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Any news about fix to shield stacking sorcs?
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This is happening already?Make shielded players take status effects.
With shields, you eat every single snare, stun and root aimed at you. Every DoT applied. Every Major Breech, poison, resource-refilling heavy attack, enchantment, and so on.
Crits are no status effect. And if you want shields to be crittable, I want them to be able to crit for 50% more strength and have armor values applied to them.
I said I don't want them critted. Would take too much damage.
Shields can't take status effects like burning, poisoned, concussed etc. Things that have a chance to proc based on damage types.
I don't think they really want to be able to crit Sorc shields. It would mean Sorc shields would be able to crit and then you'll have even larger shields.
Besides, who Stacie crit in PvP. Maybe only gankers since most regulars in PvP knows it's the weakest stat out there due to inpen. I laugh getting hit by a bow ganker that's stacked crit. It merely tickles.0 -
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✭This has already been "discussed" to death, just search for previous nerf sorc threads and you will find all these arguments hashed out over and over and over again...
If you can't get thru a sorc's shields then you don't deserve to light their squishy, 9k resistance [snip] up. Magsorc vs magDK a very boring fight with little chance of death on either side if both played well... L2P issue. You have to work for the kill and so do they. But it is well within the realm of possibility for both of you to get the kill. Back in 1.6 shields were OP, before they got nerfed by 55%, before they lost 14 sec of duration (almost 75% of duration)
You're a Flawless Conqueror and Prefect and you have serious trouble with shields? How much did you buy that account for? I'm not even gonna respond on here anymore so don't bother "refuting" anything I said. You are wrong and need to L2 [snip] play. I went there because you saw the need to create an unironic nerf sorc thread.
[Edited to remove profanity-masking]Edited by ZOS_KatP on November 9, 2017 5:16PMPC NA
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Chilly-McFreeze✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »And by the one that says that maximum magica doesn't benefit mag sorcs as spell damage... Pls bro go and study the eso mechanics
Max mag benefits all your damage AND your shields.... Only spell damage doesn't benefits you in class shields...
Remember that formula?
(Sd*10,05)+ (max mag)??
Don't try to sound like we don't know how it works...
*Facepalm...
Isn't it ironic that someone who doesn't even know that armor mitigation isn't applied to shields wants to lecture others...And to remember... Shields don't take more damage when target have it's armour broken, don't take more damage from crits... It's more defensive power than needed... And double or triple it... Now it's ridiculous...
I understand that sorcs depend on shields to survive... But the problem is the stacking of it and the low damage it receives overall...
Nothing in what he said was wrong. You backed up his point that because shields scale from mag not resists, shield stackers are effectively immune to pen.
"shields don't take more damage when target have it's amour broken"
No They are not immune to pen, they are immune to resistance.
To be immune to penetration, shields first need to have inherent resistence. But they have none. Nothing to penetrate. It's like calling 11k resistance on medium armor OP because part of 15k penetration would be useless.
Shields can't withstand more damage through armor resistance, shields always take tooltip damage, therefor they are immune to resis, but not to pen.
Or would you say "armless people are immune to handcuffs"?
Edited by Chilly-McFreeze on November 8, 2017 10:05PM5 -
Voxicity✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Problem isnt even shield stacking itself, it's how well it synergizes with macros. Press 1 button and you'll weapon swap, pop shield then swap back to main bar. Basically allowing a magicka sorc to be offensive and defensive at the same time, which is broken.3 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »
Or would you say "armless people are immune to handcuffs"?Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »And by the one that says that maximum magica doesn't benefit mag sorcs as spell damage... Pls bro go and study the eso mechanics
Max mag benefits all your damage AND your shields.... Only spell damage doesn't benefits you in class shields...
Remember that formula?
(Sd*10,05)+ (max mag)??
Don't try to sound like we don't know how it works...
*Facepalm...
Isn't it ironic that someone who doesn't even know that armor mitigation isn't applied to shields wants to lecture others...And to remember... Shields don't take more damage when target have it's armour broken, don't take more damage from crits... It's more defensive power than needed... And double or triple it... Now it's ridiculous...
I understand that sorcs depend on shields to survive... But the problem is the stacking of it and the low damage it receives overall...
Nothing in what he said was wrong. You backed up his point that because shields scale from mag not resists, shield stackers are effectively immune to pen.
Lmfao!
Edited by Waffennacht on November 8, 2017 10:17PM0 -
ak_pvp✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »And by the one that says that maximum magica doesn't benefit mag sorcs as spell damage... Pls bro go and study the eso mechanics
Max mag benefits all your damage AND your shields.... Only spell damage doesn't benefits you in class shields...
Remember that formula?
(Sd*10,05)+ (max mag)??
Don't try to sound like we don't know how it works...
*Facepalm...
Isn't it ironic that someone who doesn't even know that armor mitigation isn't applied to shields wants to lecture others...And to remember... Shields don't take more damage when target have it's armour broken, don't take more damage from crits... It's more defensive power than needed... And double or triple it... Now it's ridiculous...
I understand that sorcs depend on shields to survive... But the problem is the stacking of it and the low damage it receives overall...
Nothing in what he said was wrong. You backed up his point that because shields scale from mag not resists, shield stackers are effectively immune to pen.
"shields don't take more damage when target have it's amour broken"
No They are not immune to pen, they are immune to resistance.
To be immune to penetration, shields first need to have inherent resistence. But they have none. Nothing to penetrate. It's like calling 11k resistance on medium armor OP because part of 15k penetration would be useless.
Shields can't withstand more damage through armor resistance, shields always take tooltip damage, therefor they are immune to resis, but not to pen.
Or would you say "armless people are immune to handcuffs"?
Yes. That is exactly what I would say. Except in the case of shields, they would have it replaced with handcuff immune roboarms. Shields scaling of mag, nothing to reduce a targets mag is there, even the CP passive is trash if you don't build for pure damage which a stackera can get its defense from.
Anyone saying shieldbreaker makes me lul. OK here run a set specifically to counter shield users but be potato vs anyone else. No mag equivalent either. (Knight Slayer?) Lmao 2k damage with fhas.Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »And by the one that says that maximum magica doesn't benefit mag sorcs as spell damage... Pls bro go and study the eso mechanics
Max mag benefits all your damage AND your shields.... Only spell damage doesn't benefits you in class shields...
Remember that formula?
(Sd*10,05)+ (max mag)??
Don't try to sound like we don't know how it works...
*Facepalm...
Isn't it ironic that someone who doesn't even know that armor mitigation isn't applied to shields wants to lecture others...And to remember... Shields don't take more damage when target have it's armour broken, don't take more damage from crits... It's more defensive power than needed... And double or triple it... Now it's ridiculous...
I understand that sorcs depend on shields to survive... But the problem is the stacking of it and the low damage it receives overall...
What is wrong in what I said?
Sorcs doesn't have downsides when debuffed, shields don't take more or less damage based on resistances, that's the problems, because even using light armour, they make crit builds and penetration builds worthless, even when they have the most penetration against all non shielded oponents, by having light armour passives and staff and set passives...
And let us think a little more...
So... To have more defenses, sustain and damage what they need?
ONLY MAX MAGICA
I don't see permablockers having sustain by stacking max health, or more damage...
Neither mag NBS or Stam/mag dks...
Keep being cheese baby...
I know you like it, like wrobel...
Save your stupid attempts to insult and brighten up.
Shields don't take resistance into account. You don't have to debuff them. This is not a disadvantage for you. Get that into your head.
You save CP, set boni, munuds stunes on penetration or skill slots, resources and GCDs on applying debuffs. Simply because it is not necessary.
You can twist and turn how you like it. But instead of "crit and pen" you simply can invest all in max resources and raw spell/wpn dmg and still be effective against shields. Hell, there are even sets and enchants that ignore shields entirely.
Psh, you save the need to bash on soul assault. You save the need to roll on bird spam. Just not needed l2p noob. /s
I covered a few points above but eh.
Shieldbreaker is trash both sides. Oblivion is trash in general now.
There is no way to debuff shields. Defile, fracture etc. As I said, the Cp tree benefits shield users more. Want it to be fair? Make it like siphoner and reduce shields for x sec.
Raw damage as a counter. Sorry we can't all get damage and survivability from the same stats. (I know only mag, but still a main stat, no such thing for templars/dks.
Holy ***, the twisting is bad as "this would be a buff if." stop being so ignorant and admit that shields have an issue. Not even a sorc issue, they inadvertently nerfed burst usage with the cfrags nerf, bringing them in line.Edited by ak_pvp on November 8, 2017 10:30PMMagDK main. PC/EU @AK-ESO
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Cronopoly✭✭✭✭✭it's becamibg ridiculous.... Nerfing frags wasn't the solution... Fix the shields... Make them critable... Affected by mending or whatever you guys think of...
But fix it, it's breaking the game...
@ZOS_Wrobel
Serious question... Is this in response to them not letting near unkillable 5/2 Heavy Armor wearers use an Armor skill unless youhave 5 pieces? I know many using Heavy were using the Light Armor skills...
With the timing it sounds like a direct response to YOU losing your free Shield, so figured I'd ask.
Misery loves company and all...
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Never seen a non healthplar run shields on a ha build.it's becamibg ridiculous.... Nerfing frags wasn't the solution... Fix the shields... Make them critable... Affected by mending or whatever you guys think of...
But fix it, it's breaking the game...
@ZOS_Wrobel
Serious question... Is this in response to them not letting near unkillable 5/2 Heavy Armor wearers use an Armor skill unless youhave 5 pieces? I know many using Heavy were using the Light Armor skills...
With the timing it sounds like a direct response to YOU losing your free Shield, so figured I'd ask.
Misery loves company and all...
Peoples problem with shields have been l going for years. Shields still OP just have less time. ZOS showed feedback. Perfect time.MagDK main. PC/EU @AK-ESO
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Vesper_BR✭✭✭it's becamibg ridiculous.... Nerfing frags wasn't the solution... Fix the shields... Make them critable... Affected by mending or whatever you guys think of...
But fix it, it's breaking the game...
@ZOS_Wrobel
Serious question... Is this in response to them not letting near unkillable 5/2 Heavy Armor wearers use an Armor skill unless youhave 5 pieces? I know many using Heavy were using the Light Armor skills...
With the timing it sounds like a direct response to YOU losing your free Shield, so figured I'd ask.
Misery loves company and all...
Have you watched my videos? I don't use la shields on dks...
And more, I'm actually playing Stam now.
Stop being personal and keep the good arguments like some of the guys above.VESPER BR - MAGICKA DRAGONKNIGHT - GRAND OVERLORD + FLAWLESS CONQUEROR (1070 CP / 01-01-2018)
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Chilly-McFreeze✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »And by the one that says that maximum magica doesn't benefit mag sorcs as spell damage... Pls bro go and study the eso mechanics
Max mag benefits all your damage AND your shields.... Only spell damage doesn't benefits you in class shields...
Remember that formula?
(Sd*10,05)+ (max mag)??
Don't try to sound like we don't know how it works...
*Facepalm...
Isn't it ironic that someone who doesn't even know that armor mitigation isn't applied to shields wants to lecture others...And to remember... Shields don't take more damage when target have it's armour broken, don't take more damage from crits... It's more defensive power than needed... And double or triple it... Now it's ridiculous...
I understand that sorcs depend on shields to survive... But the problem is the stacking of it and the low damage it receives overall...
Nothing in what he said was wrong. You backed up his point that because shields scale from mag not resists, shield stackers are effectively immune to pen.
"shields don't take more damage when target have it's amour broken"
No They are not immune to pen, they are immune to resistance.
To be immune to penetration, shields first need to have inherent resistence. But they have none. Nothing to penetrate. It's like calling 11k resistance on medium armor OP because part of 15k penetration would be useless.
Shields can't withstand more damage through armor resistance, shields always take tooltip damage, therefor they are immune to resis, but not to pen.
Or would you say "armless people are immune to handcuffs"?
Yes. That is exactly what I would say. Except in the case of shields, they would have it replaced with handcuff immune roboarms. Shields scaling of mag, nothing to reduce a targets mag is there, even the CP passive is trash if you don't build for pure damage which a stackera can get its defense from.
Anyone saying shieldbreaker makes me lul. OK here run a set specifically to counter shield users but be potato vs anyone else. No mag equivalent either. (Knight Slayer?) Lmao 2k damage with fhas.Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »And by the one that says that maximum magica doesn't benefit mag sorcs as spell damage... Pls bro go and study the eso mechanics
Max mag benefits all your damage AND your shields.... Only spell damage doesn't benefits you in class shields...
Remember that formula?
(Sd*10,05)+ (max mag)??
Don't try to sound like we don't know how it works...
*Facepalm...
Isn't it ironic that someone who doesn't even know that armor mitigation isn't applied to shields wants to lecture others...And to remember... Shields don't take more damage when target have it's armour broken, don't take more damage from crits... It's more defensive power than needed... And double or triple it... Now it's ridiculous...
I understand that sorcs depend on shields to survive... But the problem is the stacking of it and the low damage it receives overall...
What is wrong in what I said?
Sorcs doesn't have downsides when debuffed, shields don't take more or less damage based on resistances, that's the problems, because even using light armour, they make crit builds and penetration builds worthless, even when they have the most penetration against all non shielded oponents, by having light armour passives and staff and set passives...
And let us think a little more...
So... To have more defenses, sustain and damage what they need?
ONLY MAX MAGICA
I don't see permablockers having sustain by stacking max health, or more damage...
Neither mag NBS or Stam/mag dks...
Keep being cheese baby...
I know you like it, like wrobel...
Save your stupid attempts to insult and brighten up.
Shields don't take resistance into account. You don't have to debuff them. This is not a disadvantage for you. Get that into your head.
You save CP, set boni, munuds stunes on penetration or skill slots, resources and GCDs on applying debuffs. Simply because it is not necessary.
You can twist and turn how you like it. But instead of "crit and pen" you simply can invest all in max resources and raw spell/wpn dmg and still be effective against shields. Hell, there are even sets and enchants that ignore shields entirely.
Psh, you save the need to bash on soul assault. You save the need to roll on bird spam. Just not needed l2p noob. /s
I covered a few points above but eh.
Shieldbreaker is trash both sides. Oblivion is trash in general now.
There is no way to debuff shields. Defile, fracture etc. As I said, the Cp tree benefits shield users more. Want it to be fair? Make it like siphoner and reduce shields for x sec.
Raw damage as a counter. Sorry we can't all get damage and survivability from the same stats. (I know only mag, but still a main stat, no such thing for templars/dks.
Holy ***, the twisting is bad as "this would be a buff if." stop being so ignorant and admit that shields have an issue. Not even a sorc issue, they inadvertently nerfed burst usage with the cfrags nerf, bringing them in line.
Nah, I'm no fan of shieldstacking, I said that before. But shields per se are not a problem.
Are you saying that there are more options that benefit shields than there are that work against them?
Okay, short rundown, leaving sets and oblivion dmg aside.
CP - 1 for bigger shields and 1 for more damage against them. Why would you put 2 specifically against them when master-at-arms, thauma, el. expert, etc. already push your damage against them (and against everyone else)? [I know about hardy, El. Def.]
Pen is useless, but so is resistence
Crit chance/dmg is useless against them, but shields don't benefit from them either
Debuffs - non avaible - but also no buffs
Leaving us with "but max magicka benefits shields strength". Yes, max stamina also benefits damage output. And weapon dmg does it as well. Plus it adds on healing. You can dip in both and do more damage against shields. But stack spell dmg and your shields stay small.
Do you think that magickal shields are a stand alone problem or do you find that they become a problem when you stack 2-3 of them? I think the issues arise with the stacking. And I also truely believe that mag sorcs would be grateful with another defense option than being forced into micromanaging shields in between burst attempts.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Must be another new PvPer. Welcome to Cyrodiil OP, initially you may think Sorcs are OP, but as you play more you will realise they have a load of weaknesses, are easy to read (telegraph) you just need to alter your approach rather than trying to batter thru a ward.
Sorcs are the easiest class to counter and to kill. It just takes effort. Once you play a bit more you will realise this.
FYI no one is shield stacking since Morrowind. Most use two wards, and two wards are available to all classes........
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Voxicity✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Must be another new PvPer. Welcome to Cyrodiil OP, initially you may think Sorcs are OP, but as you play more you will realise they have a load of weaknesses, are easy to read (telegraph) you just need to alter your approach rather than trying to batter thru a ward.
Sorcs are the easiest class to counter and to kill. It just takes effort. Once you play a bit more you will realise this.
FYI no one is shield stacking since Morrowind. Most use two wards, and two wards are available to all classes........
TLDR - L2P
Shield stacking is using more than one shield at one time, therefore using two wards would be considered shield stacking. But then again words and their meanings don't really matter to sorcs who try and justify their OP class
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Vesper_BR✭✭✭Must be another new PvPer. Welcome to Cyrodiil OP, initially you may think Sorcs are OP, but as you play more you will realise they have a load of weaknesses, are easy to read (telegraph) you just need to alter your approach rather than trying to batter thru a ward.
Sorcs are the easiest class to counter and to kill. It just takes effort. Once you play a bit more you will realise this.
FYI no one is shield stacking since Morrowind. Most use two wards, and two wards are available to all classes........
TLDR - L2P
Shield stacking is using more than one shield at one time, therefore using two wards would be considered shield stacking. But then again words and their meanings don't really matter to sorcs who try and justify their OP class
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✭✭These are old videos from HOTR and morrowind... But i think u can see that I'm not that bad, as I think you are trying to expose my arguments by claiming that I could be some random or newer player...
Certainly not, since now I've watched your videos! But what I want to know is an example of the ridiculous shield stacking of what you describe. You managed to kill every opponent in the end. In the second video for example at 5:10 you were fighting a templar and a sorc for a very long time (by focusing first on the templar), but I can not see what the issue with the sorc shield there. Then at around 9:40 there was another fight 1vs1 against a sorc. Again I can not see the problem with the sorc shield either.
Just skip to the last few minutes of each of these videos. Yeah I'm not a top tier player but neither are the guys I'm fighting so it's hardly a L2P issue we have here. I'm seriously considering Shieldbreaker even tho I despise that set when I'm on my Sorc.
https://youtu.be/LXro7B6B67M
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Vesper_BR✭✭✭He stand there like a tank just spaming shield...
I doubt his mag even gets closer to half while doing it... As when you keep defensive you had to use all your magicka and if opened your guard for a sec would be dead...
Irônic mode on: it's a l2p for sure....
Edited by Vesper_BR on November 8, 2017 11:17PMVESPER BR - MAGICKA DRAGONKNIGHT - GRAND OVERLORD + FLAWLESS CONQUEROR (1070 CP / 01-01-2018)
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SirMewser✭✭✭✭✭WillhelmBlack wrote: »These are old videos from HOTR and morrowind... But i think u can see that I'm not that bad, as I think you are trying to expose my arguments by claiming that I could be some random or newer player...
Certainly not, since now I've watched your videos! But what I want to know is an example of the ridiculous shield stacking of what you describe. You managed to kill every opponent in the end. In the second video for example at 5:10 you were fighting a templar and a sorc for a very long time (by focusing first on the templar), but I can not see what the issue with the sorc shield there. Then at around 9:40 there was another fight 1vs1 against a sorc. Again I can not see the problem with the sorc shield either.
Just skip to the last few minutes of each of these videos. Yeah I'm not a top tier player but neither are the guys I'm fighting so it's hardly a L2P issue we have here. I'm seriously considering Shieldbreaker even tho I despise that set when I'm on my Sorc.https://youtu.be/LXro7B6B67Mhttps://youtu.be/-AoO8xnuuT8
Video 1: At the end he just stood there conserving mana while you burned yours, that isn't a shield issue that is you falling for a trap (as per usual ).
You didn't even push when NPCs were on him, you just stood behind a pillar and then went full blown magic dry.
After seeing that I refused to look at video 2, just stop blaming others, you got tricked okay we get it and now you're upset! Edited by SirMewser on November 8, 2017 11:41PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭WillhelmBlack wrote: »These are old videos from HOTR and morrowind... But i think u can see that I'm not that bad, as I think you are trying to expose my arguments by claiming that I could be some random or newer player...
Certainly not, since now I've watched your videos! But what I want to know is an example of the ridiculous shield stacking of what you describe. You managed to kill every opponent in the end. In the second video for example at 5:10 you were fighting a templar and a sorc for a very long time (by focusing first on the templar), but I can not see what the issue with the sorc shield there. Then at around 9:40 there was another fight 1vs1 against a sorc. Again I can not see the problem with the sorc shield either.
Just skip to the last few minutes of each of these videos. Yeah I'm not a top tier player but neither are the guys I'm fighting so it's hardly a L2P issue we have here. I'm seriously considering Shieldbreaker even tho I despise that set when I'm on my Sorc.https://youtu.be/LXro7B6B67Mhttps://youtu.be/-AoO8xnuuT8
Video 1: At the end he just stood there conserving mana while you burned yours, that isn't a shield issue that is you falling for a trap (as per usual ).
You didn't even push when NPCs were on him, you just stood behind a pillar and then went full blown magic dry.
After seeing that I refused to look at video 2, just stop blaming others, you got tricked okay we get it and now you're upset!
I saw no coordinated burst directly following cc attempts in neither videos. I also saw a permablocking build in the first video and a bleed stamplar in the second video.
But yea, neither showed an attempt at hitting right when the shield duration would be zero.Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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SirMewser✭✭✭✭✭WillhelmBlack wrote: »These are old videos from HOTR and morrowind... But i think u can see that I'm not that bad, as I think you are trying to expose my arguments by claiming that I could be some random or newer player...
Certainly not, since now I've watched your videos! But what I want to know is an example of the ridiculous shield stacking of what you describe. You managed to kill every opponent in the end. In the second video for example at 5:10 you were fighting a templar and a sorc for a very long time (by focusing first on the templar), but I can not see what the issue with the sorc shield there. Then at around 9:40 there was another fight 1vs1 against a sorc. Again I can not see the problem with the sorc shield either.
Just skip to the last few minutes of each of these videos. Yeah I'm not a top tier player but neither are the guys I'm fighting so it's hardly a L2P issue we have here. I'm seriously considering Shieldbreaker even tho I despise that set when I'm on my Sorc.https://youtu.be/LXro7B6B67Mhttps://youtu.be/-AoO8xnuuT8
Video 1: At the end he just stood there conserving mana while you burned yours, that isn't a shield issue that is you falling for a trap (as per usual ).
You didn't even push when NPCs were on him, you just stood behind a pillar and then went full blown magic dry.
After seeing that I refused to look at video 2, just stop blaming others, you got tricked okay we get it and now you're upset!
I saw no coordinated burst directly following cc attempts in neither videos. I also saw a permablocking build in the first video and a bleed stamplar in the second video.
But yea, neither showed an attempt at hitting right when the shield duration would be zero.
Okay so I did watch his second video just now... Seeing him give up at end, guy could hardly do damage. Yet if his logic to argue nerfing wards is because he couldn't kill someone who couldn't kill him, same thing can be said about NBs cloaking away or any other build.
He needs to learn to adapt and strategize a burst as you mentioned.
I'm all for different ways to counter shields like offering more sources of Oblivion damage, but it's not as far imbalanced of a mechanic as some are making it out to be.Edited by SirMewser on November 9, 2017 1:01AM0 -
Ender1310✭✭✭✭It's the synergy. Allowing you to stack one resource letting that resource be used for your mobility your defense and your offense. To easy. Other classes have to choose. You make specs choose and loose a bit more of the burst and I players would call it fair. That's not the case. It's e z mode. You wanna reference other posts reference easiest class to play polls. Sure reference the hundred other nerf sorc posts if every one is saying it.... it's a thing. It's easiest class to play and build.2 -
WillhelmBlack✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭WillhelmBlack wrote: »These are old videos from HOTR and morrowind... But i think u can see that I'm not that bad, as I think you are trying to expose my arguments by claiming that I could be some random or newer player...
Certainly not, since now I've watched your videos! But what I want to know is an example of the ridiculous shield stacking of what you describe. You managed to kill every opponent in the end. In the second video for example at 5:10 you were fighting a templar and a sorc for a very long time (by focusing first on the templar), but I can not see what the issue with the sorc shield there. Then at around 9:40 there was another fight 1vs1 against a sorc. Again I can not see the problem with the sorc shield either.
Just skip to the last few minutes of each of these videos. Yeah I'm not a top tier player but neither are the guys I'm fighting so it's hardly a L2P issue we have here. I'm seriously considering Shieldbreaker even tho I despise that set when I'm on my Sorc.https://youtu.be/LXro7B6B67Mhttps://youtu.be/-AoO8xnuuT8
Video 1: At the end he just stood there conserving mana while you burned yours, that isn't a shield issue that is you falling for a trap (as per usual ).
You didn't even push when NPCs were on him, you just stood behind a pillar and then went full blown magic dry.
After seeing that I refused to look at video 2, just stop blaming others, you got tricked okay we get it and now you're upset!
Lol
All I get from most responses is you don't have enough timed burst. Yeah np on my stamblade, what about every single other class and variation? To be fair Sorcs aren't too much a problem on my Magblade or Mag Sorc.Edited by WillhelmBlack on November 9, 2017 8:20AMPC EU0 -
Ankael07✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭A lot of things people suggest here will also affect sorcerers who use a single shield. Such as a status effect to debuff shields, making shields crittable or receive increased damage etc etc.
If there are any developers lurking here please do not make another blanket nerf like you did with shield durations. People need to be encouraged to playing a certain way NOT forced into it.If you want me to reply to your comment type @Ankael07 in it.1 -
WillhelmBlack✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭A lot of things people suggest here will also affect sorcerers who use a single shield. Such as a status effect to debuff shields, making shields crittable or receive increased damage etc etc.
If there are any developers lurking here please do not make another blanket nerf like you did with shield durations. People need to be encouraged to playing a certain way NOT forced into it.A lot of things people suggest here will also affect sorcerers who use a single shield. Such as a status effect to debuff shields, making shields crittable or receive increased damage etc etc.
If there are any developers lurking here please do not make another blanket nerf like you did with shield durations. People need to be encouraged to playing a certain way NOT forced into it.
There are some silly suggestions, the shield duration nerf was silly especially for a class ability. What's broken about it is the way they can be stacked. Healing Ward (considering its strength when cast at low health) and Conjured Ward should be Major Wards and Annulment should be a Minor Ward. I would like to see that tested out.PC EU0 -
Emma_Overload✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭And by the one that says that maximum magica doesn't benefit mag sorcs as spell damage... Pls bro go and study the eso mechanics
Max mag benefits all your damage AND your shields.... Only spell damage doesn't benefits you in class shields...
Remember that formula?
(Sd*10,05)+ (max mag)??
Don't try to sound like we don't know how it works...
*Facepalm...
The formula is correct, but your conclusion is wrong. Builds that are able to stack spell damage instead of max magicka do more damage overall. This is because of spell damage multipliers like Major Sorcery. If I was willing to live with 37K magicka and smaller shields, I could have MUCH higher damage tooltips by stacking spell damage up past 4000 or whatever.#CAREBEARMASTERRACE3 -
Chilly-McFreeze✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭WillhelmBlack wrote: »A lot of things people suggest here will also affect sorcerers who use a single shield. Such as a status effect to debuff shields, making shields crittable or receive increased damage etc etc.
If there are any developers lurking here please do not make another blanket nerf like you did with shield durations. People need to be encouraged to playing a certain way NOT forced into it.A lot of things people suggest here will also affect sorcerers who use a single shield. Such as a status effect to debuff shields, making shields crittable or receive increased damage etc etc.
If there are any developers lurking here please do not make another blanket nerf like you did with shield durations. People need to be encouraged to playing a certain way NOT forced into it.
There are some silly suggestions, the shield duration nerf was silly especially for a class ability. What's broken about it is the way they can be stacked. Healing Ward (considering its strength when cast at low health) and Conjured Ward should be Major Wards and Annulment should be a Minor Ward. I would like to see that tested out.
I'd rather see Hardened and Annulment not stack than that Resto ward. Also mind that Resto Wards can be much smaller than hardened Ward.
Also what's about those shields you get from other sources?
Glyphs, Brawler, Bone Shield, Leap, Hardened Armor, Magma Shell, Obsidian Shield, etc?
And how would it affect me when I use hardened ward and someone else puts the resto shield on me? Would it erase my hardened ward?
Could people use this to troll others?
Could I use this for instant healing when I cast Resto first and Hardened right after?
There's more to it than just a minor/ major system.Edited by Chilly-McFreeze on November 9, 2017 9:20AM1 -
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✭✭WillhelmBlack wrote: »These are old videos from HOTR and morrowind... But i think u can see that I'm not that bad, as I think you are trying to expose my arguments by claiming that I could be some random or newer player...
Certainly not, since now I've watched your videos! But what I want to know is an example of the ridiculous shield stacking of what you describe. You managed to kill every opponent in the end. In the second video for example at 5:10 you were fighting a templar and a sorc for a very long time (by focusing first on the templar), but I can not see what the issue with the sorc shield there. Then at around 9:40 there was another fight 1vs1 against a sorc. Again I can not see the problem with the sorc shield either.
Just skip to the last few minutes of each of these videos. Yeah I'm not a top tier player but neither are the guys I'm fighting so it's hardly a L2P issue we have here. I'm seriously considering Shieldbreaker even tho I despise that set when I'm on my Sorc.https://youtu.be/LXro7B6B67Mhttps://youtu.be/-AoO8xnuuT8
Not even sure what u tried to prove in these videos. In the first video you show a DK tanking the dmg of a sorc and a NB. You cant kill a sorc by he cant kill you either. What exactly is the issue. And when he does a mistake you literally 2 shot him from full health. In the second video u 1v2 two sorcs. You kill the first and not killing the second is entirely ur fault. He clearly cant handle ur dmg. You were not keeping POTL and the pressure up and messing up ur ults. Both sorcs run out of mag and go on dark conversion spam. You didnt bash them. And they didnt do dmg to you at all.
So to wrap it up. You posted 2 videos of you 1v2 sorcs that cant dmg you but u kill them and u are still complaining because they are not free AP.5 -
pieratsos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭He stand there like a tank just spaming shield...
I doubt his mag even gets closer to half while doing it... As when you keep defensive you had to use all your magicka and if opened your guard for a sec would be dead...
Irônic mode on: it's a l2p for sure....
Still waiting to see in the videos those sorcs that tank 10 people, then escape whenever the hell they want, wreck everyone with their burst and never run out of magicka. I mean this is what you said right?3 -
Biro123✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭It's the synergy. Allowing you to stack one resource letting that resource be used for your mobility your defense and your offense. To easy. Other classes have to choose. You make specs choose and loose a bit more of the burst and I players would call it fair. That's not the case. It's e z mode. You wanna reference other posts reference easiest class to play polls. Sure reference the hundred other nerf sorc posts if every one is saying it.... it's a thing. It's easiest class to play and build.
People keep mentioning this 'single resource'.
Its not really a benefit, you know. Let's take a small comparison between this aspect of hardened and cloak. For hardened to be effective, you must stack Max magica and recov. For cloak to be effective, you only need recov.
I know which I prefer. Because of this my magblade can use sets like war maiden to get a much higher damage potential than my magica-stacking sorc.
Imagine if cloak was dependent on Max mag.. Say, if it lasted 1 second per 15k mag. How limiting would that be on magblade builds?
Or purge? What if purge only removed one debuff per 10k Max mag? Or of block% depended on your Max stam?
Still view this as a benefit?
Also, people also say this as if heals don't scale with the same stats as your offence.
And they say this as if stacking mag and ignoring all else is the most effective defence for magsorc. Well, it isn't. Like all classes a layered defence is most effective.
Minalan owes me a beer.
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GrigorijMalahevich✭✭✭✭✭#nerfsorc
No idea why anyone is bothering with magsorc anymore... People forget that wards were immune to DoT's once and lasted 20 seconds and still magsorc was dominated by stamdk.
Now @Vesper_BR is saying that his magdk has no problem in killing magsorcs, but he is sorry for other classes... WHAT? Yeah, let's nerf sorcs once more.
I don't know how competitive Xbox NA is (judging by video - not very), but this should stop.
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PvP MagSorc.Pedro Gonzales - Mag Sorc EP vMA Flawless Conqueror clear http://imgur.com/a/CB6j6
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Biro123✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Its been my observation that most nerf-sorc threads come from console players.
They just eat a lot more frags, I guess. /cough miats /cough. And so still see sorcs as having a cannon, and therefore argue that they should be made of glass.
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