So Miat's PVP addon can detect stealth players even when they are in stealth state?

oMrRust · October 2017

everyone saying 'it was discontinued"

well in my opinion, it wasn't.

whenever im in stealth, I shoot a snipe while someone on mount mind pasing by to a kep. I shoot and they instant unmount and roll dodge. or they instant block.
I kep testing this on multiple people and it seems like it is still doing what people say was discontinued

Enslaved · October 2017

oMrRust wrote: »

everyone saying 'it was discontinued"

well in my opinion, it wasn't.

whenever im in stealth, I shoot a snipe while someone on mount mind pasing by to a kep. I shoot and they instant unmount and roll dodge. or they instant block.
I kep testing this on multiple people and it seems like it is still doing what people say was discontinued

You should test it on an attack that has no audio alert on target, since snipe does have that. But I agree. Too many ppl instan roll/block whenever you try to hit them from stealth. Bs cheat addon is cheat.

oMrRust · October 2017

Enslaved wrote: »

oMrRust wrote: »

everyone saying 'it was discontinued"

well in my opinion, it wasn't.

whenever im in stealth, I shoot a snipe while someone on mount mind pasing by to a kep. I shoot and they instant unmount and roll dodge. or they instant block.
I kep testing this on multiple people and it seems like it is still doing what people say was discontinued

You should test it on an attack that has no audio alert on target, since snipe does have that. But I agree. Too many ppl instan roll/block whenever you try to hit them from stealth. Bs cheat addon is cheat.

actually, I tested without audio.
I also used heavy attack while at a distance, they roll dodge or instant stealth or block

Jade1986 · October 2017

Aisle9 wrote: »

cyx54tc wrote: »

Just did some testing with my friend, and it seems like that addon is able to detect player even if they never get out of stealth state.

Scenario tested: I am in stealth state and I use snipe. The moment I channel the spell my friend receives a warning about me sniping him. Even if I cancel the skill immediately after cast with block, which allows me to stay in stealth and not reveal myseal. The addon is able to detect it.

Same thing with Ambush. The moment I used ambush the addon detects it, even if I canceled it and stayed in stealth.

Some ppl have been saying that we have over estimated what the addon can do, but able to detect players directed spell even if they never get out of stealth state looks broken to me.

Wait, wasn't that feature discontinued ? How is this *** still happening ?

Well that explains why I am getting zeroed in on from forever away. And ZoS STILL ALLOWS THIS GIBBERISH!?

oMrRust · October 2017

laced wrote: »

Aisle9 wrote: »

cyx54tc wrote: »

Just did some testing with my friend, and it seems like that addon is able to detect player even if they never get out of stealth state.

Scenario tested: I am in stealth state and I use snipe. The moment I channel the spell my friend receives a warning about me sniping him. Even if I cancel the skill immediately after cast with block, which allows me to stay in stealth and not reveal myseal. The addon is able to detect it.

Same thing with Ambush. The moment I used ambush the addon detects it, even if I canceled it and stayed in stealth.

Some ppl have been saying that we have over estimated what the addon can do, but able to detect players directed spell even if they never get out of stealth state looks broken to me.

Wait, wasn't that feature discontinued ? How is this *** still happening ?

Well that explains why I am getting zeroed in on from forever away. And ZoS STILL ALLOWS THIS GIBBERISH!?

which is why I wish there was a way people can make an adon that counters a certain addon.
you know Lot drop addon? how people can see what you get in loot? that annoys me cause I don't say a thing about it and they go and say "Can i have it?!?!" and I wish I could jus have something that blocks what they see what I get for a drop.
It'd be nice to have an addon that can counter Miats.

xblackroxe · October 2017

oMrRust wrote: »

Enslaved wrote: »

oMrRust wrote: »

everyone saying 'it was discontinued"

well in my opinion, it wasn't.

whenever im in stealth, I shoot a snipe while someone on mount mind pasing by to a kep. I shoot and they instant unmount and roll dodge. or they instant block.
I kep testing this on multiple people and it seems like it is still doing what people say was discontinued

You should test it on an attack that has no audio alert on target, since snipe does have that. But I agree. Too many ppl instan roll/block whenever you try to hit them from stealth. Bs cheat addon is cheat.

actually, I tested without audio.
I also used heavy attack while at a distance, they roll dodge or instant stealth or block

How did you test this without audio. How do you mute the audio cue of snipe on another players pc?

Gargath · October 2017

Seems similar to mechanics of the pve autododge on certain mobs in TG heists or DB sacraments, when using Ambush from stealth and behind they always notice that and dodge at place (not even rolling). The same lvl of annoyance as with the pvp bug.

KingMagaw · October 2017

Miats was made to combat gankers. Was a 'private addon' for a while until it was released to the public, then massive complaints then ZoS limited it.

What do you think happens to the next addon that is/was breaching the ToS, you think it will be released again to the public? That would be no.

There is a list of private addons running now, that you will never hear about. I have been advocating certain addons be looked at that simulate game play, which is clearly wrong.

Auto-Cleanse addon - Simulates play, as in, when under a healing ritual synergise if option available.

I wont speak anymore on these dodgy subjects as ZoS almost certainly will ban me from forums again. If you ever thought PvP was competitive you are conning yourself. ZoS also dont want to look into addons as that would discourage people making them and they would have to invest time/money into doing this themselves.

Imagine the horror if add-ons stopped being updated now.

Jade1986 · October 2017

oMrRust wrote: »

laced wrote: »

Aisle9 wrote: »

cyx54tc wrote: »

Just did some testing with my friend, and it seems like that addon is able to detect player even if they never get out of stealth state.

Scenario tested: I am in stealth state and I use snipe. The moment I channel the spell my friend receives a warning about me sniping him. Even if I cancel the skill immediately after cast with block, which allows me to stay in stealth and not reveal myseal. The addon is able to detect it.

Same thing with Ambush. The moment I used ambush the addon detects it, even if I canceled it and stayed in stealth.

Some ppl have been saying that we have over estimated what the addon can do, but able to detect players directed spell even if they never get out of stealth state looks broken to me.

Wait, wasn't that feature discontinued ? How is this *** still happening ?

Well that explains why I am getting zeroed in on from forever away. And ZoS STILL ALLOWS THIS GIBBERISH!?

which is why I wish there was a way people can make an adon that counters a certain addon.
you know Lot drop addon? how people can see what you get in loot? that annoys me cause I don't say a thing about it and they go and say "Can i have it?!?!" and I wish I could jus have something that blocks what they see what I get for a drop.
It'd be nice to have an addon that can counter Miats.

That would be amazing. It would save my archers life. I am so disappointed in ZoS fo allowing this add on to continue, it destroys ranged classes / specs completely.

Jade1986 · October 2017

KingMagaw wrote: »

Miats was made to combat gankers. Was a 'private addon' for a while until it was released to the public, then massive complaints then ZoS limited it.

What do you think happens to the next addon that is/was breaching the ToS, you think it will be released again to the public? That would be no.

There is a list of private addons running now, that you will never hear about. I have been advocating certain addons be looked at that simulate game play, which is clearly wrong.

Auto-Cleanse addon - Simulates play, as in, when under a healing ritual synergise if option available.

I wont speak anymore on these dodgy subjects as ZoS almost certainly will ban me from forums again. If you ever thought PvP was competitive you are conning yourself. ZoS also dont want to look into addons as that would discourage people making them and they would have to invest time/money into doing this themselves.

Imagine the horror if add-ons stopped being updated now.

Ganking is an ACTUAL playstyle, if youn run around cyro alone that is something you should have to worry about, seriously, just have certain abilities slotted while solo running through cyro and you would be fine. Miats is cheat mode pure and simple, the majority of people hate it, and want it gone, but what does ZoS do? they listen to the tiny minority that want it to stay and dont bother banning add ons like that. It does not just destroy ganking, it destroys any build that relies on charge up ranged abiliites. Templar? Archers ? Sorcs ? All have lost a ton of ranged viability because of this damned add on. It speaks volumes about ZoS that they allow this to continue.

Mayrael · October 2017

1. This addon afects not only gankers but sorcs to (frags these days are 80% rolled).
2. Calling this addon garbage is dumb. Its very well written code and a piece of amazing job - dude knows what hes doing.
3. Does it affect PvP? Yes. But the best things about it are 3d icons not those notifications.
4. What I see in this discussion is sober addon creator trying to explain things as they realy are and mostly mad crowd shouting "Youre heretic! Burn him! Burn him".
5. I think that not the addon but API methods allowing to get info about inc attacks should became private, it would stop any addons trying to get that info as there can be many other addons like that.
6. ZOS needs to realy improve their basic UI. While on PCs we have addons, consoles have nothing. Things like poor guild store search, mails not comming without relog, poor skill and stats windows, poor equipment managment and many many more. If things like that wouldnt require addons there wouldnt be need of existance of addons like that.

Jade1986 · October 2017

Mayrael wrote: »

1. This addon afects not only gankers but sorcs to (frags these days are 80% rolled).
2. Calling this addon garbage is dumb. Its very well written code and a piece of amazing job - dude knows what hes doing.
3. Does it affect PvP? Yes. But the best things about it are 3d icons not those notifications.
4. What I see in this discussion is sober addon creator trying to explain things as they realy are and mostly mad crowd shouting "Youre heretic! Burn him! Burn him".
5. I think that not the addon but API methods allowing to get info about inc attacks should became private, it would stop any addons trying to get that info as there can be many other addons like that.
6. ZOS needs to realy improve their basic UI. While on PCs we have addons, consoles have nothing. Things like poor guild store search, mails not comming without relog, poor skill and stats windows, poor equipment managment and many many more. If things like that wouldnt require addons there wouldnt be need of existance of addons like that.

If they did that, no one would hae a problem with the add on, as it stands now, it turns pvp into a " play melee or die " type of situation. Sure you can catch people off guard when they are being swarmed as an archer, but other than that, youre pretty much useless.

oMrRust · October 2017

xblackroxe wrote: »

oMrRust wrote: »

Enslaved wrote: »

oMrRust wrote: »

everyone saying 'it was discontinued"

well in my opinion, it wasn't.

whenever im in stealth, I shoot a snipe while someone on mount mind pasing by to a kep. I shoot and they instant unmount and roll dodge. or they instant block.
I kep testing this on multiple people and it seems like it is still doing what people say was discontinued

You should test it on an attack that has no audio alert on target, since snipe does have that. But I agree. Too many ppl instan roll/block whenever you try to hit them from stealth. Bs cheat addon is cheat.

actually, I tested without audio.
I also used heavy attack while at a distance, they roll dodge or instant stealth or block

How did you test this without audio. How do you mute the audio cue of snipe on another players pc?

Without the audio, being in stealth. Heavy attack with a sword or whatever. It pops up on their screen but they don't hear a noise like the sound snipe makes.

KingMagaw · October 2017

laced wrote: »

KingMagaw wrote: »

Miats was made to combat gankers. Was a 'private addon' for a while until it was released to the public, then massive complaints then ZoS limited it.

What do you think happens to the next addon that is/was breaching the ToS, you think it will be released again to the public? That would be no.

There is a list of private addons running now, that you will never hear about. I have been advocating certain addons be looked at that simulate game play, which is clearly wrong.

Auto-Cleanse addon - Simulates play, as in, when under a healing ritual synergise if option available.

I wont speak anymore on these dodgy subjects as ZoS almost certainly will ban me from forums again. If you ever thought PvP was competitive you are conning yourself. ZoS also dont want to look into addons as that would discourage people making them and they would have to invest time/money into doing this themselves.

Imagine the horror if add-ons stopped being updated now.

Ganking is an ACTUAL playstyle, if youn run around cyro alone that is something you should have to worry about, seriously, just have certain abilities slotted while solo running through cyro and you would be fine. Miats is cheat mode pure and simple, the majority of people hate it, and want it gone, but what does ZoS do? they listen to the tiny minority that want it to stay and dont bother banning add ons like that. It does not just destroy ganking, it destroys any build that relies on charge up ranged abiliites. Templar? Archers ? Sorcs ? All have lost a ton of ranged viability because of this damned add on. It speaks volumes about ZoS that they allow this to continue.

Of course - I have always advocated that this addon and many more that the majority of the population doesn't know about yet.

There is addons that automate game play. The simple fact is you can have detection of 'encounters' and automate certain responses like Auto-Cleanse addon. Personally i believe anything that automates a response should be taken away, as it is no longer player input.

ZoS wont touch addons as it will discourage the community making them and they would have to invest time/effort - That is the sole reason ZoS didn't go down this route already. That is why authors don't release them out to the sheep - as per Miatts example as it was toned down, albeit minimally but would have been working in its full state, and was, for a long time.

Beware posting like this - I have been suspended multiple times and was banned from forums for advocating a cheat and exploit free gaming experience. As much as i still advocate this, over years, this feedback is going nowhere.

InvitationNotFound · October 2017

the amount of miat's pvp alert threads is way too high >_<

Jade1986 · October 2017

KingMagaw wrote: »

laced wrote: »

KingMagaw wrote: »

Miats was made to combat gankers. Was a 'private addon' for a while until it was released to the public, then massive complaints then ZoS limited it.

What do you think happens to the next addon that is/was breaching the ToS, you think it will be released again to the public? That would be no.

There is a list of private addons running now, that you will never hear about. I have been advocating certain addons be looked at that simulate game play, which is clearly wrong.

Auto-Cleanse addon - Simulates play, as in, when under a healing ritual synergise if option available.

I wont speak anymore on these dodgy subjects as ZoS almost certainly will ban me from forums again. If you ever thought PvP was competitive you are conning yourself. ZoS also dont want to look into addons as that would discourage people making them and they would have to invest time/money into doing this themselves.

Imagine the horror if add-ons stopped being updated now.

Ganking is an ACTUAL playstyle, if youn run around cyro alone that is something you should have to worry about, seriously, just have certain abilities slotted while solo running through cyro and you would be fine. Miats is cheat mode pure and simple, the majority of people hate it, and want it gone, but what does ZoS do? they listen to the tiny minority that want it to stay and dont bother banning add ons like that. It does not just destroy ganking, it destroys any build that relies on charge up ranged abiliites. Templar? Archers ? Sorcs ? All have lost a ton of ranged viability because of this damned add on. It speaks volumes about ZoS that they allow this to continue.

Of course - I have always advocated that this addon and many more that the majority of the population doesn't know about yet.

There is addons that automate game play. The simple fact is you can have detection of 'encounters' and automate certain responses like Auto-Cleanse addon. Personally i believe anything that automates a response should be taken away, as it is no longer player input.

ZoS wont touch addons as it will discourage the community making them and they would have to invest time/effort - That is the sole reason ZoS didn't go down this route already. That is why authors don't release them out to the sheep - as per Miatts example as it was toned down, albeit minimally but would have been working in its full state, and was, for a long time.

Beware posting like this - I have been suspended multiple times and was banned from forums for advocating a cheat and exploit free gaming experience. As much as i still advocate this, over years, this feedback is going nowhere.

Im not advocating the add on at all, I am as anti hand holding add on as it gets.

Jade1986 · October 2017

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

the amount of miat's pvp alert threads is way too high >_<

Actually, we need more, flood the forums imo, let zos know this is not ok by any measure.

InvitationNotFound · October 2017

laced wrote: »

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

the amount of miat's pvp alert threads is way too high >_<

Actually, we need more, flood the forums imo, let zos know this is not ok by any measure.

They are aware of it. Either it is okay for them or they don't care. As mentioned earlier, they have adjusted the API. There's no reason to believe they aren't okay with it when they already investigated it.

Keep it to one thread and you can have a "discussion" (besides i don't see what is left to discuss here). What is happening now can only be considered as spam (created by a few players).

Ace_SiN · October 2017

This part of the addon's functionality needs to not be possible. I have no clue why ZOS just sits idly by as the gameplay experience is being ruined. Sad part is it's just another thing that hurts the game for newbs. They'll try PvP and think most of their encounters are against god tier players as their attacks are perfectly dodged/blocked.

Jade1986 · October 2017

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

laced wrote: »

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

the amount of miat's pvp alert threads is way too high >_<

Actually, we need more, flood the forums imo, let zos know this is not ok by any measure.

They are aware of it. Either it is okay for them or they don't care. As mentioned earlier, they have adjusted the API. There's no reason to believe they aren't okay with it when they already investigated it.

Keep it to one thread and you can have a "discussion" (besides i don't see what is left to discuss here). What is happening now can only be considered as spam (created by a few players).

A legitimate grievance that most players hve with an addon is not spam. If you think that, you are part of the problem.

Shardan4968 · October 2017

When I hear about all those private addons breaking ToS, I'm starting to think that allowing players to create their own addons was a mistake. It's ridiculous that ZOS don't have control of what addons players are using. Ganking, no matter how you hate it is legit playstyle and it's perfect way for nightblades to be viable in Cyrodiil, while sorcs have their freaking shields. Miat's addon was made to nerf gankers, but where is addon to nerf dmg shields? And where's the addon to nerf everything which kills me and annoys me? Because I'm little *** who can't understand my own failure. Good job ZOS, make more small paid DLCs and "unique" items for crown crates, instead of fixing problem with bots and illegal addons. Who cares about ToS, when ZOS gets their money?

InvitationNotFound · October 2017

laced wrote: »

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

laced wrote: »

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

the amount of miat's pvp alert threads is way too high >_<

Actually, we need more, flood the forums imo, let zos know this is not ok by any measure.

They are aware of it. Either it is okay for them or they don't care. As mentioned earlier, they have adjusted the API. There's no reason to believe they aren't okay with it when they already investigated it.

Keep it to one thread and you can have a "discussion" (besides i don't see what is left to discuss here). What is happening now can only be considered as spam (created by a few players).

A legitimate grievance that most players hve with an addon is not spam. If you think that, you are part of the problem.

It is spam. One thread would be enough to raise your concerns. Furthermore, there has to be a problem to be part of it

technohic · October 2017

I use it but it does need to go. As if cast and channeled attacks need any more handicaps.

Jade1986 · October 2017

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

laced wrote: »

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

laced wrote: »

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

the amount of miat's pvp alert threads is way too high >_<

Actually, we need more, flood the forums imo, let zos know this is not ok by any measure.

They are aware of it. Either it is okay for them or they don't care. As mentioned earlier, they have adjusted the API. There's no reason to believe they aren't okay with it when they already investigated it.

Keep it to one thread and you can have a "discussion" (besides i don't see what is left to discuss here). What is happening now can only be considered as spam (created by a few players).

A legitimate grievance that most players hve with an addon is not spam. If you think that, you are part of the problem.

It is spam. One thread would be enough to raise your concerns. Furthermore, there has to be a problem to be part of it

Well clearly one thread was not enough to get their attention.

Jade1986 · October 2017

technohic wrote: »

I use it but it does need to go. As if cast and channeled attacks need any more handicaps.

I spent ages getting my stamden archer to top lvl and optimized her gear, only to find out this add on was a thing. You could imagine my disappointment. I ONLY bought Morrowind because I wanted to make this toon, the toon I have wanted to make since launch, and use her in pvp. Then I find out this cheat, because that is what it is really, lets be honest, is allowed in game, and is ignored by the company that profited from my purchase of the expansion. People should NOT have to research if there are add ons that negate their entire character, that is just , excuse my french, absolute ***. And the people that defend the add on are absolute cancer.

Jade1986 · October 2017

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

laced wrote: »

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

laced wrote: »

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

the amount of miat's pvp alert threads is way too high >_<

Actually, we need more, flood the forums imo, let zos know this is not ok by any measure.

They are aware of it. Either it is okay for them or they don't care. As mentioned earlier, they have adjusted the API. There's no reason to believe they aren't okay with it when they already investigated it.

Keep it to one thread and you can have a "discussion" (besides i don't see what is left to discuss here). What is happening now can only be considered as spam (created by a few players).

A legitimate grievance that most players hve with an addon is not spam. If you think that, you are part of the problem.

It is spam. One thread would be enough to raise your concerns. Furthermore, there has to be a problem to be part of it

Let me guess, you are part of the cancerous playerbase that think this add on is "cool".

InvitationNotFound · October 2017

laced wrote: »

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

laced wrote: »

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

laced wrote: »

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

the amount of miat's pvp alert threads is way too high >_<

Actually, we need more, flood the forums imo, let zos know this is not ok by any measure.

They are aware of it. Either it is okay for them or they don't care. As mentioned earlier, they have adjusted the API. There's no reason to believe they aren't okay with it when they already investigated it.

Keep it to one thread and you can have a "discussion" (besides i don't see what is left to discuss here). What is happening now can only be considered as spam (created by a few players).

A legitimate grievance that most players hve with an addon is not spam. If you think that, you are part of the problem.

It is spam. One thread would be enough to raise your concerns. Furthermore, there has to be a problem to be part of it

Let me guess, you are part of the cancerous playerbase that think this add on is "cool".

No, i simply don't care. It doesn't matter for me if you use this addon or not. besides there are a lot of cool things in this addon besides those alerts.

the issue i have is that this has been discussed several times. and as it seems zos has accepted it. i consider all those threads simply as spam now.

Jade1986 · October 2017

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

laced wrote: »

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

laced wrote: »

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

laced wrote: »

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

the amount of miat's pvp alert threads is way too high >_<

Actually, we need more, flood the forums imo, let zos know this is not ok by any measure.

They are aware of it. Either it is okay for them or they don't care. As mentioned earlier, they have adjusted the API. There's no reason to believe they aren't okay with it when they already investigated it.

Keep it to one thread and you can have a "discussion" (besides i don't see what is left to discuss here). What is happening now can only be considered as spam (created by a few players).

A legitimate grievance that most players hve with an addon is not spam. If you think that, you are part of the problem.

It is spam. One thread would be enough to raise your concerns. Furthermore, there has to be a problem to be part of it

Let me guess, you are part of the cancerous playerbase that think this add on is "cool".

No, i simply don't care. It doesn't matter for me if you use this addon or not. besides there are a lot of cool things in this addon besides those alerts.

the issue i have is that this has been discussed several times. and as it seems zos has accepted it. i consider all those threads simply as spam now.

So because something is swept under the rug, and it is inherintly wrong, it is ok?

People now a days....

STEVIL · October 2017

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

laced wrote: »

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

laced wrote: »

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

laced wrote: »

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

the amount of miat's pvp alert threads is way too high >_<

Actually, we need more, flood the forums imo, let zos know this is not ok by any measure.

They are aware of it. Either it is okay for them or they don't care. As mentioned earlier, they have adjusted the API. There's no reason to believe they aren't okay with it when they already investigated it.

Keep it to one thread and you can have a "discussion" (besides i don't see what is left to discuss here). What is happening now can only be considered as spam (created by a few players).

A legitimate grievance that most players hve with an addon is not spam. If you think that, you are part of the problem.

It is spam. One thread would be enough to raise your concerns. Furthermore, there has to be a problem to be part of it

Let me guess, you are part of the cancerous playerbase that think this add on is "cool".

No, i simply don't care. It doesn't matter for me if you use this addon or not. besides there are a lot of cool things in this addon besides those alerts.

the issue i have is that this has been discussed several times. and as it seems zos has accepted it. i consider all those threads simply as spam now.

So we should believe that your normal response to getting spam is to open it and start discussions it with the spammers?

or are we to assume that maybe the "i dont care" protestations are belied by your involvement?

Must ponder whether "vigorous proclamation of apathy" is a contradiction in terms.

Vapirko · October 2017

You really shouldn’t have/need more clues than what they game already provides. Whatever ZOS says about this addon they’re just being lazy. I’ve tried it, its unnecessary and really shouldn’t be out there.