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Next time you scream elitist.
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Hortator Indoril Nerevar✭✭✭✭✭
✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »To OP... i think it might have been better if your question would have been (after the first pull)..."Are any of you running Ele Drain?" then proceed with line of questioning from there... For all you know they might have all been running Ele Drain... but how would you know that since, you didn't even get to the first mobs?
Forget it... he doesn't want to question himself by any mean. He just wants to be the victim here.
Please tell me more Dr. You seem to know every detail about me.
So far you have said I:
1) Cant socialise
2) Play the victim
3) Think I am superior
4) Rude
5) Ungrateful
6) Ask too much of people
7) Never say "hello" before talking
and probably more that I have missed.
I hope you use this talent of knowing every detail about someone irl to make good money.
Maybe you are a wizard irl.
Edited by Hortator Indoril Nerevar on September 3, 2017 5:17PM7 -
Lexynide✭✭✭✭
I'm not even sure what you were trying to say, you completely missed the point and all I see is...anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Because then people will never want to PUG since everybody will be terrible. No one would even think of using group finder if chance of finding a somewhat decent player was next to impossible. And nobody would do group content except selected few of elites, and trials would be shut closed for anyone that isn't one of your friends or other elites. You don't think even one step ahead, do you?
Do you REALLY mean you're sacrificing yourself by PUGging instead of running with your friends, for the good of the overall community, which wouldn't survive without you PUGging just for them, for their own good ?
By all means, stop it. Thanks but no thanks. Really. There's no need. Just don't. We'll manage. Bye...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KquFZYi6L0
Maybe you should take a break and come back when you're a little less nervous, you hasten too much
I'm sorry that you've been so negatively influenced by this thread, but I can understand why. Anyone would lose a wish to play a game where people think that social interaction should be some sort of rocket science requiring one to have psychiatrist level of social skills™ because someone's wishes are more "fair" than the others'.jwalker524 wrote: »Wow... just read this whole thread while installing the game. Think I may just stick to Skyrim no matter how cool a multiplayer Elderscrolls game sounds... had the game for a while, messed around up to like 20 or so at one point, thought of maybe giving it a real go this time... but man, seems like a new player would just be eviscerated and have to deal with a crapton of drama just for trying to learn...
In an MMO you can't just "do what you want" but getting pissed at people and causing a scene when they might legit just not understand or know how things work yet... eh, I'll go back to single player stuff.
Thanks all for convincing me not to finish the install of the game.
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sevomd69✭✭✭✭✭
✭To OP... i think it might have been better if your question would have been (after the first pull)..."Are any of you running Ele Drain?" then proceed with line of questioning from there... For all you know they might have all been running Ele Drain... but how would you know that since, you didn't even get to the first mobs?Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »Besides the point. I asked PRE boss fight. Nothing wrong with that. IF they have it they say already got it on. If they dont they either put it on or dont. It was a simple question asked nicely.
People are so *** sensitive. If I am told to use a different skill that helps the group I dont have a sook... simple..
My point being... What are the reasons for your wanting Ele Drain slotted... for Pen? for Mag Steal? If tank was running pierce armor then pen is taken care of... if someone else is running a templar then maybe they're running aura (which is an AOE magsteal)... so as I was saying it might have been better if you had waited to start the dungeon... instead of asking for a certain skill, that might be "perceived" as a demand...Edited by sevomd69 on September 3, 2017 5:23PM2 -
Hortator Indoril Nerevar✭✭✭✭✭
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I'm not even sure what you were trying to say, you completely missed the point and all I see is...anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Because then people will never want to PUG since everybody will be terrible. No one would even think of using group finder if chance of finding a somewhat decent player was next to impossible. And nobody would do group content except selected few of elites, and trials would be shut closed for anyone that isn't one of your friends or other elites. You don't think even one step ahead, do you?
Do you REALLY mean you're sacrificing yourself by PUGging instead of running with your friends, for the good of the overall community, which wouldn't survive without you PUGging just for them, for their own good ?
By all means, stop it. Thanks but no thanks. Really. There's no need. Just don't. We'll manage. Bye...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KquFZYi6L0
Maybe you should take a break and come back when you're a little less nervous, you hasten too much
I'm sorry that you've been so negatively influenced by this thread, but I can understand why. Anyone would lose a wish to play a game where people think that social interaction should be some sort of rocket science requiring one to have psychiatrist level of social skills™ because someone's wishes are more "fair" than the others'.jwalker524 wrote: »Wow... just read this whole thread while installing the game. Think I may just stick to Skyrim no matter how cool a multiplayer Elderscrolls game sounds... had the game for a while, messed around up to like 20 or so at one point, thought of maybe giving it a real go this time... but man, seems like a new player would just be eviscerated and have to deal with a crapton of drama just for trying to learn...
In an MMO you can't just "do what you want" but getting pissed at people and causing a scene when they might legit just not understand or know how things work yet... eh, I'll go back to single player stuff.
Thanks all for convincing me not to finish the install of the game.
Cheers.
Careful, Anitajoneb17_eso is now saying I am playing the victim.
It can join the list of anti social, unable to socialise, unable to say hello when first meeting people, unable to ask nicely, unable to be grateful, i'm rude, ask too much of people and probably more in which he has found out about me by a very very limited amount of information.
If he can get into my brain so perfectly he may be able to get into yours. Careful.4 -
Hortator Indoril Nerevar✭✭✭✭✭
✭To OP... i think it might have been better if your question would have been (after the first pull)..."Are any of you running Ele Drain?" then proceed with line of questioning from there... For all you know they might have all been running Ele Drain... but how would you know that since, you didn't even get to the first mobs?Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »Besides the point. I asked PRE boss fight. Nothing wrong with that. IF they have it they say already got it on. If they dont they either put it on or dont. It was a simple question asked nicely.
People are so *** sensitive. If I am told to use a different skill that helps the group I dont have a sook... simple..
My point being... What are the reasons for your wanting Ele Drain slotted... for Pen? for Mag Steal? If tank was running pierce armor then pen is taken care of... if someone else is running a templar then maybe they're running aura (which is an AOE magsteal)... so as I was saying it might have been better if you had waited to start the dungeon... instead of asking for a certain skill, that might be "perceived" as a demand...
Next time I will wait until the final boss dies, maybe I will ask before I am in the group with them at all. You know its a very VERY touchy subject and asking someone to slot a skill can hospitalise someone..Edited by Hortator Indoril Nerevar on September 3, 2017 5:25PM7 -
sevomd69✭✭✭✭✭
✭Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »@sevomd69 you messed up the quote so I am just linking you to this. This is my reply.
Next time I will wait until the final boss dies, maybe I will ask before I am in the group with them at all. You know its a very VERY touchy subject and asking someone to slot a skill can hospitalise someone..
Now you're just being childish...5 -
Hortator Indoril Nerevar✭✭✭✭✭
✭Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »@sevomd69 you messed up the quote so I am just linking you to this. This is my reply.
Next time I will wait until the final boss dies, maybe I will ask before I am in the group with them at all. You know its a very VERY touchy subject and asking someone to slot a skill can hospitalise someone..
Now you're just being childish...
I asked for someone to use a skill which is commonly used by that class. You are acting like its a big deal and now get surprised when I make a joke about it.7 -
Quaesivi✭✭✭
Let's take apart the whole "Can the healer slot ele drain pls" message, shall we?There is a difference between not being polite "enough" and not being polite at all, his version is definitely not polite, it is demanding, which is the issue here that one might find.- First thing we see right of the start is "can" - an auxiliary verb, commonly indicating possibility, a request for permission, or generally a request. You notice something? It's not an order - it's a request with certain probability of happening. You can or cannot do the requested thing, you can accept or decline. Nobody is telling you to necessarily do it. If you decline - sure no problem, nobody is ordering you to do anything.
- Next thing we see is "the healer" - again, nothing offensive, a general addressing to a person of certain role. Nobody said "hey, you, that stupid guy with the staff" or anything offensive.
- And then finally we have "please" - in case "can" wasn't enough to give conditional mood to the whole sentence, this is pretty much nails it down. An additional layer of "possibility" and "not pushing the person to do it".
Yet here you are saying that "there was nothing polite in what he said, it's just pure rudeness and demanding".
You know what a rude demanding would sound like? Like this: "hey you, loser, slot the damn drain". Yep, this is what rudeness actually sounds like. Not like what you imagine it to be in that clearly spoiled vision of yours.
Since we are nitpicking, let's start.
First off, by saying that in no way I said he was rude, did I? Nope, I said he was NOT polite, you added the "rude" part. I guess you should look that up as well. Negative is not opposite, afterall there is always a neutral stance.
Second, do you wanna know why it is demanding? Because he started off by assuming healer didn't have elemental drain slotted and wanted him to. There was no fight, no indication that the healer had anything or not, but started off by assuming he was "noob" as one might put it and asked right away for elemental drain to be slotted. That assumption of his is what made this whole ordeal "demanding" thus he is, whatever he may do, will always be in the wrong simply because he started off by assuming instead of asking whether the healer has it or not.
Since you are prone to nitpicking, I'm assuming you can differentiate that fine line as well, instead of simply attacking.Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »@sevomd69 you messed up the quote so I am just linking you to this. This is my reply.
Next time I will wait until the final boss dies, maybe I will ask before I am in the group with them at all. You know its a very VERY touchy subject and asking someone to slot a skill can hospitalise someone..
Now you're just being childish...
I asked for someone to use a skill which is commonly used by that class. You are acting like its a big deal and now get surprised when I make a joke about it.
Once again, you are missing the whole point. No one is asking you to wait, or fail, it is simply a slight, just a tiny change in your attitude.
Next time, simply say this;
"Does the healer have elemental drain slotted, if not, can he/she?"
Instead of
"can the healer slot ele drain pls"
See that slight difference where you are actually being nice instead of assuming something about someone you have no idea about and end up being condescending under the guise of "niceness"?Edited by Quaesivi on September 3, 2017 5:32PM5 -
ShadowMole25✭✭✭
Really? I, DD, have to explain that if "i can't dmg" the boss will not die fast enough?ShadowMole25 wrote: »Instead of 'Tank pls don't kite boss, you take him out of my dots, so i can't dmg', try 'Tank try to keep the boss still, so that I can hit him with dots, otherwise he isn't going to die faster enough and will kill us all'.
There is like... absolutely no difference between these two sentences.
You know what? Other peoples' unflattering interpretations of my words, other peoples' unflattering interpretations of my intentions, other peoples'... holy hell... burning desire to be offended are not my problem. Period.
Okay, so I'll admit that my suggestion isn't the best, but you could mention ahead of time that your dots are area based rather than single target. This will help the tank to plan and you might not have to say something during the fight. What you would sounds like you are blaming the tank for not understanding what skills you are using.Wanders-Many-Rivers: EP Argonian Scout
Heals-In-Rivers: EP Argonian Healer
Roams-Many-Rivers EP Argonian Assassin
Shadow the Mole EP Breton Vampire Pirate Lord Assassin
Selena Renach EP Breton Witch
Ardlin Elmbranch EP Bosmer Runic Archeologist
Starfi Ice-Winter EP Nord Eccentric Unkillable Nuisance
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Hortator Indoril Nerevar✭✭✭✭✭
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Let's take apart the whole "Can the healer slot ele drain pls" message, shall we?There is a difference between not being polite "enough" and not being polite at all, his version is definitely not polite, it is demanding, which is the issue here that one might find.- First thing we see right of the start is "can" - an auxiliary verb, commonly indicating possibility, a request for permission, or generally a request. You notice something? It's not an order - it's a request with certain probability of happening. You can or cannot do the requested thing, you can accept or decline. Nobody is telling you to necessarily do it. If you decline - sure no problem, nobody is ordering you to do anything.
- Next thing we see is "the healer" - again, nothing offensive, a general addressing to a person of certain role. Nobody said "hey, you, that stupid guy with the staff" or anything offensive.
- And then finally we have "please" - in case "can" wasn't enough to give conditional mood to the whole sentence, this is pretty much nails it down. An additional layer of "possibility" and "not pushing the person to do it".
Yet here you are saying that "there was nothing polite in what he said, it's just pure rudeness and demanding".
You know what a rude demanding would sound like? Like this: "hey you, loser, slot the damn drain". Yep, this is what rudeness actually sounds like. Not like what you imagine it to be in that clearly spoiled vision of yours.
Since we are nitpicking, let's start.
First off, by saying that in no way I said he was rude, did I? Nope, I said he was NOT polite, you added the "rude" part. I guess you should look that up as well. Negative is not opposite, afterall there is always a neutral stance.
Second, do you wanna know why it is demanding? Because he started off by assuming healer didn't have elemental drain slotted and wanted him to. There was no fight, no indication that the healer had anything or not, but started off by assuming he was "noob" as one might put it and asked right away for elemental drain to be slotted. That assumption of his is what made this whole ordeal "demanding" thus he is, whatever he may do, will always be in the wrong simply because he started off by assuming instead of asking whether the healer has it or not.
Since you are prone to nitpicking, I'm assuming you can differentiate that fine line as well, instead of simply attacking.
So "please" and "Can" is not polite anymore?
Assuming? I asked and they could of said yes. I didnt know if they DID or DID NOT thus why I asked.
Noob? Projecting, I did not say or imply anything of the sort. I asked pre fight to save time.
Demanding? Rubbish.. Good luck going to work in the real world and being angry when your boss asks you if you did the things you are paid to do.. They are not being impolite and ASSUMING you are not working they are just asking.. nothing more..
I said "can" and "pls" not "DO" and "NOW"..
So *** sensitive mate...
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Hortator Indoril Nerevar✭✭✭✭✭
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Let's take apart the whole "Can the healer slot ele drain pls" message, shall we?There is a difference between not being polite "enough" and not being polite at all, his version is definitely not polite, it is demanding, which is the issue here that one might find.- First thing we see right of the start is "can" - an auxiliary verb, commonly indicating possibility, a request for permission, or generally a request. You notice something? It's not an order - it's a request with certain probability of happening. You can or cannot do the requested thing, you can accept or decline. Nobody is telling you to necessarily do it. If you decline - sure no problem, nobody is ordering you to do anything.
- Next thing we see is "the healer" - again, nothing offensive, a general addressing to a person of certain role. Nobody said "hey, you, that stupid guy with the staff" or anything offensive.
- And then finally we have "please" - in case "can" wasn't enough to give conditional mood to the whole sentence, this is pretty much nails it down. An additional layer of "possibility" and "not pushing the person to do it".
Yet here you are saying that "there was nothing polite in what he said, it's just pure rudeness and demanding".
You know what a rude demanding would sound like? Like this: "hey you, loser, slot the damn drain". Yep, this is what rudeness actually sounds like. Not like what you imagine it to be in that clearly spoiled vision of yours.
Since we are nitpicking, let's start.
First off, by saying that in no way I said he was rude, did I? Nope, I said he was NOT polite, you added the "rude" part. I guess you should look that up as well. Negative is not opposite, afterall there is always a neutral stance.
Second, do you wanna know why it is demanding? Because he started off by assuming healer didn't have elemental drain slotted and wanted him to. There was no fight, no indication that the healer had anything or not, but started off by assuming he was "noob" as one might put it and asked right away for elemental drain to be slotted. That assumption of his is what made this whole ordeal "demanding" thus he is, whatever he may do, will always be in the wrong simply because he started off by assuming instead of asking whether the healer has it or not.
Since you are prone to nitpicking, I'm assuming you can differentiate that fine line as well, instead of simply attacking.Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »@sevomd69 you messed up the quote so I am just linking you to this. This is my reply.
Next time I will wait until the final boss dies, maybe I will ask before I am in the group with them at all. You know its a very VERY touchy subject and asking someone to slot a skill can hospitalise someone..
Now you're just being childish...
I asked for someone to use a skill which is commonly used by that class. You are acting like its a big deal and now get surprised when I make a joke about it.
Once again, you are missing the whole point. No one is asking you to wait, or fail, it is simply a slight, just a tiny change in your attitude.
Next time, simply say this;
"Does the healer have elemental drain slotted, if not, can he/she?"
Instead of
"can the healer slot ele drain pls"
See that slight difference where you are actually being nice instead of assuming something about someone you have no idea about and end up being condescending under the guise of "niceness"?
WHAT ARE YOU EVEN ON ABOUT, DO YOU EVEN ENGLISH BRO!
That is the exact same thing! Is this your first day on the internet? Have you not seen people say things but in short form haha..
Wow...
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Hortator Indoril Nerevar✭✭✭✭✭
✭paulsimonps wrote: »
This... Omg.. I was just told to say ""Does the healer have elemental drain slotted, if not, can he/she?" instead of "can the healer slot ele drain pls" because the second one is harsh, rude, assuming, scary etc..
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sevomd69✭✭✭✭✭
✭Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »
Let's take apart the whole "Can the healer slot ele drain pls" message, shall we?There is a difference between not being polite "enough" and not being polite at all, his version is definitely not polite, it is demanding, which is the issue here that one might find.- First thing we see right of the start is "can" - an auxiliary verb, commonly indicating possibility, a request for permission, or generally a request. You notice something? It's not an order - it's a request with certain probability of happening. You can or cannot do the requested thing, you can accept or decline. Nobody is telling you to necessarily do it. If you decline - sure no problem, nobody is ordering you to do anything.
- Next thing we see is "the healer" - again, nothing offensive, a general addressing to a person of certain role. Nobody said "hey, you, that stupid guy with the staff" or anything offensive.
- And then finally we have "please" - in case "can" wasn't enough to give conditional mood to the whole sentence, this is pretty much nails it down. An additional layer of "possibility" and "not pushing the person to do it".
Yet here you are saying that "there was nothing polite in what he said, it's just pure rudeness and demanding".
You know what a rude demanding would sound like? Like this: "hey you, loser, slot the damn drain". Yep, this is what rudeness actually sounds like. Not like what you imagine it to be in that clearly spoiled vision of yours.
Since we are nitpicking, let's start.
First off, by saying that in no way I said he was rude, did I? Nope, I said he was NOT polite, you added the "rude" part. I guess you should look that up as well. Negative is not opposite, afterall there is always a neutral stance.
Second, do you wanna know why it is demanding? Because he started off by assuming healer didn't have elemental drain slotted and wanted him to. There was no fight, no indication that the healer had anything or not, but started off by assuming he was "noob" as one might put it and asked right away for elemental drain to be slotted. That assumption of his is what made this whole ordeal "demanding" thus he is, whatever he may do, will always be in the wrong simply because he started off by assuming instead of asking whether the healer has it or not.
Since you are prone to nitpicking, I'm assuming you can differentiate that fine line as well, instead of simply attacking.
So "please" and "Can" is not polite anymore?
Assuming? I asked and they could of said yes. I didnt know if they DID or DID NOT thus why I asked.
Noob? Projecting, I did not say or imply anything of the sort. I asked pre fight to save time.
Demanding? Rubbish.. Good luck going to work in the real world and being angry when your boss asks you if you did the things you are paid to do.. They are not being impolite and ASSUMING you are not working they are just asking.. nothing more..
I said "can" and "pls" not "DO" and "NOW"..
So *** sensitive mate...
In the "real world", if a colleague of mine had asked, "Can you please do the presentation?" without asking me first if I had done it or not... then yes I would perceive that to be condescending and presumptive...
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Dantaria✭✭✭✭✭
You're projecting.ShadowMole25 wrote: »What you would sounds like you are blaming the tank for not understanding what skills you are using.
You're projecting.There was no fight, no indication that the healer had anything or not, but started off by assuming he was "noob" as one might put it and asked right away for elemental drain to be slotted. That assumption of his is what made this whole ordeal "demanding" thus he is, whatever he may do, will always be in the wrong simply because he started off by assuming instead of asking whether the healer has it or not.
Both of you are interpreting my and Hortator Indoril Nerevar words in a way we never meant. How are we at fault?
Jesus.
Catch an awesome.I'm sorry that you've been so negatively influenced by this thread, but I can understand why. Anyone would lose a wish to play a game where people think that social interaction should be some sort of rocket science requiring one to have psychiatrist level of social skills™ because someone's wishes are more "fair" than the others'.
English isn't my native, apologies for any mistakes.5 -
Jhalin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Looking at this thread reminds me of a "tank" who runs Imperium and Undaunted Bastion, who proceeded to *** at us for telling him he couldn't tank Trials with that. He also didn't bother keeping up taunts or holding the boss still in AoEs.
But I guess that's just his playstyle, right?
If nothing else all the pseudo-healers in here show that I'm actually really good at my job.5 -
Destruent✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭ShadowMole25 wrote: »
LOL. Just LOL. You made all effort in the world to defend hardcore play-how-you-want crowd and then ultimately made your whole point invalid.anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »I'm not discussing here for the pleasure to bug you. The gap between good/bad players (whatever ppl call it) is an increasingly growing problem and I'd like people to discuss it in a constructive manner.
So "the gap between good/bad players" is a problem. Well, breaking news - in the current state of the game you learn from other players.
You learn exactly from requests "Heal pls use Ele Drain on bosses" from high-level players. If you're low-lvl and you PUG normal and you see medium-high CP player who asks for a skill you maybe never heard of... Well, sure, you can kick them. Or you can start solving the problem of "the gap between good/bad players" by asking 'What is this and why should I slot it? Sorry, new to healing'. Surpriiiiiiiiiise! In vast majority of cases you will end up with nice explanation. In many cases you will also end up with additional information about penetration and resource management ('Oh, btw, if you ever want to do endgame content, you might start leveling Undaunted for Orbs').
The gap between good and bad players is reduced by communication between good and bad players. 'Heal pls slot Ele Drain'. 'Tank pls don't kite boss, you take him out of my dots, so i can't dmg'. 'Tank pls slot grip so you can stack those pesky adds'...
If good players stay silent, the gap will only grow. So what do you want in the end, hmm? To solve the problem of the gap? Well, then sorry. We will ask you to slot Ele Drain/Talons/Warhorn/etc. Or was it just said to appear more tolerant? Well, duh then.
Then maybe the good players should ask ahead of time if anyone would like an explanation of the mechanics and explain certain things, otherwise it comes off as being demanding even if you say pls. Instead of 'Tank pls don't kite boss, you take him out of my dots, so i can't dmg', try 'Tank try to keep the boss still, so that I can hit him with dots, otherwise he isn't going to die faster enough and will kill us all'.
What about that: Don't take every wording as rude as possible? I always wonder, how people like that can live without being depressive constantly in RL...
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Quaesivi✭✭✭Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »
WHAT ARE YOU EVEN ON ABOUT, DO YOU EVEN ENGLISH BRO!
That is the exact same thing! Is this your first day on the internet? Have you not seen people say things but in short form haha..
Wow...
Ah, I see, my apologies, afterall you apparently really can not see the difference. Certainly it is pointless to teach you any manners after this age, or so it seems anyways. I should have seen you are incapable of actual english after your usage of "could of" instead of "could have" or "could've". Pointless to explain you anything further.
All I was saying that manners would go a long way. And it is always better to not *** off your healer in the long run, just a tip, I always try not to when I'm not the healer, so there you go, just be nice and play along.
But no matter how hard you try, you are not gonna be the victim here, especially since we will never really know the whole story since you got kicked. Afterall no matter how annoying situations got in a pug, I for one never kicked anyone nor got kicked unless someone dced for a long time.2 -
Hortator Indoril Nerevar✭✭✭✭✭
✭Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »
Let's take apart the whole "Can the healer slot ele drain pls" message, shall we?There is a difference between not being polite "enough" and not being polite at all, his version is definitely not polite, it is demanding, which is the issue here that one might find.- First thing we see right of the start is "can" - an auxiliary verb, commonly indicating possibility, a request for permission, or generally a request. You notice something? It's not an order - it's a request with certain probability of happening. You can or cannot do the requested thing, you can accept or decline. Nobody is telling you to necessarily do it. If you decline - sure no problem, nobody is ordering you to do anything.
- Next thing we see is "the healer" - again, nothing offensive, a general addressing to a person of certain role. Nobody said "hey, you, that stupid guy with the staff" or anything offensive.
- And then finally we have "please" - in case "can" wasn't enough to give conditional mood to the whole sentence, this is pretty much nails it down. An additional layer of "possibility" and "not pushing the person to do it".
Yet here you are saying that "there was nothing polite in what he said, it's just pure rudeness and demanding".
You know what a rude demanding would sound like? Like this: "hey you, loser, slot the damn drain". Yep, this is what rudeness actually sounds like. Not like what you imagine it to be in that clearly spoiled vision of yours.
Since we are nitpicking, let's start.
First off, by saying that in no way I said he was rude, did I? Nope, I said he was NOT polite, you added the "rude" part. I guess you should look that up as well. Negative is not opposite, afterall there is always a neutral stance.
Second, do you wanna know why it is demanding? Because he started off by assuming healer didn't have elemental drain slotted and wanted him to. There was no fight, no indication that the healer had anything or not, but started off by assuming he was "noob" as one might put it and asked right away for elemental drain to be slotted. That assumption of his is what made this whole ordeal "demanding" thus he is, whatever he may do, will always be in the wrong simply because he started off by assuming instead of asking whether the healer has it or not.
Since you are prone to nitpicking, I'm assuming you can differentiate that fine line as well, instead of simply attacking.
So "please" and "Can" is not polite anymore?
Assuming? I asked and they could of said yes. I didnt know if they DID or DID NOT thus why I asked.
Noob? Projecting, I did not say or imply anything of the sort. I asked pre fight to save time.
Demanding? Rubbish.. Good luck going to work in the real world and being angry when your boss asks you if you did the things you are paid to do.. They are not being impolite and ASSUMING you are not working they are just asking.. nothing more..
I said "can" and "pls" not "DO" and "NOW"..
So *** sensitive mate...
In the "real world", if a colleague of mine had asked, "Can you please do the presentation?" without asking me first if I had done it or not... then yes I would perceive that to be condescending and presumptive...ShadowMole25 wrote: »
LOL. Just LOL. You made all effort in the world to defend hardcore play-how-you-want crowd and then ultimately made your whole point invalid.anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »I'm not discussing here for the pleasure to bug you. The gap between good/bad players (whatever ppl call it) is an increasingly growing problem and I'd like people to discuss it in a constructive manner.
So "the gap between good/bad players" is a problem. Well, breaking news - in the current state of the game you learn from other players.
You learn exactly from requests "Heal pls use Ele Drain on bosses" from high-level players. If you're low-lvl and you PUG normal and you see medium-high CP player who asks for a skill you maybe never heard of... Well, sure, you can kick them. Or you can start solving the problem of "the gap between good/bad players" by asking 'What is this and why should I slot it? Sorry, new to healing'. Surpriiiiiiiiiise! In vast majority of cases you will end up with nice explanation. In many cases you will also end up with additional information about penetration and resource management ('Oh, btw, if you ever want to do endgame content, you might start leveling Undaunted for Orbs').
The gap between good and bad players is reduced by communication between good and bad players. 'Heal pls slot Ele Drain'. 'Tank pls don't kite boss, you take him out of my dots, so i can't dmg'. 'Tank pls slot grip so you can stack those pesky adds'...
If good players stay silent, the gap will only grow. So what do you want in the end, hmm? To solve the problem of the gap? Well, then sorry. We will ask you to slot Ele Drain/Talons/Warhorn/etc. Or was it just said to appear more tolerant? Well, duh then.
Then maybe the good players should ask ahead of time if anyone would like an explanation of the mechanics and explain certain things, otherwise it comes off as being demanding even if you say pls. Instead of 'Tank pls don't kite boss, you take him out of my dots, so i can't dmg', try 'Tank try to keep the boss still, so that I can hit him with dots, otherwise he isn't going to die faster enough and will kill us all'.
What about that: Don't take every wording as rude as possible? I always wonder, how people like that can live without being depressive constantly in RL...
Yea, Today I learnt that if I say "Does the healer have elemental drain slotted, if not, can he/she?" instead of "can the healer slot ele drain pls" can make people flip out and think I am rude, pushy etc etc etc..4 -
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✭Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »
WHAT ARE YOU EVEN ON ABOUT, DO YOU EVEN ENGLISH BRO!
That is the exact same thing! Is this your first day on the internet? Have you not seen people say things but in short form haha..
Wow...
Ah, I see, my apologies, afterall you apparently really can not see the difference. Certainly it is pointless to teach you any manners after this age, or so it seems anyways. I should have seen you are incapable of actual english after your usage of "could of" instead of "could have" or "could've". Pointless to explain you anything further.
All I was saying that manners would go a long way. And it is always better to not *** off your healer in the long run, just a tip, I always try not to when I'm not the healer, so there you go, just be nice and play along.
But no matter how hard you try, you are not gonna be the victim here, especially since we will never really know the whole story since you got kicked. Afterall no matter how annoying situations got in a pug, I for one never kicked anyone nor got kicked unless someone dced for a long time.
Cool I spelt something wrong, everything I have, will and every will say in the future is pointless. Thanks for letting me know.
Least I can tell the difference between rude and polite.
Also lol at attacking someones english when you do that lol.Edited by Hortator Indoril Nerevar on September 3, 2017 5:49PM5 -
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✭Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »
Let's take apart the whole "Can the healer slot ele drain pls" message, shall we?There is a difference between not being polite "enough" and not being polite at all, his version is definitely not polite, it is demanding, which is the issue here that one might find.- First thing we see right of the start is "can" - an auxiliary verb, commonly indicating possibility, a request for permission, or generally a request. You notice something? It's not an order - it's a request with certain probability of happening. You can or cannot do the requested thing, you can accept or decline. Nobody is telling you to necessarily do it. If you decline - sure no problem, nobody is ordering you to do anything.
- Next thing we see is "the healer" - again, nothing offensive, a general addressing to a person of certain role. Nobody said "hey, you, that stupid guy with the staff" or anything offensive.
- And then finally we have "please" - in case "can" wasn't enough to give conditional mood to the whole sentence, this is pretty much nails it down. An additional layer of "possibility" and "not pushing the person to do it".
Yet here you are saying that "there was nothing polite in what he said, it's just pure rudeness and demanding".
You know what a rude demanding would sound like? Like this: "hey you, loser, slot the damn drain". Yep, this is what rudeness actually sounds like. Not like what you imagine it to be in that clearly spoiled vision of yours.
Since we are nitpicking, let's start.
First off, by saying that in no way I said he was rude, did I? Nope, I said he was NOT polite, you added the "rude" part. I guess you should look that up as well. Negative is not opposite, afterall there is always a neutral stance.
Second, do you wanna know why it is demanding? Because he started off by assuming healer didn't have elemental drain slotted and wanted him to. There was no fight, no indication that the healer had anything or not, but started off by assuming he was "noob" as one might put it and asked right away for elemental drain to be slotted. That assumption of his is what made this whole ordeal "demanding" thus he is, whatever he may do, will always be in the wrong simply because he started off by assuming instead of asking whether the healer has it or not.
Since you are prone to nitpicking, I'm assuming you can differentiate that fine line as well, instead of simply attacking.
So "please" and "Can" is not polite anymore?
Assuming? I asked and they could of said yes. I didnt know if they DID or DID NOT thus why I asked.
Noob? Projecting, I did not say or imply anything of the sort. I asked pre fight to save time.
Demanding? Rubbish.. Good luck going to work in the real world and being angry when your boss asks you if you did the things you are paid to do.. They are not being impolite and ASSUMING you are not working they are just asking.. nothing more..
I said "can" and "pls" not "DO" and "NOW"..
So *** sensitive mate...
In the "real world", if a colleague of mine had asked, "Can you please do the presentation?" without asking me first if I had done it or not... then yes I would perceive that to be condescending and presumptive...ShadowMole25 wrote: »
LOL. Just LOL. You made all effort in the world to defend hardcore play-how-you-want crowd and then ultimately made your whole point invalid.anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »I'm not discussing here for the pleasure to bug you. The gap between good/bad players (whatever ppl call it) is an increasingly growing problem and I'd like people to discuss it in a constructive manner.
So "the gap between good/bad players" is a problem. Well, breaking news - in the current state of the game you learn from other players.
You learn exactly from requests "Heal pls use Ele Drain on bosses" from high-level players. If you're low-lvl and you PUG normal and you see medium-high CP player who asks for a skill you maybe never heard of... Well, sure, you can kick them. Or you can start solving the problem of "the gap between good/bad players" by asking 'What is this and why should I slot it? Sorry, new to healing'. Surpriiiiiiiiiise! In vast majority of cases you will end up with nice explanation. In many cases you will also end up with additional information about penetration and resource management ('Oh, btw, if you ever want to do endgame content, you might start leveling Undaunted for Orbs').
The gap between good and bad players is reduced by communication between good and bad players. 'Heal pls slot Ele Drain'. 'Tank pls don't kite boss, you take him out of my dots, so i can't dmg'. 'Tank pls slot grip so you can stack those pesky adds'...
If good players stay silent, the gap will only grow. So what do you want in the end, hmm? To solve the problem of the gap? Well, then sorry. We will ask you to slot Ele Drain/Talons/Warhorn/etc. Or was it just said to appear more tolerant? Well, duh then.
Then maybe the good players should ask ahead of time if anyone would like an explanation of the mechanics and explain certain things, otherwise it comes off as being demanding even if you say pls. Instead of 'Tank pls don't kite boss, you take him out of my dots, so i can't dmg', try 'Tank try to keep the boss still, so that I can hit him with dots, otherwise he isn't going to die faster enough and will kill us all'.
What about that: Don't take every wording as rude as possible? I always wonder, how people like that can live without being depressive constantly in RL...
Yea, Today I learnt that if I say "Does the healer have elemental drain slotted, if not, can he/she?" instead of "can the healer slot ele drain pls" can make people flip out and think I am rude, pushy etc etc etc..
Actually the first question would probably have gotten you more mileage than the second one... no presumption in the first question...5 -
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You're projecting.ShadowMole25 wrote: »What you would sounds like you are blaming the tank for not understanding what skills you are using.
You're projecting.There was no fight, no indication that the healer had anything or not, but started off by assuming he was "noob" as one might put it and asked right away for elemental drain to be slotted. That assumption of his is what made this whole ordeal "demanding" thus he is, whatever he may do, will always be in the wrong simply because he started off by assuming instead of asking whether the healer has it or not.
Both of you are interpreting my and Hortator Indoril Nerevar words in a way we never meant. How are we at fault?
If you are asking someone to do something without having any knowledge, and without asking if they already have done it or not, that is being presumptive. What he may or may not meant is certainly not reflected in his words, and I or anyone else in no way have the requirement to know what goes on in your head, therefore we are simply taking you by your word. If your words come out different than what you meant, and you make no effort to explain further, then you would be at fault for the misinterpretation.
And thank you, at least someone got what I was trying to convey. Yet they are the ones talking about "you can't do like this in real life."Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »
WHAT ARE YOU EVEN ON ABOUT, DO YOU EVEN ENGLISH BRO!
That is the exact same thing! Is this your first day on the internet? Have you not seen people say things but in short form haha..
Wow...
Ah, I see, my apologies, afterall you apparently really can not see the difference. Certainly it is pointless to teach you any manners after this age, or so it seems anyways. I should have seen you are incapable of actual english after your usage of "could of" instead of "could have" or "could've". Pointless to explain you anything further.
All I was saying that manners would go a long way. And it is always better to not *** off your healer in the long run, just a tip, I always try not to when I'm not the healer, so there you go, just be nice and play along.
But no matter how hard you try, you are not gonna be the victim here, especially since we will never really know the whole story since you got kicked. Afterall no matter how annoying situations got in a pug, I for one never kicked anyone nor got kicked unless someone dced for a long time.
Cool I spelt something wrong, everything I have, will and every will say in the future is pointless. Thanks for letting me know.
Least I can tell the difference between rude and polite.
Also lol at attacking someones english when you do that lol.
Since you are missing the point once more, let me explain further. I'm not attacking your english, I'm simply saying it would be pointless for me to try to explain you the "politeness" of the first sentence when you apparently do not have a good grasp of the language, it is not an assault, it is not an insult. It is simply a fact. It would be the same thing if you tried to tell me about the correct word of something in german or japanese, I got little to no knowledge of either language, I wouldn't be offended by that either.Edited by Quaesivi on September 3, 2017 5:51PM3 -
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✭✭Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »
WHAT ARE YOU EVEN ON ABOUT, DO YOU EVEN ENGLISH BRO!
That is the exact same thing! Is this your first day on the internet? Have you not seen people say things but in short form haha..
Wow...
Ah, I see, my apologies, afterall you apparently really can not see the difference. Certainly it is pointless to teach you any manners after this age, or so it seems anyways. I should have seen you are incapable of actual english after your usage of "could of" instead of "could have" or "could've". Pointless to explain you anything further.
Do you realize lots of people don't even use their first language to communicate in this game? This nitpicking about special wordings being polite enough or not is utter ***! Just assume the other one wanted to be friendly and ask if you want to know anything further but don't f**ing *** around if you don't like how someone says anything in groupchat.
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✭✭✭✭✭Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »Yea, Today I learnt that if I say "Does the healer have elemental drain slotted, if not, can he/she?" instead of "can the healer slot ele drain pls" can make people flip out and think I am rude, pushy etc etc etc..
No. You're being ironic. You could have learned (note : could have, not could of...), but you haven't.
And you have proven to be rude all over this thread.
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✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »Yea, Today I learnt that if I say "Does the healer have elemental drain slotted, if not, can he/she?" instead of "can the healer slot ele drain pls" can make people flip out and think I am rude, pushy etc etc etc..
No. You're being ironic. You could have learned (note : could have, not could of...), but you haven't.
And you have proven to be rude all over this thread.
Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »
WHAT ARE YOU EVEN ON ABOUT, DO YOU EVEN ENGLISH BRO!
That is the exact same thing! Is this your first day on the internet? Have you not seen people say things but in short form haha..
Wow...
Ah, I see, my apologies, afterall you apparently really can not see the difference. Certainly it is pointless to teach you any manners after this age, or so it seems anyways. I should have seen you are incapable of actual english after your usage of "could of" instead of "could have" or "could've". Pointless to explain you anything further.
Do you realize lots of people don't even use their first language to communicate in this game? This nitpicking about special wordings being polite enough or not is utter ***! Just assume the other one wanted to be friendly and ask if you want to know anything further but don't f**ing *** around if you don't like how someone says anything in groupchat.
While he attacked my spelling and english he made mistakes himself.. Not that it really changes the arguments anyways..Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »
WHAT ARE YOU EVEN ON ABOUT, DO YOU EVEN ENGLISH BRO!
That is the exact same thing! Is this your first day on the internet? Have you not seen people say things but in short form haha..
Wow...
Ah, I see, my apologies, afterall you apparently really can not see the difference. Certainly it is pointless to teach you any manners after this age, or so it seems anyways. I should have seen you are incapable of actual english after your usage of "could of" instead of "could have" or "could've". Pointless to explain you anything further.
All I was saying that manners would go a long way. And it is always better to not *** off your healer in the long run, just a tip, I always try not to when I'm not the healer, so there you go, just be nice and play along.
But no matter how hard you try, you are not gonna be the victim here, especially since we will never really know the whole story since you got kicked. Afterall no matter how annoying situations got in a pug, I for one never kicked anyone nor got kicked unless someone dced for a long time.
Cool I spelt something wrong, everything I have, will and every will say in the future is pointless. Thanks for letting me know.
Least I can tell the difference between rude and polite.
Also lol at attacking someones english when you do that lol.
As you attacked my English instead of my points you made a few mistakes of your own. Not that your english should change anything we are saying but hey you threw the first stone in a glass house...6 -
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...Ah, I see, my apologies, afterall you apparently really can not see the difference. Certainly it is pointless to teach you any manners after this age, or so it seems anyways. I should have seen you are incapable of actual english after your usage of "could of" instead of "could have" or "could've". Pointless to explain you anything further.
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You do realize that English just may be not native language for Hortator Indoril Nerevar, don't you? Just like it isn't native for me and for thousands and thousands of people who play ESO? That, as a matter of fact, "can you pls" instead of "may you please", the whole weird wording in game chat is... inevitable, because for majority English isn't native?
For someone advocating politeness and manners you're hellishly rude right now. Truly beyond measure.English isn't my native, apologies for any mistakes.7 -
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You're projecting.ShadowMole25 wrote: »What you would sounds like you are blaming the tank for not understanding what skills you are using.
You're projecting.There was no fight, no indication that the healer had anything or not, but started off by assuming he was "noob" as one might put it and asked right away for elemental drain to be slotted. That assumption of his is what made this whole ordeal "demanding" thus he is, whatever he may do, will always be in the wrong simply because he started off by assuming instead of asking whether the healer has it or not.
Both of you are interpreting my and Hortator Indoril Nerevar words in a way we never meant. How are we at fault?
If you are asking someone to do something without having any knowledge, and without asking if they already have done it or not, that is being presumptive. What he may or may not meant is certainly not reflected in his words, and I or anyone else in no way have the requirement to know what goes on in your head, therefore we are simply taking you by your word. If your words come out different than what you meant, and you make no effort to explain further, then you would be at fault for the misinterpretation.
And thank you, at least someone got what I was trying to convey. Yet they are the ones talking about "you can't do like this in real life."Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »
WHAT ARE YOU EVEN ON ABOUT, DO YOU EVEN ENGLISH BRO!
That is the exact same thing! Is this your first day on the internet? Have you not seen people say things but in short form haha..
Wow...
Ah, I see, my apologies, afterall you apparently really can not see the difference. Certainly it is pointless to teach you any manners after this age, or so it seems anyways. I should have seen you are incapable of actual english after your usage of "could of" instead of "could have" or "could've". Pointless to explain you anything further.
All I was saying that manners would go a long way. And it is always better to not *** off your healer in the long run, just a tip, I always try not to when I'm not the healer, so there you go, just be nice and play along.
But no matter how hard you try, you are not gonna be the victim here, especially since we will never really know the whole story since you got kicked. Afterall no matter how annoying situations got in a pug, I for one never kicked anyone nor got kicked unless someone dced for a long time.
Cool I spelt something wrong, everything I have, will and every will say in the future is pointless. Thanks for letting me know.
Least I can tell the difference between rude and polite.
Also lol at attacking someones english when you do that lol.
Since you are missing the point once more, let me explain further. I'm not attacking your english, I'm simply saying it would be pointless for me to try to explain you the "politeness" of the first sentence when you apparently do not have a good grasp of the language, it is not an assault, it is not an insult. It is simply a fact. It would be the same thing if you tried to tell me about the correct word of something in german or japanese, I got little to no knowledge of either language, I wouldn't be offended by that either.
Sir your superior English is showing and completely making me wrong.
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Quaesivi✭✭✭Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »
WHAT ARE YOU EVEN ON ABOUT, DO YOU EVEN ENGLISH BRO!
That is the exact same thing! Is this your first day on the internet? Have you not seen people say things but in short form haha..
Wow...
Ah, I see, my apologies, afterall you apparently really can not see the difference. Certainly it is pointless to teach you any manners after this age, or so it seems anyways. I should have seen you are incapable of actual english after your usage of "could of" instead of "could have" or "could've". Pointless to explain you anything further.
Do you realize lots of people don't even use their first language to communicate in this game? This nitpicking about special wordings being polite enough or not is utter ***! Just assume the other one wanted to be friendly and ask if you want to know anything further but don't f**ing *** around if you don't like how someone says anything in groupchat.
Oh, wanna know something funny, English is not my native language either, not by a long shot. Simply, I put an effort in learning another language, and I am fairly good at it. Surprising, isn't it? That people can learn different languages well enough.
And honestly? I can understand the language barrier, and I could even think he could have been kind IF AND ONLY IF he started off by saying "hi" instead of straight up asking for something.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Honestly, if this is how a thread on elitism goes, I cant really blame the devs for not lisening to the community.
On the one hand, you have people railing against people, on the other, the exact same. Yet more proof that the apparent hardcore and casual audiences, cannot co-exist.Edited by Doctordarkspawn on September 3, 2017 5:58PM1
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