Sorry that reality dismantles your point of view, but if you are not compleating the content because you are playing what you like, expect to be kicked.
That's...not exactly how it works. Sure I can and usually do slot Drain for myself when I dps a pug(because healers either ignore questions about one or have no idea what that is and/or no destro staff). I also can and often do slot heals because healer usually doesn't know how to heal so I end up running Twilight in order to keep everyone up(starting with healer). I also can and sometimes do slot taunt because I tend to have better surviveability with 16k health than tanks do with 30-40k because I'm aware of existence of such complicated mechanics as block, dodge and bash whereas they are clearly not. And I still tend to pull like 60-80% dps in most pug groups(that while my actual dps is really mediocre atm) while doing all/half of that. That brings the question of why exactly do I need that rest of the group when I'm doing all of their roles better than they are yet they get offended if I try to offer them advice? This is not called having fun, this is called carrying. It can actually be fun sometimes, sure, but it gets old.anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »And this is why you are not a good healer.
Healer has the role, of support in a group, which is why a good healer doesn't only heal.
Before talking avout things that you don't know, think twice.
A DPS shouldn't slot e le drain, that would go against their role in the group which is to do DPS.
If they have the buffs as. A part of the rotation then it's fine
We're talking about a PUG here.
The primary role of a healer is to HEAL.
Before using words you don't know, think twice.
Not everyone likes to play BiS and all optimized, and a healer is perfectly entitled to heal and not play the buffing machine.
The DPS are supposed to be somewhat autonomous (again, in a PUG) and are not entitled to have their numbers pushed by someone else sacrificing his own playstyle.
Guess why so many people at endgame report to be so bored (and blame it on ZOS) ? Because they all play the same way and impose that way onto others. In the end everyone play the same things, the same builds, the same rotations, the same strategies. That's why people get bored. If you don't have a healer with ele drain, then compensate some other way, think out the box, be creative, adapt. That way you won't get bored so quickly.
That's...not exactly how it works. Sure I can and usually do slot Drain for myself when I dps a pug(because healers either ignore questions about one or have no idea what that is and/or no destro staff). I also can and often do slot heals because healer usually doesn't know how to heal so I end up running Twilight in order to keep everyone up(starting with healer). I also can and sometimes do slot taunt because I tend to have better surviveability with 16k health than tanks do with 30-40k because I'm aware of existence of such complicated mechanics as block, dodge and bash whereas they are clearly not. And I still tend to pull like 60-80% dps in most pug groups(that while my actual dps is really mediocre atm) while doing all/half of that. That brings the question of why exactly do I need that rest of the group when I'm doing all of their roles better than they are yet they get offended if I try to offer them advice? This is not called having fun, this is called carrying. It can actually be fun sometimes, sure, but it gets old.anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »And this is why you are not a good healer.
Healer has the role, of support in a group, which is why a good healer doesn't only heal.
Before talking avout things that you don't know, think twice.
A DPS shouldn't slot e le drain, that would go against their role in the group which is to do DPS.
If they have the buffs as. A part of the rotation then it's fine
We're talking about a PUG here.
The primary role of a healer is to HEAL.
Before using words you don't know, think twice.
Not everyone likes to play BiS and all optimized, and a healer is perfectly entitled to heal and not play the buffing machine.
The DPS are supposed to be somewhat autonomous (again, in a PUG) and are not entitled to have their numbers pushed by someone else sacrificing his own playstyle.
Guess why so many people at endgame report to be so bored (and blame it on ZOS) ? Because they all play the same way and impose that way onto others. In the end everyone play the same things, the same builds, the same rotations, the same strategies. That's why people get bored. If you don't have a healer with ele drain, then compensate some other way, think out the box, be creative, adapt. That way you won't get bored so quickly.
Yes, there always is the option to run only with friends. The question is, is the community really better off that way? Inexperienced players(let's call them that) run with inexperienced players, never learn anything, never improve and run into solid wall because there's content they simply cannot complete without adapting - which they both refuse to do and don't know how to do anyway. "Elitists" run with "elitists" and get called names because they don't want randoms in their groups, community gets split into 2 opposite parts with the gap between them ever growing. People pulling 3k dps and people pulling 60k dps. And those at 60k dps are yet working on improving their performance whereas those at 3k feel their performance is just fine but the game is simply too hard. Do you really like this environment? The "no I don't want to change anything for the sake of my group, I think you're a jerk for daring to suggest I do something differently, I will play the way I want, even if it costs our group 4 hours of wiping, and you can burn in hell if you don't like it" one?
Why is this attitude so common on these forums? Why is it always assumed that the person expressing...displeasure at someone's underperformance should be a saint, that it is his job to adapt and overcome, he should slot Drain, heals, taunt, shut up and solo the dungeon for poor little scared pricks who refuse to do as much as slot a single skill or write a single response in group chat? Why isn't it taken into consideration that given we're talking about a group activity perhaps THEY should adapt too?
That's...not exactly how it works. Sure I can and usually do slot Drain for myself when I dps a pug(because healers either ignore questions about one or have no idea what that is and/or no destro staff). I also can and often do slot heals because healer usually doesn't know how to heal so I end up running Twilight in order to keep everyone up(starting with healer). I also can and sometimes do slot taunt because I tend to have better surviveability with 16k health than tanks do with 30-40k because I'm aware of existence of such complicated mechanics as block, dodge and bash whereas they are clearly not. And I still tend to pull like 60-80% dps in most pug groups(that while my actual dps is really mediocre atm) while doing all/half of that. That brings the question of why exactly do I need that rest of the group when I'm doing all of their roles better than they are yet they get offended if I try to offer them advice? This is not called having fun, this is called carrying. It can actually be fun sometimes, sure, but it gets old.anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »And this is why you are not a good healer.
Healer has the role, of support in a group, which is why a good healer doesn't only heal.
Before talking avout things that you don't know, think twice.
A DPS shouldn't slot e le drain, that would go against their role in the group which is to do DPS.
If they have the buffs as. A part of the rotation then it's fine
We're talking about a PUG here.
The primary role of a healer is to HEAL.
Before using words you don't know, think twice.
Not everyone likes to play BiS and all optimized, and a healer is perfectly entitled to heal and not play the buffing machine.
The DPS are supposed to be somewhat autonomous (again, in a PUG) and are not entitled to have their numbers pushed by someone else sacrificing his own playstyle.
Guess why so many people at endgame report to be so bored (and blame it on ZOS) ? Because they all play the same way and impose that way onto others. In the end everyone play the same things, the same builds, the same rotations, the same strategies. That's why people get bored. If you don't have a healer with ele drain, then compensate some other way, think out the box, be creative, adapt. That way you won't get bored so quickly.
Yes, there always is the option to run only with friends. The question is, is the community really better off that way? Inexperienced players(let's call them that) run with inexperienced players, never learn anything, never improve and run into solid wall because there's content they simply cannot complete without adapting - which they both refuse to do and don't know how to do anyway. "Elitists" run with "elitists" and get called names because they don't want randoms in their groups, community gets split into 2 opposite parts with the gap between them ever growing. People pulling 3k dps and people pulling 60k dps. And those at 60k dps are yet working on improving their performance whereas those at 3k feel their performance is just fine but the game is simply too hard. Do you really like this environment? The "no I don't want to change anything for the sake of my group, I think you're a jerk for daring to suggest I do something differently, I will play the way I want, even if it costs our group 4 hours of wiping, and you can burn in hell if you don't like it" one?
Why is this attitude so common on these forums? Why is it always assumed that the person expressing...displeasure at someone's underperformance should be a saint, that it is his job to adapt and overcome, he should slot Drain, heals, taunt, shut up and solo the dungeon for poor little scared pricks who refuse to do as much as slot a single skill or write a single response in group chat? Why isn't it taken into consideration that given we're talking about a group activity perhaps THEY should adapt too?
Tbh if you join a GROUP, you should be prepared to play as a group...not as a single-player...but i guess this opinion identifies me as an evil elitist
This is not called having fun, this is called carrying. It can actually be fun sometimes, sure, but it gets old.
Yes, there always is the option to run only with friends. The question is, is the community really better off that way?
anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »This is not called having fun, this is called carrying. It can actually be fun sometimes, sure, but it gets old.
Let's make one thing clear here @Magdalina : I don't know you ingame but I've read enough of your posts here to know that you're no elitist, and that you do everything so that people are happy while playing together.
That being said, if you find yourself too often in PUGs carrying other people up to a point that it's no fun anymore, stop pugging. People won't change. Complaining won't change. Offering help and advice, depending on the tone, will help, but only to a certain extent. If it's no fun to you anymore, stop pugging.Yes, there always is the option to run only with friends. The question is, is the community really better off that way?
Ideally, I wish there was a way for those two groups to play together, but in practice and after three years "experience" in this game, I've come to the conclusion that it's not possible. The game population is, as a matter of fact, split between players who want to be good, be the best they can, and people who enjoy playing around with fun builds, scenery and flower-picking. And those two groups should not mix. Mixing them in groups doesn't work, mixing them in guilds doesn't work. Playing together doesn't work.
Don't worry, players who want to get good always find their way to people like you to help them getting good.
Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »Thats funny, before you said its understandable to kick someone for asking a healer to use ele drain before starting the dungeon.. even if they say please.
Yet now its ok to offer advice if you are nice which I assume includes asking someone to use a skill if you say pls.
Hmm.
anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »Thats funny, before you said its understandable to kick someone for asking a healer to use ele drain before starting the dungeon.. even if they say please.
Yet now its ok to offer advice if you are nice which I assume includes asking someone to use a skill if you say pls.
Hmm.
The problem here is that you are convinced that you asked nicely, you quoted your own sentence word for word, and it doesn't sound nice. It sure isn't agressive, but it's not asked "nicely" either. "Pls" isn't enough to make a demand sound "nice". That's what I said ... "depending on the tone". Well, your tone wasn't nice, or at least not nice enough.
I'm pretty sure @Magdalina wouldn't post "healer use ele drain on each boss pls" even before anyone has started anything...
anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »Thats funny, before you said its understandable to kick someone for asking a healer to use ele drain before starting the dungeon.. even if they say please.
Yet now its ok to offer advice if you are nice which I assume includes asking someone to use a skill if you say pls.
Hmm.
The problem here is that you are convinced that you asked nicely, you quoted your own sentence word for word, and it doesn't sound nice. It sure isn't agressive, but it's not asked "nicely" either. "Pls" isn't enough to make a demand sound "nice". That's what I said ... "depending on the tone". Well, your tone wasn't nice, or at least not nice enough.
I'm pretty sure @Magdalina wouldn't post "healer use ele drain on each boss pls" even before anyone has started anything...
What a generation of snowflakes, what am i supposed to do next time i ask something, isn't could you do this nice enough?
witchdoctor wrote: »What a generation of snowflakes, what am i supposed to do next time i ask something, isn't could you do this nice enough?
I think you over-exaggerate.
Lets also keep in mind, the OP was kicked. Which means more than just one person disagreed that he wasn't asking nicely.
Two sides to a story, and all.
jbjondeaueb17_ESO wrote: »Why should a healer necessarily slot Ele Drain, if the tank use the most used morph of 1h/s, penetration is assured, and healer can use radiant aura or siphon spirit. On global you'll have the same exact benefits.
You shouldn't neither assume that one skill is mandatory if you don't know what you're talking about.
Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »Remember that sometimes you can ask nicely of a healer to use ele drain and the group will kick you for "telling them how to play".
Projection.
That's...not exactly how it works. Sure I can and usually do slot Drain for myself when I dps a pug(because healers either ignore questions about one or have no idea what that is and/or no destro staff). I also can and often do slot heals because healer usually doesn't know how to heal so I end up running Twilight in order to keep everyone up(starting with healer). I also can and sometimes do slot taunt because I tend to have better surviveability with 16k health than tanks do with 30-40k because I'm aware of existence of such complicated mechanics as block, dodge and bash whereas they are clearly not. And I still tend to pull like 60-80% dps in most pug groups(that while my actual dps is really mediocre atm) while doing all/half of that. That brings the question of why exactly do I need that rest of the group when I'm doing all of their roles better than they are yet they get offended if I try to offer them advice? This is not called having fun, this is called carrying. It can actually be fun sometimes, sure, but it gets old.anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »And this is why you are not a good healer.
Healer has the role, of support in a group, which is why a good healer doesn't only heal.
Before talking avout things that you don't know, think twice.
A DPS shouldn't slot e le drain, that would go against their role in the group which is to do DPS.
If they have the buffs as. A part of the rotation then it's fine
We're talking about a PUG here.
The primary role of a healer is to HEAL.
Before using words you don't know, think twice.
Not everyone likes to play BiS and all optimized, and a healer is perfectly entitled to heal and not play the buffing machine.
The DPS are supposed to be somewhat autonomous (again, in a PUG) and are not entitled to have their numbers pushed by someone else sacrificing his own playstyle.
Guess why so many people at endgame report to be so bored (and blame it on ZOS) ? Because they all play the same way and impose that way onto others. In the end everyone play the same things, the same builds, the same rotations, the same strategies. That's why people get bored. If you don't have a healer with ele drain, then compensate some other way, think out the box, be creative, adapt. That way you won't get bored so quickly.
Yes, there always is the option to run only with friends. The question is, is the community really better off that way? Inexperienced players(let's call them that) run with inexperienced players, never learn anything, never improve and run into solid wall because there's content they simply cannot complete without adapting - which they both refuse to do and don't know how to do anyway. "Elitists" run with "elitists" and get called names because they don't want randoms in their groups, community gets split into 2 opposite parts with the gap between them ever growing. People pulling 3k dps and people pulling 60k dps. And those at 60k dps are yet working on improving their performance whereas those at 3k feel their performance is just fine but the game is simply too hard. Do you really like this environment? The "no I don't want to change anything for the sake of my group, I think you're a jerk for daring to suggest I do something differently, I will play the way I want, even if it costs our group 4 hours of wiping, and you can burn in hell if you don't like it" one?
Why is this attitude so common on these forums? Why is it always assumed that the person expressing...displeasure at someone's underperformance should be a saint, that it is his job to adapt and overcome, he should slot Drain, heals, taunt, shut up and solo the dungeon for poor little scared pricks who refuse to do as much as slot a single skill or write a single response in group chat? Why isn't it taken into consideration that given we're talking about a group activity perhaps THEY should adapt too?
If this was the case, the healer could just have explained it...but seems like he doesn't...
witchdoctor wrote: »What a generation of snowflakes, what am i supposed to do next time i ask something, isn't could you do this nice enough?
I think you over-exaggerate.
Lets also keep in mind, the OP was kicked. Which means more than just one person disagreed that he wasn't asking nicely.
Two sides to a story, and all.
Yes, i am exaggerating, purposfully to make a joke, to me op seemed that he was asking nice enough.
But i mean, how can you handle the world if you can;t even handle someone asking you something, nicely enough?
anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »If this was the case, the healer could just have explained it...but seems like he doesn't...
Why would the healer have to justify anything ? Why not run the dungeons and make suggestion ONLY if the DPS seems too low and the group is wiping ? More than the tone, it's more the timing of the demand that makes it sound not that nice...
anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »Remember that sometimes you can ask nicely of a healer to use ele drain and the group will kick you for "telling them how to play".
Projection.
People have to realize that "slotting something" isn't that easy. It may break an entire build or rotation. I don't accept those requests either.
Some healers focus on healing and not buffing (and imho they're right). Your PUG healer doesn't have to be a buffing machine and there should be nothing to ask or complain about as long as the group is kept alive.
Want ele drain ? Slot it yourself...
Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh online communities.
witchdoctor wrote: »Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh online communities.
The irony is strong in this post.
if someone asks for ele-drain and he deosn't want to slot it bc he has radiant aura, i don't get why he isn't explaining it?
witchdoctor wrote: »if someone asks for ele-drain and he deosn't want to slot it bc he has radiant aura, i don't get why he isn't explaining it?
Because he doesn't owe an answer to Joe Blow DPS who just zoned in, swinging his staff like its the biggest on the block?
In the end, I even - in the principle - agree with the OP. I just highly suspect he rubbed 3 people the wrong way and they happily let him know.
anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »I literally said "Can healer use ele drain on boss fights pls" EXACT words and was kicked. Not a single mob was killed yet. However sure. Meh.
If that's the exact wording, and you hadn't even started the dungeon yet, then sorry but I can understand why they kicked you.
Why not wait and see first what's available, how people play ?
If they were newbies or insecure in any way, your demand was very likely to scare them.
Also, someone starting that way is likely to demand and complain during the whole dungeon.
If you want an optimized group, don't PUG.
Also, if instead of kicking you, they would have politely answered "no, I prefer to keep my bars as they are", what would you have done ?