Next time you scream elitist.

Hortator Indoril Nerevar

Remember that sometimes you can ask nicely of a healer to use ele drain and the group will kick you for "telling them how to play".

Projection.

OutLaw_Nynx

Ok

Zypheran

Hmm... was it a normal dungeon or a vet? If it was the latter then I don't see anything wrong with asking to fit ele-drain. If it was a normal dungeon and people weren't struggling....

Marabornwingrion

That's why I have ele drain slotted on my magblade DD when I pug dungeons

Teridaxus

Elitist

Hortator Indoril Nerevar

waitwhat

Aren't there other ways to get mag steal and breach though? I mean, isn't that skill a little overrated?

UncleRiot

In my eyes, it doesnt realy matter if you use it in vet dungeons or not.
Nice to have/use, but not so important.

There are allways folks that like to form a chair circle about everything...

waitwhat

Also is it elitist to ask people to get in voice chat so you can explain the mechanics of Na Kesh?

anitajoneb17_ESO

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

Remember that sometimes you can ask nicely of a healer to use ele drain and the group will kick you for "telling them how to play".

Projection.

People have to realize that "slotting something" isn't that easy. It may break an entire build or rotation. I don't accept those requests either.

Some healers focus on healing and not buffing (and imho they're right). Your PUG healer doesn't have to be a buffing machine and there should be nothing to ask or complain about as long as the group is kept alive.

Want ele drain ? Slot it yourself...

ValkynSketha

waitwhat wrote: »

Aren't there other ways to get mag steal and breach though? I mean, isn't that skill a little overrated?

It is a free cost skill man

Bombashaman

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

Remember that sometimes you can ask nicely of a healer to use ele drain and the group will kick you for "telling them how to play".

Projection.

Never!

strikeback1247

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

Remember that sometimes you can ask nicely of a healer to use ele drain and the group will kick you for "telling them how to play".

Projection.

People have to realize that "slotting something" isn't that easy. It may break an entire build or rotation. I don't accept those requests either.

Some healers focus on healing and not buffing (and imho they're right). Your PUG healer doesn't have to be a buffing machine and there should be nothing to ask or complain about as long as the group is kept alive.

Want ele drain ? Slot it yourself...

We are not discussing the usefulness of ele drain, what the OP is trying to say is that some people are so sensitive that they will kick you for simply suggesting something that may improve the overall performance. If you can't even take a helpful suggestion, I wonder how you take any constructive criticism in real life.

anitajoneb17_ESO

strikeback1247 wrote: »

We are not discussing the usefulness of ele drain, what the OP is trying to say is that some people are so sensitive that they will kick you for simply suggesting something that may improve the overall performance. If you can't even take a helpful suggestion, I wonder how you take any constructive criticism in real life.

Again, some people always get confused between suggesting, helping, criticizing and commanding.

Also, OP states that he's been kicked for simply asking, and asking nicely. That may be too much. But if the healer had said "no, thank you, I prefer to keep my bars as they are", would he have accepted that answer ?

In a guild group, yes, discuss, ask and optimize all you want.
In a PUG, deal with what's available, or leave.

Hortator Indoril Nerevar

Elsonso

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

strikeback1247 wrote: »

We are not discussing the usefulness of ele drain, what the OP is trying to say is that some people are so sensitive that they will kick you for simply suggesting something that may improve the overall performance. If you can't even take a helpful suggestion, I wonder how you take any constructive criticism in real life.

Again, some people always get confused between suggesting, helping, criticizing and commanding.

Also, OP states that he's been kicked for simply asking, and asking nicely. That may be too much. But if the healer had said "no, thank you, I prefer to keep my bars as they are", would he have accepted that answer ?

In a guild group, yes, discuss, ask and optimize all you want.
In a PUG, deal with what's available, or leave.

It is also a fair bet that there was some amount of stuff that happened between 'asking nicely' and the 'getting kicked'.

EvilCroc

Siphon Spirit for you. Don't ask me to use eledrain, filthy elitists.

JinMori

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

Remember that sometimes you can ask nicely of a healer to use ele drain and the group will kick you for "telling them how to play".

Projection.

People have to realize that "slotting something" isn't that easy. It may break an entire build or rotation. I don't accept those requests either.

Some healers focus on healing and not buffing (and imho they're right). Your PUG healer doesn't have to be a buffing machine and there should be nothing to ask or complain about as long as the group is kept alive.

Want ele drain ? Slot it yourself...

And this is why you are not a good healer.
Healer has the role, of support in a group, which is why a good healer doesn't only heal.
Before talking avout things that you don't know, think twice.

A DPS shouldn't slot e le drain, that would go against their role in the group which is to do DPS.
If they have the buffs as. A part of the rotation then it's fine

anitajoneb17_ESO

JinMori wrote: »

And this is why you are not a good healer.
Healer has the role, of support in a group, which is why a good healer doesn't only heal.
Before talking avout things that you don't know, think twice.

A DPS shouldn't slot e le drain, that would go against their role in the group which is to do DPS.
If they have the buffs as. A part of the rotation then it's fine

We're talking about a PUG here.
The primary role of a healer is to HEAL.
Before using words you don't know, think twice.

Not everyone likes to play BiS and all optimized, and a healer is perfectly entitled to heal and not play the buffing machine.
The DPS are supposed to be somewhat autonomous (again, in a PUG) and are not entitled to have their numbers pushed by someone else sacrificing his own playstyle.

Guess why so many people at endgame report to be so bored (and blame it on ZOS) ? Because they all play the same way and impose that way onto others. In the end everyone play the same things, the same builds, the same rotations, the same strategies. That's why people get bored. If you don't have a healer with ele drain, then compensate some other way, think out the box, be creative, adapt. That way you won't get bored so quickly.

Hortator Indoril Nerevar

lordrichter wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

strikeback1247 wrote: »

We are not discussing the usefulness of ele drain, what the OP is trying to say is that some people are so sensitive that they will kick you for simply suggesting something that may improve the overall performance. If you can't even take a helpful suggestion, I wonder how you take any constructive criticism in real life.

Again, some people always get confused between suggesting, helping, criticizing and commanding.

Also, OP states that he's been kicked for simply asking, and asking nicely. That may be too much. But if the healer had said "no, thank you, I prefer to keep my bars as they are", would he have accepted that answer ?

In a guild group, yes, discuss, ask and optimize all you want.
In a PUG, deal with what's available, or leave.

It is also a fair bet that there was some amount of stuff that happened between 'asking nicely' and the 'getting kicked'.

*edit* The picture from my last post showed up in this post so I am editing it to remove it.

In reply however. I got into the dungeon I said "Can healer use ele drain in boss fights pls" in those EXACT words and I was kicked. Not a single mob had been attacked yet.

In reply to the other people saying healers only heal and dps should slot it. Lol.

Hortator Indoril Nerevar

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

JinMori wrote: »

And this is why you are not a good healer.
Healer has the role, of support in a group, which is why a good healer doesn't only heal.
Before talking avout things that you don't know, think twice.

A DPS shouldn't slot e le drain, that would go against their role in the group which is to do DPS.
If they have the buffs as. A part of the rotation then it's fine

We're talking about a PUG here.
The primary role of a healer is to HEAL.
Before using words you don't know, think twice.

Not everyone likes to play BiS and all optimized, and a healer is perfectly entitled to heal and not play the buffing machine.
The DPS are supposed to be somewhat autonomous (again, in a PUG) and are not entitled to have their numbers pushed by someone else sacrificing his own playstyle.

Guess why so many people at endgame report to be so bored (and blame it on ZOS) ? Because they all play the same way and impose that way onto others. In the end everyone play the same things, the same builds, the same rotations, the same strategies. That's why people get bored. If you don't have a healer with ele drain, then compensate some other way, think out the box, be creative, adapt. That way you won't get bored so quickly.

All you need to write is "I dont know how to get my dps to max penetration, or at least help them get to it".

anitajoneb17_ESO

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

I literally said "Can healer use ele drain on boss fights pls" EXACT words and was kicked. Not a single mob was killed yet. However sure. Meh.

If that's the exact wording, and you hadn't even started the dungeon yet, then sorry but I can understand why they kicked you.
Why not wait and see first what's available, how people play ?
If they were newbies or insecure in any way, your demand was very likely to scare them.
Also, someone starting that way is likely to demand and complain during the whole dungeon.
If you want an optimized group, don't PUG.

Also, if instead of kicking you, they would have politely answered "no, I prefer to keep my bars as they are", what would you have done ?

Hortator Indoril Nerevar

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

I literally said "Can healer use ele drain on boss fights pls" EXACT words and was kicked. Not a single mob was killed yet. However sure. Meh.

If that's the exact wording, and you hadn't even started the dungeon yet, then sorry but I can understand why they kicked you.
Why not wait and see first what's available, how people play ?
If they were newbies or insecure in any way, your demand was very likely to scare them.
Also, someone starting that way is likely to demand and complain during the whole dungeon.
If you want an optimized group, don't PUG.

Also, if instead of kicking you, they would have politely answered "no, I prefer to keep my bars as they are", what would you have done ?

Max pen, smoother run, faster run.
Scare them? Asking to use a skill?...
Assuming again.
You idea of optimised is someone using a single skill that was asked for?

If they said that I would of laughed irl.

If a tank does not taunt is he just "not optimised"?
If a healer just heals and does not buff and does not dps are they just "not optimised"?
If a dps just light attacks are they just "not optimised"?

Dont worry I will show myself the elitist door for asking someone to use a SINGLE skill lol..

JinMori

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

JinMori wrote: »

And this is why you are not a good healer.
Healer has the role, of support in a group, which is why a good healer doesn't only heal.
Before talking avout things that you don't know, think twice.

A DPS shouldn't slot e le drain, that would go against their role in the group which is to do DPS.
If they have the buffs as. A part of the rotation then it's fine

We're talking about a PUG here.
The primary role of a healer is to HEAL.
Before using words you don't know, think twice.

Not everyone likes to play BiS and all optimized, and a healer is perfectly entitled to heal and not play the buffing machine.
The DPS are supposed to be somewhat autonomous (again, in a PUG) and are not entitled to have their numbers pushed by someone else sacrificing his own playstyle.

Guess why so many people at endgame report to be so bored (and blame it on ZOS) ? Because they all play the same way and impose that way onto others. In the end everyone play the same things, the same builds, the same rotations, the same strategies. That's why people get bored. If you don't have a healer with ele drain, then compensate some other way, think out the box, be creative, adapt. That way you won't get bored so quickly.

This kind of mentality really angers me, i would be perfectly fine with the play what you like mentality in a single player game, but in a mmo, that's another story.

You do realize that you play with other people, if you continue to fail because of your build, you will waste those people's time, energy, and generally *** them off, because they would rather win, then lose.

That statement play what you like is just an excuse to be a lazy and egoistic person, because you don't wanna spend 1 hour of your life to inform yourself on how to play your class correctly.

Also, it doesn't really make sense, who would like to lose? Or even better, who would like to lose, and then find the excuse, i play what i like, to justify your poor performance?

It's most probable that if those people found out a better build, they would ditch their "i play what i like build" in a blink of an eye.

Wanna know why when i decided to play this game i went for the best i could do at the moment, because of 3 reasons, 1: i wanted to perform as good as possible,
2: i like to do as much dps as i can,
3: I don't wanna be burden to other people, and since i understand how frustrating it is to lose continuously because of 1 person, i try not to do that.

This is not a single player game, if you wanna play with that mentality, go play a single player, or go rp, where no one gives a *** what you play.

When you are being a burden on other people i have the right to complain, and more importantly i am in the right, not just for me, but also for the other people in the group.

Hortator Indoril Nerevar

JinMori wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

JinMori wrote: »

And this is why you are not a good healer.
Healer has the role, of support in a group, which is why a good healer doesn't only heal.
Before talking avout things that you don't know, think twice.

A DPS shouldn't slot e le drain, that would go against their role in the group which is to do DPS.
If they have the buffs as. A part of the rotation then it's fine

We're talking about a PUG here.
The primary role of a healer is to HEAL.
Before using words you don't know, think twice.

Not everyone likes to play BiS and all optimized, and a healer is perfectly entitled to heal and not play the buffing machine.
The DPS are supposed to be somewhat autonomous (again, in a PUG) and are not entitled to have their numbers pushed by someone else sacrificing his own playstyle.

Guess why so many people at endgame report to be so bored (and blame it on ZOS) ? Because they all play the same way and impose that way onto others. In the end everyone play the same things, the same builds, the same rotations, the same strategies. That's why people get bored. If you don't have a healer with ele drain, then compensate some other way, think out the box, be creative, adapt. That way you won't get bored so quickly.

This kind of mentality really angers me, i would be perfectly fine with the play what you like mentality in a single player game, but in a mmo, that's another story.

You do realize that you play with other people, if you continue to fail because of your build, you will waste those people's time, energy, and generally *** them off, because they would rather win, then lose.

That statement play what you like is just an excuse to be a lazy and egoistic person, because you don't wanna spend 1 hour of your life to inform yourself on how to play your class correctly.

Also, it doesn't really make sense, who would like to lose? Or even better, who would like to lose, and then find the excuse, i play what i like, to justify your poor performance?

It's most probable that if those people found out a better build, they would ditch their "i play what i like build" in a blink of an eye.

Wanna know why when i decided to play this game i went for the best i could do at the moment, because of 3 reasons, 1: i wanted to perform as good as possible,
2: i like to do as much dps as i can,
3: I don't wanna be burden to other people, and since i understand how frustrating it is to lose continuously because of 1 person, i try not to do that.

This is not a single player game, if you wanna play with that mentality, go play a single player, or go rp, where no one gives a *** what you play.

They obviously are the kind of healer who does no damage, does no buffing and thinks healing is all they need to do in that role.

I wonder if they would care if a dps only did light attacks and one skill that has a low dps output making the content slower.
I wonder if they would care if the tank wanted to not taunt or debuff making the content way slower.

I will assume they would say something along the line of "they can do what they want as long as the content is finished" completely forgetting that someone in that group might not want to spend 1 hour on a 15 minute run..

The give take seems to end with them taking in these situations.

I ask for a single skill to be used (I am taking too much, what a elitist meanie)
They ask us to take a considerable amount more time in a dungeon and work harder to make up for them not doing a role in a more effective way (Nah thats just being a considerate person).

anitajoneb17_ESO

JinMori wrote: »

Wanna know why when i decided to play this game i went for the best i could do at the moment, because of 3 reasons, 1: i wanted to perform as good as possible,
2: i like to do as much dps as i can,
3: I don't wanna be burden to other people, and since i understand how frustrating it is to lose continuously because of 1 person, i try not to do that.

When YOU decided to play this game, YOU had YOUR objectives because pursuing those objective were YOUR conception of fun. YOU, YOU, YOU.
But not everyone is YOU.

JinMori wrote: »

This is not a single player game, if you wanna play with that mentality, go play a single player, or go rp, where no one gives a *** what you play.

Now who are YOU to tell me that I have no right to be here, to play the game how I want ? This being an MMO doesn't force everyone to play YOUR way just because YOU think it's the best way, if not the only way.

Who's the selfish egoistic person here ? Me, who claims that everyone is entitled to play as he likes, or you, who would like to have everyone not playing your way just out of the game ?

JinMori wrote: »

i understand how frustrating it is to lose continuously because of 1 person, i try not to do that.

Well, as far as I know, OP mentioned that they had not even started the dungeon yet, so who's talking about loosing ? Are you telling me that no group can complete a dungeon without elemental drain ?

JinMori wrote: »

When you are being a burden on other people i have the right to complain, and more importantly i am in the right.

We disagree on that.

Hortator Indoril Nerevar

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

JinMori wrote: »

Wanna know why when i decided to play this game i went for the best i could do at the moment, because of 3 reasons, 1: i wanted to perform as good as possible,
2: i like to do as much dps as i can,
3: I don't wanna be burden to other people, and since i understand how frustrating it is to lose continuously because of 1 person, i try not to do that.

When YOU decided to play this game, YOU had YOUR objectives because pursuing those objective were YOUR conception of fun. YOU, YOU, YOU.
But not everyone is YOU.

JinMori wrote: »

This is not a single player game, if you wanna play with that mentality, go play a single player, or go rp, where no one gives a *** what you play.

Now who are YOU to tell me that I have no right to be here, to play the game how I want ? This being an MMO doesn't force everyone to play YOUR way just because YOU think it's the best way, if not the only way.

Who's the selfish egoistic person here ? Me, who claims that everyone is entitled to play as he likes, or you, who would like to have everyone not playing your way just out of the game ?

JinMori wrote: »

i understand how frustrating it is to lose continuously because of 1 person, i try not to do that.

Well, as far as I know, OP mentioned that they had not even started the dungeon yet, so who's talking about loosing ? Are you telling me that no group can complete a dungeon without elemental drain ?

JinMori wrote: »

When you are being a burden on other people i have the right to complain, and more importantly i am in the right.

We disagree on that.

You are not ready for the internet. Or team sports. Maybe not even work irl.

JinMori

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

JinMori wrote: »

Wanna know why when i decided to play this game i went for the best i could do at the moment, because of 3 reasons, 1: i wanted to perform as good as possible,
2: i like to do as much dps as i can,
3: I don't wanna be burden to other people, and since i understand how frustrating it is to lose continuously because of 1 person, i try not to do that.

When YOU decided to play this game, YOU had YOUR objectives because pursuing those objective were YOUR conception of fun. YOU, YOU, YOU.
But not everyone is YOU.

JinMori wrote: »

This is not a single player game, if you wanna play with that mentality, go play a single player, or go rp, where no one gives a *** what you play.

Now who are YOU to tell me that I have no right to be here, to play the game how I want ? This being an MMO doesn't force everyone to play YOUR way just because YOU think it's the best way, if not the only way.

Who's the selfish egoistic person here ? Me, who claims that everyone is entitled to play as he likes, or you, who would like to have everyone not playing your way just out of the game ?

JinMori wrote: »

i understand how frustrating it is to lose continuously because of 1 person, i try not to do that.

Well, as far as I know, OP mentioned that they had not even started the dungeon yet, so who's talking about loosing ? Are you telling me that no group can complete a dungeon without elemental drain ?

JinMori wrote: »

When you are being a burden on other people i have the right to complain, and more importantly i am in the right.

We disagree on that.

You know why i did before entering vet dungeon, i made sure that i had the minimum requirements before entering, you ate just suggesting that anyone should enter regardless of everything, that is what makes you selfish, i actually care about others in the group, i care about the fact that if we don't finish, then everyone will be disappointed, i care more then you.

Don't try to reverse the argument on me again, because you are the one who doesn't give a *** about other people playtime, and just butts in in a group without any of the requirements, or at least this is what you are suggesting.

So, i'm gonna ask the same question who is the egoistic here?

I who would like to have some kind of standard for everyone before entering, so we can finish the dungeon having some fun, or you that don't give a ..... about that, and just enters and be a burden to everyone?

The answer is obvious, and if you say that the second one is right, then you are being an idiot.


Sorry that reality dismantles your point of view, but if you are not compleating the content because you are playing what you like, expect to be kicked.

LadyNalcarya

waitwhat wrote: »

Also is it elitist to ask people to get in voice chat so you can explain the mechanics of Na Kesh?

It is very elitist haha. Trying to explain how Planar Inhibitor works is also very elitist. Of course, its much better to get stuck there for 4 hours and give up. Basically every time you giving an advice or trying to explain something, youre ruining someone's unique playstyle. Once I was in a pug where someone got angry when asked to roll dodge from Spindle1 last boss aoe... That was after he died to every single explosion, of course.
Well, I guess some people think that "play as you want" means that you can clear vet dungeon by using /lute and /playdead.

JinMori

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

waitwhat wrote: »

Also is it elitist to ask people to get in voice chat so you can explain the mechanics of Na Kesh?

It is very elitist haha. Trying to explain how Planar Inhibitor works is also very elitist. Of course, its much better to get stuck there for 4 hours and give up. Basically every time you giving an advice or trying to explain something, youre ruining someone's unique playstyle. Once I was in a pug where someone got angry when asked to roll dodge from Spindle1 last boss aoe... That was after he died to every single explosion, of course.
Well, I guess some people think that "play as you want" means that you can clear vet dungeon by using /lute and /playdead.

I wanna play my unique playstile of spamming bol, and you don't have a say in that.

1 second later, can... can you guys give me a ress please?

Come on.....

Hortator Indoril Nerevar

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

waitwhat wrote: »

Also is it elitist to ask people to get in voice chat so you can explain the mechanics of Na Kesh?

It is very elitist haha. Trying to explain how Planar Inhibitor works is also very elitist. Of course, its much better to get stuck there for 4 hours and give up. Basically every time you giving an advice or trying to explain something, youre ruining someone's unique playstyle. Once I was in a pug where someone got angry when asked to roll dodge from Spindle1 last boss aoe... That was after he died to every single explosion, of course.
Well, I guess some people think that "play as you want" means that you can clear vet dungeon by using /lute and /playdead.

Yea, its disheartening that some people here are actually saying I am in the wrong for asking NICELY for a healer to use ele drain lol.