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Next time you scream elitist.
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paulsimonps✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »
WHAT ARE YOU EVEN ON ABOUT, DO YOU EVEN ENGLISH BRO!
That is the exact same thing! Is this your first day on the internet? Have you not seen people say things but in short form haha..
Wow...
Ah, I see, my apologies, afterall you apparently really can not see the difference. Certainly it is pointless to teach you any manners after this age, or so it seems anyways. I should have seen you are incapable of actual english after your usage of "could of" instead of "could have" or "could've". Pointless to explain you anything further.
Do you realize lots of people don't even use their first language to communicate in this game? This nitpicking about special wordings being polite enough or not is utter ***! Just assume the other one wanted to be friendly and ask if you want to know anything further but don't f**ing *** around if you don't like how someone says anything in groupchat.
Oh, wanna know something funny, English is not my native language either, not by a long shot. Simply, I put an effort in learning another language, and I am fairly good at it. Surprising, isn't it? That people can learn different languages well enough.
And honestly? I can understand the language barrier, and I could even think he could have been kind IF AND ONLY IF he started off by saying "hi" instead of straight up asking for something.
So you brag about your skill in a language that is not your native while making assumptions about someone else knowledge about said language.... could be.... perceived as..... Rude?6 -
Hortator Indoril Nerevar✭✭✭✭✭
✭Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »
WHAT ARE YOU EVEN ON ABOUT, DO YOU EVEN ENGLISH BRO!
That is the exact same thing! Is this your first day on the internet? Have you not seen people say things but in short form haha..
Wow...
Ah, I see, my apologies, afterall you apparently really can not see the difference. Certainly it is pointless to teach you any manners after this age, or so it seems anyways. I should have seen you are incapable of actual english after your usage of "could of" instead of "could have" or "could've". Pointless to explain you anything further.
Do you realize lots of people don't even use their first language to communicate in this game? This nitpicking about special wordings being polite enough or not is utter ***! Just assume the other one wanted to be friendly and ask if you want to know anything further but don't f**ing *** around if you don't like how someone says anything in groupchat.
Oh, wanna know something funny, English is not my native language either, not by a long shot. Simply, I put an effort in learning another language, and I am fairly good at it. Surprising, isn't it? That people can learn different languages well enough.
And honestly? I can understand the language barrier, and I could even think he could have been kind IF AND ONLY IF he started off by saying "hi" instead of straight up asking for something.
So "Hi" negates all of the sentence that comes after?
Son to mother - "You look beautiful today"
Mother to Son - "Go to bed you rude little ***, YOU DIDNT SAY HI FIRST"
I get it now.
The two main people here that are @Aenthel and @anitajoneb17_ESO are attacking my spelling as if it negates EVERYTHING else I say and use the wonderful logic above.
#ESOCommunityEdited by Hortator Indoril Nerevar on September 3, 2017 6:00PM7 -
Destruent✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Honestly, if this is how a thread on elitism goes, I cant really blame the devs for not lisening to the community.
On the one hand, you have people railing against people, on the other, the exact same. Yet more proof that the apparent hardcore and casual audiences, cannot co-exist.
Problem is... "hardcore"-player get blamed for not being polite enough, meanwhile they are not allowed to blame "casuals" to not communicate (or being impolite with that) at all....
Can't blame ZOS for that tbh...Noobplar1 -
Doctordarkspawn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Honestly, if this is how a thread on elitism goes, I cant really blame the devs for not lisening to the community.
On the one hand, you have people railing against people, on the other, the exact same. Yet more proof that the apparent hardcore and casual audiences, cannot co-exist.
Problem is... "hardcore"-player get blamed for not being polite enough, meanwhile they are not allowed to blame "casuals" to not communicate (or being impolite with that) at all....
Can't blame ZOS for that tbh...
Honestly, both on both sides have become a caustic mess. I'm not inclined to sort through it to make an accurate judgement once it gets toxic.
And neither are the devs, most likely. But in my experience? People rail against others for trying to make the game too easy, and then it starts. I dont know that's happened here, but it's still a lesson to be learned from the thread.
The more toxic you are, the less people want to hear you.2 -
Destruent✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Honestly, if this is how a thread on elitism goes, I cant really blame the devs for not lisening to the community.
On the one hand, you have people railing against people, on the other, the exact same. Yet more proof that the apparent hardcore and casual audiences, cannot co-exist.
Problem is... "hardcore"-player get blamed for not being polite enough, meanwhile they are not allowed to blame "casuals" to not communicate (or being impolite with that) at all....
Can't blame ZOS for that tbh...
Honestly, both on both sides have become a caustic mess. I'm not inclined to sort through it to make an accurate judgement once it gets toxic.
And neither are the devs, most likely. But in my experience? People rail against others for trying to make the game too easy, and then it starts. I dont know that's happened here, but it's still a lesson to be learned from the thread.
The more toxic you are, the less people want to hear you.
this thread is definetely not about the game being easy or hard...it's about getting kicked bc someone asked the healer to use a specific skill
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Doctordarkspawn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Honestly, if this is how a thread on elitism goes, I cant really blame the devs for not lisening to the community.
On the one hand, you have people railing against people, on the other, the exact same. Yet more proof that the apparent hardcore and casual audiences, cannot co-exist.
Problem is... "hardcore"-player get blamed for not being polite enough, meanwhile they are not allowed to blame "casuals" to not communicate (or being impolite with that) at all....
Can't blame ZOS for that tbh...
Honestly, both on both sides have become a caustic mess. I'm not inclined to sort through it to make an accurate judgement once it gets toxic.
And neither are the devs, most likely. But in my experience? People rail against others for trying to make the game too easy, and then it starts. I dont know that's happened here, but it's still a lesson to be learned from the thread.
The more toxic you are, the less people want to hear you.
this thread is definetely not about the game being easy or hard...it's about getting kicked bc someone asked the healer to use a specific skill
I've met healers who used frost staves.
Trust me, if that was the goal, it was never gonna do anything.0 -
Hortator Indoril Nerevar✭✭✭✭✭
✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Honestly, if this is how a thread on elitism goes, I cant really blame the devs for not lisening to the community.
On the one hand, you have people railing against people, on the other, the exact same. Yet more proof that the apparent hardcore and casual audiences, cannot co-exist.
Problem is... "hardcore"-player get blamed for not being polite enough, meanwhile they are not allowed to blame "casuals" to not communicate (or being impolite with that) at all....
Can't blame ZOS for that tbh...
Honestly, both on both sides have become a caustic mess. I'm not inclined to sort through it to make an accurate judgement once it gets toxic.
And neither are the devs, most likely. But in my experience? People rail against others for trying to make the game too easy, and then it starts. I dont know that's happened here, but it's still a lesson to be learned from the thread.
The more toxic you are, the less people want to hear you.
this thread is definetely not about the game being easy or hard...it's about getting kicked bc someone asked the healer to use a specific skill
If you dont mind I think its actually about my English now... Lol
Jokes aside, yea its gross. Those two people attacking peoples English while spelling things wrong themselves and saying that "If you dont say HI before ANYTHING its rude" have to be trolling.Edited by Hortator Indoril Nerevar on September 3, 2017 6:10PM4 -
Dantaria✭✭✭✭✭
It's not #ESOCommunity, sadly. It's #Humanity. Ad hominem is used everywhere - not surpising to see it here as well.Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »The two main people here that are @Aenthel and @anitajoneb17_ESO are attacking my spelling as if it negates EVERYTHING else I say and use the wonderful logic above.
#ESOCommunity
Sure. I'm the one responsible for all twists and turns in another person's head, which makes him/her see offence where there was absolutely none intended. And I should word my thoughts - in a foreign tongue, no less! - in a way so noone can possibly take offence.If your words come out different than what you meant, and you make no effort to explain further, then you would be at fault for the misinterpretation.
Breaking news - the only way to do so is to always and forever remain silent. Breaking news - this isn't how communication works.English isn't my native, apologies for any mistakes.4 -
Quaesivi✭✭✭paulsimonps wrote: »Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »
WHAT ARE YOU EVEN ON ABOUT, DO YOU EVEN ENGLISH BRO!
That is the exact same thing! Is this your first day on the internet? Have you not seen people say things but in short form haha..
Wow...
Ah, I see, my apologies, afterall you apparently really can not see the difference. Certainly it is pointless to teach you any manners after this age, or so it seems anyways. I should have seen you are incapable of actual english after your usage of "could of" instead of "could have" or "could've". Pointless to explain you anything further.
Do you realize lots of people don't even use their first language to communicate in this game? This nitpicking about special wordings being polite enough or not is utter ***! Just assume the other one wanted to be friendly and ask if you want to know anything further but don't f**ing *** around if you don't like how someone says anything in groupchat.
Oh, wanna know something funny, English is not my native language either, not by a long shot. Simply, I put an effort in learning another language, and I am fairly good at it. Surprising, isn't it? That people can learn different languages well enough.
And honestly? I can understand the language barrier, and I could even think he could have been kind IF AND ONLY IF he started off by saying "hi" instead of straight up asking for something.
So you brag about your skill in a language that is not your native while making assumptions about someone else knowledge about said language.... could be.... perceived as..... Rude?
I'm not the one making assumptions when it is clear that his grasp on the language is not as good. It is not a fault, no one excepts anyone to have a perfect grasp, mine isn't either. But the blockheadedness when one is trying to help someone understand what might have been perceived by others as rude? That is fairly rude.
And as it has been said before, using "could of" instead of "could've" or "could have" is a mistake commonly made by native english speakers instead of ones learning it afterwards as a foreign language.
And back to the topic itself, no I've never been an elitist, never kicked someone for not performing like top players or insulted them about it. But if someone is deliberately screwing things up for 3 or 11 other people simply because they can, it's not elitism to want to remove him/her, it is simply common sense. No one wants to waste time on someone that doesn't wanna change, unless it is their loved ones or something. Afterall we are all strangers to each other, or most anyways unless you are playing with family and friends.
To be fair, who has time to simply waste for strangers when they are being arrogant and stubborn. Most are playing this game to have some sense of fun and fulfillment or something, but none of them is about being angered by strangers.
Sure. I'm the one responsible for all twists and turns in another person's head, which makes him/her see offence where there was absolutely none intended. And I should word my thoughts - in a foreign tongue, no less! - in a way so noone can possibly take offence.If your words come out different than what you meant, and you make no effort to explain further, then you would be at fault for the misinterpretation.
Breaking news - the only way to do so is to always and forever remain silent. Breaking news - this isn't how communication works.
Oh by all means, if someone is taking things way out of context, you are not at fault. But since you are twisting my words and doing exactly that, you are completely capable of not offending anyone as well.Edited by Quaesivi on September 3, 2017 6:13PM2 -
Hortator Indoril Nerevar✭✭✭✭✭
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It's not #ESOCommunity, sadly. It's #Humanity. Ad hominem is used everywhere - not surpising to see it here as well.Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »The two main people here that are @Aenthel and @anitajoneb17_ESO are attacking my spelling as if it negates EVERYTHING else I say and use the wonderful logic above.
#ESOCommunity
Sure. I'm the one responsible for all twists and turns in another person's head, which makes him/her see offence where there was absolutely none intended. And I should word my thoughts - in a foreign tongue, no less! - in a way so noone can possibly take offence.If your words come out different than what you meant, and you make no effort to explain further, then you would be at fault for the misinterpretation.
Breaking news - the only way to do so is to always and forever remain silent. Breaking news - this isn't how communication works.
True and good point. Its amazing the length those two are going to make it seem like they are the only ones who grasp language.4 -
sevomd69✭✭✭✭✭
✭Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Honestly, if this is how a thread on elitism goes, I cant really blame the devs for not lisening to the community.
On the one hand, you have people railing against people, on the other, the exact same. Yet more proof that the apparent hardcore and casual audiences, cannot co-exist.
Problem is... "hardcore"-player get blamed for not being polite enough, meanwhile they are not allowed to blame "casuals" to not communicate (or being impolite with that) at all....
Can't blame ZOS for that tbh...
Honestly, both on both sides have become a caustic mess. I'm not inclined to sort through it to make an accurate judgement once it gets toxic.
And neither are the devs, most likely. But in my experience? People rail against others for trying to make the game too easy, and then it starts. I dont know that's happened here, but it's still a lesson to be learned from the thread.
The more toxic you are, the less people want to hear you.
this thread is definetely not about the game being easy or hard...it's about getting kicked bc someone asked the healer to use a specific skill
I've met healers who used frost staves.
Trust me, if that was the goal, it was never gonna do anything.
I golded out a Mother's Sorrow frost staff when I first started playing... still makes me sad whenever i see it in my bank... but can't get myself to deconstruct it... serves as a reminder... don't gold out gear until absolutely sure...2 -
Hortator Indoril Nerevar✭✭✭✭✭
✭paulsimonps wrote: »Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »
WHAT ARE YOU EVEN ON ABOUT, DO YOU EVEN ENGLISH BRO!
That is the exact same thing! Is this your first day on the internet? Have you not seen people say things but in short form haha..
Wow...
Ah, I see, my apologies, afterall you apparently really can not see the difference. Certainly it is pointless to teach you any manners after this age, or so it seems anyways. I should have seen you are incapable of actual english after your usage of "could of" instead of "could have" or "could've". Pointless to explain you anything further.
Do you realize lots of people don't even use their first language to communicate in this game? This nitpicking about special wordings being polite enough or not is utter ***! Just assume the other one wanted to be friendly and ask if you want to know anything further but don't f**ing *** around if you don't like how someone says anything in groupchat.
Oh, wanna know something funny, English is not my native language either, not by a long shot. Simply, I put an effort in learning another language, and I am fairly good at it. Surprising, isn't it? That people can learn different languages well enough.
And honestly? I can understand the language barrier, and I could even think he could have been kind IF AND ONLY IF he started off by saying "hi" instead of straight up asking for something.
So you brag about your skill in a language that is not your native while making assumptions about someone else knowledge about said language.... could be.... perceived as..... Rude?
I'm not the one making assumptions when it is clear that his grasp on the language is not as good. It is not a fault, no one excepts anyone to have a perfect grasp, mine isn't either. But the blockheadedness when one is trying to help someone understand what might have been perceived by others as rude? That is fairly rude.
And as it has been said before, using "could of" instead of "could've" or "could have" is a mistake commonly made by native english speakers instead of ones learning it afterwards as a foreign language.
And back to the topic itself, no I've never been an elitist, never kicked someone for not performing like top players or insulted them about it. But if someone is deliberately screwing things up for 3 or 11 other people simply because they can, it's not elitism to want to remove him/her, it is simply common sense. No one wants to waste time on someone that doesn't wanna change, unless it is their loved ones or something. Afterall we are all strangers to each other, or most anyways unless you are playing with family and friends.
To be fair, who has time to simply waste for strangers when they are being arrogant and stubborn. Most are playing this game to have some sense of fun and fulfillment or something, but none of them is about being angered by strangers.
You are walking hypocrisy.3 -
Destruent✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭This thread is confusing me more and more
I really should stop reading here....Noobplar1 -
Quaesivi✭✭✭Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »paulsimonps wrote: »Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »
WHAT ARE YOU EVEN ON ABOUT, DO YOU EVEN ENGLISH BRO!
That is the exact same thing! Is this your first day on the internet? Have you not seen people say things but in short form haha..
Wow...
Ah, I see, my apologies, afterall you apparently really can not see the difference. Certainly it is pointless to teach you any manners after this age, or so it seems anyways. I should have seen you are incapable of actual english after your usage of "could of" instead of "could have" or "could've". Pointless to explain you anything further.
Do you realize lots of people don't even use their first language to communicate in this game? This nitpicking about special wordings being polite enough or not is utter ***! Just assume the other one wanted to be friendly and ask if you want to know anything further but don't f**ing *** around if you don't like how someone says anything in groupchat.
Oh, wanna know something funny, English is not my native language either, not by a long shot. Simply, I put an effort in learning another language, and I am fairly good at it. Surprising, isn't it? That people can learn different languages well enough.
And honestly? I can understand the language barrier, and I could even think he could have been kind IF AND ONLY IF he started off by saying "hi" instead of straight up asking for something.
So you brag about your skill in a language that is not your native while making assumptions about someone else knowledge about said language.... could be.... perceived as..... Rude?
I'm not the one making assumptions when it is clear that his grasp on the language is not as good. It is not a fault, no one excepts anyone to have a perfect grasp, mine isn't either. But the blockheadedness when one is trying to help someone understand what might have been perceived by others as rude? That is fairly rude.
And as it has been said before, using "could of" instead of "could've" or "could have" is a mistake commonly made by native english speakers instead of ones learning it afterwards as a foreign language.
And back to the topic itself, no I've never been an elitist, never kicked someone for not performing like top players or insulted them about it. But if someone is deliberately screwing things up for 3 or 11 other people simply because they can, it's not elitism to want to remove him/her, it is simply common sense. No one wants to waste time on someone that doesn't wanna change, unless it is their loved ones or something. Afterall we are all strangers to each other, or most anyways unless you are playing with family and friends.
To be fair, who has time to simply waste for strangers when they are being arrogant and stubborn. Most are playing this game to have some sense of fun and fulfillment or something, but none of them is about being angered by strangers.
You are walking hypocrisy.
Oh it is simply fun, not hypocrisy. Besides, I was talking in a general sense, certainly not my fault you are the one getting "offended". Surprising when you complain about others doing the same.
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Hortator Indoril Nerevar✭✭✭✭✭
✭To start with, I have been maining a healer for the better half of this game's life. And I'm certainly not optimized, on the sense that I actually heal as a dunmer. Sure, a templar, with a restoration staff and spc/worm gear, but still, not maximized as it could have been with an altmer, per say.
And chiming into the discussion, there is only one more thing I'd say, you lost me at "pls", see, now if you actually took the time to write please, it would warrant some sort of kindness.
But really, "pls", it is just beggars talk, or 5 year-olds, so yea, certainly I'd not go as far as kicking you, per say, but I'd make sure that you would die at least once every boss, pureply for no reason other than I can.
Petty? Yes, certainly. Afterall manners are important. Heck, I'd even accept "Hey, do you have ele drain slotted" or something. But straight away saying "slot ele drain pls" is just, yup, that's right, annoying.
It is not about the optimization/maximization, it is not about healers or pugs, simply because you said "pls" Not elitist, hell I only completed only one vet trial simply because I don't have the time to sit for hours. And yes when necessary I do try to explain mechanics to dungeons if people do not know, but more often than not, when you try to explain something to a first timer, they actually respond with "kick me or leave", for ball's sake, I'm trying to help us all, but I get cussed for it by the "play however you want"ers.paulsimonps wrote: »Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »
WHAT ARE YOU EVEN ON ABOUT, DO YOU EVEN ENGLISH BRO!
That is the exact same thing! Is this your first day on the internet? Have you not seen people say things but in short form haha..
Wow...
Ah, I see, my apologies, afterall you apparently really can not see the difference. Certainly it is pointless to teach you any manners after this age, or so it seems anyways. I should have seen you are incapable of actual english after your usage of "could of" instead of "could have" or "could've". Pointless to explain you anything further.
Do you realize lots of people don't even use their first language to communicate in this game? This nitpicking about special wordings being polite enough or not is utter ***! Just assume the other one wanted to be friendly and ask if you want to know anything further but don't f**ing *** around if you don't like how someone says anything in groupchat.
Oh, wanna know something funny, English is not my native language either, not by a long shot. Simply, I put an effort in learning another language, and I am fairly good at it. Surprising, isn't it? That people can learn different languages well enough.
And honestly? I can understand the language barrier, and I could even think he could have been kind IF AND ONLY IF he started off by saying "hi" instead of straight up asking for something.
So you brag about your skill in a language that is not your native while making assumptions about someone else knowledge about said language.... could be.... perceived as..... Rude?
I'm not the one making assumptions when it is clear that his grasp on the language is not as good. It is not a fault, no one excepts anyone to have a perfect grasp, mine isn't either. But the blockheadedness when one is trying to help someone understand what might have been perceived by others as rude? That is fairly rude.
And as it has been said before, using "could of" instead of "could've" or "could have" is a mistake commonly made by native english speakers instead of ones learning it afterwards as a foreign language.
And back to the topic itself, no I've never been an elitist, never kicked someone for not performing like top players or insulted them about it. But if someone is deliberately screwing things up for 3 or 11 other people simply because they can, it's not elitism to want to remove him/her, it is simply common sense. No one wants to waste time on someone that doesn't wanna change, unless it is their loved ones or something. Afterall we are all strangers to each other, or most anyways unless you are playing with family and friends.
To be fair, who has time to simply waste for strangers when they are being arrogant and stubborn. Most are playing this game to have some sense of fun and fulfillment or something, but none of them is about being angered by strangers.
Sure. I'm the one responsible for all twists and turns in another person's head, which makes him/her see offence where there was absolutely none intended. And I should word my thoughts - in a foreign tongue, no less! - in a way so noone can possibly take offence.If your words come out different than what you meant, and you make no effort to explain further, then you would be at fault for the misinterpretation.
Breaking news - the only way to do so is to always and forever remain silent. Breaking news - this isn't how communication works.
Oh by all means, if someone is taking things way out of context, you are not at fault. But since you are twisting my words and doing exactly that, you are completely capable of not offending anyone as well.
You have been seen saying "but I'd make sure that you would die at least once every boss, pureply for no reason other than I can." earlier. You said you would let them DIE if they said PLS and not PLEASE.
Later you said "But if someone is deliberately screwing things up for 3 or 11 other people simply because they can, it's not elitism to want to remove him/her, it is simply common sense."
You are walking hypocrisy.. you attack peoples English since you have nothing else to say. Surprisingly you do it while making MANY mistakes yourself. Pathetic.6 -
jwalker524Soul Shriven[/quote]@walker524 No one has done any screaming at new players in this thread. People will absolutely love you, if whilst playing your response to a request or bit of advice isn't "Don't speak to me elitist sssscum!!!1!" or silence.[/quote]
@KochDerDamonen I know none of it was directed specifically at new players, still discouraging if this is the way the community is. It's maybe slight exaggeration, but coming to the forums to try to gauge the community, and seeing the top thread being about this kind of stuff is... disheartening. Makes it seem like the choice is "Grasp 100% of concepts and be 100% perfect, from the second you log in, or you're a piece of *** who doesn't "deserve" to play the game, vs "Everyone can do everything they want, MMO mechanics be damned, and if you want to learn you're literally ***". I know that is hyperbole, but it says a lot about the general community. Pretty much WoW or League, in a different setting. Not really my bag, would like to play, learn as I go, and have people not be complete *** about it. Probably not the case, but why bother even finding out? Community > gameplay, IMO, and if it is a dumpster fire of a community, I'll just go elsewhere.
[/quote]I'm sorry that you've been so negatively influenced by this thread, but I can understand why. Anyone would lose a wish to play a game where people think that social interaction should be some sort of rocket science requiring one to have psychiatrist level of social skills™ because someone's wishes are more "fair" than the others'. [/quote]
@Lexynide My thoughts exactly, maybe it's just extreme, because often forum people are like that, but it is discouraging, and I have 100 other games I can play and not deal with petty drama every time I want to try a group activity.
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paulsimonps✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭paulsimonps wrote: »Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »
WHAT ARE YOU EVEN ON ABOUT, DO YOU EVEN ENGLISH BRO!
That is the exact same thing! Is this your first day on the internet? Have you not seen people say things but in short form haha..
Wow...
Ah, I see, my apologies, afterall you apparently really can not see the difference. Certainly it is pointless to teach you any manners after this age, or so it seems anyways. I should have seen you are incapable of actual english after your usage of "could of" instead of "could have" or "could've". Pointless to explain you anything further.
Do you realize lots of people don't even use their first language to communicate in this game? This nitpicking about special wordings being polite enough or not is utter ***! Just assume the other one wanted to be friendly and ask if you want to know anything further but don't f**ing *** around if you don't like how someone says anything in groupchat.
Oh, wanna know something funny, English is not my native language either, not by a long shot. Simply, I put an effort in learning another language, and I am fairly good at it. Surprising, isn't it? That people can learn different languages well enough.
And honestly? I can understand the language barrier, and I could even think he could have been kind IF AND ONLY IF he started off by saying "hi" instead of straight up asking for something.
So you brag about your skill in a language that is not your native while making assumptions about someone else knowledge about said language.... could be.... perceived as..... Rude?
I'm not the one making assumptions when it is clear that his grasp on the language is not as good. It is not a fault, no one excepts anyone to have a perfect grasp, mine isn't either. But the blockheadedness when one is trying to help someone understand what might have been perceived by others as rude? That is fairly rude.
And as it has been said before, using "could of" instead of "could've" or "could have" is a mistake commonly made by native english speakers instead of ones learning it afterwards as a foreign language.
And back to the topic itself, no I've never been an elitist, never kicked someone for not performing like top players or insulted them about it. But if someone is deliberately screwing things up for 3 or 11 other people simply because they can, it's not elitism to want to remove him/her, it is simply common sense. No one wants to waste time on someone that doesn't wanna change, unless it is their loved ones or something. Afterall we are all strangers to each other, or most anyways unless you are playing with family and friends.
To be fair, who has time to simply waste for strangers when they are being arrogant and stubborn. Most are playing this game to have some sense of fun and fulfillment or something, but none of them is about being angered by strangers.
Sure. I'm the one responsible for all twists and turns in another person's head, which makes him/her see offence where there was absolutely none intended. And I should word my thoughts - in a foreign tongue, no less! - in a way so noone can possibly take offence.If your words come out different than what you meant, and you make no effort to explain further, then you would be at fault for the misinterpretation.
Breaking news - the only way to do so is to always and forever remain silent. Breaking news - this isn't how communication works.
Oh by all means, if someone is taking things way out of context, you are not at fault. But since you are twisting my words and doing exactly that, you are completely capable of not offending anyone as well.
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Duh.jwalker524 wrote: »@Lexynide My thoughts exactly, maybe it's just extreme, because often forum people are like that, but it is discouraging, and I have 100 other games I can play and not deal with petty drama every time I want to try a group activity.
@jwalker524, this thread - just like the majority of internet threads - is a byproduct of people being bored in this particular Sunday evening
You will meet elitist jerks with "You should grasp 100% of concepts". You will meet strange people who will Draconic Leap on you because of some words you thought and intended to be 100% innocent. But these sad incidents will be very few and in between. Just like in every human community there are people who takes stuff to extreme. Laugh and move on
The vast majority simply plays the game. Listen to advices, choose to act on them or not act - it's always up to you, and, above all, just enjoy the huge beautiful world.
Some bad apples doesn't make the whole tree unworthy
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✭✭✭✭✭ShadowMole25 wrote: »
LOL. Just LOL. You made all effort in the world to defend hardcore play-how-you-want crowd and then ultimately made your whole point invalid.anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »I'm not discussing here for the pleasure to bug you. The gap between good/bad players (whatever ppl call it) is an increasingly growing problem and I'd like people to discuss it in a constructive manner.
So "the gap between good/bad players" is a problem. Well, breaking news - in the current state of the game you learn from other players.
You learn exactly from requests "Heal pls use Ele Drain on bosses" from high-level players. If you're low-lvl and you PUG normal and you see medium-high CP player who asks for a skill you maybe never heard of... Well, sure, you can kick them. Or you can start solving the problem of "the gap between good/bad players" by asking 'What is this and why should I slot it? Sorry, new to healing'. Surpriiiiiiiiiise! In vast majority of cases you will end up with nice explanation. In many cases you will also end up with additional information about penetration and resource management ('Oh, btw, if you ever want to do endgame content, you might start leveling Undaunted for Orbs').
The gap between good and bad players is reduced by communication between good and bad players. 'Heal pls slot Ele Drain'. 'Tank pls don't kite boss, you take him out of my dots, so i can't dmg'. 'Tank pls slot grip so you can stack those pesky adds'...
If good players stay silent, the gap will only grow. So what do you want in the end, hmm? To solve the problem of the gap? Well, then sorry. We will ask you to slot Ele Drain/Talons/Warhorn/etc. Or was it just said to appear more tolerant? Well, duh then.
Then maybe the good players should ask ahead of time if anyone would like an explanation of the mechanics and explain certain things, otherwise it comes off as being demanding even if you say pls. Instead of 'Tank pls don't kite boss, you take him out of my dots, so i can't dmg', try 'Tank try to keep the boss still, so that I can hit him with dots, otherwise he isn't going to die faster enough and will kill us all'.
What about that: Don't take every wording as rude as possible? I always wonder, how people like that can live without being depressive constantly in RL...
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Duh.jwalker524 wrote: »@Lexynide My thoughts exactly, maybe it's just extreme, because often forum people are like that, but it is discouraging, and I have 100 other games I can play and not deal with petty drama every time I want to try a group activity.
@jwalker524, this thread - just like the majority of internet threads - is a byproduct of people being bored in this particular Sunday evening
You will meet elitist jerks with "You should grasp 100% of concepts". You will meet strange people who will Draconic Leap on you because of some words you thought and intended to be 100% innocent. But these sad incidents will be very few and in between. Just like in every human community there are people who takes stuff to extreme. Laugh and move on
The vast majority simply plays the game. Listen to advices, choose to act on them or not act - it's always up to you, and, above all, just enjoy the huge beautiful world.
Some bad apples doesn't make the whole tree unworthy
Eh, fair enough. I should know better by now than to read game forums. Just angries up the blood, and then I open my mouth and make a fool of myself. Sincere apologies. I still maintain threads like this just drive off new players. but meh, game is successful either way.
Cheers, all. Good luck with your *** waving contests.2 -
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