Next time you scream elitist.

anitajoneb17_ESO

Destruent wrote: »

TBH when running with more progress-minded people (even if i don't know them) it usually never happened that noone replies in chat...when pugging it's more or less common...

Well, maybe they can't ? I mean, I pugged a vet dungeon yesterday and all 3 other members used group chat... in cyrillic... there was no way I could answer anything to anyone, if they ever asked anything to me

And yes, obviously progress-minded people will be more inline with other progress-minded people. But don't expect it from PUGs.

Destruent

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

TBH when running with more progress-minded people (even if i don't know them) it usually never happened that noone replies in chat...when pugging it's more or less common...

Well, maybe they can't ? I mean, I pugged a vet dungeon yesterday and all 3 other members used group chat... in cyrillic... there was no way I could answer anything to anyone, if they ever asked anything to me

this doesn't pretend anyone from writing something like "sry, don't understand you" in any language they think the other one could understand...
don't search problems where there are none...

witchdoctor

@Destruent You have misquoted me. I did not write what you quoted.

Destruent

witchdoctor wrote: »

@Destruent You have misquoted me. I did not write what you quoted.

oh, i'm sry...quotes got messed up...i think i quoted @anitajoneb17_ESO

squinquargesimus

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

witchdoctor wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

if someone asks for ele-drain and he deosn't want to slot it bc he has radiant aura, i don't get why he isn't explaining it?

Because he doesn't owe an answer to Joe Blow DPS who just zoned in, swinging his staff like its the biggest on the block?

In the end, I even - in the principle - agree with the OP. I just highly suspect he rubbed 3 people the wrong way and they happily let him know.

I said one line. Like I said. Thats it. Project more.

Did you, like, even say hello or did you open with "use ele drain pls" lmao

like seriously -- @witchdoctor is right in saying that the healer can't have kicked you on his own and your one line seems to have stricken more than one person on here as condescending and presumptuous as well.

I don't even agree with the idea that people shouldn't at least try to be effective in their role or anything when in a group, but telling some random how to play like that, without even giving them a chance to show whether or not they even need any advice no less, isn't really nice or non elitist.

Honestly -- if OP had something after the group had started and a DPS problem had indeed become apparent that would have already been different. But as it is it comes across a lot like "I know how to play better than you and you should just do as I say" rather than anything else.

witchdoctor

Thanks!

Rainraven

I'd never scream it, only sigh it softly.

Respectfully OP, without any of the three people who voted to kick you showing up to say why (in the hell) they did that, it could have been they didn't like your outfit or your name or one of them had a guildie who wanted in, and you requesting a particular skill be used was just incidental.

But if your point is that people are randomly ***ish and it sucks, I'm with you. It might be just as well you didn't have to spend any more time with them.

phileunderx2

I think you got grouped with 3 Yolo ' s who were all deeps. So I doubt the healer was a healer. #puglife

Mureel

There is nth wrong with saying ele drain pls. Or can you use ele drain.

Anyone that sensitive is gonna have issues everywhere.

Mureel

Myyth wrote: »

From what ive read ele drain is useless in groups

the slot could be used for a much more usefull skill

Like what?

Send the elements to sap an enemy's defenses, afflicting them with Major Breach, which reduces Spell Resistance by 5280 for 21 seconds.|Also applies Minor Magickasteal to the enemy for 24 seconds, causing you and your allies to restore 400 Magicka every 1 second when damaging them.

Useless in groups. Ok.

zaria

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

JinMori wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

JinMori wrote: »

And this is why you are not a good healer.
Healer has the role, of support in a group, which is why a good healer doesn't only heal.
Before talking avout things that you don't know, think twice.

A DPS shouldn't slot e le drain, that would go against their role in the group which is to do DPS.
If they have the buffs as. A part of the rotation then it's fine

We're talking about a PUG here.
The primary role of a healer is to HEAL.
Before using words you don't know, think twice.

Not everyone likes to play BiS and all optimized, and a healer is perfectly entitled to heal and not play the buffing machine.
The DPS are supposed to be somewhat autonomous (again, in a PUG) and are not entitled to have their numbers pushed by someone else sacrificing his own playstyle.

Guess why so many people at endgame report to be so bored (and blame it on ZOS) ? Because they all play the same way and impose that way onto others. In the end everyone play the same things, the same builds, the same rotations, the same strategies. That's why people get bored. If you don't have a healer with ele drain, then compensate some other way, think out the box, be creative, adapt. That way you won't get bored so quickly.

This kind of mentality really angers me, i would be perfectly fine with the play what you like mentality in a single player game, but in a mmo, that's another story.

You do realize that you play with other people, if you continue to fail because of your build, you will waste those people's time, energy, and generally *** them off, because they would rather win, then lose.

That statement play what you like is just an excuse to be a lazy and egoistic person, because you don't wanna spend 1 hour of your life to inform yourself on how to play your class correctly.

Also, it doesn't really make sense, who would like to lose? Or even better, who would like to lose, and then find the excuse, i play what i like, to justify your poor performance?

It's most probable that if those people found out a better build, they would ditch their "i play what i like build" in a blink of an eye.

Wanna know why when i decided to play this game i went for the best i could do at the moment, because of 3 reasons, 1: i wanted to perform as good as possible,
2: i like to do as much dps as i can,
3: I don't wanna be burden to other people, and since i understand how frustrating it is to lose continuously because of 1 person, i try not to do that.

This is not a single player game, if you wanna play with that mentality, go play a single player, or go rp, where no one gives a *** what you play.

They obviously are the kind of healer who does no damage, does no buffing and thinks healing is all they need to do in that role.

I wonder if they would care if a dps only did light attacks and one skill that has a low dps output making the content slower.
I wonder if they would care if the tank wanted to not taunt or debuff making the content way slower.

I will assume they would say something along the line of "they can do what they want as long as the content is finished" completely forgetting that someone in that group might not want to spend 1 hour on a 15 minute run..

The give take seems to end with them taking in these situations.

I ask for a single skill to be used (I am taking too much, what a elitist meanie)
They ask us to take a considerable amount more time in a dungeon and work harder to make up for them not doing a role in a more effective way (Nah thats just being a considerate person).

This, I run mostly as healer and mostly in pugs.
You use ele drain, its part of healer task and it help you too, its part of any magic user rotation in dps tests on skeleton.
As someone should use it its best that the healer does, again in pugs you don't plan so you need standard procedures.

As for doing damage, that else to do in easy fights? no you don't have to do damage and on hard bosses you don't know it can be smart to have magic in reserve and be ready to heal all the time.

CountEdmondDantes

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

Remember that sometimes you can ask nicely of a healer to use ele drain and the group will kick you for "telling them how to play".

Projection.

People have to realize that "slotting something" isn't that easy. It may break an entire build or rotation. I don't accept those requests either.

Some healers focus on healing and not buffing (and imho they're right). Your PUG healer doesn't have to be a buffing machine and there should be nothing to ask or complain about as long as the group is kept alive.

Want ele drain ? Slot it yourself...

This right here. This.

Let me tell you about an experience I had about a month ago running a dungeon. Four person dungeon, three of us were running pre-CP characters and my daughter was the healer. She's got like 500+ CPs. We start, we're having fun, everything's going fine. Joking on Discord. This is what playing an MMO should be, right?

Then one of the others has to drop off - a phone call from a girl. Fine. We give him ten minutes, then we kick him. (It's okay, he knows our rules.) Now we pull in a pug player. Offer him/her discord info but they don't get on. We pick up and move on.

Suddenly, we get a text asking my daughter to slot a skill I frankly have never heard of (but then I don't heal). After this pause, my daughter replies - in text - that she's a Templar and that's not even a Templar skill. Another pause. Then we get: "[snip], no one is running this skill (whatever it was)."

Keep in mind, this person hasn't even died yet. We keep going. Just that experience, with that attitude, has made the dungeon a lot less fun. Now we're just trying to get done. We move through the second boss quickly and another text appears. Now my daughter invites them again to get on Discord so we can explain what's going on. Again, no response.

We start up again, thinking everything's as okay as it's going to get, and here comes another text. Talk about a chair circle moment. We have to stop what we're doing and try to explain to this person why we can't do this thing they want us to do. At this point, my daughter is getting really frustrated, because of the "learn to play" responses we're getting from this person - and she's been on the game since day one.

Going into the final boss, the person drops off. They just quit. Fine. We manage to pull through - thanks to my daughter's healing - and we finish. It's okay. We have that conversation we've had a few dozen times about not using pugs ever again.

To be fair, I've had good experiences with pugs and picked up a few friends that way. But in the past few months the bad experiences have started to outweigh the good. Maybe I've learned enough about the game to realize that some of the advice people give in pug groups is just bad.

To answer the OP's question: it's not elitist to ask for a skill to be slotted. Ask away. You might not get the answer you want, though. And if you don't, try to improvise. (And by the way, building your character is such a way that you constantly need someone else to throw down a skill so you can sustain is probably not the best idea.)

What is elitiest - and annoying as hell - is to not to participate in a group. It's a group. It's not all about you. What can you do to help the group? That may include getting on Discord or TS so we can explain something to you without typing every detail out in chat. I know, the player may be shy, they may not like the sound of their voice, they may be hiding something - whatever - just get on and don't talk. But listen!!! Because that is really annoying.

Okay, rant over. Sorry.
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Nolic1

Well can I get you to run reapers mark on your nightblade please or can I get you to run your group buff on your dragonknight or hey sorc can you run this ulti to stop casters from casting and give us a small heal. There has been alot of times I have asking for things to be told by the dps they can not get rid of any skills cause it would effect there build even though these other skill could help the group for certain fights.

So this argument about being kicked for asking the healer to change there build to have the skill you ask for is not different. I have been kicked for asking all the above and more because the dps builds can never change but healers and tanks have to change there build all the time to fit the needs of dps. Its a 2 way street here people not a one way street.

Mureel

CountEdmondDantes wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

Remember that sometimes you can ask nicely of a healer to use ele drain and the group will kick you for "telling them how to play".

Projection.

People have to realize that "slotting something" isn't that easy. It may break an entire build or rotation. I don't accept those requests either.

Some healers focus on healing and not buffing (and imho they're right). Your PUG healer doesn't have to be a buffing machine and there should be nothing to ask or complain about as long as the group is kept alive.

Want ele drain ? Slot it yourself...

This right here. This.

Let me tell you about an experience I had about a month ago running a dungeon. Four person dungeon, three of us were running pre-CP characters and my daughter was the healer. She's got like 500+ CPs. We start, we're having fun, everything's going fine. Joking on Discord. This is what playing an MMO should be, right?

Then one of the others has to drop off - a phone call from a girl. Fine. We give him ten minutes, then we kick him. (It's okay, he knows our rules.) Now we pull in a pug player. Offer him/her discord info but they don't get on. We pick up and move on.

Suddenly, we get a text asking my daughter to slot a skill I frankly have never heard of (but then I don't heal). After this pause, my daughter replies - in text - that she's a Templar and that's not even a Templar skill. Another pause. Then we get: "[snip], no one is running this skill (whatever it was)."

Keep in mind, this person hasn't even died yet. We keep going. Just that experience, with that attitude, has made the dungeon a lot less fun. Now we're just trying to get done. We move through the second boss quickly and another text appears. Now my daughter invites them again to get on Discord so we can explain what's going on. Again, no response.

We start up again, thinking everything's as okay as it's going to get, and here comes another text. Talk about a chair circle moment. We have to stop what we're doing and try to explain to this person why we can't do this thing they want us to do. At this point, my daughter is getting really frustrated, because of the "learn to play" responses we're getting from this person - and she's been on the game since day one.

Going into the final boss, the person drops off. They just quit. Fine. We manage to pull through - thanks to my daughter's healing - and we finish. It's okay. We have that conversation we've had a few dozen times about not using pugs ever again.

To be fair, I've had good experiences with pugs and picked up a few friends that way. But in the past few months the bad experiences have started to outweigh the good. Maybe I've learned enough about the game to realize that some of the advice people give in pug groups is just bad.

To answer the OP's question: it's not elitist to ask for a skill to be slotted. Ask away. You might not get the answer you want, though. And if you don't, try to improvise. (And by the way, building your character is such a way that you constantly need someone else to throw down a skill so you can sustain is probably not the best idea.)

What is elitiest - and annoying as hell - is to not to participate in a group. It's a group. It's not all about you. What can you do to help the group? That may include getting on Discord or TS so we can explain something to you without typing every detail out in chat. I know, the player may be shy, they may not like the sound of their voice, they may be hiding something - whatever - just get on and don't talk. But listen!!! Because that is really annoying.

Okay, rant over. Sorry.

Sorry for your confusion but I lol'd. So no resto staff skills then!?

What about war horn? Not a Templar skill.
Magelight?
Barrier?
Orbs?

There are lots of skills not from your class that you need to run as a matter of course.
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MLGProPlayer

Obligatory:

Dymence

Magdalina wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

JinMori wrote: »

And this is why you are not a good healer.
Healer has the role, of support in a group, which is why a good healer doesn't only heal.
Before talking avout things that you don't know, think twice.

A DPS shouldn't slot e le drain, that would go against their role in the group which is to do DPS.
If they have the buffs as. A part of the rotation then it's fine

We're talking about a PUG here.
The primary role of a healer is to HEAL.
Before using words you don't know, think twice.

Not everyone likes to play BiS and all optimized, and a healer is perfectly entitled to heal and not play the buffing machine.
The DPS are supposed to be somewhat autonomous (again, in a PUG) and are not entitled to have their numbers pushed by someone else sacrificing his own playstyle.

Guess why so many people at endgame report to be so bored (and blame it on ZOS) ? Because they all play the same way and impose that way onto others. In the end everyone play the same things, the same builds, the same rotations, the same strategies. That's why people get bored. If you don't have a healer with ele drain, then compensate some other way, think out the box, be creative, adapt. That way you won't get bored so quickly.

That's...not exactly how it works. Sure I can and usually do slot Drain for myself when I dps a pug(because healers either ignore questions about one or have no idea what that is and/or no destro staff). I also can and often do slot heals because healer usually doesn't know how to heal so I end up running Twilight in order to keep everyone up(starting with healer). I also can and sometimes do slot taunt because I tend to have better surviveability with 16k health than tanks do with 30-40k because I'm aware of existence of such complicated mechanics as block, dodge and bash whereas they are clearly not. And I still tend to pull like 60-80% dps in most pug groups(that while my actual dps is really mediocre atm) while doing all/half of that. That brings the question of why exactly do I need that rest of the group when I'm doing all of their roles better than they are yet they get offended if I try to offer them advice? This is not called having fun, this is called carrying. It can actually be fun sometimes, sure, but it gets old.

Yes, there always is the option to run only with friends. The question is, is the community really better off that way? Inexperienced players(let's call them that) run with inexperienced players, never learn anything, never improve and run into solid wall because there's content they simply cannot complete without adapting - which they both refuse to do and don't know how to do anyway. "Elitists" run with "elitists" and get called names because they don't want randoms in their groups, community gets split into 2 opposite parts with the gap between them ever growing. People pulling 3k dps and people pulling 60k dps. And those at 60k dps are yet working on improving their performance whereas those at 3k feel their performance is just fine but the game is simply too hard. Do you really like this environment? The "no I don't want to change anything for the sake of my group, I think you're a jerk for daring to suggest I do something differently, I will play the way I want, even if it costs our group 4 hours of wiping, and you can burn in hell if you don't like it" one?

Why is this attitude so common on these forums? Why is it always assumed that the person expressing...displeasure at someone's underperformance should be a saint, that it is his job to adapt and overcome, he should slot Drain, heals, taunt, shut up and solo the dungeon for poor little scared pricks who refuse to do as much as slot a single skill or write a single response in group chat? Why isn't it taken into consideration that given we're talking about a group activity perhaps THEY should adapt too?

This post is absolute gold and sums up pugging in ESO in a nutshell.

MehrunesFlagon

jbjondeaueb17_ESO wrote: »

Why should a healer necessarily slot Ele Drain, if the tank use the most used morph of 1h/s, penetration is assured, and healer can use radiant aura or siphon spirit. On global you'll have the same exact benefits.
You shouldn't neither assume that one skill is mandatory if you don't know what you're talking about.

9/10 out of ten they don't.

CountEdmondDantes

Mureel wrote: »

CountEdmondDantes wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

Remember that sometimes you can ask nicely of a healer to use ele drain and the group will kick you for "telling them how to play".

Projection.

People have to realize that "slotting something" isn't that easy. It may break an entire build or rotation. I don't accept those requests either.

Some healers focus on healing and not buffing (and imho they're right). Your PUG healer doesn't have to be a buffing machine and there should be nothing to ask or complain about as long as the group is kept alive.

Want ele drain ? Slot it yourself...

This right here. This.

Let me tell you about an experience I had about a month ago running a dungeon. Four person dungeon, three of us were running pre-CP characters and my daughter was the healer. She's got like 500+ CPs. We start, we're having fun, everything's going fine. Joking on Discord. This is what playing an MMO should be, right?

Then one of the others has to drop off - a phone call from a girl. Fine. We give him ten minutes, then we kick him. (It's okay, he knows our rules.) Now we pull in a pug player. Offer him/her discord info but they don't get on. We pick up and move on.

Suddenly, we get a text asking my daughter to slot a skill I frankly have never heard of (but then I don't heal). After this pause, my daughter replies - in text - that she's a Templar and that's not even a Templar skill. Another pause. Then we get: "[snip], no one is running this skill (whatever it was)."

Keep in mind, this person hasn't even died yet. We keep going. Just that experience, with that attitude, has made the dungeon a lot less fun. Now we're just trying to get done. We move through the second boss quickly and another text appears. Now my daughter invites them again to get on Discord so we can explain what's going on. Again, no response.

We start up again, thinking everything's as okay as it's going to get, and here comes another text. Talk about a chair circle moment. We have to stop what we're doing and try to explain to this person why we can't do this thing they want us to do. At this point, my daughter is getting really frustrated, because of the "learn to play" responses we're getting from this person - and she's been on the game since day one.

Going into the final boss, the person drops off. They just quit. Fine. We manage to pull through - thanks to my daughter's healing - and we finish. It's okay. We have that conversation we've had a few dozen times about not using pugs ever again.

To be fair, I've had good experiences with pugs and picked up a few friends that way. But in the past few months the bad experiences have started to outweigh the good. Maybe I've learned enough about the game to realize that some of the advice people give in pug groups is just bad.

To answer the OP's question: it's not elitist to ask for a skill to be slotted. Ask away. You might not get the answer you want, though. And if you don't, try to improvise. (And by the way, building your character is such a way that you constantly need someone else to throw down a skill so you can sustain is probably not the best idea.)

What is elitiest - and annoying as hell - is to not to participate in a group. It's a group. It's not all about you. What can you do to help the group? That may include getting on Discord or TS so we can explain something to you without typing every detail out in chat. I know, the player may be shy, they may not like the sound of their voice, they may be hiding something - whatever - just get on and don't talk. But listen!!! Because that is really annoying.

Okay, rant over. Sorry.

Sorry for your confusion but I lol'd. So no resto staff skills then!?

What about war horn? Not a Templar skill.
Magelight?
Barrier?
Orbs?

There are lots of skills not from your class that you need to run as a matter of course.

Sorry for you confusion. If I recall, the player was asking for a Warden skill and my daughter - as I said clearly - was a Templar.

As to your response, I actually have no idea how someone would run a healer without resto staff skills. Obviously, my daughter had a resto staff - and resto staff skills, etc. That said, I'm sure there is someone out there who's tried.

If that's not what you're asking, then I have no idea what your post is about.
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KochDerDamonen

It's also elitist to ask if everyone's done a fight before, and provide tips/explanations of mechanics.

Or to explain that one needs AoE spells to deal with packs of mobs.

Or to ask if everyone has food/drink (obviously, we know who doesn't because of a buff tracker. Just have to pretend you don't know so there's a better chance you won't get screeched at)

Really, anything short of dead silence or absolute praise is elitism, pls stop being elitist. Those are also elitist if I'm in a bad mood and perceive your silence as intentional, or the praise as sarcastic, by the way.

Trashkan

My favorite kind of healer does 2 things for me that's run the almighty SPC and heal me for days. Nothing else is required but power heals baby!!!!! I'll run that else drain on my dps if it I notice Magika issues.

RizaHawkeye

CountEdmondDantes wrote: »

Mureel wrote: »

CountEdmondDantes wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

Remember that sometimes you can ask nicely of a healer to use ele drain and the group will kick you for "telling them how to play".

Projection.

People have to realize that "slotting something" isn't that easy. It may break an entire build or rotation. I don't accept those requests either.

Some healers focus on healing and not buffing (and imho they're right). Your PUG healer doesn't have to be a buffing machine and there should be nothing to ask or complain about as long as the group is kept alive.

Want ele drain ? Slot it yourself...

This right here. This.

Let me tell you about an experience I had about a month ago running a dungeon. Four person dungeon, three of us were running pre-CP characters and my daughter was the healer. She's got like 500+ CPs. We start, we're having fun, everything's going fine. Joking on Discord. This is what playing an MMO should be, right?

Then one of the others has to drop off - a phone call from a girl. Fine. We give him ten minutes, then we kick him. (It's okay, he knows our rules.) Now we pull in a pug player. Offer him/her discord info but they don't get on. We pick up and move on.

Suddenly, we get a text asking my daughter to slot a skill I frankly have never heard of (but then I don't heal). After this pause, my daughter replies - in text - that she's a Templar and that's not even a Templar skill. Another pause. Then we get: "[snip], no one is running this skill (whatever it was)."

Keep in mind, this person hasn't even died yet. We keep going. Just that experience, with that attitude, has made the dungeon a lot less fun. Now we're just trying to get done. We move through the second boss quickly and another text appears. Now my daughter invites them again to get on Discord so we can explain what's going on. Again, no response.

We start up again, thinking everything's as okay as it's going to get, and here comes another text. Talk about a chair circle moment. We have to stop what we're doing and try to explain to this person why we can't do this thing they want us to do. At this point, my daughter is getting really frustrated, because of the "learn to play" responses we're getting from this person - and she's been on the game since day one.

Going into the final boss, the person drops off. They just quit. Fine. We manage to pull through - thanks to my daughter's healing - and we finish. It's okay. We have that conversation we've had a few dozen times about not using pugs ever again.

To be fair, I've had good experiences with pugs and picked up a few friends that way. But in the past few months the bad experiences have started to outweigh the good. Maybe I've learned enough about the game to realize that some of the advice people give in pug groups is just bad.

To answer the OP's question: it's not elitist to ask for a skill to be slotted. Ask away. You might not get the answer you want, though. And if you don't, try to improvise. (And by the way, building your character is such a way that you constantly need someone else to throw down a skill so you can sustain is probably not the best idea.)

What is elitiest - and annoying as hell - is to not to participate in a group. It's a group. It's not all about you. What can you do to help the group? That may include getting on Discord or TS so we can explain something to you without typing every detail out in chat. I know, the player may be shy, they may not like the sound of their voice, they may be hiding something - whatever - just get on and don't talk. But listen!!! Because that is really annoying.

Okay, rant over. Sorry.

Sorry for your confusion but I lol'd. So no resto staff skills then!?

What about war horn? Not a Templar skill.
Magelight?
Barrier?
Orbs?

There are lots of skills not from your class that you need to run as a matter of course.

Sorry for you confusion. If I recall, the player was asking for a Warden skill and my daughter - as I said clearly - was a Templar.

As to your response, I actually have no idea how someone would run a healer without resto staff skills. Obviously, my daughter had a resto staff - and resto staff skills, etc. That said, I'm sure there is someone out there who's tried.

If that's not what you're asking, then I have no idea what your post is about.

I remember that group. Was it CoH? I want to say it was CoH.

Yeah, whoever it was wanted the Warden skill that gives spell crit. Why, I have no idea because there's a lot better ways to get spell crit if you need it. Which we tried to explain to him for 15 f-ing minutes. Truly. And in the end we were like 'just stay close and we'll get you through it.' And that's when we got attitude.

The rules are simple: treat people the way you want to be treated. You want people to treat you like a jerk, then carry on that way. That's why the game has an ignore button.
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Taleof2Cities

Threads that can trigger both elitists and self-proclaimed armchair DPS experts are rare ...

GawdSB

You could always just slot it yourself and do it..

zaria

KochDerDamonen wrote: »

It's also elitist to ask if everyone's done a fight before, and provide tips/explanations of mechanics.

Or to explain that one needs AoE spells to deal with packs of mobs.

Or to ask if everyone has food/drink (obviously, we know who doesn't because of a buff tracker. Just have to pretend you don't know so there's a better chance you won't get screeched at)

Really, anything short of dead silence or absolute praise is elitism, pls stop being elitist. Those are also elitist if I'm in a bad mood and perceive your silence as intentional, or the praise as sarcastic, by the way.

No, and far to often players don't learn because its so many high level in dungeons you simply burn everything.
Add that people has different tactics, this tend to be play it safe or burn and ignore ads, latest is an dps check.
Stack on boss inside stupid is another who is an healer check.

AoE should be pretty obvious public dungeons would show you

its easy to have food run out, so its smart to tell, if you don't use addons for it and hide bars by default its easy to miss.

Cadbury

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Threads that can trigger both elitists and self-proclaimed armchair DPS experts are rare ...

It's rather heartwarming in a way.

grannas211

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

Remember that sometimes you can ask nicely of a healer to use ele drain and the group will kick you for "telling them how to play".

Projection.

People have to realize that "slotting something" isn't that easy. It may break an entire build or rotation. I don't accept those requests either.

Some healers focus on healing and not buffing (and imho they're right). Your PUG healer doesn't have to be a buffing machine and there should be nothing to ask or complain about as long as the group is kept alive.

Want ele drain ? Slot it yourself...

If all you're doing is purely healing you're not near as effective as you could be. You should be doing both. Elemental drain, combat prayer and warhorn aren't things that "break a rotation" of a healer. They're staples.

Betsararie

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

Remember that sometimes you can ask nicely of a healer to use ele drain and the group will kick you for "telling them how to play".

Projection.

Ironically the healer not slotting ele drain when it is pivotal to the group's success or the group is requesting it of them I s actually grounds to kick the healer.

Dymence

Reading all the entitled healers complain about how we should for some reason be grateful with JUST their healing and appreciate them standing in the dungeon like a freaking statue is the reason I run shields and self heals when I pug.

When it's too hard for you to contribute anything outside of heals then your healing is probably not good enough either.

Magdalina

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Magdalina wrote: »

This is not called having fun, this is called carrying. It can actually be fun sometimes, sure, but it gets old.

Let's make one thing clear here @Magdalina : I don't know you ingame but I've read enough of your posts here to know that you're no elitist, and that you do everything so that people are happy while playing together.

That being said, if you find yourself too often in PUGs carrying other people up to a point that it's no fun anymore, stop pugging. People won't change. Complaining won't change. Offering help and advice, depending on the tone, will help, but only to a certain extent. If it's no fun to you anymore, stop pugging.

Haha well, thanks I guess?

Don't worry, I'm pugging - and generally playing - significantly less lately, mostly just doing housing tbh. The question of whether or not pugs are better off without my advices stays open though By the way, I do usually ask about Drain because it's vital for me, like many other magicka dps. I'd probably word it something like "<healer>, do you have Ele Drain?", would ask them to slot it if not, then when if they don't have/want it, slot it myself and be silently pissed at the healer. Is it that much nicer than what OP said? Idk, but has it really come to that? To thinking whether or not one's request of a feature vital for your group's success was nice enough to not hurt one's feelings? I mean, I'm all for being nice, but it's a *** group dungeon, to what extent should this "not hurt one's feelings" spread then? Is it rude to ask a tank to slot a taunt? I suppose that could also be seen as being demanding in regards to their preferred playstyle. To ask a healer to slot heals? To ask 12k health person in vet dungeon to eat food? To say that we need more dps after we fail a dps check because group dps is a whopping 10k? Is it also wrong to explain mechanics to them for fear of making them feel new, clueless and useless(which they are when they don't know mechanics)?

Ideally, I wish there was a way for those two groups to play together, but in practice and after three years "experience" in this game, I've come to the conclusion that it's not possible. The game population is, as a matter of fact, split between players who want to be good, be the best they can, and people who enjoy playing around with fun builds, scenery and flower-picking. And those two groups should not mix. Mixing them in groups doesn't work, mixing them in guilds doesn't work. Playing together doesn't work.

I don't agree with this. Perhaps I'm being idealistic but I don't think this is how it is or how it should be at least. Everyone is different and free to enjoy different things, but the real split here isn't casual vs elitist, it's just...let's call it sensible people and non sensible. Sensible people undertstand that when they're participating in a group activity their "play how you want" gets pitted against 3(or 11) other people's "play how you want", therefore some communication and adapting is likely in order. If they happen to be experienced players, they will slow down for newbies and try to explain mechanics and stuff to them if it's needed, and possibly they will pull more than just their weight - but that's okay too, long as other people are at least trying. If they're unexperienced, maybe they'll underperform and end up carried, but at the very least they will try to follow advices in order for the group to succeed, even if their preferred playstyle is fishing and it's their first and last dungeon ever.

Non sensible people are those that drop group/kick people at being told/asked to change something for their group's sake, the wannabe elitists that call people names for doing a vet dungeon at <160 cp, the tanks that tell you to mind your own business when politely asked to not run all the mobs out of all the aoes, the people who'd rather die 57 times in a row than bash a boss/close a pinion after being explained the mechanics 56 times, the 3k dps that trash talk you for offering advice...the list goes on but I'm sure you get the idea. They can be so called "elite" or so called "casuals", the problem isn't their "leetness" or lack of one, it's the "me, me, only me and MY way" attitude.

This is a people issue but it's also an ESO and Zenimax issue because currently they're doing everything in their power to ENCOURAGE this attitude. We did not have THAT a huge gap between players back at launch/Craglorn days, and there were more ways to cross the gap that we did have. More importantly, underperforming players were at least aware of them underperforming usually and as such were less opposed to constructive suggestions. Now...They've sped up leveling, removed all traces of learning curve from base game itself, did everything they could to hide information about how things work and conceal one's imperfections as a player, yet left/added content that is not doable without knowledge on how it all works. I'm not sure if they're deliberately trying to ruin their game or they really are blind enough to not see the issue(s) this all is causing.

FearlessOne_2014

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

I literally said "Can healer use ele drain on boss fights pls" EXACT words and was kicked. Not a single mob was killed yet. However sure. Meh.

If that's the exact wording, and you hadn't even started the dungeon yet, then sorry but I can understand why they kicked you.
Why not wait and see first what's available, how people play ?
If they were newbies or insecure in any way, your demand was very likely to scare them.
Also, someone starting that way is likely to demand and complain during the whole dungeon.
If you want an optimized group, don't PUG.

Also, if instead of kicking you, they would have politely answered "no, I prefer to keep my bars as they are", what would you have done ?

Max pen, smoother run, faster run.
Scare them? Asking to use a skill?...
Assuming again.
You idea of optimised is someone using a single skill that was asked for?

If they said that I would of laughed irl.

If a tank does not taunt is he just "not optimised"?
If a healer just heals and does not buff and does not dps are they just "not optimised"?
If a dps just light attacks are they just "not optimised"?

Dont worry I will show myself the elitist door for asking someone to use a SINGLE skill lol..

You forget this is the year of 2017. You are not allowed to help others. If you do, you may be up on the chopping block. And if you are DPS.... I really feel for you.

Best option is to not PUG. Leave the randoms forever wondering why they can't even clear normal DLC dungeons. If you do PUG, don't queue as DPS. Have healer set/load out for magicka based characters, and tank set/load out for your stamina based characters. This way if things are looking somewhat edgy at first trash pull, you can book and be back in that dungeon in 15 to 20 mins rather then 2 hours.