Next time you scream elitist.

Hortator Indoril Nerevar

Lexynide wrote: »

Magdalina wrote: »

I fail to grasp their logic I'm afraid. It escapes me why someone seemingly reasonable and intelligent would be so deadset on defending the "hardcore casual", aka "burn in hell but I will not adapt for you/my team" style and going as far as basically say "progression is bad because it makes people not progressing feel bad"

The issue here is a bit deeper than just plain "being a hardcore casual". There is a whole set of twisted definitions that in the end result into "what I say matters, what you say doesn't" and overall attitude of "my way or the highway".
It was repeatedly stated that there were no demands, no arguing and no insults - just a simple, harmless request that was met with hostility - and it was ignored.
It's the whole "only my feelings matter" kind of mentality that is creating the trouble. OP did not request something that has no use to anybody except him - everyone in group benefits from improved performance of every single member, including the aforementioned healer. You can't just go and claim that OP is egoistic because he only asked for a good thing for the entire group, all 4 members of it.

Aenthel wrote: »

But really, "pls", it is just beggars talk, or 5 year-olds, so yea, certainly I'd not go as far as kicking you, per say, but I'd make sure that you would die at least once every boss, pureply for no reason other than I can.

Petty? Yes, certainly. Afterall manners are important. Heck, I'd even accept "Hey, do you have ele drain slotted" or something. But straight away saying "slot ele drain pls" is just, yup, that's right, annoying.

That's quite sad. We have come to a point where the very words of politeness mean nothing to some people. Like a spoiled kids they demand special treatment for no reason and common courtesy is nothing to them. And you're ready to go as far as to deliberately wipe someone because he wasn't "polite" enough.
Perhaps more people should just outright command what to do to people like you and not even waste time trying to be polite. Sometimes people understand the value of things that they had only when they lose them.

Its even worse than that. I am saying the exact same word but "pls" not "please" and thats enough to make him want to kill me over and over.

So to EVERYONE who said before "No one would kick someone for saying this unless he did MORE, Obviously"... just look at this person. This person by his own admission should be enough to make you realise that these aliens do exist.

VvardeFellow

Is this a statement of a hypothetical situation? An incomplete sentence? A random thought? A rant? What is it? Folks shouldn't have to read between the lines or assume they know what you mean.

Quaesivi

There is a difference between not being polite "enough" and not being polite at all, his version is definitely not polite, it is demanding, which is the issue here that one might find.

And about the vet trials thing, the first and only time I did was when they first came out, so yea, they took hours couse nobody knew what the hell anyone was supposed to do. And you know, real life, things, stuff like that.

But the most fun part of it all is trolling, fairly, and besides I admitted to being petty, which is the fun part of healing, to get me through those tough parts of sitting back.

But all in all, I rarely run into this much problematic pugs, so I'm kinda assuming this is more of an NA issue, for pug part at least.

Dantaria

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

I'm not discussing here for the pleasure to bug you. The gap between good/bad players (whatever ppl call it) is an increasingly growing problem and I'd like people to discuss it in a constructive manner.

LOL. Just LOL. You made all effort in the world to defend hardcore play-how-you-want crowd and then ultimately made your whole point invalid.

So "the gap between good/bad players" is a problem. Well, breaking news - in the current state of the game you learn from other players.

You learn exactly from requests "Heal pls use Ele Drain on bosses" from high-level players. If you're low-lvl and you PUG normal and you see medium-high CP player who asks for a skill you maybe never heard of... Well, sure, you can kick them. Or you can start solving the problem of "the gap between good/bad players" by asking 'What is this and why should I slot it? Sorry, new to healing'. Surpriiiiiiiiiise! In vast majority of cases you will end up with nice explanation. In many cases you will also end up with additional information about penetration and resource management ('Oh, btw, if you ever want to do endgame content, you might start leveling Undaunted for Orbs').

The gap between good and bad players is reduced by communication between good and bad players. 'Heal pls slot Ele Drain'. 'Tank pls don't kite boss, you take him out of my dots, so i can't dmg'. 'Tank pls slot grip so you can stack those pesky adds'...

If good players stay silent, the gap will only grow. So what do you want in the end, hmm? To solve the problem of the gap? Well, then sorry. We will ask you to slot Ele Drain/Talons/Warhorn/etc. Or was it just said to appear more tolerant? Well, duh then.

Horowonnoe

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Magdalina wrote: »

This is not called having fun, this is called carrying. It can actually be fun sometimes, sure, but it gets old.

Let's make one thing clear here @Magdalina : I don't know you ingame but I've read enough of your posts here to know that you're no elitist, and that you do everything so that people are happy while playing together.

That being said, if you find yourself too often in PUGs carrying other people up to a point that it's no fun anymore, stop pugging. People won't change. Complaining won't change. Offering help and advice, depending on the tone, will help, but only to a certain extent. If it's no fun to you anymore, stop pugging.

Magdalina wrote: »

Yes, there always is the option to run only with friends. The question is, is the community really better off that way?

Ideally, I wish there was a way for those two groups to play together, but in practice and after three years "experience" in this game, I've come to the conclusion that it's not possible. The game population is, as a matter of fact, split between players who want to be good, be the best they can, and people who enjoy playing around with fun builds, scenery and flower-picking. And those two groups should not mix. Mixing them in groups doesn't work, mixing them in guilds doesn't work. Playing together doesn't work.

Don't worry, players who want to get good always find their way to people like you to help them getting good.

Thats funny, before you said its understandable to kick someone for asking a healer to use ele drain before starting the dungeon.. even if they say please.

Yet now its ok to offer advice if you are nice which I assume includes asking someone to use a skill if you say pls.

Hmm.

I would probably wait until we kill the first boss and see how it goes. If it is a dlc dungeon and i am doing most of the dps and notice there is no ele, i might ask the healer to apply it then. But imo its too early to start asking things before anything is even killed. Maybe the healer is the best healer on the server leveling their new toon? Gotta wait and see at least the first mobs.

Arizona_Steve

All this talk of kicking and elitism is why I have never tried a group dungeon. I don't consider myself a good player by any stretch of the imagination - I play this game for fun and don't spend my time min/maxing, practicing rotations and poring over spreadsheets.

paulsimonps

I love this thread, its pure fricking gold. I remember I once suggested to a healer that perhaps instead of remembrance he could use Nova in the dungeon, a simple suggestion, would have happily gone forward with him using that ulti. He responded with: "Are you telling me how to play?" I said "Kinda?" in a confused manner. He instantly left the group. I laughed so fricking hard after that.

@Lexynide Thank you for that amazing post you did a few comments ago


Kicking someone for asking if they can run one of the best support skills in the game is ludicrous. Even a response with "No, if you want it do it yourself" or "I use Siphon Spirit" would have been better than kicking someone like that.

Play how you want has a huge fricking limit to it. If you go in as a tank with light armor and 2 bows you would be the biggest A hole I know, if you do it intentionally knowing how bad that is. You should be the best you can for your team, not force people to carry you, I am all for helping new people learn and such but there is a limit to what can be and should be carried.

ShadowMole25

Dantaria wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

I'm not discussing here for the pleasure to bug you. The gap between good/bad players (whatever ppl call it) is an increasingly growing problem and I'd like people to discuss it in a constructive manner.

LOL. Just LOL. You made all effort in the world to defend hardcore play-how-you-want crowd and then ultimately made your whole point invalid.

So "the gap between good/bad players" is a problem. Well, breaking news - in the current state of the game you learn from other players.

You learn exactly from requests "Heal pls use Ele Drain on bosses" from high-level players. If you're low-lvl and you PUG normal and you see medium-high CP player who asks for a skill you maybe never heard of... Well, sure, you can kick them. Or you can start solving the problem of "the gap between good/bad players" by asking 'What is this and why should I slot it? Sorry, new to healing'. Surpriiiiiiiiiise! In vast majority of cases you will end up with nice explanation. In many cases you will also end up with additional information about penetration and resource management ('Oh, btw, if you ever want to do endgame content, you might start leveling Undaunted for Orbs').

The gap between good and bad players is reduced by communication between good and bad players. 'Heal pls slot Ele Drain'. 'Tank pls don't kite boss, you take him out of my dots, so i can't dmg'. 'Tank pls slot grip so you can stack those pesky adds'...

If good players stay silent, the gap will only grow. So what do you want in the end, hmm? To solve the problem of the gap? Well, then sorry. We will ask you to slot Ele Drain/Talons/Warhorn/etc. Or was it just said to appear more tolerant? Well, duh then.

Then maybe the good players should ask ahead of time if anyone would like an explanation of the mechanics and explain certain things, otherwise it comes off as being demanding even if you say pls. Instead of 'Tank pls don't kite boss, you take him out of my dots, so i can't dmg', try 'Tank try to keep the boss still, so that I can hit him with dots, otherwise he isn't going to die faster enough and will kill us all'.

Dantaria

ShadowMole25 wrote: »

Instead of 'Tank pls don't kite boss, you take him out of my dots, so i can't dmg', try 'Tank try to keep the boss still, so that I can hit him with dots, otherwise he isn't going to die faster enough and will kill us all'.

Really? I, DD, have to explain that if "i can't dmg" the boss will not die fast enough?

There is like... absolutely no difference between these two sentences.

You know what? Other peoples' unflattering interpretations of my words, other peoples' unflattering interpretations of my intentions, other peoples'... holy hell... burning desire to be offended are not my problem. Period.

KochDerDamonen

I love that this thread is still running.

I also love how much effort some folks on this forum put into trying to convince themselves and others that there is not a large amount of folks playing this game that have no intention of communicating with their team in the slightest. I PUG'd just about every pledge for something like a year of my time playing ESO, as a healer.

I went through all the phases, spamming BoL, spamming Healing Springs, discovering HoTs and also spamming those in there, realizing that that's all way too much healing and adding a destro staff for some light AoE damage and buffs, to finally giving and doing some PvP to get warhorn. Along the way I had a lot of DDs ask me to use this or that, or do some such thing in plenty rude enough ways including name calling and outright leaving after dropping off their complaints. Also including setting down everything we were doing to properly find the problem and solve it, or them just moving on and carrying my behind. Along the way I learned what classes provide what buffs on their own, what spells certain classes tend to want the most, when to let the Stamplar use their own repentance (when it was relevant), what sets I can get away with using, to carry excess food and potions for the under-prepared. I came to the point where I would be the one stopping a dungeon to go craft someone new gear, just to get through it someone's first time.

^ All of that is entirely useless when you meet the one(or whole group of) silent or antisocial PUGs who won't respond to a question, who won't accept a mild request, who will refuse a basic tip. Who will respond to any of that with not just silence, or refusal, but with raw upset. "I play how I want" "OMG I'm not meta!!"

Don't dillude yourselves into thinking one has to be rude to illicit these responses in PUGs. Anything shy of being silent along with the group is a sin to someone. Just let the run turn into a circus show, if someone asks for help you may as well immediately drop group and add that person to a new run. Even if you can't find another group, I can almost guarantee you'll have an easier time trying to duo whatever dungeon you're doing with the inquisitive player than you would with them + two meatbags to rez every 20 seconds.

anitajoneb17_ESO

Lexynide wrote: »

Because then people will never want to PUG since everybody will be terrible. No one would even think of using group finder if chance of finding a somewhat decent player was next to impossible. And nobody would do group content except selected few of elites, and trials would be shut closed for anyone that isn't one of your friends or other elites. You don't think even one step ahead, do you?

Do you REALLY mean you're sacrificing yourself by PUGging instead of running with your friends, for the good of the overall community, which wouldn't survive without you PUGging just for them, for their own good ?

By all means, stop it. Thanks but no thanks. Really. There's no need. Just don't. We'll manage. Bye...

jwalker524

Wow... just read this whole thread while installing the game. Think I may just stick to Skyrim no matter how cool a multiplayer Elderscrolls game sounds... had the game for a while, messed around up to like 20 or so at one point, thought of maybe giving it a real go this time... but man, seems like a new player would just be eviscerated and have to deal with a crapton of drama just for trying to learn...

In an MMO you can't just "do what you want" but getting pissed at people and causing a scene when they might legit just not understand or know how things work yet... eh, I'll go back to single player stuff.

Thanks all for convincing me not to finish the install of the game.

Cheers.

Lexynide

Aenthel wrote: »

There is a difference between not being polite "enough" and not being polite at all, his version is definitely not polite, it is demanding, which is the issue here that one might find.

Let's take apart the whole "Can the healer slot ele drain pls" message, shall we?

• First thing we see right of the start is "can" - an auxiliary verb, commonly indicating possibility, a request for permission, or generally a request. You notice something? It's not an order - it's a request with certain probability of happening. You can or cannot do the requested thing, you can accept or decline. Nobody is telling you to necessarily do it. If you decline - sure no problem, nobody is ordering you to do anything.
• Next thing we see is "the healer" - again, nothing offensive, a general addressing to a person of certain role. Nobody said "hey, you, that stupid guy with the staff" or anything offensive.
• And then finally we have "please" - in case "can" wasn't enough to give conditional mood to the whole sentence, this is pretty much nails it down. An additional layer of "possibility" and "not pushing the person to do it".

Yet here you are saying that "there was nothing polite in what he said, it's just pure rudeness and demanding".
You know what a rude demanding would sound like? Like this: "hey you, loser, slot the damn drain". Yep, this is what rudeness actually sounds like. Not like what you imagine it to be in that clearly spoiled vision of yours.

Dantaria wrote: »

LOL. Just LOL. You made all effort in the world to defend hardcore play-how-you-want crowd and then ultimately made your whole point invalid.

Actually it happened right after she said "I don't run with PUGs when I'm not sure I can do it alone, I got friends to help me". If she has a lot of friends helping her with group content then I'm not exactly sure why she is even speaking for the PUGs in first place. She simply has no need for learning the game and for some reason advocates for others to follow her example of... I'm not even sure what. Becoming a scrub friend of few elitists that can carry her through group content because she has the privilege to not bother with getting good I guess?

KochDerDamonen

jwalker524 wrote: »

Wow... just read this whole thread while installing the game. Think I may just stick to Skyrim no matter how cool a multiplayer Elderscrolls game sounds... had the game for a while, messed around up to like 20 or so at one point, thought of maybe giving it a real go this time... but man, seems like a new player would just be eviscerated and have to deal with a crapton of drama just for trying to learn...

In an MMO you can't just "do what you want" but getting pissed at people and causing a scene when they might legit just not understand or know how things work yet... eh, I'll go back to single player stuff.

Thanks all for convincing me not to finish the install of the game.

Cheers.

@walker524 No one has done any screaming at new players in this thread. People will absolutely love you, if whilst playing your response to a request or bit of advice isn't "Don't speak to me elitist sssscum!!!1!" or silence.

Arizona_Steve wrote: »

All this talk of kicking and elitism is why I have never tried a group dungeon. I don't consider myself a good player by any stretch of the imagination - I play this game for fun and don't spend my time min/maxing, practicing rotations and poring over spreadsheets.

@Arizona_Steve (when the topic of the thread is getting kicked over nothing more than asking a person if they can use a particular spell, and has nothing to do with min/maxing or being elitist towards anyone)

sevomd69

To OP... i think it might have been better if your question would have been (after the first pull)..."Are any of you running Ele Drain?" then proceed with line of questioning from there... For all you know they might have all been running Ele Drain... but how would you know that since, you didn't even get to the first mobs?

Hortator Indoril Nerevar

Lexynide wrote: »

Aenthel wrote: »

There is a difference between not being polite "enough" and not being polite at all, his version is definitely not polite, it is demanding, which is the issue here that one might find.

Let's take apart the whole "Can the healer slot ele drain pls" message, shall we?

• First thing we see right of the start is "can" - an auxiliary verb, commonly indicating possibility, a request for permission, or generally a request. You notice something? It's not an order - it's a request with certain probability of happening. You can or cannot do the requested thing, you can accept or decline. Nobody is telling you to necessarily do it. If you decline - sure no problem, nobody is ordering you to do anything.
• Next thing we see is "the healer" - again, nothing offensive, a general addressing to a person of certain role. Nobody said "hey, you, that stupid guy with the staff" or anything offensive.
• And then finally we have "please" - in case "can" wasn't enough to give conditional mood to the whole sentence, this is pretty much nails it down. An additional layer of "possibility" and "not pushing the person to do it".

Yet here you are saying that "there was nothing polite in what he said, it's just pure rudeness and demanding".
You know what a rude demanding would sound like? Like this: "hey you, loser, slot the damn drain". Yep, this is what rudeness actually sounds like. Not like what you imagine it to be in that clearly spoiled vision of yours.

Dantaria wrote: »

LOL. Just LOL. You made all effort in the world to defend hardcore play-how-you-want crowd and then ultimately made your whole point invalid.

Actually it happened right after she said "I don't run with PUGs when I'm not sure I can do it alone, I got friends to help me". If she has a lot of friends helping her with group content then I'm not exactly sure why she is even speaking for the PUGs in first place. She simply has no need for learning the game and for some reason advocates for others to follow her example of... I'm not even sure what. Becoming a scrub friend of few elitists that can carry her through group content because she has the privilege to not bother with getting good I guess?

You are awesome.

sevomd69 wrote: »

To OP... i think it might have been better if your question would have been (after the first pull)..."Are any of you running Ele Drain?" then proceed with line of questioning from there... For all you know they might have all been running Ele Drain... but how would you know that since, you didn't even get to the first mobs?

Besides the point. I asked PRE boss fight. Nothing wrong with that. IF they have it they say already got it on. If they dont they either put it on or dont. It was a simple question asked nicely.

People are so *** sensitive. If I am told to use a different skill that helps the group I dont have a sook... simple..

Lexynide

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Lexynide wrote: »

Because then people will never want to PUG since everybody will be terrible. No one would even think of using group finder if chance of finding a somewhat decent player was next to impossible. And nobody would do group content except selected few of elites, and trials would be shut closed for anyone that isn't one of your friends or other elites. You don't think even one step ahead, do you?

Do you REALLY mean you're sacrificing yourself by PUGging instead of running with your friends, for the good of the overall community, which wouldn't survive without you PUGging just for them, for their own good ?

By all means, stop it. Thanks but no thanks. Really. There's no need. Just don't. We'll manage. Bye...

I'm not even sure what you were trying to say, you completely missed the point and all I see is...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KquFZYi6L0
Maybe you should take a break and come back when you're a little less nervous, you hasten too much

jwalker524 wrote: »

Wow... just read this whole thread while installing the game. Think I may just stick to Skyrim no matter how cool a multiplayer Elderscrolls game sounds... had the game for a while, messed around up to like 20 or so at one point, thought of maybe giving it a real go this time... but man, seems like a new player would just be eviscerated and have to deal with a crapton of drama just for trying to learn...

In an MMO you can't just "do what you want" but getting pissed at people and causing a scene when they might legit just not understand or know how things work yet... eh, I'll go back to single player stuff.

Thanks all for convincing me not to finish the install of the game.

Cheers.

I'm sorry that you've been so negatively influenced by this thread, but I can understand why. Anyone would lose a wish to play a game where people think that social interaction should be some sort of rocket science requiring one to have psychiatrist level of social skills™ because someone's wishes are more "fair" than the others'.

sevomd69

sevomd69 wrote: »

To OP... i think it might have been better if your question would have been (after the first pull)..."Are any of you running Ele Drain?" then proceed with line of questioning from there... For all you know they might have all been running Ele Drain... but how would you know that since, you didn't even get to the first mobs?

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

Besides the point. I asked PRE boss fight. Nothing wrong with that. IF they have it they say already got it on. If they dont they either put it on or dont. It was a simple question asked nicely.

People are so *** sensitive. If I am told to use a different skill that helps the group I dont have a sook... simple..

My point being... What are the reasons for your wanting Ele Drain slotted... for Pen? for Mag Steal? If tank was running pierce armor then pen is taken care of... if someone else is running a templar then maybe they're running aura (which is an AOE magsteal)... so as I was saying it might have been better if you had waited to start the dungeon... instead of asking for a certain skill, that might be "perceived" as a demand...

Hortator Indoril Nerevar

Lexynide wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Lexynide wrote: »

Because then people will never want to PUG since everybody will be terrible. No one would even think of using group finder if chance of finding a somewhat decent player was next to impossible. And nobody would do group content except selected few of elites, and trials would be shut closed for anyone that isn't one of your friends or other elites. You don't think even one step ahead, do you?

Do you REALLY mean you're sacrificing yourself by PUGging instead of running with your friends, for the good of the overall community, which wouldn't survive without you PUGging just for them, for their own good ?

By all means, stop it. Thanks but no thanks. Really. There's no need. Just don't. We'll manage. Bye...

I'm not even sure what you were trying to say, you completely missed the point and all I see is...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KquFZYi6L0
Maybe you should take a break and come back when you're a little less nervous, you hasten too much

jwalker524 wrote: »

Wow... just read this whole thread while installing the game. Think I may just stick to Skyrim no matter how cool a multiplayer Elderscrolls game sounds... had the game for a while, messed around up to like 20 or so at one point, thought of maybe giving it a real go this time... but man, seems like a new player would just be eviscerated and have to deal with a crapton of drama just for trying to learn...

In an MMO you can't just "do what you want" but getting pissed at people and causing a scene when they might legit just not understand or know how things work yet... eh, I'll go back to single player stuff.

Thanks all for convincing me not to finish the install of the game.

Cheers.

I'm sorry that you've been so negatively influenced by this thread, but I can understand why. Anyone would lose a wish to play a game where people think that social interaction should be some sort of rocket science requiring one to have psychiatrist level of social skills™ because someone's wishes are more "fair" than the others'.

Careful, Anitajoneb17_eso is now saying I am playing the victim.
It can join the list of anti social, unable to socialise, unable to say hello when first meeting people, unable to ask nicely, unable to be grateful, i'm rude, ask too much of people and probably more in which he has found out about me by a very very limited amount of information.

If he can get into my brain so perfectly he may be able to get into yours. Careful.

Hortator Indoril Nerevar

sevomd69 wrote: »

sevomd69 wrote: »

To OP... i think it might have been better if your question would have been (after the first pull)..."Are any of you running Ele Drain?" then proceed with line of questioning from there... For all you know they might have all been running Ele Drain... but how would you know that since, you didn't even get to the first mobs?

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

Besides the point. I asked PRE boss fight. Nothing wrong with that. IF they have it they say already got it on. If they dont they either put it on or dont. It was a simple question asked nicely.

People are so *** sensitive. If I am told to use a different skill that helps the group I dont have a sook... simple..

My point being... What are the reasons for your wanting Ele Drain slotted... for Pen? for Mag Steal? If tank was running pierce armor then pen is taken care of... if someone else is running a templar then maybe they're running aura (which is an AOE magsteal)... so as I was saying it might have been better if you had waited to start the dungeon... instead of asking for a certain skill, that might be "perceived" as a demand...

Next time I will wait until the final boss dies, maybe I will ask before I am in the group with them at all. You know its a very VERY touchy subject and asking someone to slot a skill can hospitalise someone..

ShadowMole25

Dantaria wrote: »

ShadowMole25 wrote: »

Instead of 'Tank pls don't kite boss, you take him out of my dots, so i can't dmg', try 'Tank try to keep the boss still, so that I can hit him with dots, otherwise he isn't going to die faster enough and will kill us all'.

Really? I, DD, have to explain that if "i can't dmg" the boss will not die fast enough?

There is like... absolutely no difference between these two sentences.

You know what? Other peoples' unflattering interpretations of my words, other peoples' unflattering interpretations of my intentions, other peoples'... holy hell... burning desire to be offended are not my problem. Period.

Okay, so I'll admit that my suggestion isn't the best, but you could mention ahead of time that your dots are area based rather than single target. This will help the tank to plan and you might not have to say something during the fight. What you would sounds like you are blaming the tank for not understanding what skills you are using.

Jhalin

Looking at this thread reminds me of a "tank" who runs Imperium and Undaunted Bastion, who proceeded to *** at us for telling him he couldn't tank Trials with that. He also didn't bother keeping up taunts or holding the boss still in AoEs.

But I guess that's just his playstyle, right?

If nothing else all the pseudo-healers in here show that I'm actually really good at my job.

Doctordarkspawn

Honestly, if this is how a thread on elitism goes, I cant really blame the devs for not lisening to the community.

On the one hand, you have people railing against people, on the other, the exact same. Yet more proof that the apparent hardcore and casual audiences, cannot co-exist.

Destruent

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Honestly, if this is how a thread on elitism goes, I cant really blame the devs for not lisening to the community.

On the one hand, you have people railing against people, on the other, the exact same. Yet more proof that the apparent hardcore and casual audiences, cannot co-exist.

Problem is... "hardcore"-player get blamed for not being polite enough, meanwhile they are not allowed to blame "casuals" to not communicate (or being impolite with that) at all....
Can't blame ZOS for that tbh...

Doctordarkspawn

Destruent wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Honestly, if this is how a thread on elitism goes, I cant really blame the devs for not lisening to the community.

On the one hand, you have people railing against people, on the other, the exact same. Yet more proof that the apparent hardcore and casual audiences, cannot co-exist.

Problem is... "hardcore"-player get blamed for not being polite enough, meanwhile they are not allowed to blame "casuals" to not communicate (or being impolite with that) at all....
Can't blame ZOS for that tbh...

Honestly, both on both sides have become a caustic mess. I'm not inclined to sort through it to make an accurate judgement once it gets toxic.

And neither are the devs, most likely. But in my experience? People rail against others for trying to make the game too easy, and then it starts. I dont know that's happened here, but it's still a lesson to be learned from the thread.

The more toxic you are, the less people want to hear you.

Destruent

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Honestly, if this is how a thread on elitism goes, I cant really blame the devs for not lisening to the community.

On the one hand, you have people railing against people, on the other, the exact same. Yet more proof that the apparent hardcore and casual audiences, cannot co-exist.

Problem is... "hardcore"-player get blamed for not being polite enough, meanwhile they are not allowed to blame "casuals" to not communicate (or being impolite with that) at all....
Can't blame ZOS for that tbh...

Honestly, both on both sides have become a caustic mess. I'm not inclined to sort through it to make an accurate judgement once it gets toxic.

And neither are the devs, most likely. But in my experience? People rail against others for trying to make the game too easy, and then it starts. I dont know that's happened here, but it's still a lesson to be learned from the thread.

The more toxic you are, the less people want to hear you.

this thread is definetely not about the game being easy or hard...it's about getting kicked bc someone asked the healer to use a specific skill

Doctordarkspawn

Destruent wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Honestly, if this is how a thread on elitism goes, I cant really blame the devs for not lisening to the community.

On the one hand, you have people railing against people, on the other, the exact same. Yet more proof that the apparent hardcore and casual audiences, cannot co-exist.

Problem is... "hardcore"-player get blamed for not being polite enough, meanwhile they are not allowed to blame "casuals" to not communicate (or being impolite with that) at all....
Can't blame ZOS for that tbh...

Honestly, both on both sides have become a caustic mess. I'm not inclined to sort through it to make an accurate judgement once it gets toxic.

And neither are the devs, most likely. But in my experience? People rail against others for trying to make the game too easy, and then it starts. I dont know that's happened here, but it's still a lesson to be learned from the thread.

The more toxic you are, the less people want to hear you.

this thread is definetely not about the game being easy or hard...it's about getting kicked bc someone asked the healer to use a specific skill

I've met healers who used frost staves.

Trust me, if that was the goal, it was never gonna do anything.

sevomd69

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

Honestly, if this is how a thread on elitism goes, I cant really blame the devs for not lisening to the community.

On the one hand, you have people railing against people, on the other, the exact same. Yet more proof that the apparent hardcore and casual audiences, cannot co-exist.

Problem is... "hardcore"-player get blamed for not being polite enough, meanwhile they are not allowed to blame "casuals" to not communicate (or being impolite with that) at all....
Can't blame ZOS for that tbh...

Honestly, both on both sides have become a caustic mess. I'm not inclined to sort through it to make an accurate judgement once it gets toxic.

And neither are the devs, most likely. But in my experience? People rail against others for trying to make the game too easy, and then it starts. I dont know that's happened here, but it's still a lesson to be learned from the thread.

The more toxic you are, the less people want to hear you.

this thread is definetely not about the game being easy or hard...it's about getting kicked bc someone asked the healer to use a specific skill

I've met healers who used frost staves.

Trust me, if that was the goal, it was never gonna do anything.

I golded out a Mother's Sorrow frost staff when I first started playing... still makes me sad whenever i see it in my bank... but can't get myself to deconstruct it... serves as a reminder... don't gold out gear until absolutely sure...

Destruent

This thread is confusing me more and more
I really should stop reading here....

jwalker524

[/quote]@walker524 No one has done any screaming at new players in this thread. People will absolutely love you, if whilst playing your response to a request or bit of advice isn't "Don't speak to me elitist sssscum!!!1!" or silence.[/quote]

@KochDerDamonen I know none of it was directed specifically at new players, still discouraging if this is the way the community is. It's maybe slight exaggeration, but coming to the forums to try to gauge the community, and seeing the top thread being about this kind of stuff is... disheartening. Makes it seem like the choice is "Grasp 100% of concepts and be 100% perfect, from the second you log in, or you're a piece of *** who doesn't "deserve" to play the game, vs "Everyone can do everything they want, MMO mechanics be damned, and if you want to learn you're literally ***". I know that is hyperbole, but it says a lot about the general community. Pretty much WoW or League, in a different setting. Not really my bag, would like to play, learn as I go, and have people not be complete *** about it. Probably not the case, but why bother even finding out? Community > gameplay, IMO, and if it is a dumpster fire of a community, I'll just go elsewhere.

[/quote]I'm sorry that you've been so negatively influenced by this thread, but I can understand why. Anyone would lose a wish to play a game where people think that social interaction should be some sort of rocket science requiring one to have psychiatrist level of social skills™ because someone's wishes are more "fair" than the others'. [/quote]

@Lexynide My thoughts exactly, maybe it's just extreme, because often forum people are like that, but it is discouraging, and I have 100 other games I can play and not deal with petty drama every time I want to try a group activity.