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You Guys Could Nerf Soul Assault Anytime Zos!
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pieratsos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭FloppyTouch wrote: »So no class has any issue with this ability but medium armor stam NB...
Seems fine to me
No, Its just that the only medium armor builds left are stamblades. The rest are under extinction. That should give you an idea of the viability of medium armor in PVP.3 -
pieratsos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Its funny how everyone defending it use the argument of it needs to be undodgeable to counter rollers yet they also want all the other things it has that have nothing to do with dodge. Makes you wonder how they use it.2 -
pieratsos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Drummerx04 wrote: »Honestly, the risk/reward balance on this skill is probably the most extreme out of every ult besides maybe bow ult (since that can be dodged).
This skill deals pretty laughable damage if you aren't set up for good damage which generally means not very tanky. If there is anyone else attacking you when the soul assault goes out, then anyone with half a brain will focus you because they know for a fact that you are not blocking and the caster is also snared during the channel. If I am fighting outnumbered against even half competent players, SA is basically useful as an execute only.
In cases where you are being Xv1ed in the open with no LoS, SA is just a time saver. Would you really have felt happier dodge rolling 5 more times and THEN running out of stam and getting killed by the raid chasing you? Is that really an improvement in your game play experience?
You want to know a really low risk/high reward cheap ult is? Dawnbreaker: Undodgeable again, high damage, instant, no telegraph or warning, CC in a cone, strong dot sticking to all affected targets.
SA has actual risks involved with use.
You have successfully described the problem with crap like SA. They remove skill from the game. You die. What do you do? You bring more numbers, more numbers, more numbers and surprise surprise PVP ends up with what you see today.
The thinking of "you are ountnumbered, you would die anw so it doesnt matter" its stupid. Its not about winning the fight. Its about what happened in the fight. If SA was going through shields, it wouldnt be ok because if u are outnumbered you would die anw. Its about skilled fights. If you fight and you die. Well ok, u tried ur best you couldnt outplay them and you died. But when you die not because you couldnt outplay them but because you got screwed by everything that have nothing to do with actual skill then yes u have an issue and it leads to the problem u see today.
Dawnbreaker is a very strong ult. Probably too strong. But its not a death sentence for any build. It doesnt give you the options of either die or half of ur hp is gone and out of stamina.Edited by pieratsos on August 16, 2017 11:47AM3 -
SodanTok✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Unbelieveable how many people that very obviously do not play stamina medium nonNB are here defending this cheese ult. Most of them with year old information about how it works. Half of them playing sorc, second half using their 'experience' of casting 2 shields for free (Harness Magicka ftw) or blocking it on build with 900 stam regen and 50% block cost reduction.
Yeah I know very well how that ult is bad vs you. You don't have to repeat it here. Everybody knows how bad the ult is vs these builds. That is completely irrelevant to what it does to medium.
First page is literally full of mag builds patting each other on the back and calling l2p. While they do nothing but spam shield when its on them and they hp pool never gets touched and most of the shield cost gets returned to them. SA could literally be dodgeable and it would still be more punishing to medium than to your light armor 'l2p'ers.Edited by SodanTok on August 16, 2017 12:11PM4 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »UppGRAYxDD wrote: »mmolegends44 wrote: »[snip]
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But if we remove everything in the game that kills us, we don't need skill either.
Who said remove everything in the game that kills us? I said remove/change things in the game that remove skill.
So you actually need skill to kill people. Not everyone needs to abuse every broken [snip] in this game to kill people.
It is your opinion that soul assault is broken and you are entitled to it but it is your opinion not everyone's.
SA has counters and I use them on my stamblade so it does not negate the main defenses of medium armor builds.
Can't even remember the last time soul assault was the main reason I died on a death recap, I died because I made a mistake usually.
Feel free to enlighten people how they are supposed to counter it on a medium armor. Btw carrying a tree for LOS and zerging/zergsurfing are not counters.
Flying blade into ambush followed by normal stamblade rotation of your choice.
Bull rush instead of avoidance, SA was designed to counter rolling so attack instead don't just stand there.
Works for me.
Flying blade, into ambush, into incap, into execute. Thats 4 GCD assuming u used flying blade the exact same time the SA started (which is very highly unlikely) and assuming u are a stamblade. Medium armor builds are not just stamblades. And thats the entire duration of SA that you didnt block taking full dmg from a 50-60k at the very least tooltip and thats assuming u are not taking any other dmg. In short, you are dead. You are not the only one that thought of that solution mate. Not everyone is potato enough to stay at low hp before casting SA. Casting a shield before SA and that small chance of bull rush to succeed goes out the window. Back to blocking it i guess.
SA was designed to counter rolling. But why the hell is it Uninterruptible, gives CC immunity, permasnares and keeps people out of cloak? If someone is stupid enough to channel that *** in ur face u should be able to bash it.
Now I see you are arguing just for arguments sake as many counters and solutions have been pointed out to you.
So good luck in your quest to reduce this game to fighting with Kendo sticks.
[edited to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_Icy on June 14, 2026 1:14PM2 -
Cpt_Ati✭Buff that ultimate because filthy magicka players need that cheesy damage.Long Load Time-Wood Elf Nightblade 800+ CP1 -
hmsdragonfly✭✭✭✭✭
✭TequilaFire wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »UppGRAYxDD wrote: »mmolegends44 wrote: »[snip]
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But if we remove everything in the game that kills us, we don't need skill either.
Who said remove everything in the game that kills us? I said remove/change things in the game that remove skill.
So you actually need skill to kill people. Not everyone needs to abuse every broken [snip] in this game to kill people.
It is your opinion that soul assault is broken and you are entitled to it but it is your opinion not everyone's.
SA has counters and I use them on my stamblade so it does not negate the main defenses of medium armor builds.
Can't even remember the last time soul assault was the main reason I died on a death recap, I died because I made a mistake usually.
Feel free to enlighten people how they are supposed to counter it on a medium armor. Btw carrying a tree for LOS and zerging/zergsurfing are not counters.
Flying blade into ambush followed by normal stamblade rotation of your choice.
Bull rush instead of avoidance, SA was designed to counter rolling so attack instead don't just stand there.
Works for me.
Flying blade, into ambush, into incap, into execute. Thats 4 GCD assuming u used flying blade the exact same time the SA started (which is very highly unlikely) and assuming u are a stamblade. Medium armor builds are not just stamblades. And thats the entire duration of SA that you didnt block taking full dmg from a 50-60k at the very least tooltip and thats assuming u are not taking any other dmg. In short, you are dead. You are not the only one that thought of that solution mate. Not everyone is potato enough to stay at low hp before casting SA. Casting a shield before SA and that small chance of bull rush to succeed goes out the window. Back to blocking it i guess.
SA was designed to counter rolling. But why the hell is it Uninterruptible, gives CC immunity, permasnares and keeps people out of cloak? If someone is stupid enough to channel that *** in ur face u should be able to bash it.
Now I see you are arguing just for arguments sake as many counters and solutions have been pointed out to you.
So good luck in your quest to reduce this game to fighting with Kendo sticks.
There's absolutely 0 reason why it should not be interruptible with bash.
[edited to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_Icy on June 14, 2026 1:15PMAldmeri Dominion Loyalist. For the Queen!5 -
WaltherCarraway✭✭✭✭✭WaltherCarraway wrote: »It takes you merely 18k stam to block a full soul assault.
My magicka dk pvp build has that amount of stam which is also capable to accomodate more situations (roll dodge, break free, that usually require more stam on magic toon)
EDIT: words in bracket for clearer concept.
EDIT2: I'm not even running full sturdy. Including one hand and shield passive + 1 sturdy; my block cost reduction is 40% flat.
Today I sucessfully blocked two Soul Assaults (different times different players). Both kinda deleted my stam pool but I largely survived that blow with the spec I quoted above. Blocking that thing will mitigate at least 50% of damage even your don't have protection buffs with you. I can't manage to find stam draining diagram for my two blocking aforementioned.Back from my last hiatus. 2021 a new start.1 -
Koensol✭✭✭✭✭
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Whooptydoo... you survived SA with one of the more tanky builds in the game.WaltherCarraway wrote: »WaltherCarraway wrote: »It takes you merely 18k stam to block a full soul assault.
My magicka dk pvp build has that amount of stam which is also capable to accomodate more situations (roll dodge, break free, that usually require more stam on magic toon)
EDIT: words in bracket for clearer concept.
EDIT2: I'm not even running full sturdy. Including one hand and shield passive + 1 sturdy; my block cost reduction is 40% flat.
Today I sucessfully blocked two Soul Assaults (different times different players). Both kinda deleted my stam pool but I largely survived that blow with the spec I quoted above. Blocking that thing will mitigate at least 50% of damage even your don't have protection buffs with you. I can't manage to find stam draining diagram for my two blocking aforementioned.
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TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭hmsdragonfly wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »UppGRAYxDD wrote: »mmolegends44 wrote: »[snip]
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But if we remove everything in the game that kills us, we don't need skill either.
Who said remove everything in the game that kills us? I said remove/change things in the game that remove skill.
So you actually need skill to kill people. Not everyone needs to abuse every broken [snip] in this game to kill people.
It is your opinion that soul assault is broken and you are entitled to it but it is your opinion not everyone's.
SA has counters and I use them on my stamblade so it does not negate the main defenses of medium armor builds.
Can't even remember the last time soul assault was the main reason I died on a death recap, I died because I made a mistake usually.
Feel free to enlighten people how they are supposed to counter it on a medium armor. Btw carrying a tree for LOS and zerging/zergsurfing are not counters.
Flying blade into ambush followed by normal stamblade rotation of your choice.
Bull rush instead of avoidance, SA was designed to counter rolling so attack instead don't just stand there.
Works for me.
Flying blade, into ambush, into incap, into execute. Thats 4 GCD assuming u used flying blade the exact same time the SA started (which is very highly unlikely) and assuming u are a stamblade. Medium armor builds are not just stamblades. And thats the entire duration of SA that you didnt block taking full dmg from a 50-60k at the very least tooltip and thats assuming u are not taking any other dmg. In short, you are dead. You are not the only one that thought of that solution mate. Not everyone is potato enough to stay at low hp before casting SA. Casting a shield before SA and that small chance of bull rush to succeed goes out the window. Back to blocking it i guess.
SA was designed to counter rolling. But why the hell is it Uninterruptible, gives CC immunity, permasnares and keeps people out of cloak? If someone is stupid enough to channel that *** in ur face u should be able to bash it.
Now I see you are arguing just for arguments sake as many counters and solutions have been pointed out to you.
So good luck in your quest to reduce this game to fighting with Kendo sticks.
There's absolutely 0 reason why it should not be interruptible with bash.
Originally it was interruptible but devs changed it for reasons you will have to ask ZOS.
I would guess because like RD the caster is vulnerable during the cast time.
[edited to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_Icy on June 14, 2026 1:16PM3 -
WaltherCarraway✭✭✭✭✭
Whooptydoo... you survived SA with one of the more tanky builds in the game.WaltherCarraway wrote: »WaltherCarraway wrote: »It takes you merely 18k stam to block a full soul assault.
My magicka dk pvp build has that amount of stam which is also capable to accomodate more situations (roll dodge, break free, that usually require more stam on magic toon)
EDIT: words in bracket for clearer concept.
EDIT2: I'm not even running full sturdy. Including one hand and shield passive + 1 sturdy; my block cost reduction is 40% flat.
Today I sucessfully blocked two Soul Assaults (different times different players). Both kinda deleted my stam pool but I largely survived that blow with the spec I quoted above. Blocking that thing will mitigate at least 50% of damage even your don't have protection buffs with you. I can't manage to find stam draining diagram for my two blocking aforementioned.
If you think 5 light spinner and 2 heavy bloodspawn plus a sword and board all divines cept head is sturdy, is one of a more tanky build. Then you might need to look carefully into those real tanky build.
By the way the tankiest build is double even triple ward spamming sorc...
EDIT: sword and boards are part of silk of the sun set.Edited by WaltherCarraway on August 16, 2017 1:12PMBack from my last hiatus. 2021 a new start.1 -
hmsdragonfly✭✭✭✭✭
✭WaltherCarraway wrote: »WaltherCarraway wrote: »It takes you merely 18k stam to block a full soul assault.
My magicka dk pvp build has that amount of stam which is also capable to accomodate more situations (roll dodge, break free, that usually require more stam on magic toon)
EDIT: words in bracket for clearer concept.
EDIT2: I'm not even running full sturdy. Including one hand and shield passive + 1 sturdy; my block cost reduction is 40% flat.
Today I sucessfully blocked two Soul Assaults (different times different players). Both kinda deleted my stam pool but I largely survived that blow with the spec I quoted above. Blocking that thing will mitigate at least 50% of damage even your don't have protection buffs with you. I can't manage to find stam draining diagram for my two blocking aforementioned.
Congratz you survived a beam of doom with a 18k stam MagDK. But realistically, I have no trouble blocking beam of doom with a 16k stam MagDK and I don't believe anyone even has problem blocking it with a permablock S&B MagDK.
Now please try to block it with a bow and medium armour.Aldmeri Dominion Loyalist. For the Queen!3 -
hmsdragonfly✭✭✭✭✭
✭WaltherCarraway wrote: »
Whooptydoo... you survived SA with one of the more tanky builds in the game.WaltherCarraway wrote: »WaltherCarraway wrote: »It takes you merely 18k stam to block a full soul assault.
My magicka dk pvp build has that amount of stam which is also capable to accomodate more situations (roll dodge, break free, that usually require more stam on magic toon)
EDIT: words in bracket for clearer concept.
EDIT2: I'm not even running full sturdy. Including one hand and shield passive + 1 sturdy; my block cost reduction is 40% flat.
Today I sucessfully blocked two Soul Assaults (different times different players). Both kinda deleted my stam pool but I largely survived that blow with the spec I quoted above. Blocking that thing will mitigate at least 50% of damage even your don't have protection buffs with you. I can't manage to find stam draining diagram for my two blocking aforementioned.
If you think 5 light spinner and 2 heavy bloodspawn plus a sword and board all divines cept head is sturdy, is one of a more tanky build. Then you might need to look carefully into those real tanky build.
By the way the tankiest build is double even triple ward spamming sorc...
EDIT: sword and boards are part of silk of the sun set.
You use S&B and have 18k stam. So yes, you can block it with ease. Now, have you tried to block it with a bow in medium armour?
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WaltherCarraway✭✭✭✭✭
Whooptydoo... you survived SA with one of the more tanky builds in the game.WaltherCarraway wrote: »WaltherCarraway wrote: »It takes you merely 18k stam to block a full soul assault.
My magicka dk pvp build has that amount of stam which is also capable to accomodate more situations (roll dodge, break free, that usually require more stam on magic toon)
EDIT: words in bracket for clearer concept.
EDIT2: I'm not even running full sturdy. Including one hand and shield passive + 1 sturdy; my block cost reduction is 40% flat.
Today I sucessfully blocked two Soul Assaults (different times different players). Both kinda deleted my stam pool but I largely survived that blow with the spec I quoted above. Blocking that thing will mitigate at least 50% of damage even your don't have protection buffs with you. I can't manage to find stam draining diagram for my two blocking aforementioned.
Don't get me wrong. My point throughout the post is to advocate, that 18k stam is enough to block Soul Assault. Even it sounds like a sacrifice on dps potential, however imo a bit more stam not only helps on blocking but also one or two more chances to dodge roll or break free.
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TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭hmsdragonfly wrote: »WaltherCarraway wrote: »WaltherCarraway wrote: »It takes you merely 18k stam to block a full soul assault.
My magicka dk pvp build has that amount of stam which is also capable to accomodate more situations (roll dodge, break free, that usually require more stam on magic toon)
EDIT: words in bracket for clearer concept.
EDIT2: I'm not even running full sturdy. Including one hand and shield passive + 1 sturdy; my block cost reduction is 40% flat.
Today I sucessfully blocked two Soul Assaults (different times different players). Both kinda deleted my stam pool but I largely survived that blow with the spec I quoted above. Blocking that thing will mitigate at least 50% of damage even your don't have protection buffs with you. I can't manage to find stam draining diagram for my two blocking aforementioned.
Congratz you survived a beam of doom with a 18k stam MagDK. But realistically, I have no trouble blocking beam of doom with a 16k stam MagDK and I don't believe anyone even has problem blocking it with a permablock S&B MagDK.
Now please try to block it with a bow and medium armour.
5 Hunding's, 5 Marksman 1 Chudan (spell/physical resistance) shoulder 5M/1H/1L works quite well for me on one of stamblades. But of course if you build a procblade things would be different.Edited by TequilaFire on August 16, 2017 1:20PM1 -
hmsdragonfly✭✭✭✭✭
✭TequilaFire wrote: »hmsdragonfly wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »UppGRAYxDD wrote: »mmolegends44 wrote: »[snip]
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But if we remove everything in the game that kills us, we don't need skill either.
Who said remove everything in the game that kills us? I said remove/change things in the game that remove skill.
So you actually need skill to kill people. Not everyone needs to abuse every broken [snip] in this game to kill people.
It is your opinion that soul assault is broken and you are entitled to it but it is your opinion not everyone's.
SA has counters and I use them on my stamblade so it does not negate the main defenses of medium armor builds.
Can't even remember the last time soul assault was the main reason I died on a death recap, I died because I made a mistake usually.
Feel free to enlighten people how they are supposed to counter it on a medium armor. Btw carrying a tree for LOS and zerging/zergsurfing are not counters.
Flying blade into ambush followed by normal stamblade rotation of your choice.
Bull rush instead of avoidance, SA was designed to counter rolling so attack instead don't just stand there.
Works for me.
Flying blade, into ambush, into incap, into execute. Thats 4 GCD assuming u used flying blade the exact same time the SA started (which is very highly unlikely) and assuming u are a stamblade. Medium armor builds are not just stamblades. And thats the entire duration of SA that you didnt block taking full dmg from a 50-60k at the very least tooltip and thats assuming u are not taking any other dmg. In short, you are dead. You are not the only one that thought of that solution mate. Not everyone is potato enough to stay at low hp before casting SA. Casting a shield before SA and that small chance of bull rush to succeed goes out the window. Back to blocking it i guess.
SA was designed to counter rolling. But why the hell is it Uninterruptible, gives CC immunity, permasnares and keeps people out of cloak? If someone is stupid enough to channel that *** in ur face u should be able to bash it.
Now I see you are arguing just for arguments sake as many counters and solutions have been pointed out to you.
So good luck in your quest to reduce this game to fighting with Kendo sticks.
There's absolutely 0 reason why it should not be interruptible with bash.
Originally it was interruptible but devs changed it for reasons you will have to ask ZOS.
I would guess because like RD the caster is vulnerable during the cast time.
It's a bad decision made by ZOS. You can bash RD so there's no reason why it should not interruptible. I understand if it's an expensive ult, but it's not, it's extremely cheap, less than 100 ults, it outperforms Ballista by far and ballista costs like 200 ults. Increase the damage tick through block, make it more effective against block, but make it interruptible, that's how we promote skillful plays.
[edited to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_Icy on June 14, 2026 1:18PMAldmeri Dominion Loyalist. For the Queen!0 -
WaltherCarraway✭✭✭✭✭hmsdragonfly wrote: »WaltherCarraway wrote: »
Whooptydoo... you survived SA with one of the more tanky builds in the game.WaltherCarraway wrote: »WaltherCarraway wrote: »It takes you merely 18k stam to block a full soul assault.
My magicka dk pvp build has that amount of stam which is also capable to accomodate more situations (roll dodge, break free, that usually require more stam on magic toon)
EDIT: words in bracket for clearer concept.
EDIT2: I'm not even running full sturdy. Including one hand and shield passive + 1 sturdy; my block cost reduction is 40% flat.
Today I sucessfully blocked two Soul Assaults (different times different players). Both kinda deleted my stam pool but I largely survived that blow with the spec I quoted above. Blocking that thing will mitigate at least 50% of damage even your don't have protection buffs with you. I can't manage to find stam draining diagram for my two blocking aforementioned.
If you think 5 light spinner and 2 heavy bloodspawn plus a sword and board all divines cept head is sturdy, is one of a more tanky build. Then you might need to look carefully into those real tanky build.
By the way the tankiest build is double even triple ward spamming sorc...
EDIT: sword and boards are part of silk of the sun set.
You use S&B and have 18k stam. So yes, you can block it with ease. Now, have you tried to block it with a bow in medium armour?
I thought the OP was talking about how overpowered and unblockable it is. Well if you have to block that with bow how about go cloak after 2 secs? I bet 2s of blocking won't drain 18K stam even on bow right?
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hmsdragonfly✭✭✭✭✭
✭WaltherCarraway wrote: »hmsdragonfly wrote: »WaltherCarraway wrote: »
Whooptydoo... you survived SA with one of the more tanky builds in the game.WaltherCarraway wrote: »WaltherCarraway wrote: »It takes you merely 18k stam to block a full soul assault.
My magicka dk pvp build has that amount of stam which is also capable to accomodate more situations (roll dodge, break free, that usually require more stam on magic toon)
EDIT: words in bracket for clearer concept.
EDIT2: I'm not even running full sturdy. Including one hand and shield passive + 1 sturdy; my block cost reduction is 40% flat.
Today I sucessfully blocked two Soul Assaults (different times different players). Both kinda deleted my stam pool but I largely survived that blow with the spec I quoted above. Blocking that thing will mitigate at least 50% of damage even your don't have protection buffs with you. I can't manage to find stam draining diagram for my two blocking aforementioned.
If you think 5 light spinner and 2 heavy bloodspawn plus a sword and board all divines cept head is sturdy, is one of a more tanky build. Then you might need to look carefully into those real tanky build.
By the way the tankiest build is double even triple ward spamming sorc...
EDIT: sword and boards are part of silk of the sun set.
You use S&B and have 18k stam. So yes, you can block it with ease. Now, have you tried to block it with a bow in medium armour?
I thought the OP was talking about how overpowered and unblockable it is. Well if you have to block that with bow how about go cloak after 2 secs? I bet 2s of blocking won't drain 18K stam even on bow right?
Ummm, how does a stamsorc or a stamplar go to cloak?
It's not "overpowered", it is poorly designed, as in, it is useless against certain builds and extremely powerful against other builds.Edited by hmsdragonfly on August 16, 2017 1:30PMAldmeri Dominion Loyalist. For the Queen!5 -
hmsdragonfly✭✭✭✭✭
✭TequilaFire wrote: »hmsdragonfly wrote: »WaltherCarraway wrote: »WaltherCarraway wrote: »It takes you merely 18k stam to block a full soul assault.
My magicka dk pvp build has that amount of stam which is also capable to accomodate more situations (roll dodge, break free, that usually require more stam on magic toon)
EDIT: words in bracket for clearer concept.
EDIT2: I'm not even running full sturdy. Including one hand and shield passive + 1 sturdy; my block cost reduction is 40% flat.
Today I sucessfully blocked two Soul Assaults (different times different players). Both kinda deleted my stam pool but I largely survived that blow with the spec I quoted above. Blocking that thing will mitigate at least 50% of damage even your don't have protection buffs with you. I can't manage to find stam draining diagram for my two blocking aforementioned.
Congratz you survived a beam of doom with a 18k stam MagDK. But realistically, I have no trouble blocking beam of doom with a 16k stam MagDK and I don't believe anyone even has problem blocking it with a permablock S&B MagDK.
Now please try to block it with a bow and medium armour.
5 Hunding's, 5 Marksman 1 Chudan (spell/physical resistance) shoulder 5M/1H/1L works quite well for me on one of stamblades. But of course if you build a procblade things would be different.
Procblades are all dead. By working quite well, you mean beam of doom doesn't drain almost two-thirds of your stam pool when you block it with your bow?Aldmeri Dominion Loyalist. For the Queen!2 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭hmsdragonfly wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »hmsdragonfly wrote: »WaltherCarraway wrote: »WaltherCarraway wrote: »It takes you merely 18k stam to block a full soul assault.
My magicka dk pvp build has that amount of stam which is also capable to accomodate more situations (roll dodge, break free, that usually require more stam on magic toon)
EDIT: words in bracket for clearer concept.
EDIT2: I'm not even running full sturdy. Including one hand and shield passive + 1 sturdy; my block cost reduction is 40% flat.
Today I sucessfully blocked two Soul Assaults (different times different players). Both kinda deleted my stam pool but I largely survived that blow with the spec I quoted above. Blocking that thing will mitigate at least 50% of damage even your don't have protection buffs with you. I can't manage to find stam draining diagram for my two blocking aforementioned.
Congratz you survived a beam of doom with a 18k stam MagDK. But realistically, I have no trouble blocking beam of doom with a 16k stam MagDK and I don't believe anyone even has problem blocking it with a permablock S&B MagDK.
Now please try to block it with a bow and medium armour.
5 Hunding's, 5 Marksman 1 Chudan (spell/physical resistance) shoulder 5M/1H/1L works quite well for me on one of stamblades. But of course if you build a procblade things would be different.
Procblades are all dead. By working quite well, you mean beam of doom doesn't drain almost two-thirds of your stam pool when you block it with your bow?
Oh it drains stamina but build and CP regen plus stam pots gives me ample stam management after blocking.
Resource drain poisons are a much bigger issue.
I do agree it should be bashable again as I attack the caster and am in his face.
But I do believe it should still remain a counter to roll dodge/shuffle.
Problem is after a post like this everyone will be using SA now, we are our worst enemies! lol
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✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »UppGRAYxDD wrote: »mmolegends44 wrote: »[snip]
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But if we remove everything in the game that kills us, we don't need skill either.
Who said remove everything in the game that kills us? I said remove/change things in the game that remove skill.
So you actually need skill to kill people. Not everyone needs to abuse every broken [snip] in this game to kill people.
It is your opinion that soul assault is broken and you are entitled to it but it is your opinion not everyone's.
SA has counters and I use them on my stamblade so it does not negate the main defenses of medium armor builds.
Can't even remember the last time soul assault was the main reason I died on a death recap, I died because I made a mistake usually.
Feel free to enlighten people how they are supposed to counter it on a medium armor. Btw carrying a tree for LOS and zerging/zergsurfing are not counters.
Flying blade into ambush followed by normal stamblade rotation of your choice.
Bull rush instead of avoidance, SA was designed to counter rolling so attack instead don't just stand there.
Works for me.
Flying blade, into ambush, into incap, into execute. Thats 4 GCD assuming u used flying blade the exact same time the SA started (which is very highly unlikely) and assuming u are a stamblade. Medium armor builds are not just stamblades. And thats the entire duration of SA that you didnt block taking full dmg from a 50-60k at the very least tooltip and thats assuming u are not taking any other dmg. In short, you are dead. You are not the only one that thought of that solution mate. Not everyone is potato enough to stay at low hp before casting SA. Casting a shield before SA and that small chance of bull rush to succeed goes out the window. Back to blocking it i guess.
SA was designed to counter rolling. But why the hell is it Uninterruptible, gives CC immunity, permasnares and keeps people out of cloak? If someone is stupid enough to channel that *** in ur face u should be able to bash it.
Now I see you are arguing just for arguments sake as many counters and solutions have been pointed out to you.
So good luck in your quest to reduce this game to fighting with Kendo sticks.
No im not. I just broke down the scenario you suggested as a solution. You said a normal rotation. Thats 4 GCD. The entire duration of SA that you didnt block. Meaning dead.
And thats still in the case of the stamblade which has the highest burst, and thats still in the case that u can actually kill ur target in 3 seconds which wont happen with 10k+ shields up. Sorry but stamblade isnt the only medium armor class in the game.
No counters and solutions were presented that are actual reliable counters. Sorry but facts are facts.
If people are stupid enough to SA in ur face you should be able to bash them. Thats called skill. It will still be undodgeable.
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✭✭✭✭✭Wow squishy builds put together by players that disregard defense and advocate glass cannons have an issue with survivability?!
Who the @#$& knew?!
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WaltherCarraway✭✭✭✭✭hmsdragonfly wrote: »WaltherCarraway wrote: »hmsdragonfly wrote: »WaltherCarraway wrote: »
Whooptydoo... you survived SA with one of the more tanky builds in the game.WaltherCarraway wrote: »WaltherCarraway wrote: »It takes you merely 18k stam to block a full soul assault.
My magicka dk pvp build has that amount of stam which is also capable to accomodate more situations (roll dodge, break free, that usually require more stam on magic toon)
EDIT: words in bracket for clearer concept.
EDIT2: I'm not even running full sturdy. Including one hand and shield passive + 1 sturdy; my block cost reduction is 40% flat.
Today I sucessfully blocked two Soul Assaults (different times different players). Both kinda deleted my stam pool but I largely survived that blow with the spec I quoted above. Blocking that thing will mitigate at least 50% of damage even your don't have protection buffs with you. I can't manage to find stam draining diagram for my two blocking aforementioned.
If you think 5 light spinner and 2 heavy bloodspawn plus a sword and board all divines cept head is sturdy, is one of a more tanky build. Then you might need to look carefully into those real tanky build.
By the way the tankiest build is double even triple ward spamming sorc...
EDIT: sword and boards are part of silk of the sun set.
You use S&B and have 18k stam. So yes, you can block it with ease. Now, have you tried to block it with a bow in medium armour?
I thought the OP was talking about how overpowered and unblockable it is. Well if you have to block that with bow how about go cloak after 2 secs? I bet 2s of blocking won't drain 18K stam even on bow right?
Ummm, how does a stamsorc or a stamplar go to cloak?
It's not "overpowered", it is poorly designed, as in, it is useless against certain builds and extremely powerful against other builds.
stealth pot, or try to find something to block LOS.
I partially agree with your point (about the design).Edited by WaltherCarraway on August 16, 2017 2:17PMBack from my last hiatus. 2021 a new start.0 -
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✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Wow squishy builds put together by players that disregard defense and advocate glass cannons have an issue with survivability?!
Who the @#$& knew?!
/Sarcasm
Wow. Biased people pretending to be experts on subjects they have no idea about and presenting fake numbers as pure facts.
Who the @#$^ knew.
Yeah i guess 2GCD to absorb the full dmg and not hurt ur sustain isnt a defensive opportunity against a 20k burst but taking away half of ur hp and two thirds of ur resource while u are a sitting duck is a perfect counter.
The bias is strong here.Edited by pieratsos on August 16, 2017 2:29PM1 -
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✭TequilaFire wrote: »hmsdragonfly wrote: »TequilaFire wrote: »hmsdragonfly wrote: »WaltherCarraway wrote: »WaltherCarraway wrote: »It takes you merely 18k stam to block a full soul assault.
My magicka dk pvp build has that amount of stam which is also capable to accomodate more situations (roll dodge, break free, that usually require more stam on magic toon)
EDIT: words in bracket for clearer concept.
EDIT2: I'm not even running full sturdy. Including one hand and shield passive + 1 sturdy; my block cost reduction is 40% flat.
Today I sucessfully blocked two Soul Assaults (different times different players). Both kinda deleted my stam pool but I largely survived that blow with the spec I quoted above. Blocking that thing will mitigate at least 50% of damage even your don't have protection buffs with you. I can't manage to find stam draining diagram for my two blocking aforementioned.
Congratz you survived a beam of doom with a 18k stam MagDK. But realistically, I have no trouble blocking beam of doom with a 16k stam MagDK and I don't believe anyone even has problem blocking it with a permablock S&B MagDK.
Now please try to block it with a bow and medium armour.
5 Hunding's, 5 Marksman 1 Chudan (spell/physical resistance) shoulder 5M/1H/1L works quite well for me on one of stamblades. But of course if you build a procblade things would be different.
Procblades are all dead. By working quite well, you mean beam of doom doesn't drain almost two-thirds of your stam pool when you block it with your bow?
Oh it drains stamina but build and CP regen plus stam pots gives me ample stam management after blocking.
Resource drain poisons are a much bigger issue.
I do agree it should be bashable again as I attack the caster and am in his face.
But I do believe it should still remain a counter to roll dodge/shuffle.
Problem is after a post like this everyone will be using SA now, we are our worst enemies! lol
If pots are on cool down, then it's a feeldsbadman. Build and CP regen can't cut it unless the opponents are absolutely terrible that they don't know what to do. Yes I never say it should be dodgeable, it shouldn't, but there's no reason why it shouldn't be interruptible.
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✭WaltherCarraway wrote: »hmsdragonfly wrote: »WaltherCarraway wrote: »hmsdragonfly wrote: »WaltherCarraway wrote: »
Whooptydoo... you survived SA with one of the more tanky builds in the game.WaltherCarraway wrote: »WaltherCarraway wrote: »It takes you merely 18k stam to block a full soul assault.
My magicka dk pvp build has that amount of stam which is also capable to accomodate more situations (roll dodge, break free, that usually require more stam on magic toon)
EDIT: words in bracket for clearer concept.
EDIT2: I'm not even running full sturdy. Including one hand and shield passive + 1 sturdy; my block cost reduction is 40% flat.
Today I sucessfully blocked two Soul Assaults (different times different players). Both kinda deleted my stam pool but I largely survived that blow with the spec I quoted above. Blocking that thing will mitigate at least 50% of damage even your don't have protection buffs with you. I can't manage to find stam draining diagram for my two blocking aforementioned.
If you think 5 light spinner and 2 heavy bloodspawn plus a sword and board all divines cept head is sturdy, is one of a more tanky build. Then you might need to look carefully into those real tanky build.
By the way the tankiest build is double even triple ward spamming sorc...
EDIT: sword and boards are part of silk of the sun set.
You use S&B and have 18k stam. So yes, you can block it with ease. Now, have you tried to block it with a bow in medium armour?
I thought the OP was talking about how overpowered and unblockable it is. Well if you have to block that with bow how about go cloak after 2 secs? I bet 2s of blocking won't drain 18K stam even on bow right?
Ummm, how does a stamsorc or a stamplar go to cloak?
It's not "overpowered", it is poorly designed, as in, it is useless against certain builds and extremely powerful against other builds.
stealth pot, or try to find something to block LOS.
I partially agree with your point (about the design).
I am not a zergling, so no stealth pot for me, i need speed pots. There's no way to block LOS in BG because if you camp LOS the enemy will just take the objective and win.
That's why it should be interruptible.Edited by hmsdragonfly on August 16, 2017 2:50PMAldmeri Dominion Loyalist. For the Queen!0 -
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✭Waffennacht wrote: »Wow squishy builds put together by players that disregard defense and advocate glass cannons have an issue with survivability?!
Who the @#$& knew?!
/Sarcasm
Because all medium armour without S&B builds are "disregard defense and advocate glass cannons"? Medium armour builds are already traded off some slight survivability to some slight damage, as they take more damage from every damage dealing ability in the game, yet you want a "Click here to delete medium armour builds" button? Can we have a "Click here to delete S&B" button?
Why don't you want it to be interruptible, are you afraid to lose your EZ mode?
Who the @#$& knew?!
/SarcasmEdited by hmsdragonfly on August 16, 2017 3:11PMAldmeri Dominion Loyalist. For the Queen!1 -
WaltherCarraway✭✭✭✭✭hmsdragonfly wrote: »WaltherCarraway wrote: »WaltherCarraway wrote: »It takes you merely 18k stam to block a full soul assault.
My magicka dk pvp build has that amount of stam which is also capable to accomodate more situations (roll dodge, break free, that usually require more stam on magic toon)
EDIT: words in bracket for clearer concept.
EDIT2: I'm not even running full sturdy. Including one hand and shield passive + 1 sturdy; my block cost reduction is 40% flat.
Today I sucessfully blocked two Soul Assaults (different times different players). Both kinda deleted my stam pool but I largely survived that blow with the spec I quoted above. Blocking that thing will mitigate at least 50% of damage even your don't have protection buffs with you. I can't manage to find stam draining diagram for my two blocking aforementioned.
Congratz you survived a beam of doom with a 18k stam MagDK. But realistically, I have no trouble blocking beam of doom with a 16k stam MagDK and I don't believe anyone even has problem blocking it with a permablock S&B MagDK.
Now please try to block it with a bow and medium armour.
By the way,
If you throw out the term" permablock "whenever DK is involved in a discussion; then you might haven't played DK any further than hours. Probably watched few Blobs permablock videoes then start yelling all DK permablocks with no problem QQ stuff.
I won' reply to this thread no more. Thank you. I don't need to care about other classes/build's incompetence on blocking this ability.
Back from my last hiatus. 2021 a new start.2
