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Necropotence Nerf
Chufu
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Hello,
Nekro is going to be nerfed from 4000 to 3150 Magicka.
You don't want to hear what my Orc-Magicka-Warden-DD think about...
Nekro is going to be nerfed from 4000 to 3150 Magicka.
You don't want to hear what my Orc-Magicka-Warden-DD think about...
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Ryan1704✭✭✭That was fast but with the 1-4 pieces of that set getting buffed the 5 piece nerf sort of balances it out as roughly the same as it is on the live servee4 -
Apherius✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Hello,
Nekro is going to be nerfed from 4000 to 3150 Magicka.
You don't want to hear what my Orc-Magicka-Warden-DD think about...
how do you know that ?
( btw i'm so happy ! I will wear a crafted julianos with a draugr style for show my Vhof / dromathra skin !
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MercTheMage✭✭✭✭And the 2-4 item bonuses are being buffed like every other set, so i dont see your point.You just going to stand there like a lemon?10 -
Chufu✭✭✭✭✭
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Depends on the class. Sorcerer were very strong with it, yes. Warden were not so strong with it and will be less strong with the nerf of this set.
Haha and quote yourself should be perma-banned too
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Tryxus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It was needed. Even currently on live, stacking such an amount of Magicka on a Magicka build greatly increases both offense as well as shields to the point where both become insanely strong
The 5pc reduction is nice, especially after the buffing of the other set bonuses. But it's more than likely still going to be good, prob as good as it is on live now
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BenzZos✭✭✭I only wore necropotence because I shamelessly ride the meta wave. I'm secretly joyful pet meta is dying. Nerf this trash into the dirt.6 -
scipionumatia✭✭✭✭It's really not that bad of a nerf considering 2-4 set bonuses are getting buffed. It's still giving you more mag than the stam equivalent (hulking draugr) even though it has a pet requirement. And yes stam skills cost less but remember morrowind patch increased stam skills cost to be 5% less (if I'm remembering correctly) than their mag counterparts.Scipio Numantia Red guard Nightblade PvP- AD
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QuebraRegra✭✭✭✭✭
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seriously, where dat at? who said that?
looks like a good time to take another long break... maybe come back when jewelry crafting and transmog hit
EDIT:
oh this
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/364762/pts-patch-notes-v3-1-4#latest
I hated managing my shadow image uptime anyway...Edited by QuebraRegra on August 7, 2017 4:41PM0 -
paulsimonps✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭scipionumatia wrote: »It's really not that bad of a nerf considering 2-4 set bonuses are getting buffed. It's still giving you more mag than the stam equivalent (hulking draugr) even though it has a pet requirement. And yes stam skills cost less but remember morrowind patch increased stam skills cost to be 5% less (if I'm remembering correctly) than their mag counterparts.
I was gonna say that too, the 2p-3p-4p all got buffed so not sure if this will really change all that much to be honest.0 -
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✭Yeah nerf max stats because they over perform way better than mothers sorrow paired with Julianos, and torugs pact paired with infused and an oblivion damage enchant.0 -
technohic✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Did they buff Julianos? Trying to figure out the numbers but seems necrop is still better at raw damage / magicka and for a sorc who's shields and pets scale only off magicka and cannot crit; I'm trying to figure out how this changes anything other than reducing the gap0 -
QuebraRegra✭✭✭✭✭
✭paulsimonps wrote: »scipionumatia wrote: »It's really not that bad of a nerf considering 2-4 set bonuses are getting buffed. It's still giving you more mag than the stam equivalent (hulking draugr) even though it has a pet requirement. And yes stam skills cost less but remember morrowind patch increased stam skills cost to be 5% less (if I'm remembering correctly) than their mag counterparts.
I was gonna say that too, the 2p-3p-4p all got buffed so not sure if this will really change all that much to be honest.
yeah, but see what yer really looking at is the powercreep in general... all the 2-4p set bonuses were buffed... so those bonuses are really unchanged in the larger scheme of sets, and the 5pc necro has been nerfed.0 -
supaskrub✭✭✭✭✭paulsimonps wrote: »scipionumatia wrote: »It's really not that bad of a nerf considering 2-4 set bonuses are getting buffed. It's still giving you more mag than the stam equivalent (hulking draugr) even though it has a pet requirement. And yes stam skills cost less but remember morrowind patch increased stam skills cost to be 5% less (if I'm remembering correctly) than their mag counterparts.
I was gonna say that too, the 2p-3p-4p all got buffed so not sure if this will really change all that much to be honest.
Agreed, it will barely touch the tip of the iceberg regarding the peoples biggest beef about the set which is strong shields on a sorc build, the set will still remain strong, sorc shields will still be strong and other classes like Magwarden are the ones most affected by it.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I have yet to have one of these so called Nerfs make me change a character or my gear. I might swap around some skills to accomodate.
Then again, the only character that runs Necropetence is my Warden, and that character has all kinds of issues that gear is not going to fix.Enjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.
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SirMewser✭✭✭✭✭paulsimonps wrote: »scipionumatia wrote: »It's really not that bad of a nerf considering 2-4 set bonuses are getting buffed. It's still giving you more mag than the stam equivalent (hulking draugr) even though it has a pet requirement. And yes stam skills cost less but remember morrowind patch increased stam skills cost to be 5% less (if I'm remembering correctly) than their mag counterparts.
I was gonna say that too, the 2p-3p-4p all got buffed so not sure if this will really change all that much to be honest.
Agreed, it will barely touch the tip of the iceberg regarding the peoples biggest beef about the set which is strong shields on a sorc build, the set will still remain strong, sorc shields will still be strong and other classes like Magwarden are the ones most affected by it.
Indeed, everyone is being penalized with this nerf because of the meta changing and sorc shield stacking.
This issue could have been approached differently to isolate the problem from the request.
If stacking max magic is a problem then so should stacking 5k weapon damage, but I actually don't believe in idiotic statements like that because those aren't the root of the problem. The problem is in question of what else and why are these people stacking so high? What do they lose out of it?
That is for holistic minds...
No more of this crap, please.
[Edit]: Comparing this set to; Torug's Pact, Mother's Sorrow, Julianos, and among other's that had 2-4 piece bonuses (and some 5th pieces) buffed, I am seeing better options for pet builds than Necropotence which was indented for pets.Edited by SirMewser on August 7, 2017 5:57PM4 -
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Depends on the class. Sorcerer were very strong with it, yes. Warden were not so strong with it and will be less strong with the nerf of this set.
Haha and quote yourself should be perma-banned too
4 pieces is gonna be OK. It will allow you to use a 5-4-2 set upSarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
I was born with the wrong sign
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✭✭Did they buff Julianos? Trying to figure out the numbers but seems necrop is still better at raw damage / magicka and for a sorc who's shields and pets scale only off magicka and cannot crit; I'm trying to figure out how this changes anything other than reducing the gap
Yup, Julianos crit and max magicka were buffed.
People has to look at the buffs given to the 2, 3 and 4 pcs bonusSarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
I was born with the wrong sign
In the wrong house
With the wrong ascendancy
I took the wrong road
That led to the wrong tendencies
I was in the wrong place at the wrong time
For the wrong reason and the wrong rhyme
On the wrong day of the wrong week
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eirinnpryderi✭✭✭I think Necro would become like this:
(2 items) Adds 1095 Maximum Magicka
(3 items) Adds 1095 Maximum Magicka
(4 items) Adds 1095 Maximum Magicka
(5 items) While you have a pet active, your Max Magicka is increased by 3150
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technohic✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭eirinnpryderi wrote: »I think Necro would become like this:
(2 items) Adds 1095 Maximum Magicka
(3 items) Adds 1095 Maximum Magicka
(4 items) Adds 1095 Maximum Magicka
(5 items) While you have a pet active, your Max Magicka is increased by 3150
That's the way I'm figuring. Around 6400 magicka still. I suppose Julianos can beat it for DPS with the huge crit buffs but I see it only adding 1095 magicka and 300 spell power which is equivalent of ~3000 magicka and a sorc has abilities that do not scale from spell power and main defense cannot crit so I feel like Necro is still best for me to PVP in unless I am figuring this all wrong1 -
CastaLyron✭✭It might not seem like much, however this nerf puts necropotence behind almost all other sets now in terms of damage.
Based on my own calculation I would value the new balance on sets in order as per damage buff:
Spinners > Mothers Sorrow > Netch Touch > Julianos > Necropotence
It is a rough rank, For example spinner will not buff you if above penetration wall. Mothers Sorrow is quite a bit stronger with Shadow mundus. Obviously netch only considered as lightning sorc. Julianos always works however
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StopDropAndBear✭✭✭✭Just for anyone curious: gold Necro on live gives 6901 magicka. Gold Necro on PTS gives 6438 magicka. 463 magicka difference.4 -
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✭✭eirinnpryderi wrote: »I think Necro would become like this:
(2 items) Adds 1095 Maximum Magicka
(3 items) Adds 1095 Maximum Magicka
(4 items) Adds 1095 Maximum Magicka
(5 items) While you have a pet active, your Max Magicka is increased by 3150
That's the way I'm figuring. Around 6400 magicka still. I suppose Julianos can beat it for DPS with the huge crit buffs but I see it only adding 1095 magicka and 300 spell power which is equivalent of ~3000 magicka and a sorc has abilities that do not scale from spell power and main defense cannot crit so I feel like Necro is still best for me to PVP in unless I am figuring this all wrong
Sorc hardly run pets in PVP!1 -
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✭✭✭✭Such a small nerf, especially considering that the 2-4 piece bonuses are getting buffed. Don't freak out, people. You're only gonna end up losing about 600 magicka. It's not huge."Buzz Lightyear toy isle shot" Stormcalling/Animal Companions/Assassination PVP build hater
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It was only OP in PvP on sorcs (and OP because sorcs are broken, not the actual set). It was a niche set in PvE.
Now everyone will just have to wear Julianos instead so the little PvE build diversity we had is gone. Necro will be one of the worst magicka sets in the game after the nerf.Edited by MLGProPlayer on August 7, 2017 8:06PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭WuffyCerulei wrote: »Such a small nerf, especially considering that the 2-4 piece bonuses are getting buffed. Don't freak out, people. You're only gonna end up losing about 600 magicka. It's not huge.
It's huge considering how niche that set was to begin with. Max magicka doesn't buff staff attacks. Julianos was already arguably the better set, now it's unquestionably better.Edited by MLGProPlayer on August 7, 2017 8:05PM2 -
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✭This was a preemptive nerf in anticipation of the "OMG MAGPLARS ARE WEARING NECROPOTENCE!!!!NERF TEMPLARS NOW!!! JBEAM IS TOO STRONG WITH NECROPOTENCE!!! etc...
Just wait...Magplars wearing necro and shadowrend... The salt will be real...Edited by UppGRAYxDD on August 7, 2017 8:05PM"Stendarr's mercy be upon you, for the vigil has none to spare."2
