CALLING ALL GUILD PVP GUILD LEADERS AND CONCERNED CITIZENS! Council is Set-up, gathering members!

NyassaV · July 2017

I'll speak for my GM, @Hollery is willing to help out. DarkVenom is a small PvE PvP guild but the few people we have a really good... At one or the other.

BraidasNM · July 2017

Nermy wrote: »

BraidasNM wrote: »

Nermy wrote: »

BraidasNM wrote: »

you know that zos has to want your feedback for this to have any purpose right

Have you read through the posts or just the first few?

how are any of the posts relevant to what i said

Because there are quite a few posts saying exactly this and how the OP and the rest of us are very aware of it. I just wondered if you'd read them or not before saying the same thing but not offering anything constructive.

im not reading thru a 4pg thread on a pointless topic thx, just wanted to say you cant give feedback to someone who doesn't want (or wont use) any feedback. if you and op were already of that you wouldn't waste your time lmao

Nermy · July 2017

BraidasNM wrote: »

Nermy wrote: »

BraidasNM wrote: »

Nermy wrote: »

BraidasNM wrote: »

you know that zos has to want your feedback for this to have any purpose right

Have you read through the posts or just the first few?

how are any of the posts relevant to what i said

Because there are quite a few posts saying exactly this and how the OP and the rest of us are very aware of it. I just wondered if you'd read them or not before saying the same thing but not offering anything constructive.

im not reading thru a 4pg thread on a pointless topic thx, just wanted to say you cant give feedback to someone who doesn't want (or wont use) any feedback. if you and op were already of that you wouldn't waste your time lmao

Thanks for your consideration. If you consider it pointless, I wonder why you commented? lol! We are well aware that ZoS will have to want our feedback and that is why the OP and subsequent posters have talked about the need for positive and constructive feedback of a mature nature. I have had whispers from ZoS that they have been burnt doing this before and therefore will want to see that it is only for the good of the PvP community and the furtherment of the game before they will consider co-operating in any further discussion.

BraidasNM · July 2017

Nermy wrote: »

BraidasNM wrote: »

Nermy wrote: »

BraidasNM wrote: »

Nermy wrote: »

BraidasNM wrote: »

you know that zos has to want your feedback for this to have any purpose right

Have you read through the posts or just the first few?

how are any of the posts relevant to what i said

Because there are quite a few posts saying exactly this and how the OP and the rest of us are very aware of it. I just wondered if you'd read them or not before saying the same thing but not offering anything constructive.

im not reading thru a 4pg thread on a pointless topic thx, just wanted to say you cant give feedback to someone who doesn't want (or wont use) any feedback. if you and op were already of that you wouldn't waste your time lmao

Thanks for your consideration. If you consider it pointless, I wonder why you commented? lol! We are well aware that ZoS will have to want our feedback and that is why the OP and subsequent posters have talked about the need for positive and constructive feedback of a mature nature. I have had whispers from ZoS that they have been burnt doing this before and therefore will want to see that it is only for the good of the PvP community and the furtherment of the game before they will consider co-operating in any further discussion.

i commented to tell ppl it is pointless...lol!

they've been burnt? only positive and mature? that's interesting. @Nivellan way to go alacrity you ruined it for everyone bc you hurt some devs feelings

NightbladeMechanics · July 2017

@BraidasNM no one in history has ever gotten anything done with that attitude.

Rich has already displayed interest in a Cyrodiil Council (link). Even if he didn't engage with the last one (which you weren't involved with), Brian did try to. If this new gruop gets traction with ZOS, then it's worth doing. If it doesn't get traction, then we've lost nothing in the attempt.

BraidasNM · July 2017

so sorry i hurt your positivity kena, ill leave you to your fantasy world where zos makes regular changes based on pvp'ers feedback

NightbladeMechanics · July 2017

BraidasNM wrote: »

so sorry i hurt your positivity kena, ill leave you to your fantasy world where zos makes regular changes based on pvp'ers feedback

@usmcjdking has had multiple suggestions implemented over the years. @Asgari was noticed during the last PTS patch. I've had a few suggestions implemented. Morrowind sustain constrictions and HotR proc set nerfs are 100% driven by player feedback. ZOS doesn't move very quickly, but they do read the forums and consider our feedback. To suggest otherwise is to wear blinders.

Rickter · July 2017

@BraidasNM

I think its easy to think the Devs dont care about what you think. Fact is: even with a council of sorts, they may only take our concerns/suggestions with a grain of salt. But at the end of the day, and this is going to sound corny, its better to try and fail than never try at all.

These are words to live by that my Dad told me a long time ago: "if you dont ask, the answer is automatically no"

With a little play on words, it basically applies to Life.

ShadowProc · July 2017

Braidas was trying to help the newer players. Those here since the beginning know that unlike most other MMO's, for whatever reason these developers do not communicate with their players. There should be quick, minor balance patches instead of these drastic, often not fully tested, patches that break more stuff.

At this point literally the most important factor, and probably only one, is will a decision create more revenue for the company. Feedback is unwelcome. They create feedback threads and then do not respond to any of it.

This game is a shadow of its former self at launch. Destroyed. Now it is a means to an end for most that are left, as they wait patiently for the next MMO of its kind. But make no mistake, when it comes we are gone.

To the OP, I applaude your effort. Don't take what Braidas pointed out personally. He has been here since the beginning, and was trying to save your breath and others.

Rickter · July 2017

Ive been here since the beginning. and I have seen both major improvements and some silly mistakes. I really care about this game and its future. I have fostered a community and put myself SECOND for over 3 straight years. as such, this is my opportunity to represent something I've built and invest in on a daily basis. and I'd rather say i tried then not.

if this gets big, and ZOS takes notice and works with the players, dont you want to be there saying "i was there, I helped" ?

NightbladeMechanics · July 2017

ShadowProc wrote: »

Braidas was trying to help the newer players. Those here since the beginning know that unlike most other MMO's, for whatever reason these developers do not communicate with their players. There should be quick, minor balance patches instead of these drastic, often not fully tested, patches that break more stuff.

At this point literally the most important factor, and probably only one, is will a decision create more revenue for the company. Feedback is unwelcome. They create feedback threads and then do not respond to any of it.

This game is a shadow of its former self at launch. Destroyed. Now it is a means to an end for most that are left, as they wait patiently for the next MMO of its kind. But make no mistake, when it comes we are gone.

To the OP, I applaude your effort. Don't take what Braidas pointed out personally. He has been here since the beginning, and was trying to save your breath and others.

I played the game through beta and launch to now, and I disagree with most of this.

I do agree that they need to release more frequent patches and communicate more. However, you need to look at the big picture.

First off, revenue is every company and every game's primary concern. Every game is a means to a paycheck. Don't be naive.

ZOS abandoned PvP as the core focus of the game because the lag was unfixable for a long time. They saved the game with the Crown Store and console releases. However, as they've made steady improvements to the lag over the last year, they've also increased their communication with PvPers and their focus on PvP balance and performance. They worked on Battlegrounds forever, stated that this year's main priority is PvP performance, and balanced Morrowind and HotR around PvP issues. They have responded to feedback threads during PTS cycles, had myself and a few others in chat rooms in constant contact with devs since One Tamriel, and shown interest in a Cyrodiil Council providing broader feedback. They are listening. You are simply jaded from past neglect and pessimism.

As for patch frequency, add that to the list of feedback. Rolling the game out on consoles kept the lights on when it was struggling, but also made releasing patches expensive and time consuming. That is why we get 4 per year. I wonder if ZOS could do more frequent patches for PC and keep the quarterly releases for console. That's a question for them.

FYI if and when you leave for the next MMO, ESO won't be going anywhere. Performance has been improving steadily over the years. Balance has been improving steadily since they goofed it up with Dark Brotherhood patch. You may miss permabat sorcs and mDKs walking in Standards from the early days, but the game is vastly improved since then and is growing strongly now.

Nermy · July 2017

ShadowProc wrote: »

To the OP, I applaude your effort. Don't take what Braidas pointed out personally. He has been here since the beginning, and was trying to save your breath and others.

Rickter wrote: »

Ive been here since the beginning. and I have seen both major improvements and some silly mistakes. I really care about this game and its future. I have fostered a community and put myself SECOND for over 3 straight years. as such, this is my opportunity to represent something I've built and invest in on a daily basis. and I'd rather say i tried then not.

if this gets big, and ZOS takes notice and works with the players, dont you want to be there saying "i was there, I helped" ?

I've also been here since beta and as a guild leader of a PvP guild on the EU server and I would like to see if there is a chance for our feedback and input to have a positive effect on the game. Mainly as the PvP doesn't seem to be getting the love it requires. Oh, and the PvP event is great but we need lasting change and tweaks.

Nivellan · July 2017

BraidasNM wrote: »

Nermy wrote: »

BraidasNM wrote: »

Nermy wrote: »

BraidasNM wrote: »

Nermy wrote: »

BraidasNM wrote: »

you know that zos has to want your feedback for this to have any purpose right

Have you read through the posts or just the first few?

how are any of the posts relevant to what i said

Because there are quite a few posts saying exactly this and how the OP and the rest of us are very aware of it. I just wondered if you'd read them or not before saying the same thing but not offering anything constructive.

im not reading thru a 4pg thread on a pointless topic thx, just wanted to say you cant give feedback to someone who doesn't want (or wont use) any feedback. if you and op were already of that you wouldn't waste your time lmao

Thanks for your consideration. If you consider it pointless, I wonder why you commented? lol! We are well aware that ZoS will have to want our feedback and that is why the OP and subsequent posters have talked about the need for positive and constructive feedback of a mature nature. I have had whispers from ZoS that they have been burnt doing this before and therefore will want to see that it is only for the good of the PvP community and the furtherment of the game before they will consider co-operating in any further discussion.

i commented to tell ppl it is pointless...lol!

they've been burnt? only positive and mature? that's interesting. @Nivellan way to go alacrity you ruined it for everyone bc you hurt some devs feelings

No idea what you're talking about

I also find the idea that they're listening more now lacking @KenaPKK

ZOS has received feedback from numerous PvP guilds before, a nice bit of them were invited to the guild summit too. There's never been a lack of feedback from the community the issue was always what feedback ZOS listened to, or what changes they made that absolutely no one asked for. We had a fine game before and it's taking years to try and get back there.

NightbladeMechanics · July 2017

Nivellan wrote: »

BraidasNM wrote: »

Nermy wrote: »

BraidasNM wrote: »

Nermy wrote: »

BraidasNM wrote: »

Nermy wrote: »

BraidasNM wrote: »

you know that zos has to want your feedback for this to have any purpose right

Have you read through the posts or just the first few?

how are any of the posts relevant to what i said

Because there are quite a few posts saying exactly this and how the OP and the rest of us are very aware of it. I just wondered if you'd read them or not before saying the same thing but not offering anything constructive.

im not reading thru a 4pg thread on a pointless topic thx, just wanted to say you cant give feedback to someone who doesn't want (or wont use) any feedback. if you and op were already of that you wouldn't waste your time lmao

Thanks for your consideration. If you consider it pointless, I wonder why you commented? lol! We are well aware that ZoS will have to want our feedback and that is why the OP and subsequent posters have talked about the need for positive and constructive feedback of a mature nature. I have had whispers from ZoS that they have been burnt doing this before and therefore will want to see that it is only for the good of the PvP community and the furtherment of the game before they will consider co-operating in any further discussion.

i commented to tell ppl it is pointless...lol!

they've been burnt? only positive and mature? that's interesting. @Nivellan way to go alacrity you ruined it for everyone bc you hurt some devs feelings

No idea what you're talking about

I also find the idea that they're listening more now lacking @KenaPKK

ZOS has received feedback from numerous PvP guilds before, a nice bit of them were invited to the guild summit too. There's never been a lack of feedback from the community the issue was always what feedback ZOS listened to, or what changes they made that absolutely no one asked for. We had a fine game before and it's taking years to try and get back there.

The evidence is right in front of you. I already explained it. You have to look past "before" and see what they've done more recently.

I understand if that's difficult after being ignored for years. That's the same issue Braidas is having. But in order to move forward, we have to see ZOS in light of their recent actions and patches.

We're in the middle of a well executed and already highly successful PvP holiday event for goodness' sake. Look how deliberately it's timed. A bunch of new players just bought the game with the Morrowind release and have had the perfect amount of time since the patch to level their characters through casual questing and exploration before becoming curious about what's next.

RinaldoGandolphi · July 2017

I just want to reiterate that i really believe IF they could actually fix the lag (By re-writing the netcode to use Reliable UDP with custom error handling and only use TCP for an authentication control channel to prevent spoofs) That the majority of the games perceived problems would literally solve themselves.

If they are unwilling to re-write the netcode, then they simply need to buy/rent more servers then.

If you have software that scales poorly(ESO current client and server side software scales very poorly in conditions that Cyrodiil and Trials represent) then you simply throw MORE hardware number crunching power at the issue until you get past the poor optimization by brute forcing it with raw computing power.

this is what Microsoft does with the Azure Cloud, this is what Amazon does with their Cloud, this is what Intel, AMD, Nvidia do with new hardware releases, they just keep adding more brute force number crunching power.

I understand re-writing the netcode would be a huge undertaking, but buying/renting more hardware is merely an expense. This event shows that if PVP doesn't lag its a very popular thing. As a laymen its obvious that getting more raw number crunching compute power would be the easiest path forward...just buy 400% more then you need...always go overkill...

You can never have enough hardware raw computing power just like you cna never have enough bandwidth.

Buy more Server power, lots of it and see how things go...I bet it makes a big difference.

Nivellan · July 2017

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Nivellan wrote: »

BraidasNM wrote: »

Nermy wrote: »

BraidasNM wrote: »

Nermy wrote: »

BraidasNM wrote: »

Nermy wrote: »

BraidasNM wrote: »

you know that zos has to want your feedback for this to have any purpose right

Have you read through the posts or just the first few?

how are any of the posts relevant to what i said

Because there are quite a few posts saying exactly this and how the OP and the rest of us are very aware of it. I just wondered if you'd read them or not before saying the same thing but not offering anything constructive.

im not reading thru a 4pg thread on a pointless topic thx, just wanted to say you cant give feedback to someone who doesn't want (or wont use) any feedback. if you and op were already of that you wouldn't waste your time lmao

Thanks for your consideration. If you consider it pointless, I wonder why you commented? lol! We are well aware that ZoS will have to want our feedback and that is why the OP and subsequent posters have talked about the need for positive and constructive feedback of a mature nature. I have had whispers from ZoS that they have been burnt doing this before and therefore will want to see that it is only for the good of the PvP community and the furtherment of the game before they will consider co-operating in any further discussion.

i commented to tell ppl it is pointless...lol!

they've been burnt? only positive and mature? that's interesting. @Nivellan way to go alacrity you ruined it for everyone bc you hurt some devs feelings

No idea what you're talking about

I also find the idea that they're listening more now lacking @KenaPKK

ZOS has received feedback from numerous PvP guilds before, a nice bit of them were invited to the guild summit too. There's never been a lack of feedback from the community the issue was always what feedback ZOS listened to, or what changes they made that absolutely no one asked for. We had a fine game before and it's taking years to try and get back there.

The evidence is right in front of you. I already explained it. You have to look past "before" and see what they've done more recently.

I understand if that's difficult after being ignored for years. That's the same issue Braidas is having. But in order to move forward, we have to see ZOS in light of their recent actions and patches.

We're in the middle of a well executed and already highly successful PvP holiday event for goodness' sake. Look how deliberately it's timed. A bunch of new players just bought the game with the Morrowind release and have had the perfect amount of time since the patch to level their characters through casual questing and exploration before becoming curious about what's next.

I've been in guild meetings with ZOS since craglorn patch, so I think I know a little bit. I didn't say they ignored feedback because they don't. They listen to all feedback. When I say "the issue is what feedback they listened to" I mean it in they chose to take that feedback into consideration for the development of the game over what was better feedback.

Bromburak · July 2017

Dreyloch wrote: »

What I meant was ZoS in general has quite a bit.

Yeah they bite pretty hard.

tinythinker · July 2017

Well, if it works, send them this link (they can scroll down to the PvP section) from me: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2403049#Comment_2403049

Dutchessx · July 2017

When are we doing this so I can see about my schedule?

Rickter · July 2017

@Dutchessx its happening in Discord right now. message @Vincelex for invite

Dutchessx · July 2017

Sorry for the confusion - I have an invite just is there going to be a specific time to get together for discussions?

NightbladeMechanics · July 2017

Dutchessx wrote: »

Sorry for the confusion - I have an invite just is there going to be a specific time to get together for discussions?

Read in the Discord. We are adding our priority issues to a Google doc, and then the most frequently mentioned issues will be made into text channels for ongoing discussions. Once we have exhausted discussions, we will reach out to ZOS with concrete suggestions which we have come to agree on. We've already had some intense discussion about player-based aoe damage in the General channel.

There are too many people present to have a sit-down discussion in voice chat.

NightbladeMechanics · July 2017

Nivellan wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Nivellan wrote: »

BraidasNM wrote: »

Nermy wrote: »

BraidasNM wrote: »

Nermy wrote: »

BraidasNM wrote: »

Nermy wrote: »

BraidasNM wrote: »

you know that zos has to want your feedback for this to have any purpose right

Have you read through the posts or just the first few?

how are any of the posts relevant to what i said

Because there are quite a few posts saying exactly this and how the OP and the rest of us are very aware of it. I just wondered if you'd read them or not before saying the same thing but not offering anything constructive.

im not reading thru a 4pg thread on a pointless topic thx, just wanted to say you cant give feedback to someone who doesn't want (or wont use) any feedback. if you and op were already of that you wouldn't waste your time lmao

Thanks for your consideration. If you consider it pointless, I wonder why you commented? lol! We are well aware that ZoS will have to want our feedback and that is why the OP and subsequent posters have talked about the need for positive and constructive feedback of a mature nature. I have had whispers from ZoS that they have been burnt doing this before and therefore will want to see that it is only for the good of the PvP community and the furtherment of the game before they will consider co-operating in any further discussion.

i commented to tell ppl it is pointless...lol!

they've been burnt? only positive and mature? that's interesting. @Nivellan way to go alacrity you ruined it for everyone bc you hurt some devs feelings

No idea what you're talking about

I also find the idea that they're listening more now lacking @KenaPKK

ZOS has received feedback from numerous PvP guilds before, a nice bit of them were invited to the guild summit too. There's never been a lack of feedback from the community the issue was always what feedback ZOS listened to, or what changes they made that absolutely no one asked for. We had a fine game before and it's taking years to try and get back there.

The evidence is right in front of you. I already explained it. You have to look past "before" and see what they've done more recently.

I understand if that's difficult after being ignored for years. That's the same issue Braidas is having. But in order to move forward, we have to see ZOS in light of their recent actions and patches.

We're in the middle of a well executed and already highly successful PvP holiday event for goodness' sake. Look how deliberately it's timed. A bunch of new players just bought the game with the Morrowind release and have had the perfect amount of time since the patch to level their characters through casual questing and exploration before becoming curious about what's next.

I've been in guild meetings with ZOS since craglorn patch, so I think I know a little bit. I didn't say they ignored feedback because they don't. They listen to all feedback. When I say "the issue is what feedback they listened to" I mean it in they chose to take that feedback into consideration for the development of the game over what was better feedback.

Seems they've chosen pretty good feedback to listen to lately. Sustain constrictions, heavy armor nerfs, proc set nerfs, Midyear Mayhem. They're improving and listening better than in the past. That's my whole point.

Now let's reach out and try to make it more of a two-way conversation.

Nivellan · July 2017

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Nivellan wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Nivellan wrote: »

BraidasNM wrote: »

Nermy wrote: »

BraidasNM wrote: »

Nermy wrote: »

BraidasNM wrote: »

Nermy wrote: »

BraidasNM wrote: »

you know that zos has to want your feedback for this to have any purpose right

Have you read through the posts or just the first few?

how are any of the posts relevant to what i said

Because there are quite a few posts saying exactly this and how the OP and the rest of us are very aware of it. I just wondered if you'd read them or not before saying the same thing but not offering anything constructive.

im not reading thru a 4pg thread on a pointless topic thx, just wanted to say you cant give feedback to someone who doesn't want (or wont use) any feedback. if you and op were already of that you wouldn't waste your time lmao

Thanks for your consideration. If you consider it pointless, I wonder why you commented? lol! We are well aware that ZoS will have to want our feedback and that is why the OP and subsequent posters have talked about the need for positive and constructive feedback of a mature nature. I have had whispers from ZoS that they have been burnt doing this before and therefore will want to see that it is only for the good of the PvP community and the furtherment of the game before they will consider co-operating in any further discussion.

i commented to tell ppl it is pointless...lol!

they've been burnt? only positive and mature? that's interesting. @Nivellan way to go alacrity you ruined it for everyone bc you hurt some devs feelings

No idea what you're talking about

I also find the idea that they're listening more now lacking @KenaPKK

ZOS has received feedback from numerous PvP guilds before, a nice bit of them were invited to the guild summit too. There's never been a lack of feedback from the community the issue was always what feedback ZOS listened to, or what changes they made that absolutely no one asked for. We had a fine game before and it's taking years to try and get back there.

The evidence is right in front of you. I already explained it. You have to look past "before" and see what they've done more recently.

I understand if that's difficult after being ignored for years. That's the same issue Braidas is having. But in order to move forward, we have to see ZOS in light of their recent actions and patches.

We're in the middle of a well executed and already highly successful PvP holiday event for goodness' sake. Look how deliberately it's timed. A bunch of new players just bought the game with the Morrowind release and have had the perfect amount of time since the patch to level their characters through casual questing and exploration before becoming curious about what's next.

I've been in guild meetings with ZOS since craglorn patch, so I think I know a little bit. I didn't say they ignored feedback because they don't. They listen to all feedback. When I say "the issue is what feedback they listened to" I mean it in they chose to take that feedback into consideration for the development of the game over what was better feedback.

Seems they've chosen pretty good feedback to listen to lately. Sustain constrictions, heavy armor nerfs, proc set nerfs, Midyear Mayhem. They're improving and listening better than in the past. That's my whole point.

Now let's reach out and try to make it more of a two-way conversation.

I like what they're doing next patch but it's only going to fix so much. The balance in the game is out of whack and the only part of the game that kind of shines is small group fights. There's nothing to be seen in the patch notes for next patch that will suggest that changes. The majority of changes are going to more balance those small group fights and something will imbalance cyrodiil on a whole even more. Battlegrounds are a failure because they can't keep peoples' interest.

I'm waiting for a good patch that doesn't have zos also sticking their foot in their mouth. I feel we're moving in the right direction but there's always that which we have to deal with.

edit: There's nothing to be lost by doing this whole thing. Just pointing things out. One mistake can always, and has, ruined many good things in this game.

robskij · July 2017

The Daggerfall Army (DA) on the EU Server is willing to participate.

Cheers

Lord Robskij
GM DA (EU)

NightbladeMechanics · July 2017

Nivellan wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Nivellan wrote: »

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Nivellan wrote: »

BraidasNM wrote: »

Nermy wrote: »

BraidasNM wrote: »

Nermy wrote: »

BraidasNM wrote: »

Nermy wrote: »

BraidasNM wrote: »

you know that zos has to want your feedback for this to have any purpose right

Have you read through the posts or just the first few?

how are any of the posts relevant to what i said

Because there are quite a few posts saying exactly this and how the OP and the rest of us are very aware of it. I just wondered if you'd read them or not before saying the same thing but not offering anything constructive.

im not reading thru a 4pg thread on a pointless topic thx, just wanted to say you cant give feedback to someone who doesn't want (or wont use) any feedback. if you and op were already of that you wouldn't waste your time lmao

Thanks for your consideration. If you consider it pointless, I wonder why you commented? lol! We are well aware that ZoS will have to want our feedback and that is why the OP and subsequent posters have talked about the need for positive and constructive feedback of a mature nature. I have had whispers from ZoS that they have been burnt doing this before and therefore will want to see that it is only for the good of the PvP community and the furtherment of the game before they will consider co-operating in any further discussion.

i commented to tell ppl it is pointless...lol!

they've been burnt? only positive and mature? that's interesting. @Nivellan way to go alacrity you ruined it for everyone bc you hurt some devs feelings

No idea what you're talking about

I also find the idea that they're listening more now lacking @KenaPKK

ZOS has received feedback from numerous PvP guilds before, a nice bit of them were invited to the guild summit too. There's never been a lack of feedback from the community the issue was always what feedback ZOS listened to, or what changes they made that absolutely no one asked for. We had a fine game before and it's taking years to try and get back there.

The evidence is right in front of you. I already explained it. You have to look past "before" and see what they've done more recently.

I understand if that's difficult after being ignored for years. That's the same issue Braidas is having. But in order to move forward, we have to see ZOS in light of their recent actions and patches.

We're in the middle of a well executed and already highly successful PvP holiday event for goodness' sake. Look how deliberately it's timed. A bunch of new players just bought the game with the Morrowind release and have had the perfect amount of time since the patch to level their characters through casual questing and exploration before becoming curious about what's next.

I've been in guild meetings with ZOS since craglorn patch, so I think I know a little bit. I didn't say they ignored feedback because they don't. They listen to all feedback. When I say "the issue is what feedback they listened to" I mean it in they chose to take that feedback into consideration for the development of the game over what was better feedback.

Seems they've chosen pretty good feedback to listen to lately. Sustain constrictions, heavy armor nerfs, proc set nerfs, Midyear Mayhem. They're improving and listening better than in the past. That's my whole point.

Now let's reach out and try to make it more of a two-way conversation.

I like what they're doing next patch but it's only going to fix so much. The balance in the game is out of whack and the only part of the game that kind of shines is small group fights. There's nothing to be seen in the patch notes for next patch that will suggest that changes. The majority of changes are going to more balance those small group fights and something will imbalance cyrodiil on a whole even more. Battlegrounds are a failure because they can't keep peoples' interest.

I'm waiting for a good patch that doesn't have zos also sticking their foot in their mouth. I feel we're moving in the right direction but there's always that which we have to deal with.

edit: There's nothing to be lost by doing this whole thing. Just pointing things out. One mistake can always, and has, ruined many good things in this game.

What "something" is going to imbalance things more?

They're sticking their foot in their mouth because they mucked up balance last year with the heavy armor and proc set buffs and the creation of destro ult. So what? ZOS was new to mmos when they took on this game, and the current dev team isn't the original. Let them live, let them learn. Be thankful they are fixing their mistakes, even if it's taking forever and there's still work to be done, and don't impede our attempts to guide them with your arbitrary pessimism.

usmcjdking · July 2017

This is a great idea.

If you don't think the developers listen, look at, test and implement changes that are borne of these very forums then I'd like you to know that the sky has infact not fallen during the course of human history.

The issue the developers have is that are monumentally slow for some of the more dramatic changes that need to happen. It's not necessarily that they aren't working dilligently, they simply are not leveraging the PTS to it's full capability. For as bad as the game degenerated, Neverwinter was AMAZING for it did with it's PTS. Users would make suggestions (within reason), those suggestions would be handpicked and be uploaded onto the test shard, and honest impartial users would provide feedback on those changes. A lot didn't stick, but some did and it made for a more balanced game until it went full P2W.

ZOS has an internal process which does the same thing but it's simply behind closed doors during the actual numerical testing. This takes time because they do not have 100 unpaid testers doing the work for them. 6 months to a year for this process is reasonable given that information. However, given that process, it is an unreasonable for me to maintain my activity in the game, as I would imagine it is for others.

Edit: I think council is the wrong direction. IMO access to internal test servers with duEmmy accounts (with only base game access) would be the appropriate idea. Giving ZOS suggestions is great but there are literally hundreds of posts daily with suggestions. It's needs to be a win/win instead of a win/don't get ***. ZOS gets a larger, generally more informed and involved testing base which never hurts.

TL;DR - ZOS reads and implements PLAYER based suggestions. Process is arduously slow. Should open internal testing to select players to help speed the process along.