CALLING ALL GUILD PVP GUILD LEADERS AND CONCERNED CITIZENS! Council is Set-up, gathering members!

Ghost-Shot

This would be great if it can get some attention from ZOS.

NightbladeMechanics

Yea they ignored us.

AbraXuSeXile

Honestly dont bother you'll just up chasing that carrot on a stick, dont want to put a downer on it but i was part of the group who tried and they shunned it.

sirston

This happened back in Feb of 2015? when Pride of The Pact was around they talked in ts for 5mins then left saying thanks for the feedback. Non of the feedback was used and seemed like talking to a wall. If they took feedback serious, they would have polls and constant feedback systems.

Vincelex

Well even if ZOS completely ignores this, I still have the goal of creating a community hub of PVP guilds where we can all interact with each other. We can still collaborate as players and maybe if ZOS sees that we are united in issues things can change. That is my opinion.

Minno

Vincelex wrote: »

Well even if ZOS completely ignores this, I still have the goal of creating a community hub of PVP guilds where we can all interact with each other. We can still collaborate as players and maybe if ZOS sees that we are united in issues things can change. That is my opinion.

Crown has/had a PvP channel on discord. Work looking up as the intention was to have everyone in one place to create "frenemies"

TBois

I was part of meetings with zos as part of Decibel. They did implement some of our suggestions after a long period of time. One notable change was spreading out the map by making towns capturable. I will say most of the guild had left by the time any significant changes had been made.

Rickter

each server has vastly different environments. making a change thats good for one server doesnt translate to good for another server. what topics are aimed for discussion here? bugs and exploits? quality of life? general improvements?

Cyrodiil hasnt changed too much in 3 years. Im not sure there is a whole lot more that can be contributed that cant be done on the forums.

Anazasi

It's an extremely novel idea. But the basis for it is far too reaching. ZOS can obtain all the opinions they need from reading the forums and that suffice it to say is enough for them. Look at it from there perspective, do they want to spend 4 hours a month on someones salary listening to players on top of all the other hours they spend on reading the forums and then finally getting into the data mining, coding and then testing a possible fix to something they already know is the issue. To ZOS pvp is not episodic enough to warrant the time sink you all want. My best advice is to post your idea's on the public forum and continue to demand ZOS at least acknowledge that they have read the thread. A simple yeah we know or good idea posted by a green name would be enough to let the community know ZOS cares.

fastolfv_ESO

highly doubt this ones gonna happen, had my co guildleader in the last one zenimax had with trade guilds pvp guilds etc and the whole thing was screwed up. They took very little feedback and just had it to pass along info on things in developement. Been leading a pvp guild for 2 years now and i can tell you zenimax doesnt want my opinion or anyone elses that doesnt stream to promote the game

HoloYoitsu

Is this gona be Netflix and Salt 2.0?

FENGRUSH

The council of PVPers already exists. It is Lord FENGRUSH.

Nivellan

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Is this gona be Netflix and Salt 2.0?

If only

The weird thing is people who made that guild what it was are mostly in a new guild and there's basically no salt. How time causes people to just not care about this game so much anymore.

IcyDeadPeople

Turelus wrote: »

If this is going to be set up I would imagine a Discord or Slack group with representatives from each PVP guild which wishes to contribute having a place to speak with Wheeler, Rich and Wrobel directly. Of course this would be on the condition of good behaviour and anyone smacking them would be banned from the program.
A place where the guild reps can give direct feedback and get answers to questions which would push towards a better Cyrodiil and PvP game for everyone.

There are quite a lot of people who spend all their time in PVP who are not in any kind of guild and don't run with guild groups etc. The interests of PVP guild groups are sometimes similar to solo players, but sometimes quite different.

If you want to provide feedback that represents the collective interest of the PVP community, I would suggest to invite the solo players and people who are not in any guild to participate in this process.

br0steen

FENGRUSH wrote: »

The council of PVPers already exists. It is Lord FENGRUSH.

If that's the case, they clearly don't watch your rant videos or listen to any of your ideas.

FENGRUSH

br0steen wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

The council of PVPers already exists. It is Lord FENGRUSH.

If that's the case, they clearly don't watch your rant videos or listen to any of your ideas.

Confirmed

Dreyloch

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

Alacrity and a few other guilds used to have meetings in TS to provide feedback in the first year of the game. So did some prominent trade guilds.

It was always just done as another method of feedback though - they still gather feedback from forums, tickets, messages etc. Whilst the feedback they get has some influence on decision making, in the end zos will always take the game in the direction that they believe is best and what works for them.

@Rickter They value feedback from people like you just as much as streamers etc. You just need to talk to them in a professional manner and present ideas to them in a constructive and positive way.

For as long as I've played this game, it seems this is not the case. There have been hundreds of great ideas and feedback and while some were pretty outlandish, others were very well thought out and constructed to give the least amount of work (imo) for ZoS to implement or at least TRY. Most of it just never goes anywhere. It seems to me the loudest voices for nerfs are all that gets through to them. Along with the "occasional" QoL improvement such as the AP banking. (Albeit a GREAT one, props on that)

But otherwise, it's like playing pen and paper D&D and having a Dungeon master that isn't qualified to even be at the table.Making rash decisions and only lashing out like a confused child and nerfing us all just to make the complaints stop.

I mean seriously, how many PvP nerfs have there been for DK's alone? I have one of each kind and refuse to bother playing them now cause they have been nerfed into obscurity. Let alone the fact they have zero escapability like Sorcs or NB's do? How about nerfing the heck out of templars' healing? Where did this come from? My guild only lets a select few even bring a templar to raid at all these days.

For ZoS to think that doing either kind of playstyle should feel the same and have no changes to gear and skills and CP's is without a doubt the worst thing for this game. The best thing IMO would be to rework the PvP all the way around and make it into a seperate game at this point. Branch it off, do it right...and watch how many come to it. But there I go into another outlandish idea that will never come to pass /sigh

Nivellan

Dreyloch wrote: »

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

Alacrity and a few other guilds used to have meetings in TS to provide feedback in the first year of the game. So did some prominent trade guilds.

It was always just done as another method of feedback though - they still gather feedback from forums, tickets, messages etc. Whilst the feedback they get has some influence on decision making, in the end zos will always take the game in the direction that they believe is best and what works for them.

@Rickter They value feedback from people like you just as much as streamers etc. You just need to talk to them in a professional manner and present ideas to them in a constructive and positive way.

For as long as I've played this game, it seems this is not the case. There have been hundreds of great ideas and feedback and while some were pretty outlandish, others were very well thought out and constructed to give the least amount of work (imo) for ZoS to implement or at least TRY. Most of it just never goes anywhere. It seems to me the loudest voices for nerfs are all that gets through to them. Along with the "occasional" QoL improvement such as the AP banking. (Albeit a GREAT one, props on that)

But otherwise, it's like playing pen and paper D&D and having a Dungeon master that isn't qualified to even be at the table.Making rash decisions and only lashing out like a confused child and nerfing us all just to make the complaints stop.

I mean seriously, how many PvP nerfs have there been for DK's alone? I have one of each kind and refuse to bother playing them now cause they have been nerfed into obscurity. Let alone the fact they have zero escapability like Sorcs or NB's do? How about nerfing the heck out of templars' healing? Where did this come from? My guild only lets a select few even bring a templar to raid at all these days.

For ZoS to think that doing either kind of playstyle should feel the same and have no changes to gear and skills and CP's is without a doubt the worst thing for this game. The best thing IMO would be to rework the PvP all the way around and make it into a seperate game at this point. Branch it off, do it right...and watch how many come to it. But there I go into another outlandish idea that will never come to pass /sigh

They do value the feedback that they receive via all platforms and from every type of person. What type of player you are, or where you give your feedback doesn't increase the chances that they'll implement your ideas. If it fits into their development plan they might fit it in. If it's a no-brainer, but doesn't fit, it'll get worked on and added eventually. Generally balance ideas don't much get the attention they deserve regardless of who they come from. That's the most unfortunate part. However, look at next patch and there's a lot of really good changes to item sets. So you can see they are listening, and at least the upcoming patch has some semblance of legitimate balancing without anything outlandish accompanying it. Too many times we'd have patches that incorporate some of the changes players would like to see only to get thrown a giant curveball with some other change no one asked for. That wasn't the feeling I got reading the patch notes for Reach.

Kilandros

Honestly I'd settle for ZOS just fixing the lag and the loading screens and the server crashes. But they can't. They can't even talk to us about those gamebreaking issues, so it's a bit naive to think they would bother caring about our opinions on things like balance. And, as others have said, this has been tried before; the players were ignored, performance continued to degrade, ZOS stopped communicating with us altogether.

But like, this development team allows GAMEBREAKING *** to go on for years. Bugs that other MMOs with smaller teams and smaller budgets would have weeded out long before now. But this Development team does nothing. Says nothing. Well, sometimes they mock us when they accidentally get caught on ESO Live talking about AOE caps when they think they're in break. But they've been silent on the loading screens even though the players identified the cause for them (invisible group members, for the most part). They've been silent on the lag spikes and the server crashes.

Why would they engage with us in polishing this game when they can't even give us a stable product? It's a nice thought and Vin I admire your optimism, but you're just wasting your time with these developers.

Ghost-Shot

Nivellan wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Is this gona be Netflix and Salt 2.0?

If only

The weird thing is people who made that guild what it was are mostly in a new guild and there's basically no salt. How time causes people to just not care about this game so much anymore.

We had that discussion in that guild a couple weeks ago, we even tried to start some drama. We all just don't care anymore.

Nivellan

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Nivellan wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Is this gona be Netflix and Salt 2.0?

If only

The weird thing is people who made that guild what it was are mostly in a new guild and there's basically no salt. How time causes people to just not care about this game so much anymore.

We had that discussion in that guild a couple weeks ago, we even tried to start some drama. We all just don't care anymore.

We're slowly becoming friends in our similar disinterest in the game.

Hoked_on_ponix

FENGRUSH wrote: »

The council of PVPers already exists. It is Lord FENGRUSH.

ETA on next rant video? Gina was using the onion analogy again during one of the eso live streams this time talking about BG queues as apposed to Cyrodiil Lag, great launching off point for you. I'll send you a bottle of whiskey.

CavalryPK

There should be a website that lets you add poll ing while also giving ability to have ppl add new names. such that who ever gets the most vote gets to be the representative.

Representative will then nominate board members. who will research the forums and provide consolidated feedback. The rep will then consolidate the consolidated feedback and present it to ZOS in a constructive manner.

Now were is the website ??????

Nivellan

CavalryPK wrote: »

There should be a website that lets you add poll ing while also giving ability to have ppl add new names. such that who ever gets the most vote gets to be the representative.

Representative will then nominate board members. who will research the forums and provide consolidated feedback. The rep will then consolidate the consolidated feedback and present it to ZOS in a constructive manner.

Now were is the website ??????

All that needs to happen is the respective players of guilds/groups/playstyles get together on Discord and a google doc. Discord is a debate platform and google doc is where the finished product goes. You're not going to agree on everything, so put both sides on the google doc. Once a month or once per patch (because you really do run out of things to discuss on the 2nd and 3rd months of a patch) post the finished document on the forums for public viewing/commenting and for ZOS to see a consolidated, holistic view on issues facing the game at the time. Should ZOS want to speak personally to the players they can decide to. Doing that is really up to them. Regardless of whether the group is spoken to or not over voice is irrelevant what matters is getting the feedback out. IMO that's what a community driven feedback session should be about. You could even have the document be public viewing and an ongoing discussion thread for it while the people in charge work on it, and they can gather feedback from the thread as well.

Vincelex

Nivellan wrote: »

CavalryPK wrote: »

There should be a website that lets you add poll ing while also giving ability to have ppl add new names. such that who ever gets the most vote gets to be the representative.

Representative will then nominate board members. who will research the forums and provide consolidated feedback. The rep will then consolidate the consolidated feedback and present it to ZOS in a constructive manner.

Now were is the website ??????

All that needs to happen is the respective players of guilds/groups/playstyles get together on Discord and a google doc. Discord is a debate platform and google doc is where the finished product goes. You're not going to agree on everything, so put both sides on the google doc. Once a month or once per patch (because you really do run out of things to discuss on the 2nd and 3rd months of a patch) post the finished document on the forums for public viewing/commenting and for ZOS to see a consolidated, holistic view on issues facing the game at the time. Should ZOS want to speak personally to the players they can decide to. Doing that is really up to them. Regardless of whether the group is spoken to or not over voice is irrelevant what matters is getting the feedback out. IMO that's what a community driven feedback session should be about. You could even have the document be public viewing and an ongoing discussion thread for it while the people in charge work on it, and they can gather feedback from the thread as well.

Like Nivellan is saying, the people who want to participate in this effort, I am sure understand that not everything or even anything at all we give as feedback will be acknowledged, but it is about putting the information out there in a unified and concise manner. Not having multiple threads that are lost in new threads being made all the time. But one thread every month or so that is exactly like Nivellan says our combined view as pvpers on the state of the game. The more participants, the more legitimate is gets and the more people will pay attention. I would love any and all the people who said they would want to participate or support this to send me a PM so we can get started on this process.

Vincelex

fastolfv_ESO wrote: »

highly doubt this ones gonna happen, had my co guildleader in the last one zenimax had with trade guilds pvp guilds etc and the whole thing was screwed up. They took very little feedback and just had it to pass along info on things in developement. Been leading a pvp guild for 2 years now and i can tell you zenimax doesnt want my opinion or anyone elses that doesnt stream to promote the game

This is happening but it takes more than people saying they want to do it and waiting for ZOS to respond, it takes action. I for one am not going to wait for ZOS to respond to do this. I am trying to do this because I want to and I thought others would want to as well. But again it takes participation and patience. This is about putting the information out there as feedback, and not just feedback, but UNIFIED FEEDBACK Super heavy emphasis on the UNIFIED.

SanTii.92

FENGRUSH wrote: »

The council of PVPers already exists. It is Lord FENGRUSH.

No wonder proc sets were op for so long.

WhiteMage

Sanct16 wrote: »

We tried to set something up like this.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler said he was interested but we should talk to @ZOS_GinaBruno , @ZOS_JessicaFolsom and/or @ZOS_RichLambert about it. Sadly, despite sending multiple requests to each of them, they didn't bother replying.

Heh, not too long ago I tried to do something similar with Wrobel. Still no reply from Gina, whom I believe he sent me to.

Vincelex

The Discord Channel is made, I have sent Direct Messages to the people who have stated interest or support in this idea. If there are any other guild/group leaders interested in joining this effort please message me, or if anyone knows any guild/group leaders that would want to join let them know, or let me know so I can contact them. Thanks everyone!

Rickter

has the Dicsord link been shared with ZOS personnel or is this strictly amoungst the players?