CALLING ALL GUILD PVP GUILD LEADERS AND CONCERNED CITIZENS! Council is Set-up, gathering members!

Aillen

Vincelex wrote: »

The Discord Channel is made, I have sent Direct Messages to the people who have stated interest or support in this idea. If there are any other guild/group leaders interested in joining this effort please message me, or if anyone knows any guild/group leaders that would want to join let them know, or let me know so I can contact them. Thanks everyone!

Love Den is in! Let me know what you need and we'd be glad to assist! @Vincelex

Rickter

Vincelex wrote: »

Emasculate wrote: »

I am the Guild Leader of House of Shadows, I would love to participate in a meeting to discuss a variety of functions, mechanics, and details of Elder Scrolls Online. Please send me a invitation to this meeting of fine established houses. Until next time.

Can't tell if troll or not...

House of shadows is a legit pvp guild. Ive coordinated with them before on Sotha

Vincelex

Rickter wrote: »

Vincelex wrote: »

Emasculate wrote: »

I am the Guild Leader of House of Shadows, I would love to participate in a meeting to discuss a variety of functions, mechanics, and details of Elder Scrolls Online. Please send me a invitation to this meeting of fine established houses. Until next time.

Can't tell if troll or not...

House of shadows is a legit pvp guild. Ive coordinated with them before on Sotha

alright, the response just seemed so troll like

Minno

Vincelex wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

Vincelex wrote: »

Emasculate wrote: »

I am the Guild Leader of House of Shadows, I would love to participate in a meeting to discuss a variety of functions, mechanics, and details of Elder Scrolls Online. Please send me a invitation to this meeting of fine established houses. Until next time.

Can't tell if troll or not...

House of shadows is a legit pvp guild. Ive coordinated with them before on Sotha

alright, the response just seemed so troll like

Doesn't help the forum name is "emasculate" lol.

leeux

I'd suggest making the discord public, but only giving rights to talk/write to people that have PMed you.
This way, it'd be something public and visible to everyone and not some shady group pushing its hidden agenda... Just my 2c.

Vincelex

leeux wrote: »

I'd suggest making the discord public, but only giving rights to talk/write to people that have PMed you.
This way, it'd be something public and visible to everyone and not some shady group pushing its hidden agenda... Just my 2c.

a good idea, maybe one we'll do once we get most if not all interested parties in

Claire

Lemme know if you ever need representation from a smaller guild/group @Vincelex.

Vincelex

Claire wrote: »

Lemme know if you ever need representation from a smaller guild/group @Vincelex.

@Claire Who do u represent if I may ask, and I welcome any and all guild/groups to participate if they want to, not really a quota or a limit on how many. More viewpoints the better

DisgracefulMind

Might as well offer to step in for Fair Weather Friends. Might seem to most that most of our players are just black faction, and hop around, but I think we all share some pretty valid opinions and concerns about small and large scale PvP alike. I'm Invictus core, but I'll leave that to the officers to decide. I'd just like FWF to have a voice as we're a long time guild full of players from all playstyles and all factions, newer and players from launch alike. Also I'm the only extremely active officer atm, but can let you know if Fairly wants to step in as well.

BraidasNM

you know that zos has to want your feedback for this to have any purpose right

Nermy

BraidasNM wrote: »

you know that zos has to want your feedback for this to have any purpose right

Have you read through the posts or just the first few?

RinaldoGandolphi

While I do think this is a very well intentioned effort, and I will do everything I can do to support you in your efforts. I don't think we will get anywhere.

My reasons for this are very simple.

The only REAL problem with the game is LAG

If the lag was fixed, everything else would literally fix itself and sort itself out.

I wrote a very detailed write up on this back in March of 2016

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/256376/eso-performance-and-lag-technical-discussion/p1

I have resigned its just doubtful this will ever be fixed.

Rickter

@RinaldoGandolphi I respect you a lot and I read your write up but, I humbly disagree. I think things like Emperor flipping and lack of community driven incentives for cyrodiil, a rework of the emperorship acquisition etc deserves a second look by ZOS.

lag is a problem but its one ZOS knows about and works on everyday (seriously) so its like, bottom of the totem pole on constructive ideas/concerns.

RinaldoGandolphi

Rickter wrote: »

@RinaldoGandolphi I respect you a lot and I read your write up but, I humbly disagree. I think things like Emperor flipping and lack of community driven incentives for cyrodiil, a rework of the emperorship acquisition etc deserves a second look by ZOS.

lag is a problem but its one ZOS knows about and works on everyday (seriously) so its like, bottom of the totem pole on constructive ideas/concerns.

Thats OK, its fine to disagree.

The things you listed there are important, and maybe would deserve a second look, but only AFTER fixing the lag problems. It does no good to fix the other things if the core game doesn't function. We both know, fights at the last Emp keep pretty much makes the entire campaign unplayable until they dethrone. Thats simply not acceptable. This has been going on for far too long.

You do realize at launch the game allowed 1800 people per campaign? (that was the total pop limit for all 3 factions in Cyrodiil)

https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/6533

That number has been reduced numerous times since and i think were down to about 150-200 per alliance. Yet the game still lags. Cyrodiil is a ghost town compared to what it was in 2014 and early 2015

Yes, i'd like to see the things you mentioned revisted, but i'd have way more fun with the lag free game we had in 2014 pior to the Lighting Patch....anyone who was around and PVP in those times that is still left here knows how fun and lag free it was...combat actually worked.

Look at the video below. Look at how many people are fight there and not even a single hit to FPS or lag at all, NONE. the game used to work. You have that many players in one place now, and even with a overclocked 7700k and a GTX 1080 your gonna get huge FPS drops and server side lag....it used to work before. I don't think its unreasonable to ask for it to work again?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUzFW0Y11BM

Or go to the 3 minute mark here look at all those people and no FPS loss or lag...you got that many people in one place in the game now and it would be unplayable

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DV9TwsosyI

Dreyloch

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

@RinaldoGandolphi I respect you a lot and I read your write up but, I humbly disagree. I think things like Emperor flipping and lack of community driven incentives for cyrodiil, a rework of the emperorship acquisition etc deserves a second look by ZOS.

lag is a problem but its one ZOS knows about and works on everyday (seriously) so its like, bottom of the totem pole on constructive ideas/concerns.

Thats OK, its fine to disagree.

The things you listed there are important, and maybe would deserve a second look, but only AFTER fixing the lag problems. It does no good to fix the other things if the core game doesn't function. We both know, fights at the last Emp keep pretty much makes the entire campaign unplayable until they dethrone. Thats simply not acceptable. This has been going on for far too long.

You do realize at launch the game allowed 1800 people per campaign? (that was the total pop limit for all 3 factions in Cyrodiil)

https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/6533

That number has been reduced numerous times since and i think were down to about 150-200 per alliance. Yet the game still lags. Cyrodiil is a ghost town compared to what it was in 2014 and early 2015

Yes, i'd like to see the things you mentioned revisted, but i'd have way more fun with the lag free game we had in 2014 pior to the Lighting Patch....anyone who was around and PVP in those times that is still left here knows how fun and lag free it was...combat actually worked.

Look at the video below. Look at how many people are fight there and not even a single hit to FPS or lag at all, NONE. the game used to work. You have that many players in one place now, and even with a overclocked 7700k and a GTX 1080 your gonna get huge FPS drops and server side lag....it used to work before. I don't think its unreasonable to ask for it to work again?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUzFW0Y11BM

Or go to the 3 minute mark here look at all those people and no FPS loss or lag...you got that many people in one place in the game now and it would be unplayable

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DV9TwsosyI

Your first video really isn't that impressive in terms of people around. I've seen more lately on Vivec NA/PC on a Monday morning. But more over, are you seeing something lacking? Oh...let's say the amount of particle effects from all the gear/skills/mounts on screen? It irks me to this day that people all think the lighting thing was actually a thing, and not the fact of how much more visual chaos is in the game now? I'm hopeful that the next patch will make things much better since they are working on removing much of the unwanted/needed effects.

General
In an effort to reduce the visual effect noise in group combat situations, we’ve hidden most visual effects from persistent damaging area of effect abilities cast by your allies. Area of effect abilities that have a synergy, healing, or defensive component that can benefit you will still be visible, and area of effect abilities cast by enemies will also still be visible.
Affected player abilities include the following:
Ash Cloud and its morphs
Path of Darkness and the Twisting Path morph
Volatile Familiar Special Ability
Hurricane
Rune Focus and its morphs
Impaling Shards and its morphs
Volley and its morphs
Wall of Elements and its morphs
Elemental Storm and its morphs
Caltrops and its morphs
Affected Item Set abilities include the following:
Bahraha’s Curse
Essence Thief
Grothdarr
Hand of Mephala
Ilambris
Infernal Guardian
Leeching Plate
Nerien’eth
Sellistrix
Sheer Venom
Storm Knight’s Plate
Thunderbug’s Carapace
Tremorscale
Velidreth
Winterborn

Ghost-Shot

Dreyloch wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

@RinaldoGandolphi I respect you a lot and I read your write up but, I humbly disagree. I think things like Emperor flipping and lack of community driven incentives for cyrodiil, a rework of the emperorship acquisition etc deserves a second look by ZOS.

lag is a problem but its one ZOS knows about and works on everyday (seriously) so its like, bottom of the totem pole on constructive ideas/concerns.

Thats OK, its fine to disagree.

The things you listed there are important, and maybe would deserve a second look, but only AFTER fixing the lag problems. It does no good to fix the other things if the core game doesn't function. We both know, fights at the last Emp keep pretty much makes the entire campaign unplayable until they dethrone. Thats simply not acceptable. This has been going on for far too long.

You do realize at launch the game allowed 1800 people per campaign? (that was the total pop limit for all 3 factions in Cyrodiil)

https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/6533

That number has been reduced numerous times since and i think were down to about 150-200 per alliance. Yet the game still lags. Cyrodiil is a ghost town compared to what it was in 2014 and early 2015

Yes, i'd like to see the things you mentioned revisted, but i'd have way more fun with the lag free game we had in 2014 pior to the Lighting Patch....anyone who was around and PVP in those times that is still left here knows how fun and lag free it was...combat actually worked.

Look at the video below. Look at how many people are fight there and not even a single hit to FPS or lag at all, NONE. the game used to work. You have that many players in one place now, and even with a overclocked 7700k and a GTX 1080 your gonna get huge FPS drops and server side lag....it used to work before. I don't think its unreasonable to ask for it to work again?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUzFW0Y11BM

Or go to the 3 minute mark here look at all those people and no FPS loss or lag...you got that many people in one place in the game now and it would be unplayable

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DV9TwsosyI

Your first video really isn't that impressive in terms of people around. I've seen more lately on Vivec NA/PC on a Monday morning. But more over, are you seeing something lacking? Oh...let's say the amount of particle effects from all the gear/skills/mounts on screen? It irks me to this day that people all think the lighting thing was actually a thing, and not the fact of how much more visual chaos is in the game now? I'm hopeful that the next patch will make things much better since they are working on removing much of the unwanted/needed effects.

General
In an effort to reduce the visual effect noise in group combat situations, we’ve hidden most visual effects from persistent damaging area of effect abilities cast by your allies. Area of effect abilities that have a synergy, healing, or defensive component that can benefit you will still be visible, and area of effect abilities cast by enemies will also still be visible.
Affected player abilities include the following:
Ash Cloud and its morphs
Path of Darkness and the Twisting Path morph
Volatile Familiar Special Ability
Hurricane
Rune Focus and its morphs
Impaling Shards and its morphs
Volley and its morphs
Wall of Elements and its morphs
Elemental Storm and its morphs
Caltrops and its morphs
Affected Item Set abilities include the following:
Bahraha’s Curse
Essence Thief
Grothdarr
Hand of Mephala
Ilambris
Infernal Guardian
Leeching Plate
Nerien’eth
Sellistrix
Sheer Venom
Storm Knight’s Plate
Thunderbug’s Carapace
Tremorscale
Velidreth
Winterborn

Because the lighting patch was an overnight change. IDK if you actually played then but the game literally fell apart overnight. I highly doubt the entire population unlocked whatever skills were an issue just before patch maintenance.

Rickter

but the stain glass windows are really really impressive. no troll. i agree the lighting patch made performance worse but i dont want to lose the lights either.

Minno

Rickter wrote: »

but the stain glass windows are really really impressive. no troll. i agree the lighting patch made performance worse but i dont want to lose the lights either.

As a lightning designer, I turn off most lighting effects in games. Most are used for theatrics/mood and are terrible examples of IES recommendations for illumination of spaces. Not to mention hurt my eyes.

I'd rather I can have fun playing the game than see pretty eye candy.

Claire

Vincelex wrote: »

Claire wrote: »

Lemme know if you ever need representation from a smaller guild/group @Vincelex.

@Claire Who do u represent if I may ask, and I welcome any and all guild/groups to participate if they want to, not really a quota or a limit on how many. More viewpoints the better

I'm not the GM, but I have led the PvP groups nightly for "Chaos Crew" (aka. The Clairebears). We were hit hard by the campaign changes to Morrowind. We suffered through the painful final days of Haderus, and unfortunately did not fully coalesce around a new home. Currently running a group of five nightly in Shor. Our five has a couple of new members, and we're starting to operate well together.

Lord_Hev

Lighting patch is only the face. It's not the pretty graphics that killed pvp, it was the anti-botting program that came with the lighting patch that didn't even stop botting. That is what killed the game's server.

Vincelex

Claire wrote: »

Vincelex wrote: »

Claire wrote: »

Lemme know if you ever need representation from a smaller guild/group @Vincelex.

@Claire Who do u represent if I may ask, and I welcome any and all guild/groups to participate if they want to, not really a quota or a limit on how many. More viewpoints the better

I'm not the GM, but I have led the PvP groups nightly for "Chaos Crew" (aka. The Clairebears). We were hit hard by the campaign changes to Morrowind. We suffered through the painful final days of Haderus, and unfortunately did not fully coalesce around a new home. Currently running a group of five nightly in Shor. Our five has a couple of new members, and we're starting to operate well together.

If you do want to come and represent your group or if your GM wants to, I would be happy to send out an invite to the discord channel.

Enodoc

This sounds like a nice idea. I imagine ZOS could be a bit sceptical about setting it up though, given the amount of non-constructive and vitriolic comments they've received in the past. If you guys want to make this work, you'll need to promote a constructive atmosphere that ZOS would want to be part of, and perhaps exclude those people who have inherently anti-ZOS comments. It's one thing to disagree with or dislike a change to the game, but quite another to start attacking the devs over it.

You have to believe that ZOS want what's best for their game, and you have to believe ZOS is telling the truth when they say things. If you don't trust ZOS' integrity, they won't trust yours either. So to get ZOS interested in this council, the council needs to show that they are willing to work with ZOS. And if this has been tried before, as AbraXuSeXile says, and was discarded by ZOS, we need to know why that was. What approach did they try? Who was involved? What do we need to do differently this time to get them interested?

Tenn60

House of hitman is in, think it's a good idea and will be glad to help where I can. We are on NA PS4

Tenn60

And just my opinion, ZOS will listen maybe not at first, but our guild has 326 members and I know probably many of the other gms run big or full guild. Including the other medium and small pvp guilds( not anything wrong with that before someone takes that an entirely different direction than my intent) they would be dumb not to listen to a group representing at least 1000-1500 players, many who probably at least spend money every once in a while for crowns, dlcs, etc.

Vincelex

With the double AP event and more people visiting this forum than usual, gonna bump this post.

Thelon

Enodoc wrote: »

If you guys want to make this work, you'll need to promote a constructive atmosphere that ZOS would want to be part of, and perhaps exclude those people who have inherently anti-ZOS comments.

Vincelex

Thelon wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

If you guys want to make this work, you'll need to promote a constructive atmosphere that ZOS would want to be part of, and perhaps exclude those people who have inherently anti-ZOS comments.

It would be an echo chamber if there were only like-minded people invited and talking, lucky for us we have a diverse group of guilds and individuals

imredneckson

Wouldn't mind joining in

BraidasNM

Nermy wrote: »

BraidasNM wrote: »

you know that zos has to want your feedback for this to have any purpose right

Have you read through the posts or just the first few?

how are any of the posts relevant to what i said

Nermy

BraidasNM wrote: »

Nermy wrote: »

BraidasNM wrote: »

you know that zos has to want your feedback for this to have any purpose right

Have you read through the posts or just the first few?

how are any of the posts relevant to what i said

Because there are quite a few posts saying exactly this and how the OP and the rest of us are very aware of it. I just wondered if you'd read them or not before saying the same thing but not offering anything constructive.