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CALLING ALL GUILD PVP GUILD LEADERS AND CONCERNED CITIZENS! Council is Set-up, gathering members!
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Vincelex✭✭✭I am sending out invites to all the players who expressed desire to join, I want to be somewhat organized before we try direct contact. I also believe that we will have to produce some kind of result before ZOS really takes a big interest in what we are trying to do. But I will be sending direct messages to them later.0 -
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✭✭✭✭IxSTALKERxI wrote: »Alacrity and a few other guilds used to have meetings in TS to provide feedback in the first year of the game. So did some prominent trade guilds.
It was always just done as another method of feedback though - they still gather feedback from forums, tickets, messages etc. Whilst the feedback they get has some influence on decision making, in the end zos will always take the game in the direction that they believe is best and what works for them.
@Rickter They value feedback from people like you just as much as streamers etc. You just need to talk to them in a professional manner and present ideas to them in a constructive and positive way.
For as long as I've played this game, it seems this is not the case. There have been hundreds of great ideas and feedback and while some were pretty outlandish, others were very well thought out and constructed to give the least amount of work (imo) for ZoS to implement or at least TRY. Most of it just never goes anywhere. It seems to me the loudest voices for nerfs are all that gets through to them. Along with the "occasional" QoL improvement such as the AP banking. (Albeit a GREAT one, props on that)
But otherwise, it's like playing pen and paper D&D and having a Dungeon master that isn't qualified to even be at the table.Making rash decisions and only lashing out like a confused child and nerfing us all just to make the complaints stop.
I mean seriously, how many PvP nerfs have there been for DK's alone? I have one of each kind and refuse to bother playing them now cause they have been nerfed into obscurity. Let alone the fact they have zero escapability like Sorcs or NB's do? How about nerfing the heck out of templars' healing? Where did this come from? My guild only lets a select few even bring a templar to raid at all these days.
For ZoS to think that doing either kind of playstyle should feel the same and have no changes to gear and skills and CP's is without a doubt the worst thing for this game. The best thing IMO would be to rework the PvP all the way around and make it into a seperate game at this point. Branch it off, do it right...and watch how many come to it. But there I go into another outlandish idea that will never come to pass /sigh
What streamers talked about nerfing DKs???Hoked_on_ponix wrote: »The council of PVPers already exists. It is Lord FENGRUSH.
ETA on next rant video? Gina was using the onion analogy again during one of the eso live streams this time talking about BG queues as apposed to Cyrodiil Lag, great launching off point for you. I'll send you a bottle of whiskey.
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Shaggygaming✭✭✭the problem is that they will only take the opinions of streamers and "youtube creators" more seriously than say, someone like myself.
They invited quite a bit of people to their baltimore headquarters earlier in the year and amoung them were the likes of Sypher, Fengrush, Speez etc. they even had Kodi on their eso live. Im sure Jules has their ear as well.
problem is most of these guys dont play ESO much anymore. they go through ups and downs to provide "variety" to their channel despite the fact that it was ESO roots that got them where they are.
the agenda driven pvp elite pushed for noCP pvp. how did that work out? hello Shor. .
No CP would have been fine and probably better than CP but they never balanced it. You can't push people towards no CP when they're still unbalanced proc sets and poisons. It never had a chance...2 -
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✭✭The Discord Channel is made, I have sent Direct Messages to the people who have stated interest or support in this idea. If there are any other guild/group leaders interested in joining this effort please message me, or if anyone knows any guild/group leaders that would want to join let them know, or let me know so I can contact them. Thanks everyone!
Rather than limit this to guild leaders, I'd suggest to simply invite anyone to participate who enjoys PVP and is concerned enough to provide feedback. Quite a lot of players who spend much of their time in PVP are not running in any kind of guild groups or don't even belong to any pvp guilds.
Is the goal of this Discord group to provide feedback specifically from those who run in the big guild groups or to provide feedback from the entire PVP community?2 -
Xexpo✭✭✭✭✭@ZOS_RichLambert said: back in march ... "Council of PVPers? I know there is a group that wants to start something like that, but it isn't a thing right now and they haven't met with anyone at ZOS to present any feedback."
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https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3886381/#Comment_3886381
so maybe it could be a "thing right now" , if you can get an organized group to present themselvesKiki Dickson ~~~ Dixmanian Devil ~~~ Cornelius Buckshank Jr.
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Vincelex✭✭✭@ZOS_RichLambert said: back in march ... "Council of PVPers? I know there is a group that wants to start something like that, but it isn't a thing right now and they haven't met with anyone at ZOS to present any feedback."
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https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3886381/#Comment_3886381
so maybe it could be a "thing right now" , if you can get an organized group to present themselves
Organization is underway, lots of moving pieces to track down, if you know any guild/group leaders feel free to link them this thread.1 -
Vincelex✭✭✭IcyDeadPeople wrote: »The Discord Channel is made, I have sent Direct Messages to the people who have stated interest or support in this idea. If there are any other guild/group leaders interested in joining this effort please message me, or if anyone knows any guild/group leaders that would want to join let them know, or let me know so I can contact them. Thanks everyone!
Rather than limit this to guild leaders, I'd suggest to simply invite anyone to participate who enjoys PVP and is concerned enough to provide feedback. Quite a lot of players who spend much of their time in PVP are not running in any kind of guild groups or don't even belong to any pvp guilds.
Is the goal of this Discord group to provide feedback specifically from those who run in the big guild groups or to provide feedback from the entire PVP community?
Not just big guild groups/guilds, but information dissemination and communication are much easier with established groups/guilds. I do not want to exclude players that don't call a guild home. That being said I do not want to have every single solo player in this discord. I would rather the solo players maybe congregate and have someone appointed to represent them? I know the above statements sound contradictory but if any solo player wants to join just have them message me stating their interest and I'd be happy to pass along the discord to them.0 -
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✭✭IcyDeadPeople wrote: »The Discord Channel is made, I have sent Direct Messages to the people who have stated interest or support in this idea. If there are any other guild/group leaders interested in joining this effort please message me, or if anyone knows any guild/group leaders that would want to join let them know, or let me know so I can contact them. Thanks everyone!
Rather than limit this to guild leaders, I'd suggest to simply invite anyone to participate who enjoys PVP and is concerned enough to provide feedback. Quite a lot of players who spend much of their time in PVP are not running in any kind of guild groups or don't even belong to any pvp guilds.
Is the goal of this Discord group to provide feedback specifically from those who run in the big guild groups or to provide feedback from the entire PVP community?
Not just big guild groups/guilds, but information dissemination and communication are much easier with established groups/guilds. I do not want to exclude players that don't call a guild home. That being said I do not want to have every single solo player in this discord. I would rather the solo players maybe congregate and have someone appointed to represent them? I know the above statements sound contradictory but if any solo player wants to join just have them message me stating their interest and I'd be happy to pass along the discord to them.
I'd suggest to invite everyone who has any interest in this to the Discord, make the link public, people can share their feedback there, then you can collect it all on google doc or something similar and present that document as your collective feedback.
I suspect your problem will be not enough people participating in this rather than too many. You don't need special representatives of solo players vs guild players, you just need to collect a lot of feedback from many different people together in one document and organize it in a way that is easy to read.
Edited by IcyDeadPeople on July 19, 2017 4:51PM4 -
Vincelex✭✭✭IcyDeadPeople wrote: »IcyDeadPeople wrote: »The Discord Channel is made, I have sent Direct Messages to the people who have stated interest or support in this idea. If there are any other guild/group leaders interested in joining this effort please message me, or if anyone knows any guild/group leaders that would want to join let them know, or let me know so I can contact them. Thanks everyone!
Rather than limit this to guild leaders, I'd suggest to simply invite anyone to participate who enjoys PVP and is concerned enough to provide feedback. Quite a lot of players who spend much of their time in PVP are not running in any kind of guild groups or don't even belong to any pvp guilds.
Is the goal of this Discord group to provide feedback specifically from those who run in the big guild groups or to provide feedback from the entire PVP community?
Not just big guild groups/guilds, but information dissemination and communication are much easier with established groups/guilds. I do not want to exclude players that don't call a guild home. That being said I do not want to have every single solo player in this discord. I would rather the solo players maybe congregate and have someone appointed to represent them? I know the above statements sound contradictory but if any solo player wants to join just have them message me stating their interest and I'd be happy to pass along the discord to them.
I'd suggest to invite everyone who has any interest in this to the Discord, make the link public, people can share their feedback there, then you can collect it all on google doc or something similar and present that document as your collective feedback. I suspect your problem will be not enough people participating in this rather than too many.
The process is more complicated than that. While in an ideal world it would work like that, but as we can see from the ESO forums when something is opened up to the public and people share their feedback in an environment too large it becomes much harder to regulate and it has a higher chance of being ignored because of the myriad of opinions and it can salty very fast. If someone is really interested and committed to providing feedback they can message me for an invite to this discord. Having representatives can cut through a lot of the noise and idle chatter. In this system it can be assumed that the representatives speak for whatever group they represent.
For example VE has from what I see around 40-50 members active who pvp regularly? (Feel free to correct this number) I can assume that whoever their representative is they are giving the viewpoint of these 50 people.
Another example: Pact Militia has around the same number of active members in PVP (again feel free to correct this number) that means whoever their representatives are also represent 50 people. So potentially 2 people represent 100. Not a small number in my opinion.
And again I hold my invitation open to anyone who wants to join, all it takes is a direct message to show interest.Edited by Vincelex on July 19, 2017 4:56PM0 -
Inig0✭✭✭✭Glad to see the OP pushing forward on this. I certainly wish it the best and would participate. Nihilos expressed interest in joining for mlp.
Also I would like to interject that the Council of the Raiders wasnt created with zos. It was just made and stuck around long enough for zos to take interest into it and then Finn joined.
So the first step is to get the group together then if its serious enough zos will eventually participate. Like a lot of other people have said it would need to extremely constructive. The moment someone says anything about the devs being *** or wrong or whatever they will dip out; for a good reason too.
I would also say that this group shouldnt be created with the intent of making change to the game but instead with the intent of gathering the general consensus of the community the making a post on the forums or emailing it to gina. Any expectation of ZOS being involved would be detrimental to the beginning of this group.
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Vincelex✭✭✭Glad to see the OP pushing forward on this. I certainly wish it the best and would participate. Nihilos expressed interest in joining for mlp.
Also I would like to interject that the Council of the Raiders wasnt created with zos. It was just made and stuck around long enough for zos to take interest into it and then Finn joined.
So the first step is to get the group together then if its serious enough zos will eventually participate. Like a lot of other people have said it would need to extremely constructive. The moment someone says anything about the devs being *** or wrong or whatever they will dip out; for a good reason too.
I would also say that this group shouldnt be created with the intent of making change to the game but instead with the intent of gathering the general consensus of the community the making a post on the forums or emailing it to gina. Any expectation of ZOS being involved would be detrimental to the beginning of this group.
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✭✭✭✭✭Hoked_on_ponix wrote: »The council of PVPers already exists. It is Lord FENGRUSH.
ETA on next rant video? Gina was using the onion analogy again during one of the eso live streams this time talking about BG queues as apposed to Cyrodiil Lag, great launching off point for you. I'll send you a bottle of whiskey.
I'll send a bottle of Green Spot too if it means more Lord F rant videos.
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Dreyloch✭✭✭✭✭IxSTALKERxI wrote: »Alacrity and a few other guilds used to have meetings in TS to provide feedback in the first year of the game. So did some prominent trade guilds.
It was always just done as another method of feedback though - they still gather feedback from forums, tickets, messages etc. Whilst the feedback they get has some influence on decision making, in the end zos will always take the game in the direction that they believe is best and what works for them.
@Rickter They value feedback from people like you just as much as streamers etc. You just need to talk to them in a professional manner and present ideas to them in a constructive and positive way.
For as long as I've played this game, it seems this is not the case. There have been hundreds of great ideas and feedback and while some were pretty outlandish, others were very well thought out and constructed to give the least amount of work (imo) for ZoS to implement or at least TRY. Most of it just never goes anywhere. It seems to me the loudest voices for nerfs are all that gets through to them. Along with the "occasional" QoL improvement such as the AP banking. (Albeit a GREAT one, props on that)
But otherwise, it's like playing pen and paper D&D and having a Dungeon master that isn't qualified to even be at the table.Making rash decisions and only lashing out like a confused child and nerfing us all just to make the complaints stop.
I mean seriously, how many PvP nerfs have there been for DK's alone? I have one of each kind and refuse to bother playing them now cause they have been nerfed into obscurity. Let alone the fact they have zero escapability like Sorcs or NB's do? How about nerfing the heck out of templars' healing? Where did this come from? My guild only lets a select few even bring a templar to raid at all these days.
For ZoS to think that doing either kind of playstyle should feel the same and have no changes to gear and skills and CP's is without a doubt the worst thing for this game. The best thing IMO would be to rework the PvP all the way around and make it into a seperate game at this point. Branch it off, do it right...and watch how many come to it. But there I go into another outlandish idea that will never come to pass /sigh
What streamers talked about nerfing DKs???Hoked_on_ponix wrote: »The council of PVPers already exists. It is Lord FENGRUSH.
ETA on next rant video? Gina was using the onion analogy again during one of the eso live streams this time talking about BG queues as apposed to Cyrodiil Lag, great launching off point for you. I'll send you a bottle of whiskey.
lol no ETA
What I meant was ZoS in general has quite a bit. Even if no one was really asking for it. Not sure where you got streamers asked for it Mi Lord.IxSTALKERxI wrote: »Alacrity and a few other guilds used to have meetings in TS to provide feedback in the first year of the game. So did some prominent trade guilds.Edited by Dreyloch on July 19, 2017 6:19PM"The fear of Death, is often worse than death itself"0 -
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I'll send a bottle of Green Spot too if it means more Lord F rant videos.
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✭✭✭Sounds like an echo chamber of zerglings. Id rather such a congregation have 0 input or influence on ZOS. They sway too much in the direction of zerging as it is.7 -
Vincelex✭✭✭Sounds like an echo chamber of zerglings. Id rather such a congregation have 0 input or influence on ZOS. They sway too much in the direction of zerging as it is.
I'm sorry you feel this way but like I said any and all playstyles are welcome to join, not just us zerglings
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✭✭✭✭✭@CyrusArya i think you should consider joining or having a representative join and provide feedback from the small scale perspective. Small scalers need a voice too. Zos could eventually implement something to encourage that play style.RickterESO
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✭✭✭✭✭@CyrusArya i think you should consider joining or having a representative join and provide feedback from the small scale perspective. Small scalers need a voice too. Zos could eventually implement something to encourage that play style.
I joined the server. My guild is technically myself, Rinaldo and our buddy Bones. Sometimes we help the Zerg sometimes we run off to help defend objectives or flag resources at score eval. If you want @CyrusArya , filter your concerns with me and I'll voice them as much as I can.
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CyrusArya✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Ghost-Shot wrote: »
It's almost like Cyrodiil is designed for large group play...
Cyrodiil is a sandbox designed for open world PvP. Small group and solo pvp are just as valid play styles as large group pvp. Neither party should be dealt any favors, nor should the cyrodiil be exclusively designed around any particular style.I'm sorry you feel this way but like I said any and all playstyles are welcome to join, not just us zerglings
Sorry for coming off as so hostile to the idea, as the intentions do seem positive and constructive. I just didn't like the idea of closed door meetings between guild pvpers who have an obvious bias, as your thread's title implies. But thanks for clarifying that it's open to all...in such a case sure Id be down to join and participate.
I have my doubts as to how effective it will be or how willing ZO$ will be to engage it. But if nothing, such an endeavor can foster better communications and understanding between the various parties and play styles that share the arena.Edited by CyrusArya on July 19, 2017 7:35PM4 -
Emasculate✭✭✭I am the Guild Leader of House of Shadows, I would love to participate in a meeting to discuss a variety of functions, mechanics, and details of Elder Scrolls Online. Please send me a invitation to this meeting of fine established houses. Until next time.1
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Vincelex✭✭✭Ghost-Shot wrote: »
It's almost like Cyrodiil is designed for large group play...
Cyrodiil is a sandbox designed for open world PvP. Small group and solo pvp are just as valid play styles as large group pvp. Neither party should be dealt any favors, nor should the cyrodiil be exclusively designed around any particular style.I'm sorry you feel this way but like I said any and all playstyles are welcome to join, not just us zerglings
Sorry for coming off as so hostile to the idea, as the intentions do seem positive and constructive. I just didn't like the idea of closed door meetings between guild pvpers who have an obvious bias, as your thread's title implies. But thanks for clarifying that it's open to all...in such a case sure Id be down to join and participate.
I have my doubts as to how effective it will be or how willing ZO$ will be to engage it. But if nothing, such an endeavor can foster better communications and understanding between the various parties and play styles that share the arena.
I would amend the title but ZOS only allows so many words to be put there
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Nivellan✭✭✭Sounds like an echo chamber of zerglings. Id rather such a congregation have 0 input or influence on ZOS. They sway too much in the direction of zerging as it is.
How many people have you run down with the faction right there with you?
Playstyle is irrelevant when you're with your faction anyway. You're just an ignorant little *** really. PC NA
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Vincelex✭✭✭Emasculate wrote: »I am the Guild Leader of House of Shadows, I would love to participate in a meeting to discuss a variety of functions, mechanics, and details of Elder Scrolls Online. Please send me a invitation to this meeting of fine established houses. Until next time.
Can't tell if troll or not...
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✭I don't quite understand what's the point of this. If you or anyone have feedbakc or concerns why can't you just post them on the forums so we can all discuss them like everyone else.
Or is direct attention from Zos what you are seeking for. I don't get it.When the snows fall and the white winds blow,
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Vincelex✭✭✭IxSTALKERxI wrote: »The good thing about having a 'council of pvpers' is the feedback will be more consolidated and less biased so long as a large variety of players with conflicting interests and opinions are represented. PvPer's of all backgrounds can have debates with each other about x,y,z prior to the meeting and then the feedback provided with zos will be more consistent with everyone on the same page and mindful of each others opinions & playstyles.
Essentially this!
Gonna quote stalker again cause he said it best. Its about having a consistent, unified message from a collective of PvPers from all areas. You can post things on the forums but topics get side-tracked, ignored, lost in time. People arguing so much that they forget what they're arguing about. There are also the many threads that just seem to incite rage, backlash and in the end most forum threads end up with no one being convinced of anything other than what they already believe in.0 -
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✭✭✭How many people have you run down with the faction right there with you? Playstyle is irrelevant when you're with your faction anyway. You're just an ignorant little *** really.
Wont deny that I have zerg surfed at times, like anyone who has ever played this game. This mostly only happens when I must pass thru the zerg lanes to get to greener pastures. 90% of my time in cyrodiil is solo or with a small group, far far away from DC. The other 10% im running with my guild cus I enjoy their company.
You're just someone who is getting too emboldened by their perceived anonymity. Careful before you get banned from the forums again.3 -
Grampa_Smurf✭✭✭Guys don't dismiss this idea without giving it a go, The concept is a great idea.
Even if Zos isn't directly involved atm I am sure after it has shown itself to be constructive and willing to get the PvP community as a whole involved they will.
I will also add if you players that prefer solo - small play and feel you may be left out friend the op and send your opinion by mail - join one of the larger guilds and do the same to leaders. I'm sure there are a lot of other ways to get your ideas across, all I'm saying is give it a go before shooting it down.
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