HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey guys, just to give you an update, we are testing several fixes relating to the Grouping Tool that should help with the remaining queuing issues. Our plan is to include these in Monday's incremental patch, assuming they pass QA.

@ZOS_GinaBruno Will console get this patch?

That's the plan, yep. It'll be in the next console incremental, currently looking at mid-July.

SwaminoNowlino wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey guys, just to give you an update, we are testing several fixes relating to the Grouping Tool that should help with the remaining queuing issues. Our plan is to include these in Monday's incremental patch, assuming they pass QA.

Can we get some insight into what is broken and what is being done to fix it?

I can't explain how the issues are being fixed (I'm not a programmer), but can list some of the issues we're currently working on that affect the Grouping Tool and queuing:

• You can currently join a Battleground with less than two minutes remaining, which along with being less than ideal, also can cause you to get hit with an error message and get kicked back to another queue.
• You will sometimes never get a Ready Check and will be kicked out of the queue after a full group has come together.
• After joining a queue, you'll receive an error message that someone has declined the invite, and will get removed from the queue. We're working on not only fixing this issue, but also clarifying the error message so it's clearer what this means and what's happening.
• You will sometimes encounter a long loading screen when zoning after accepting a Ready Check.
• There are also a handful of backend issues that are resulting in groups failing to form.

I appreciate the communication but this is absolutely not acceptable. I don't care who's doing the programming, you don't pay someone for a job and release an unfinished product. What is the point of the PTS, exactly? Why do you not iron out your product before release?

This is actually embarrassing and I feel sorry that I've put even the slightest bit of faith in to such a failing company. Absolutely *** poor product and I can't wait to get home from work (where my performance is reviewed quarterly, maybe you should look in to this) and cancel my subscription to this game. Time to spend my money on developers who care.

P.S. No, you can't have my stuff.

sooo can I have your stuff?

CarbonX wrote: »

Sophieous wrote: »

I'll give props to @ZOS_GinaBruno for communicating this time with the playerbase and not keeping us in the dark, while getting all the sh*t for other peoples f*ck ups.

Let's wait for Monday then.

You give props to a Community Manager for communicating with the community? Interesting...
 

Erm yep, considering past experiences, this time, it's way better.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

To be fair, you will receive the message that someone declined the invitation if someone does legitimately decline the Ready Check.

The lfg tool has been broken on and off since launch regardless before morrowind came out.

Are you kidding me mid july to have an operating BG queue system for arguably the

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

KingJ wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey guys, just to give you an update, we are testing several fixes relating to the Grouping Tool that should help with the remaining queuing issues. Our plan is to include these in Monday's incremental patch, assuming they pass QA.

@ZOS_GinaBruno Will console get this patch?

That's the plan, yep. It'll be in the next console incremental, currently looking at mid-July.

Are you kidding me, mid July to have an operating BG queue system for the platform with arguably the biggest PVP population base?? One of the biggest selling points of your 40 dollar expansion is not going to be operational for a month and a half after release. BGs were advertised as, "quick get in and get out games". As of now queuing with a group is impossible and queueing solo can still take 20 plus minutes. How is this acceptable to you as as a business?

I can't believe how much money was poured into hyping your DLC including advertisement/paying streamers ect... Then for it to not even work. You can't even push a fix out for over a month and a half... what a joke. You will loose a majority of the pvp player base on console to this, myself included. A lot of us have continued playing hoping BGs were the answer to the monotony of Cyrodiil, and this is just a slap in the face. I have zero faith your "fix" will actually improve anything either.

-Rant over

Yshaar wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

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[*] There are also a handful of backend issues that are resulting in groups failing to form.
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You miss one central piece: Brackets? 1-50 BGs. Where are they?

This is at least as important as the LFG tool bugs.

Skoomah wrote: »

The games my group are able to get into are garbage. High level CP players grouped up with random level 10 and 20, and the opposing teams are premade generals and former emps. My guild has given up on queueing for BGs.

What a squandered opportunity to grow the player base. This kind of bad press nearly sank the game at launch and it took ESO three long years to recover... and why was the key issue? KNOWINGLY RELEASING BROKEN CONTENT.

This is the heart of the issue. I am so angry about it because I want the game to be successfull and become more and more popular on twitch and in mmo circles. That's sadly not the way to go. Yay morrowind...ah yeah we have some pvp issues there, they will be ironed out...probably in july. whatever.

I got my money back. That is ridiculous

Wonder if the an issue with the grouping tool was that it was only looking at the party leader when forming groups and checking for roles.

Meaning that groups would more than likely fail to form once all the party members actually get merged and conflicting roles/too many players pop up.

While solo grouping players would never really experience any hiccup at all.

@Gravord

Were you running into any issues while queuing as a 4 man team? Could you test as a 3 man? Can you test the 3 man dungeon finder while cycling the role of the party lead each test? (change party lead to healer while all group members are all three, then change party lead to tank while all other group members are all three, then change party lead to dps while all other group members are all three) and see if random dungeon queue times are reduced based solely on what the group leader role is.

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

@Gravord

Were you running into any issues while queuing as a 4 man team? Could you test as a 3 man? Can you test the 3 man dungeon finder while cycling the role of the party lead each test? (change party lead to healer while all group members are all three, then change party lead to tank while all other group members are all three, then change party lead to dps while all other group members are all three) and see if random dungeon queue times are reduced based solely on what the group leader role is.

We tested all the possible *** & combos. Broken broken broken! On top of that, as far as I know, no one has ever confirmed to have successfully entered battlegrounds with a four man group.

Get your refunds while you can!

Mid July, mid JULY!!!!

I'm just, like, how can you be so complacent with this? How can you squander the quality of what could be one of the biggest games of a generation?

Let me explain this from my perspective, from the time I had created my second toon, a few weeks after console release, I have payed a premium monthly payment. Not for a tame xp bonus. But I solely wanted to support this title into the future. That was my choice. You could say I and many helped pave the way for the possibility of these chapters. For you and for the players. You then decide to sell this newly named content at another premium price. I payed up, because I love this game and I love to PvP therein.

This isn't just about the BG's Queue problem, which is just an extension of the group finder problem from about 6 months to a full year ago. But the also the lack of quality in many parts of the game on console. No search function at traders. No means of sorting inventory across characters. The way voice chat keeps sending players from our guild from guild chat into group chat, when you get a BG game it does this TWICE, on the way in and on the way out again, it would give you a headache. I could go on a massive rant about these alone but what is the point? There is ZERO quality control or even meaningful support for us console plebs.

And you know what is even funnier about the proposed fixes with these queuing issues? You still haven't acknowledged the imbalanced teams, the low levels being matched with maxed players. So maybe that will be addressed by Christmas!!? Alas, I could bet my bottom dollar it won't, it can't. Because your company is to busy using my monthly premium to churn out content that you will also sell to us that may or may not even function. This realization is painful for me to admit. I am a sucker for supporting you the way I did. That's how it was sold to me, not with a crafting bag or xp bonus, but simply because you said I could "help support the development of this game".

I guess I should thank you for creating this issue, but mostly for how you handled it, for helping me come to this realization that I am being played, while the content I've payed large sums to help create and consume, can't be!!

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

@SwaminoNowlino

Hmmm. Well, seeing as you're Xbox I can't say for certain if any of the BG issues on your end have been addressed yet. But yesterday (on PC, NA) I played about 5 BG matches solo and nearly all of them went through on the first time and for all of them less than a minute of queue time , there were a few issues with actually getting to the loading screen (I.E. once the group has formed it'd take a little while for it actually to put me into the loadscreen for the map) and it seemed there was a brief FPS drop any time the queue appeared to ping the server. So from my experience I can't really add anything of substance. Which is why I'm asking, not because I don't believe you, but since I don't have the resources to currently go balls out and test everything.

Edit: and when I was asking gravord about the 3 man that's more for the group finder (for dungeons)

I get that, but I watch streams just about every night as I myself play. Tune in and watch @FENGRUSH stream Battlegrounds during primetime. 20-25 minutes repeatedly hitting ready check. King Richard and Sypher both came back as soon as Morrowind launched because they were excited for BG's, and both of them got so sick of the queuing issues they haven't been back on since. So limited sample I guess since my PC experience is limited to watching others, but plenty of the folks here are on PC and reporting the same issues. And if you manage to get in solo then great, but that doesn't mean everyone else can. And BGs weren't designed around solo play anyways, you and you're team were supposed to be able to get in and out in 5 minutes or so, that's the whole design. And its busted.

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

@SwaminoNowlino

Hmmm. Well, seeing as you're Xbox I can't say for certain if any of the BG issues on your end have been addressed yet. But yesterday (on PC, NA) I played about 5 BG matches solo and nearly all of them went through on the first time and for all of them less than a minute of queue time , there were a few issues with actually getting to the loading screen (I.E. once the group has formed it'd take a little while for it actually to put me into the loadscreen for the map) and it seemed there was a brief FPS drop any time the queue appeared to ping the server. So from my experience I can't really add anything of substance. Which is why I'm asking, not because I don't believe you, but since I don't have the resources to currently go balls out and test everything.

Edit: and when I was asking gravord about the 3 man that's more for the group finder (for dungeons)

Dungeons im trying do only with premade 4 man. And even on that setup im getting 4-7 load screens to dungeon and usually just being kicked out again and have to port manually.