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✭✭✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »Sorcs are dominant at range, but there's several classes I'd take over it in close quarters.
Agree 100%.
I'm going to work on my NonCP Sorc this weekend as I feel I'm only useful with a coordinated team. Frogrim_tactics wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »Sorcs are not OP in BGs - that's hilarious. MagSorcs are the easiest ones to kill in BGs.
NBs rule the realm of BGs from a pure damage stand point.
As far as kills - MagSorcs are stealing those all day but they melt super easy. They just hang out in the back. Run over there and smack em - super easy.No reason to go with anything else than sorc in BG.
The gap with other classes is abyssal.
Me uterly sucking at sorc do way better than with my DK that I consider playing not too badly.
And yes the problem is endless fury ... The other advantages sorcs have are acceptable but endless fury in BG environment is game breaking.
I'd take a MagDK and NB over Sorc in BGs any day. The bursts from NBs is way too OP in NonCP and MagDK can do good damage and survivability is better in BGs than MagSorc.
Dude... You don't have to defend your OP class on the forums, sorcs never get nerfs, you have nothing to worry about. OP4Life
You obviously don't play a MagSorc in BGs do you?
I've played StamBlade, MagDK, StamDK, and MagSorc. MagSorc is my main in most PvP.
In BGs - MagSorc survivability is garbage. In CP campaigns - yes they're OP as hell - but this is about BGs riiiiiiiight?
So yes - NBs and MagDK are awesome in BGs. Great versatility.
Want to steal everyone's kills and melt to most everything because shields are crap in NonCP - then by all means run a MagSorc, but since you don't - then you don't know what you are talking about.
Your burst combo is better than NBs, and it's ranged... You have shields for survivability as well as streak... NBs have a broken (still) cloak that can't be used as a reliable escape. Full medium is squishy AF, just like light and we have to be in melee range while sorcs are miles away.
With 1 shield I get, what, 7k in NonCP- and with two stacked it's a total of maybe 11k. So I get (for 5 seconds max) the same health as a DK. That's it. NB burst is much higher because the passives the burst has as far as debuffing you in the process to follow up attacks which hit harder. My MagSorc does not do 18k in 1 second - I would love to know how your MagSorc can do 18k in 1 second.
With my NB - I can kill someone in BGs before the animation of them being stunned even finishes.
1v1... No you can't, unless they have like 16k health. Everyone is running 21k +...
Yes I can and it's insane with all the procs hitting insanely hard. StamBlade in BGs melts.Emmagoldman wrote: »It's funny, I've been playing bg and I've seen maybe 4 mag sorcs. It's hands down a stam proc meta for bg.
MagSorcs aren't dominating anything in BGs but stealing kills.
Anyone who thinks MagSorc is OP in BGs is insane. Stam > Magic for NonCP.
Delusional much? Yeah the execute isn't the only reason why they're dominating. It's mainly because they can spam hardened ward indefinitely since it once consumes 2k out of their 50k magicka pool.
Once again sorcs are dominating not just BGs, but also PvP.
You're not getting 50K in no-CP...
Necro, destruction mastery, master weapons. Bound aegis, pet up, and inner light front bar.
Wow you created a setup with no regeneration at all aswell as 3 toggles on frontbar two on backbar.
Along with that hardened ward costs about 60% more than what you claim it would.
It costs 2k and change. I would tell you the exact value, but I'm not online. It should cost as much as harness magicka in order for it to be balanced. But instead it is much cheaper.1 -
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✭✭✭✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »Sorcs are dominant at range, but there's several classes I'd take over it in close quarters.
Agree 100%.
I'm going to work on my NonCP Sorc this weekend as I feel I'm only useful with a coordinated team. Frogrim_tactics wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »Sorcs are not OP in BGs - that's hilarious. MagSorcs are the easiest ones to kill in BGs.
NBs rule the realm of BGs from a pure damage stand point.
As far as kills - MagSorcs are stealing those all day but they melt super easy. They just hang out in the back. Run over there and smack em - super easy.No reason to go with anything else than sorc in BG.
The gap with other classes is abyssal.
Me uterly sucking at sorc do way better than with my DK that I consider playing not too badly.
And yes the problem is endless fury ... The other advantages sorcs have are acceptable but endless fury in BG environment is game breaking.
I'd take a MagDK and NB over Sorc in BGs any day. The bursts from NBs is way too OP in NonCP and MagDK can do good damage and survivability is better in BGs than MagSorc.
Dude... You don't have to defend your OP class on the forums, sorcs never get nerfs, you have nothing to worry about. OP4Life
You obviously don't play a MagSorc in BGs do you?
I've played StamBlade, MagDK, StamDK, and MagSorc. MagSorc is my main in most PvP.
In BGs - MagSorc survivability is garbage. In CP campaigns - yes they're OP as hell - but this is about BGs riiiiiiiight?
So yes - NBs and MagDK are awesome in BGs. Great versatility.
Want to steal everyone's kills and melt to most everything because shields are crap in NonCP - then by all means run a MagSorc, but since you don't - then you don't know what you are talking about.
Your burst combo is better than NBs, and it's ranged... You have shields for survivability as well as streak... NBs have a broken (still) cloak that can't be used as a reliable escape. Full medium is squishy AF, just like light and we have to be in melee range while sorcs are miles away.
With 1 shield I get, what, 7k in NonCP- and with two stacked it's a total of maybe 11k. So I get (for 5 seconds max) the same health as a DK. That's it. NB burst is much higher because the passives the burst has as far as debuffing you in the process to follow up attacks which hit harder. My MagSorc does not do 18k in 1 second - I would love to know how your MagSorc can do 18k in 1 second.
With my NB - I can kill someone in BGs before the animation of them being stunned even finishes.
1v1... No you can't, unless they have like 16k health. Everyone is running 21k +...
Yes I can and it's insane with all the procs hitting insanely hard. StamBlade in BGs melts.Emmagoldman wrote: »It's funny, I've been playing bg and I've seen maybe 4 mag sorcs. It's hands down a stam proc meta for bg.
MagSorcs aren't dominating anything in BGs but stealing kills.
Anyone who thinks MagSorc is OP in BGs is insane. Stam > Magic for NonCP.
Delusional much? Yeah the execute isn't the only reason why they're dominating. It's mainly because they can spam hardened ward indefinitely since it once consumes 2k out of their 50k magicka pool.
Once again sorcs are dominating not just BGs, but also PvP.
You're not getting 50K in no-CP...
Necro, destruction mastery, master weapons. Bound aegis, pet up, and inner light front bar.
First off, that build is garbage. No regen, no spell damage, no crit, no bar space. Nothing. But even then you won't hit 50K.
Plus the ward costs far more than 2k.Edited by Chilly-McFreeze on June 13, 2017 11:41AM2 -
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✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »Sorcs are dominant at range, but there's several classes I'd take over it in close quarters.
Agree 100%.
I'm going to work on my NonCP Sorc this weekend as I feel I'm only useful with a coordinated team. Frogrim_tactics wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »Sorcs are not OP in BGs - that's hilarious. MagSorcs are the easiest ones to kill in BGs.
NBs rule the realm of BGs from a pure damage stand point.
As far as kills - MagSorcs are stealing those all day but they melt super easy. They just hang out in the back. Run over there and smack em - super easy.No reason to go with anything else than sorc in BG.
The gap with other classes is abyssal.
Me uterly sucking at sorc do way better than with my DK that I consider playing not too badly.
And yes the problem is endless fury ... The other advantages sorcs have are acceptable but endless fury in BG environment is game breaking.
I'd take a MagDK and NB over Sorc in BGs any day. The bursts from NBs is way too OP in NonCP and MagDK can do good damage and survivability is better in BGs than MagSorc.
Dude... You don't have to defend your OP class on the forums, sorcs never get nerfs, you have nothing to worry about. OP4Life
You obviously don't play a MagSorc in BGs do you?
I've played StamBlade, MagDK, StamDK, and MagSorc. MagSorc is my main in most PvP.
In BGs - MagSorc survivability is garbage. In CP campaigns - yes they're OP as hell - but this is about BGs riiiiiiiight?
So yes - NBs and MagDK are awesome in BGs. Great versatility.
Want to steal everyone's kills and melt to most everything because shields are crap in NonCP - then by all means run a MagSorc, but since you don't - then you don't know what you are talking about.
Your burst combo is better than NBs, and it's ranged... You have shields for survivability as well as streak... NBs have a broken (still) cloak that can't be used as a reliable escape. Full medium is squishy AF, just like light and we have to be in melee range while sorcs are miles away.
With 1 shield I get, what, 7k in NonCP- and with two stacked it's a total of maybe 11k. So I get (for 5 seconds max) the same health as a DK. That's it. NB burst is much higher because the passives the burst has as far as debuffing you in the process to follow up attacks which hit harder. My MagSorc does not do 18k in 1 second - I would love to know how your MagSorc can do 18k in 1 second.
With my NB - I can kill someone in BGs before the animation of them being stunned even finishes.
1v1... No you can't, unless they have like 16k health. Everyone is running 21k +...
Yes I can and it's insane with all the procs hitting insanely hard. StamBlade in BGs melts.Emmagoldman wrote: »It's funny, I've been playing bg and I've seen maybe 4 mag sorcs. It's hands down a stam proc meta for bg.
MagSorcs aren't dominating anything in BGs but stealing kills.
Anyone who thinks MagSorc is OP in BGs is insane. Stam > Magic for NonCP.
Delusional much? Yeah the execute isn't the only reason why they're dominating. It's mainly because they can spam hardened ward indefinitely since it once consumes 2k out of their 50k magicka pool.
Once again sorcs are dominating not just BGs, but also PvP.
You're not getting 50K in no-CP...
Necro, destruction mastery, master weapons. Bound aegis, pet up, and inner light front bar.
Wow you created a setup with no regeneration at all aswell as 3 toggles on frontbar two on backbar.
Along with that hardened ward costs about 60% more than what you claim it would.
It costs 2k and change. I would tell you the exact value, but I'm not online. It should cost as much as harness magicka in order for it to be balanced. But instead it is much cheaper.
Base cost of Hardened Ward is 3510. Base cost for Harness is 4590.PC - EU
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✭✭✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »Sorcs are dominant at range, but there's several classes I'd take over it in close quarters.
Agree 100%.
I'm going to work on my NonCP Sorc this weekend as I feel I'm only useful with a coordinated team. Frogrim_tactics wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »Sorcs are not OP in BGs - that's hilarious. MagSorcs are the easiest ones to kill in BGs.
NBs rule the realm of BGs from a pure damage stand point.
As far as kills - MagSorcs are stealing those all day but they melt super easy. They just hang out in the back. Run over there and smack em - super easy.No reason to go with anything else than sorc in BG.
The gap with other classes is abyssal.
Me uterly sucking at sorc do way better than with my DK that I consider playing not too badly.
And yes the problem is endless fury ... The other advantages sorcs have are acceptable but endless fury in BG environment is game breaking.
I'd take a MagDK and NB over Sorc in BGs any day. The bursts from NBs is way too OP in NonCP and MagDK can do good damage and survivability is better in BGs than MagSorc.
Dude... You don't have to defend your OP class on the forums, sorcs never get nerfs, you have nothing to worry about. OP4Life
You obviously don't play a MagSorc in BGs do you?
I've played StamBlade, MagDK, StamDK, and MagSorc. MagSorc is my main in most PvP.
In BGs - MagSorc survivability is garbage. In CP campaigns - yes they're OP as hell - but this is about BGs riiiiiiiight?
So yes - NBs and MagDK are awesome in BGs. Great versatility.
Want to steal everyone's kills and melt to most everything because shields are crap in NonCP - then by all means run a MagSorc, but since you don't - then you don't know what you are talking about.
Your burst combo is better than NBs, and it's ranged... You have shields for survivability as well as streak... NBs have a broken (still) cloak that can't be used as a reliable escape. Full medium is squishy AF, just like light and we have to be in melee range while sorcs are miles away.
With 1 shield I get, what, 7k in NonCP- and with two stacked it's a total of maybe 11k. So I get (for 5 seconds max) the same health as a DK. That's it. NB burst is much higher because the passives the burst has as far as debuffing you in the process to follow up attacks which hit harder. My MagSorc does not do 18k in 1 second - I would love to know how your MagSorc can do 18k in 1 second.
With my NB - I can kill someone in BGs before the animation of them being stunned even finishes.
1v1... No you can't, unless they have like 16k health. Everyone is running 21k +...
Yes I can and it's insane with all the procs hitting insanely hard. StamBlade in BGs melts.Emmagoldman wrote: »It's funny, I've been playing bg and I've seen maybe 4 mag sorcs. It's hands down a stam proc meta for bg.
MagSorcs aren't dominating anything in BGs but stealing kills.
Anyone who thinks MagSorc is OP in BGs is insane. Stam > Magic for NonCP.
Delusional much? Yeah the execute isn't the only reason why they're dominating. It's mainly because they can spam hardened ward indefinitely since it once consumes 2k out of their 50k magicka pool.
Once again sorcs are dominating not just BGs, but also PvP.
You're not getting 50K in no-CP...
Necro, destruction mastery, master weapons. Bound aegis, pet up, and inner light front bar.
Wow you created a setup with no regeneration at all aswell as 3 toggles on frontbar two on backbar.
Along with that hardened ward costs about 60% more than what you claim it would.
It costs 2k and change. I would tell you the exact value, but I'm not online. It should cost as much as harness magicka in order for it to be balanced. But instead it is much cheaper.
Base cost of Hardened Ward is 3510. Base cost for Harness is 4590.
Lol yes that's what it'll cost if you were a stamina user casting it without a single piece of light armor equipped. But if you wear light armor it's much cheaper. Those numbers will only deceive readers that don't have a magsorc, but for those that do have one know both of those shields are much cheaper.
The cost for Harness is perfectly fine, but Hardened is not only cheaper, but stronger as well. This is not balanced.Edited by Strider_Roshin on June 13, 2017 12:15PM4 -
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✭✭✭✭Hardened gives the bigger shield, Harness returns magicka. What's the problem with that?0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »Sorcs are dominant at range, but there's several classes I'd take over it in close quarters.
Agree 100%.
I'm going to work on my NonCP Sorc this weekend as I feel I'm only useful with a coordinated team. Frogrim_tactics wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »Sorcs are not OP in BGs - that's hilarious. MagSorcs are the easiest ones to kill in BGs.
NBs rule the realm of BGs from a pure damage stand point.
As far as kills - MagSorcs are stealing those all day but they melt super easy. They just hang out in the back. Run over there and smack em - super easy.No reason to go with anything else than sorc in BG.
The gap with other classes is abyssal.
Me uterly sucking at sorc do way better than with my DK that I consider playing not too badly.
And yes the problem is endless fury ... The other advantages sorcs have are acceptable but endless fury in BG environment is game breaking.
I'd take a MagDK and NB over Sorc in BGs any day. The bursts from NBs is way too OP in NonCP and MagDK can do good damage and survivability is better in BGs than MagSorc.
Dude... You don't have to defend your OP class on the forums, sorcs never get nerfs, you have nothing to worry about. OP4Life
You obviously don't play a MagSorc in BGs do you?
I've played StamBlade, MagDK, StamDK, and MagSorc. MagSorc is my main in most PvP.
In BGs - MagSorc survivability is garbage. In CP campaigns - yes they're OP as hell - but this is about BGs riiiiiiiight?
So yes - NBs and MagDK are awesome in BGs. Great versatility.
Want to steal everyone's kills and melt to most everything because shields are crap in NonCP - then by all means run a MagSorc, but since you don't - then you don't know what you are talking about.
Your burst combo is better than NBs, and it's ranged... You have shields for survivability as well as streak... NBs have a broken (still) cloak that can't be used as a reliable escape. Full medium is squishy AF, just like light and we have to be in melee range while sorcs are miles away.
With 1 shield I get, what, 7k in NonCP- and with two stacked it's a total of maybe 11k. So I get (for 5 seconds max) the same health as a DK. That's it. NB burst is much higher because the passives the burst has as far as debuffing you in the process to follow up attacks which hit harder. My MagSorc does not do 18k in 1 second - I would love to know how your MagSorc can do 18k in 1 second.
With my NB - I can kill someone in BGs before the animation of them being stunned even finishes.
1v1... No you can't, unless they have like 16k health. Everyone is running 21k +...
Yes I can and it's insane with all the procs hitting insanely hard. StamBlade in BGs melts.Emmagoldman wrote: »It's funny, I've been playing bg and I've seen maybe 4 mag sorcs. It's hands down a stam proc meta for bg.
MagSorcs aren't dominating anything in BGs but stealing kills.
Anyone who thinks MagSorc is OP in BGs is insane. Stam > Magic for NonCP.
Delusional much? Yeah the execute isn't the only reason why they're dominating. It's mainly because they can spam hardened ward indefinitely since it once consumes 2k out of their 50k magicka pool.
Once again sorcs are dominating not just BGs, but also PvP.
You're not getting 50K in no-CP...
Necro, destruction mastery, master weapons. Bound aegis, pet up, and inner light front bar.
Wow you created a setup with no regeneration at all aswell as 3 toggles on frontbar two on backbar.
Along with that hardened ward costs about 60% more than what you claim it would.
It costs 2k and change. I would tell you the exact value, but I'm not online. It should cost as much as harness magicka in order for it to be balanced. But instead it is much cheaper.
2844 on a 7 light build (not many run 7 light).Edited by Derra on June 13, 2017 12:56PM<Noricum>
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✭✭✭✭✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »Sorcs are dominant at range, but there's several classes I'd take over it in close quarters.
Agree 100%.
I'm going to work on my NonCP Sorc this weekend as I feel I'm only useful with a coordinated team. Frogrim_tactics wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »Sorcs are not OP in BGs - that's hilarious. MagSorcs are the easiest ones to kill in BGs.
NBs rule the realm of BGs from a pure damage stand point.
As far as kills - MagSorcs are stealing those all day but they melt super easy. They just hang out in the back. Run over there and smack em - super easy.No reason to go with anything else than sorc in BG.
The gap with other classes is abyssal.
Me uterly sucking at sorc do way better than with my DK that I consider playing not too badly.
And yes the problem is endless fury ... The other advantages sorcs have are acceptable but endless fury in BG environment is game breaking.
I'd take a MagDK and NB over Sorc in BGs any day. The bursts from NBs is way too OP in NonCP and MagDK can do good damage and survivability is better in BGs than MagSorc.
Dude... You don't have to defend your OP class on the forums, sorcs never get nerfs, you have nothing to worry about. OP4Life
You obviously don't play a MagSorc in BGs do you?
I've played StamBlade, MagDK, StamDK, and MagSorc. MagSorc is my main in most PvP.
In BGs - MagSorc survivability is garbage. In CP campaigns - yes they're OP as hell - but this is about BGs riiiiiiiight?
So yes - NBs and MagDK are awesome in BGs. Great versatility.
Want to steal everyone's kills and melt to most everything because shields are crap in NonCP - then by all means run a MagSorc, but since you don't - then you don't know what you are talking about.
Your burst combo is better than NBs, and it's ranged... You have shields for survivability as well as streak... NBs have a broken (still) cloak that can't be used as a reliable escape. Full medium is squishy AF, just like light and we have to be in melee range while sorcs are miles away.
With 1 shield I get, what, 7k in NonCP- and with two stacked it's a total of maybe 11k. So I get (for 5 seconds max) the same health as a DK. That's it. NB burst is much higher because the passives the burst has as far as debuffing you in the process to follow up attacks which hit harder. My MagSorc does not do 18k in 1 second - I would love to know how your MagSorc can do 18k in 1 second.
With my NB - I can kill someone in BGs before the animation of them being stunned even finishes.
1v1... No you can't, unless they have like 16k health. Everyone is running 21k +...
Yes I can and it's insane with all the procs hitting insanely hard. StamBlade in BGs melts.Emmagoldman wrote: »It's funny, I've been playing bg and I've seen maybe 4 mag sorcs. It's hands down a stam proc meta for bg.
MagSorcs aren't dominating anything in BGs but stealing kills.
Anyone who thinks MagSorc is OP in BGs is insane. Stam > Magic for NonCP.
Delusional much? Yeah the execute isn't the only reason why they're dominating. It's mainly because they can spam hardened ward indefinitely since it once consumes 2k out of their 50k magicka pool.
Once again sorcs are dominating not just BGs, but also PvP.
You're not getting 50K in no-CP...
Necro, destruction mastery, master weapons. Bound aegis, pet up, and inner light front bar.
Wow you created a setup with no regeneration at all aswell as 3 toggles on frontbar two on backbar.
Along with that hardened ward costs about 60% more than what you claim it would.
It costs 2k and change. I would tell you the exact value, but I'm not online. It should cost as much as harness magicka in order for it to be balanced. But instead it is much cheaper.
Base cost of Hardened Ward is 3510. Base cost for Harness is 4590.
Lol yes that's what it'll cost if you were a stamina user casting it without a single piece of light armor equipped. But if you wear light armor it's much cheaper. Those numbers will only deceive readers that don't have a magsorc, but for those that do have one know both of those shields are much cheaper.
The cost for Harness is perfectly fine, but Hardened is not only cheaper, but stronger as well. This is not balanced.
Maybe that´s because harness costs 0 magica but instead returns ~ 2000 magica against magica players on the build you´ve mentioned?
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✭AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »@Irylia change it to dealing additional damage to low health targets like every other execute in the game. Not instantly vaporizing them because you precast it.
Well at 20% they should die. That's average 4-5k hp of your max and any execute like beam, killers blade, executioner have scaling damage to targets below % hp meaning they would all kill you almost instantly as well. Executioner and killers blade more so than beam because you can ani cancel it.
The strength of fury is that you can pre-cast it.
For all the other examples yougrim_tactics wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »Sorcs are not OP in BGs - that's hilarious. MagSorcs are the easiest ones to kill in BGs.
NBs rule the realm of BGs from a pure damage stand point.
As far as kills - MagSorcs are stealing those all day but they melt super easy. They just hang out in the back. Run over there and smack em - super easy.No reason to go with anything else than sorc in BG.
The gap with other classes is abyssal.
Me uterly sucking at sorc do way better than with my DK that I consider playing not too badly.
And yes the problem is endless fury ... The other advantages sorcs have are acceptable but endless fury in BG environment is game breaking.
I'd take a MagDK and NB over Sorc in BGs any day. The bursts from NBs is way too OP in NonCP and MagDK can do good damage and survivability is better in BGs than MagSorc.
Dude... You don't have to defend your OP class on the forums, sorcs never get nerfs, you have nothing to worry about. OP4Life
You obviously don't play a MagSorc in BGs do you?
I've played StamBlade, MagDK, StamDK, and MagSorc. MagSorc is my main in most PvP.
In BGs - MagSorc survivability is garbage. In CP campaigns - yes they're OP as hell - but this is about BGs riiiiiiiight?
So yes - NBs and MagDK are awesome in BGs. Great versatility.
Want to steal everyone's kills and melt to most everything because shields are crap in NonCP - then by all means run a MagSorc, but since you don't - then you don't know what you are talking about.
Your burst combo is better than NBs, and it's ranged... You have shields for survivability as well as streak... NBs have a broken (still) cloak that can't be used as a reliable escape. Full medium is squishy AF, just like light and we have to be in melee range while sorcs are miles away.
Irylia
Uh what? No it's not
Have to set up curse then try to proc a frag before curse blows toss a frag so they hit simultaneously and if curse blew up before frag proc then you need to cook the frag and replace curse. Toss that frag now with the curse and OH SHUCKS shuffle dodged your frag. Okay well now reset curse get a proc and try again. Shucks he rolled because Stam blade. Set it up again. Drats he cloaked my frag. Okay one more time. Naw shuffle got him. Alright one last time. Sweet our frag and curse connected but only did 10-13k total and tk kicks in.
This entire time we were warding/streaking/cshocking for procs/dark deal for more mag because we run out fast spending
3k per hard ward
4k pet harness or healing
3.3k boundless
3k scaling streak
2.5k curse
1.7k frag
2k shock
And the majority of our resources were burned just to miss on someone who can roll cloak and shuffle rng us.
But wait
That nb comes up to us and heavy incaps
No worries our 7k ward and 15k resistances (back bar defending) will hold against that.
Nope. Viper. Selene if not tk (which would remove the tk line of play yes)
Adds another 7-10k on top of the 4-5k surprise attack and the 6-7k incap stun
Assuming none crit or got past ward to crit.
Now they get a damage increase on us and all their next procs will hit harder and the skills hurt more while we try to spam our 3k cost 7k ward
30-33k average mag in no cp that's 10 wards no regen not counting other skills tossed in. Such as a much needed healing ward that may be removed and need to be replaced. A streak that might need to be scaled since one wasnt enough with the delay front and back.
Even with 38k mag I was getting an 8.3k ward
Necro willpower
It's alright though, we have a better burst combo so let's just kill the nb
Potatoes sure
Half decent player, no
You should try mDK in BGs. I spent yesterday on my MagSorc and lol dude, don't even act like Sorc has anything but advantages over every other class.Strider_Roshin wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »Sorcs are dominant at range, but there's several classes I'd take over it in close quarters.
Agree 100%.
I'm going to work on my NonCP Sorc this weekend as I feel I'm only useful with a coordinated team. Frogrim_tactics wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »Sorcs are not OP in BGs - that's hilarious. MagSorcs are the easiest ones to kill in BGs.
NBs rule the realm of BGs from a pure damage stand point.
As far as kills - MagSorcs are stealing those all day but they melt super easy. They just hang out in the back. Run over there and smack em - super easy.No reason to go with anything else than sorc in BG.
The gap with other classes is abyssal.
Me uterly sucking at sorc do way better than with my DK that I consider playing not too badly.
And yes the problem is endless fury ... The other advantages sorcs have are acceptable but endless fury in BG environment is game breaking.
I'd take a MagDK and NB over Sorc in BGs any day. The bursts from NBs is way too OP in NonCP and MagDK can do good damage and survivability is better in BGs than MagSorc.
Dude... You don't have to defend your OP class on the forums, sorcs never get nerfs, you have nothing to worry about. OP4Life
You obviously don't play a MagSorc in BGs do you?
I've played StamBlade, MagDK, StamDK, and MagSorc. MagSorc is my main in most PvP.
In BGs - MagSorc survivability is garbage. In CP campaigns - yes they're OP as hell - but this is about BGs riiiiiiiight?
So yes - NBs and MagDK are awesome in BGs. Great versatility.
Want to steal everyone's kills and melt to most everything because shields are crap in NonCP - then by all means run a MagSorc, but since you don't - then you don't know what you are talking about.
Your burst combo is better than NBs, and it's ranged... You have shields for survivability as well as streak... NBs have a broken (still) cloak that can't be used as a reliable escape. Full medium is squishy AF, just like light and we have to be in melee range while sorcs are miles away.
With 1 shield I get, what, 7k in NonCP- and with two stacked it's a total of maybe 11k. So I get (for 5 seconds max) the same health as a DK. That's it. NB burst is much higher because the passives the burst has as far as debuffing you in the process to follow up attacks which hit harder. My MagSorc does not do 18k in 1 second - I would love to know how your MagSorc can do 18k in 1 second.
With my NB - I can kill someone in BGs before the animation of them being stunned even finishes.
1v1... No you can't, unless they have like 16k health. Everyone is running 21k +...
Yes I can and it's insane with all the procs hitting insanely hard. StamBlade in BGs melts.Emmagoldman wrote: »It's funny, I've been playing bg and I've seen maybe 4 mag sorcs. It's hands down a stam proc meta for bg.
MagSorcs aren't dominating anything in BGs but stealing kills.
Anyone who thinks MagSorc is OP in BGs is insane. Stam > Magic for NonCP.
Delusional much? Yeah the execute isn't the only reason why they're dominating. It's mainly because they can spam hardened ward indefinitely since it once consumes 2k out of their 50k magicka pool.
Once again sorcs are dominating not just BGs, but also PvP.
I'm glad you had a team to carry you.
If advantage meaning I can steal kills, then yea, I'm op.Edited by Irylia on June 13, 2017 1:54PM0 -
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✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »Sorcs are dominant at range, but there's several classes I'd take over it in close quarters.
Agree 100%.
I'm going to work on my NonCP Sorc this weekend as I feel I'm only useful with a coordinated team. Frogrim_tactics wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »Sorcs are not OP in BGs - that's hilarious. MagSorcs are the easiest ones to kill in BGs.
NBs rule the realm of BGs from a pure damage stand point.
As far as kills - MagSorcs are stealing those all day but they melt super easy. They just hang out in the back. Run over there and smack em - super easy.No reason to go with anything else than sorc in BG.
The gap with other classes is abyssal.
Me uterly sucking at sorc do way better than with my DK that I consider playing not too badly.
And yes the problem is endless fury ... The other advantages sorcs have are acceptable but endless fury in BG environment is game breaking.
I'd take a MagDK and NB over Sorc in BGs any day. The bursts from NBs is way too OP in NonCP and MagDK can do good damage and survivability is better in BGs than MagSorc.
Dude... You don't have to defend your OP class on the forums, sorcs never get nerfs, you have nothing to worry about. OP4Life
You obviously don't play a MagSorc in BGs do you?
I've played StamBlade, MagDK, StamDK, and MagSorc. MagSorc is my main in most PvP.
In BGs - MagSorc survivability is garbage. In CP campaigns - yes they're OP as hell - but this is about BGs riiiiiiiight?
So yes - NBs and MagDK are awesome in BGs. Great versatility.
Want to steal everyone's kills and melt to most everything because shields are crap in NonCP - then by all means run a MagSorc, but since you don't - then you don't know what you are talking about.
Your burst combo is better than NBs, and it's ranged... You have shields for survivability as well as streak... NBs have a broken (still) cloak that can't be used as a reliable escape. Full medium is squishy AF, just like light and we have to be in melee range while sorcs are miles away.
With 1 shield I get, what, 7k in NonCP- and with two stacked it's a total of maybe 11k. So I get (for 5 seconds max) the same health as a DK. That's it. NB burst is much higher because the passives the burst has as far as debuffing you in the process to follow up attacks which hit harder. My MagSorc does not do 18k in 1 second - I would love to know how your MagSorc can do 18k in 1 second.
With my NB - I can kill someone in BGs before the animation of them being stunned even finishes.
1v1... No you can't, unless they have like 16k health. Everyone is running 21k +...
Yes I can and it's insane with all the procs hitting insanely hard. StamBlade in BGs melts.Emmagoldman wrote: »It's funny, I've been playing bg and I've seen maybe 4 mag sorcs. It's hands down a stam proc meta for bg.
MagSorcs aren't dominating anything in BGs but stealing kills.
Anyone who thinks MagSorc is OP in BGs is insane. Stam > Magic for NonCP.
Delusional much? Yeah the execute isn't the only reason why they're dominating. It's mainly because they can spam hardened ward indefinitely since it once consumes 2k out of their 50k magicka pool.
Once again sorcs are dominating not just BGs, but also PvP.
You're not getting 50K in no-CP...
Necro, destruction mastery, master weapons. Bound aegis, pet up, and inner light front bar.
Wow you created a setup with no regeneration at all aswell as 3 toggles on frontbar two on backbar.
Along with that hardened ward costs about 60% more than what you claim it would.
It costs 2k and change. I would tell you the exact value, but I'm not online. It should cost as much as harness magicka in order for it to be balanced. But instead it is much cheaper.
Mine costs 3k
Healing and harness cost 3.9k
Harness is a 5k ward that won't mitigate more than one magicka ability meaning you won't receive 3 sep sources of mag return. And Stam also removes that without refunding mag.
Hard ward is 7.3k with 31k
Even with 38k mag no cp it was only 8.5k
So that's cool. At 50k mag I'll have a 10.4 k ward when I can get that in cp with 37k back bar.
A sorcs only mitigation requires a large amount of resource investment for not much mitigation.
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Agree 100%.
I'm going to work on my NonCP Sorc this weekend as I feel I'm only useful with a coordinated team. Frogrim_tactics wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »Sorcs are not OP in BGs - that's hilarious. MagSorcs are the easiest ones to kill in BGs.
NBs rule the realm of BGs from a pure damage stand point.
As far as kills - MagSorcs are stealing those all day but they melt super easy. They just hang out in the back. Run over there and smack em - super easy.No reason to go with anything else than sorc in BG.
The gap with other classes is abyssal.
Me uterly sucking at sorc do way better than with my DK that I consider playing not too badly.
And yes the problem is endless fury ... The other advantages sorcs have are acceptable but endless fury in BG environment is game breaking.
I'd take a MagDK and NB over Sorc in BGs any day. The bursts from NBs is way too OP in NonCP and MagDK can do good damage and survivability is better in BGs than MagSorc.
Dude... You don't have to defend your OP class on the forums, sorcs never get nerfs, you have nothing to worry about. OP4Life
You obviously don't play a MagSorc in BGs do you?
I've played StamBlade, MagDK, StamDK, and MagSorc. MagSorc is my main in most PvP.
In BGs - MagSorc survivability is garbage. In CP campaigns - yes they're OP as hell - but this is about BGs riiiiiiiight?
So yes - NBs and MagDK are awesome in BGs. Great versatility.
Want to steal everyone's kills and melt to most everything because shields are crap in NonCP - then by all means run a MagSorc, but since you don't - then you don't know what you are talking about.
Your burst combo is better than NBs, and it's ranged... You have shields for survivability as well as streak... NBs have a broken (still) cloak that can't be used as a reliable escape. Full medium is squishy AF, just like light and we have to be in melee range while sorcs are miles away.
With 1 shield I get, what, 7k in NonCP- and with two stacked it's a total of maybe 11k. So I get (for 5 seconds max) the same health as a DK. That's it. NB burst is much higher because the passives the burst has as far as debuffing you in the process to follow up attacks which hit harder. My MagSorc does not do 18k in 1 second - I would love to know how your MagSorc can do 18k in 1 second.
With my NB - I can kill someone in BGs before the animation of them being stunned even finishes.
1v1... No you can't, unless they have like 16k health. Everyone is running 21k +...
Yes I can and it's insane with all the procs hitting insanely hard. StamBlade in BGs melts.Emmagoldman wrote: »It's funny, I've been playing bg and I've seen maybe 4 mag sorcs. It's hands down a stam proc meta for bg.
MagSorcs aren't dominating anything in BGs but stealing kills.
Anyone who thinks MagSorc is OP in BGs is insane. Stam > Magic for NonCP.
Delusional much? Yeah the execute isn't the only reason why they're dominating. It's mainly because they can spam hardened ward indefinitely since it once consumes 2k out of their 50k magicka pool.
Once again sorcs are dominating not just BGs, but also PvP.
Look, I don't make YouTube videos and I don't stream, so therefore everyone just assumes I don't know what I'm talking about - and honestly I don't care. Trust me though that I stand behind my statements 100% as a day 1 MagSorc.
You even have one of the best, if not the best, MagSorcs in the game essentially saying the same thing.
Like I said before, you obviously don't play a MagSorc so please go make one and jump into BGs and tell me how often you can spam your shields and also try and do some offense without running out of Mag.
Bursts? Read above about how our so called "highest burst damage" actually works. Not even close to highest burst damage.Strider_Roshin wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »Sorcs are dominant at range, but there's several classes I'd take over it in close quarters.
Agree 100%.
I'm going to work on my NonCP Sorc this weekend as I feel I'm only useful with a coordinated team. Frogrim_tactics wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »Sorcs are not OP in BGs - that's hilarious. MagSorcs are the easiest ones to kill in BGs.
NBs rule the realm of BGs from a pure damage stand point.
As far as kills - MagSorcs are stealing those all day but they melt super easy. They just hang out in the back. Run over there and smack em - super easy.No reason to go with anything else than sorc in BG.
The gap with other classes is abyssal.
Me uterly sucking at sorc do way better than with my DK that I consider playing not too badly.
And yes the problem is endless fury ... The other advantages sorcs have are acceptable but endless fury in BG environment is game breaking.
I'd take a MagDK and NB over Sorc in BGs any day. The bursts from NBs is way too OP in NonCP and MagDK can do good damage and survivability is better in BGs than MagSorc.
Dude... You don't have to defend your OP class on the forums, sorcs never get nerfs, you have nothing to worry about. OP4Life
You obviously don't play a MagSorc in BGs do you?
I've played StamBlade, MagDK, StamDK, and MagSorc. MagSorc is my main in most PvP.
In BGs - MagSorc survivability is garbage. In CP campaigns - yes they're OP as hell - but this is about BGs riiiiiiiight?
So yes - NBs and MagDK are awesome in BGs. Great versatility.
Want to steal everyone's kills and melt to most everything because shields are crap in NonCP - then by all means run a MagSorc, but since you don't - then you don't know what you are talking about.
Your burst combo is better than NBs, and it's ranged... You have shields for survivability as well as streak... NBs have a broken (still) cloak that can't be used as a reliable escape. Full medium is squishy AF, just like light and we have to be in melee range while sorcs are miles away.
With 1 shield I get, what, 7k in NonCP- and with two stacked it's a total of maybe 11k. So I get (for 5 seconds max) the same health as a DK. That's it. NB burst is much higher because the passives the burst has as far as debuffing you in the process to follow up attacks which hit harder. My MagSorc does not do 18k in 1 second - I would love to know how your MagSorc can do 18k in 1 second.
With my NB - I can kill someone in BGs before the animation of them being stunned even finishes.
1v1... No you can't, unless they have like 16k health. Everyone is running 21k +...
Yes I can and it's insane with all the procs hitting insanely hard. StamBlade in BGs melts.Emmagoldman wrote: »It's funny, I've been playing bg and I've seen maybe 4 mag sorcs. It's hands down a stam proc meta for bg.
MagSorcs aren't dominating anything in BGs but stealing kills.
Anyone who thinks MagSorc is OP in BGs is insane. Stam > Magic for NonCP.
Delusional much? Yeah the execute isn't the only reason why they're dominating. It's mainly because they can spam hardened ward indefinitely since it once consumes 2k out of their 50k magicka pool.
Once again sorcs are dominating not just BGs, but also PvP.
You're not getting 50K in no-CP...
Necro, destruction mastery, master weapons. Bound aegis, pet up, and inner light front bar.
That's a horrible set up for BGs that offers no regen and isn't really viable.Edited by grim_tactics on June 13, 2017 2:57PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »Necro, destruction mastery, master weapons. Bound aegis, pet up, and inner light front bar.
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but actually more like 
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✭✭✭AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »@Irylia change it to dealing additional damage to low health targets like every other execute in the game. Not instantly vaporizing them because you precast it.
Well at 20% they should die. That's average 4-5k hp of your max and any execute like beam, killers blade, executioner have scaling damage to targets below % hp meaning they would all kill you almost instantly as well. Executioner and killers blade more so than beam because you can ani cancel it.
The strength of fury is that you can pre-cast it.
For all the other examples yougrim_tactics wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »Sorcs are not OP in BGs - that's hilarious. MagSorcs are the easiest ones to kill in BGs.
NBs rule the realm of BGs from a pure damage stand point.
As far as kills - MagSorcs are stealing those all day but they melt super easy. They just hang out in the back. Run over there and smack em - super easy.No reason to go with anything else than sorc in BG.
The gap with other classes is abyssal.
Me uterly sucking at sorc do way better than with my DK that I consider playing not too badly.
And yes the problem is endless fury ... The other advantages sorcs have are acceptable but endless fury in BG environment is game breaking.
I'd take a MagDK and NB over Sorc in BGs any day. The bursts from NBs is way too OP in NonCP and MagDK can do good damage and survivability is better in BGs than MagSorc.
Dude... You don't have to defend your OP class on the forums, sorcs never get nerfs, you have nothing to worry about. OP4Life
You obviously don't play a MagSorc in BGs do you?
I've played StamBlade, MagDK, StamDK, and MagSorc. MagSorc is my main in most PvP.
In BGs - MagSorc survivability is garbage. In CP campaigns - yes they're OP as hell - but this is about BGs riiiiiiiight?
So yes - NBs and MagDK are awesome in BGs. Great versatility.
Want to steal everyone's kills and melt to most everything because shields are crap in NonCP - then by all means run a MagSorc, but since you don't - then you don't know what you are talking about.
Your burst combo is better than NBs, and it's ranged... You have shields for survivability as well as streak... NBs have a broken (still) cloak that can't be used as a reliable escape. Full medium is squishy AF, just like light and we have to be in melee range while sorcs are miles away.
Irylia
Uh what? No it's not
Have to set up curse then try to proc a frag before curse blows toss a frag so they hit simultaneously and if curse blew up before frag proc then you need to cook the frag and replace curse. Toss that frag now with the curse and OH SHUCKS shuffle dodged your frag. Okay well now reset curse get a proc and try again. Shucks he rolled because Stam blade. Set it up again. Drats he cloaked my frag. Okay one more time. Naw shuffle got him. Alright one last time. Sweet our frag and curse connected but only did 10-13k total and tk kicks in.
This entire time we were warding/streaking/cshocking for procs/dark deal for more mag because we run out fast spending
3k per hard ward
4k pet harness or healing
3.3k boundless
3k scaling streak
2.5k curse
1.7k frag
2k shock
And the majority of our resources were burned just to miss on someone who can roll cloak and shuffle rng us.
But wait
That nb comes up to us and heavy incaps
No worries our 7k ward and 15k resistances (back bar defending) will hold against that.
Nope. Viper. Selene if not tk (which would remove the tk line of play yes)
Adds another 7-10k on top of the 4-5k surprise attack and the 6-7k incap stun
Assuming none crit or got past ward to crit.
Now they get a damage increase on us and all their next procs will hit harder and the skills hurt more while we try to spam our 3k cost 7k ward
30-33k average mag in no cp that's 10 wards no regen not counting other skills tossed in. Such as a much needed healing ward that may be removed and need to be replaced. A streak that might need to be scaled since one wasnt enough with the delay front and back.
Even with 38k mag I was getting an 8.3k ward
Necro willpower
It's alright though, we have a better burst combo so let's just kill the nb
Potatoes sure
Half decent player, no
You should try mDK in BGs. I spent yesterday on my MagSorc and lol dude, don't even act like Sorc has anything but advantages over every other class.Strider_Roshin wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »Sorcs are dominant at range, but there's several classes I'd take over it in close quarters.
Agree 100%.
I'm going to work on my NonCP Sorc this weekend as I feel I'm only useful with a coordinated team. Frogrim_tactics wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »Sorcs are not OP in BGs - that's hilarious. MagSorcs are the easiest ones to kill in BGs.
NBs rule the realm of BGs from a pure damage stand point.
As far as kills - MagSorcs are stealing those all day but they melt super easy. They just hang out in the back. Run over there and smack em - super easy.No reason to go with anything else than sorc in BG.
The gap with other classes is abyssal.
Me uterly sucking at sorc do way better than with my DK that I consider playing not too badly.
And yes the problem is endless fury ... The other advantages sorcs have are acceptable but endless fury in BG environment is game breaking.
I'd take a MagDK and NB over Sorc in BGs any day. The bursts from NBs is way too OP in NonCP and MagDK can do good damage and survivability is better in BGs than MagSorc.
Dude... You don't have to defend your OP class on the forums, sorcs never get nerfs, you have nothing to worry about. OP4Life
You obviously don't play a MagSorc in BGs do you?
I've played StamBlade, MagDK, StamDK, and MagSorc. MagSorc is my main in most PvP.
In BGs - MagSorc survivability is garbage. In CP campaigns - yes they're OP as hell - but this is about BGs riiiiiiiight?
So yes - NBs and MagDK are awesome in BGs. Great versatility.
Want to steal everyone's kills and melt to most everything because shields are crap in NonCP - then by all means run a MagSorc, but since you don't - then you don't know what you are talking about.
Your burst combo is better than NBs, and it's ranged... You have shields for survivability as well as streak... NBs have a broken (still) cloak that can't be used as a reliable escape. Full medium is squishy AF, just like light and we have to be in melee range while sorcs are miles away.
With 1 shield I get, what, 7k in NonCP- and with two stacked it's a total of maybe 11k. So I get (for 5 seconds max) the same health as a DK. That's it. NB burst is much higher because the passives the burst has as far as debuffing you in the process to follow up attacks which hit harder. My MagSorc does not do 18k in 1 second - I would love to know how your MagSorc can do 18k in 1 second.
With my NB - I can kill someone in BGs before the animation of them being stunned even finishes.
1v1... No you can't, unless they have like 16k health. Everyone is running 21k +...
Yes I can and it's insane with all the procs hitting insanely hard. StamBlade in BGs melts.Emmagoldman wrote: »It's funny, I've been playing bg and I've seen maybe 4 mag sorcs. It's hands down a stam proc meta for bg.
MagSorcs aren't dominating anything in BGs but stealing kills.
Anyone who thinks MagSorc is OP in BGs is insane. Stam > Magic for NonCP.
Delusional much? Yeah the execute isn't the only reason why they're dominating. It's mainly because they can spam hardened ward indefinitely since it once consumes 2k out of their 50k magicka pool.
Once again sorcs are dominating not just BGs, but also PvP.
I'm glad you had a team to carry you.
If advantage meaning I can steal kills, then yea, I'm op.
Weird vitriol. Are you like this with everybody? I've never fought nor spoken to you AFAIK so the personal attacks are kind of unnecessary.
Getting back on track, and this is a serious question, but do you think Sorcs are underperforming in BGs? I just want to get an idea of where you're coming from here.Invictus
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Witar✭✭✭✭✭Sorcs don't realy dominate bgs. Proctatos do. Dks for example. Don't like sorcs - slot knight slayer\shieldbreaker coupled with oblivion enchant. There. Done. You're incredible and super annoying to magsorcs. They will literally hate you. Stamina pretty much same on any class. Don't think that stamsorcs gets it easier then any other.Edited by Witar on June 14, 2017 4:53AMIt cannot be seen, cannot be felt,
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✭grim_tactics wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »Sorcs are not OP in BGs - that's hilarious. MagSorcs are the easiest ones to kill in BGs.
NBs rule the realm of BGs from a pure damage stand point.
As far as kills - MagSorcs are stealing those all day but they melt super easy. They just hang out in the back. Run over there and smack em - super easy.No reason to go with anything else than sorc in BG.
The gap with other classes is abyssal.
Me uterly sucking at sorc do way better than with my DK that I consider playing not too badly.
And yes the problem is endless fury ... The other advantages sorcs have are acceptable but endless fury in BG environment is game breaking.
I'd take a MagDK and NB over Sorc in BGs any day. The bursts from NBs is way too OP in NonCP and MagDK can do good damage and survivability is better in BGs than MagSorc.
Dude... You don't have to defend your OP class on the forums, sorcs never get nerfs, you have nothing to worry about. OP4Life
You obviously don't play a MagSorc in BGs do you?
I've played StamBlade, MagDK, StamDK, and MagSorc. MagSorc is my main in most PvP.
In BGs - MagSorc survivability is garbage. In CP campaigns - yes they're OP as hell - but this is about BGs riiiiiiiight?
So yes - NBs and MagDK are awesome in BGs. Great versatility.
Want to steal everyone's kills and melt to most everything because shields are crap in NonCP - then by all means run a MagSorc, but since you don't - then you don't know what you are talking about.
Your burst combo is better than NBs, and it's ranged... You have shields for survivability as well as streak... NBs have a broken (still) cloak that can't be used as a reliable escape. Full medium is squishy AF, just like light and we have to be in melee range while sorcs are miles away.
And if you get in melee range of the sorc, implosion will do the rest... yey for double executes on 1 class.
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✭I have no problem killing people or sustaining on my sorc.In BG most stambuilds are in medium armor and melt if I can land a curse and frag.Magdk are a bit tougher but if their another sorc with me we just stack curse on them and they melt.Mages fury instant kill to any build when 20% I rack up kills.1 -
Draekony✭✭I took my cyro sorc into BG to have some fun, sure I blew up some people, but was some smart tank DK that just reflected most of it. Plus the potato proc'ers, nothing to see there, I'll stick to my magblade for BGs.0
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✭✭✭I took my cyro sorc into BG to have some fun, sure I blew up some people, but was some smart tank DK that just reflected most of it. Plus the potato proc'ers, nothing to see there, I'll stick to my magblade for BGs.
I'm just curious, but what did this DK reflect?
1: Crushing Shock? Not reflectable.
2: Endless Fury? Not reflectable.
3: Haunting Curse? Not reflectable.
4: Crystal Frag? Reflectable.
So, just to be clear, when you say this DK tank "just reflected most of it" you are, in fact, referring only to Crystal Fragments?Invictus
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✭✭✭✭I took my cyro sorc into BG to have some fun, sure I blew up some people, but was some smart tank DK that just reflected most of it. Plus the potato proc'ers, nothing to see there, I'll stick to my magblade for BGs.
I'm just curious, but what did this DK reflect?
1: Crushing Shock? Not reflectable.
2: Endless Fury? Not reflectable.
3: Haunting Curse? Not reflectable.
4: Crystal Frag? Reflectable.
So, just to be clear, when you say this DK tank "just reflected most of it" you are, in fact, referring only to Crystal Fragments?
To be fair.. There are players that reflect most of my DMG. I usually DW, so no CS. Endless fury tickles unless you can get them to execute range. Frags is the biggest hitter by far, and often empowered, but often reflected. Leaving curse every 3.5 seconds, which will get no-one to execute range on its own.
Reflect is a VERY hard counter to DW sorcs.Minalan owes me a beer.
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✭✭✭✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »Necro, destruction mastery, master weapons. Bound aegis, pet up, and inner light front bar.
Stop it thelon. Doesn't your sorc have 14 slots? You know, to fit those 10 set piece items, a monster set, and a pair of master weapons.
I took my cyro sorc into BG to have some fun, sure I blew up some people, but was some smart tank DK that just reflected most of it. Plus the potato proc'ers, nothing to see there, I'll stick to my magblade for BGs.
I'm just curious, but what did this DK reflect?
1: Crushing Shock? Not reflectable.
2: Endless Fury? Not reflectable.
3: Haunting Curse? Not reflectable.
4: Crystal Frag? Reflectable.
So, just to be clear, when you say this DK tank "just reflected most of it" you are, in fact, referring only to Crystal Fragments?
To be fair, frags is more than half of a sorc's burst damage. That qualifies as 'most'. God help you if you try to use overlol. You'll kill yourself in two shots.
I remember doing that as a brand new sorc, my first time in Cyrodiil. Edited by Minalan on June 14, 2017 5:54PM1 -
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✭grim_tactics wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »Sorcs are dominant at range, but there's several classes I'd take over it in close quarters.
Agree 100%.
I'm going to work on my NonCP Sorc this weekend as I feel I'm only useful with a coordinated team. Frogrim_tactics wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »Sorcs are not OP in BGs - that's hilarious. MagSorcs are the easiest ones to kill in BGs.
NBs rule the realm of BGs from a pure damage stand point.
As far as kills - MagSorcs are stealing those all day but they melt super easy. They just hang out in the back. Run over there and smack em - super easy.No reason to go with anything else than sorc in BG.
The gap with other classes is abyssal.
Me uterly sucking at sorc do way better than with my DK that I consider playing not too badly.
And yes the problem is endless fury ... The other advantages sorcs have are acceptable but endless fury in BG environment is game breaking.
I'd take a MagDK and NB over Sorc in BGs any day. The bursts from NBs is way too OP in NonCP and MagDK can do good damage and survivability is better in BGs than MagSorc.
Dude... You don't have to defend your OP class on the forums, sorcs never get nerfs, you have nothing to worry about. OP4Life
You obviously don't play a MagSorc in BGs do you?
I've played StamBlade, MagDK, StamDK, and MagSorc. MagSorc is my main in most PvP.
In BGs - MagSorc survivability is garbage. In CP campaigns - yes they're OP as hell - but this is about BGs riiiiiiiight?
So yes - NBs and MagDK are awesome in BGs. Great versatility.
Want to steal everyone's kills and melt to most everything because shields are crap in NonCP - then by all means run a MagSorc, but since you don't - then you don't know what you are talking about.
Your burst combo is better than NBs, and it's ranged... You have shields for survivability as well as streak... NBs have a broken (still) cloak that can't be used as a reliable escape. Full medium is squishy AF, just like light and we have to be in melee range while sorcs are miles away.
With 1 shield I get, what, 7k in NonCP- and with two stacked it's a total of maybe 11k. So I get (for 5 seconds max) the same health as a DK. That's it. NB burst is much higher because the passives the burst has as far as debuffing you in the process to follow up attacks which hit harder. My MagSorc does not do 18k in 1 second - I would love to know how your MagSorc can do 18k in 1 second.
With my NB - I can kill someone in BGs before the animation of them being stunned even finishes.
1v1... No you can't, unless they have like 16k health. Everyone is running 21k +...
Yes I can and it's insane with all the procs hitting insanely hard. StamBlade in BGs melts.Emmagoldman wrote: »It's funny, I've been playing bg and I've seen maybe 4 mag sorcs. It's hands down a stam proc meta for bg.
MagSorcs aren't dominating anything in BGs but stealing kills.
Anyone who thinks MagSorc is OP in BGs is insane. Stam > Magic for NonCP.
Delusional much? Yeah the execute isn't the only reason why they're dominating. It's mainly because they can spam hardened ward indefinitely since it once consumes 2k out of their 50k magicka pool.
Once again sorcs are dominating not just BGs, but also PvP.
Look, I don't make YouTube videos and I don't stream, so therefore everyone just assumes I don't know what I'm talking about - and honestly I don't care. Trust me though that I stand behind my statements 100% as a day 1 MagSorc.
You even have one of the best, if not the best, MagSorcs in the game essentially saying the same thing.
Like I said before, you obviously don't play a MagSorc so please go make one and jump into BGs and tell me how often you can spam your shields and also try and do some offense without running out of Mag.
Bursts? Read above about how our so called "highest burst damage" actually works. Not even close to highest burst damage.Strider_Roshin wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »Sorcs are dominant at range, but there's several classes I'd take over it in close quarters.
Agree 100%.
I'm going to work on my NonCP Sorc this weekend as I feel I'm only useful with a coordinated team. Frogrim_tactics wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »Sorcs are not OP in BGs - that's hilarious. MagSorcs are the easiest ones to kill in BGs.
NBs rule the realm of BGs from a pure damage stand point.
As far as kills - MagSorcs are stealing those all day but they melt super easy. They just hang out in the back. Run over there and smack em - super easy.No reason to go with anything else than sorc in BG.
The gap with other classes is abyssal.
Me uterly sucking at sorc do way better than with my DK that I consider playing not too badly.
And yes the problem is endless fury ... The other advantages sorcs have are acceptable but endless fury in BG environment is game breaking.
I'd take a MagDK and NB over Sorc in BGs any day. The bursts from NBs is way too OP in NonCP and MagDK can do good damage and survivability is better in BGs than MagSorc.
Dude... You don't have to defend your OP class on the forums, sorcs never get nerfs, you have nothing to worry about. OP4Life
You obviously don't play a MagSorc in BGs do you?
I've played StamBlade, MagDK, StamDK, and MagSorc. MagSorc is my main in most PvP.
In BGs - MagSorc survivability is garbage. In CP campaigns - yes they're OP as hell - but this is about BGs riiiiiiiight?
So yes - NBs and MagDK are awesome in BGs. Great versatility.
Want to steal everyone's kills and melt to most everything because shields are crap in NonCP - then by all means run a MagSorc, but since you don't - then you don't know what you are talking about.
Your burst combo is better than NBs, and it's ranged... You have shields for survivability as well as streak... NBs have a broken (still) cloak that can't be used as a reliable escape. Full medium is squishy AF, just like light and we have to be in melee range while sorcs are miles away.
With 1 shield I get, what, 7k in NonCP- and with two stacked it's a total of maybe 11k. So I get (for 5 seconds max) the same health as a DK. That's it. NB burst is much higher because the passives the burst has as far as debuffing you in the process to follow up attacks which hit harder. My MagSorc does not do 18k in 1 second - I would love to know how your MagSorc can do 18k in 1 second.
With my NB - I can kill someone in BGs before the animation of them being stunned even finishes.
1v1... No you can't, unless they have like 16k health. Everyone is running 21k +...
Yes I can and it's insane with all the procs hitting insanely hard. StamBlade in BGs melts.Emmagoldman wrote: »It's funny, I've been playing bg and I've seen maybe 4 mag sorcs. It's hands down a stam proc meta for bg.
MagSorcs aren't dominating anything in BGs but stealing kills.
Anyone who thinks MagSorc is OP in BGs is insane. Stam > Magic for NonCP.
Delusional much? Yeah the execute isn't the only reason why they're dominating. It's mainly because they can spam hardened ward indefinitely since it once consumes 2k out of their 50k magicka pool.
Once again sorcs are dominating not just BGs, but also PvP.
You're not getting 50K in no-CP...
Necro, destruction mastery, master weapons. Bound aegis, pet up, and inner light front bar.
That's a horrible set up for BGs that offers no regen and isn't really viable.
Why does every sorc try to defend their broken OP class by saying something like this?
If more people wanted to be a no skill fuccboi that thinks they're amazing at pvp because of their massive sorc e-peen, I'm sure there would be more streaking around.
One doesn't need to play a sorc to know how blatant and ridiculously overpowered they are, most of us have been fighting them and putting up with the BS since day 1.Edited by Akinos on June 14, 2017 6:00PMPC NA | @AkinosPvP 1vX/Small Scaler, Raid Leader, Youtuber and Twitch.tv Streamer.MAGICKA MELEE IS LIFE!Magplar, MagDK, Magden, Magblade, Magsorc & Magcro PvP/Build videos & moretwitch.tv/akinospvp1 -
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✭✭✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »Necro, destruction mastery, master weapons. Bound aegis, pet up, and inner light front bar.
Stop it thelon. Doesn't your sorc have 14 slots? You know, to fit those 10 set piece items, a monster set, and a pair of master weapons.I took my cyro sorc into BG to have some fun, sure I blew up some people, but was some smart tank DK that just reflected most of it. Plus the potato proc'ers, nothing to see there, I'll stick to my magblade for BGs.
I'm just curious, but what did this DK reflect?
1: Crushing Shock? Not reflectable.
2: Endless Fury? Not reflectable.
3: Haunting Curse? Not reflectable.
4: Crystal Frag? Reflectable.
So, just to be clear, when you say this DK tank "just reflected most of it" you are, in fact, referring only to Crystal Fragments?
To be fair, frags is more than half of a sorc's burst damage. That qualifies as 'most'. God help you if you try to use overlol. You'll kill yourself in two shots.
I remember doing that as a brand new sorc, my first time in Cyrodiil.
To be fair, it's exaggerations like "DKs just reflect most of my damage!" that I find particularly annoying given that 1) it's only 1 skill that is actually reflectable; and 2) most mDKs have dropped reflect entirely due to the repeated nerfs to the skill, high skill cost, and continued revisions by ZOS making formerly reflectable abilities unreflectable.
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Sias - Sorcerer / PrefectZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.
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✭✭✭✭grim_tactics wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »Sorcs are dominant at range, but there's several classes I'd take over it in close quarters.
Agree 100%.
I'm going to work on my NonCP Sorc this weekend as I feel I'm only useful with a coordinated team. Frogrim_tactics wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »Sorcs are not OP in BGs - that's hilarious. MagSorcs are the easiest ones to kill in BGs.
NBs rule the realm of BGs from a pure damage stand point.
As far as kills - MagSorcs are stealing those all day but they melt super easy. They just hang out in the back. Run over there and smack em - super easy.No reason to go with anything else than sorc in BG.
The gap with other classes is abyssal.
Me uterly sucking at sorc do way better than with my DK that I consider playing not too badly.
And yes the problem is endless fury ... The other advantages sorcs have are acceptable but endless fury in BG environment is game breaking.
I'd take a MagDK and NB over Sorc in BGs any day. The bursts from NBs is way too OP in NonCP and MagDK can do good damage and survivability is better in BGs than MagSorc.
Dude... You don't have to defend your OP class on the forums, sorcs never get nerfs, you have nothing to worry about. OP4Life
You obviously don't play a MagSorc in BGs do you?
I've played StamBlade, MagDK, StamDK, and MagSorc. MagSorc is my main in most PvP.
In BGs - MagSorc survivability is garbage. In CP campaigns - yes they're OP as hell - but this is about BGs riiiiiiiight?
So yes - NBs and MagDK are awesome in BGs. Great versatility.
Want to steal everyone's kills and melt to most everything because shields are crap in NonCP - then by all means run a MagSorc, but since you don't - then you don't know what you are talking about.
Your burst combo is better than NBs, and it's ranged... You have shields for survivability as well as streak... NBs have a broken (still) cloak that can't be used as a reliable escape. Full medium is squishy AF, just like light and we have to be in melee range while sorcs are miles away.
With 1 shield I get, what, 7k in NonCP- and with two stacked it's a total of maybe 11k. So I get (for 5 seconds max) the same health as a DK. That's it. NB burst is much higher because the passives the burst has as far as debuffing you in the process to follow up attacks which hit harder. My MagSorc does not do 18k in 1 second - I would love to know how your MagSorc can do 18k in 1 second.
With my NB - I can kill someone in BGs before the animation of them being stunned even finishes.
1v1... No you can't, unless they have like 16k health. Everyone is running 21k +...
Yes I can and it's insane with all the procs hitting insanely hard. StamBlade in BGs melts.Emmagoldman wrote: »It's funny, I've been playing bg and I've seen maybe 4 mag sorcs. It's hands down a stam proc meta for bg.
MagSorcs aren't dominating anything in BGs but stealing kills.
Anyone who thinks MagSorc is OP in BGs is insane. Stam > Magic for NonCP.
Delusional much? Yeah the execute isn't the only reason why they're dominating. It's mainly because they can spam hardened ward indefinitely since it once consumes 2k out of their 50k magicka pool.
Once again sorcs are dominating not just BGs, but also PvP.
Look, I don't make YouTube videos and I don't stream, so therefore everyone just assumes I don't know what I'm talking about - and honestly I don't care. Trust me though that I stand behind my statements 100% as a day 1 MagSorc.
You even have one of the best, if not the best, MagSorcs in the game essentially saying the same thing.
Like I said before, you obviously don't play a MagSorc so please go make one and jump into BGs and tell me how often you can spam your shields and also try and do some offense without running out of Mag.
Bursts? Read above about how our so called "highest burst damage" actually works. Not even close to highest burst damage.Strider_Roshin wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »Sorcs are dominant at range, but there's several classes I'd take over it in close quarters.
Agree 100%.
I'm going to work on my NonCP Sorc this weekend as I feel I'm only useful with a coordinated team. Frogrim_tactics wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »Sorcs are not OP in BGs - that's hilarious. MagSorcs are the easiest ones to kill in BGs.
NBs rule the realm of BGs from a pure damage stand point.
As far as kills - MagSorcs are stealing those all day but they melt super easy. They just hang out in the back. Run over there and smack em - super easy.No reason to go with anything else than sorc in BG.
The gap with other classes is abyssal.
Me uterly sucking at sorc do way better than with my DK that I consider playing not too badly.
And yes the problem is endless fury ... The other advantages sorcs have are acceptable but endless fury in BG environment is game breaking.
I'd take a MagDK and NB over Sorc in BGs any day. The bursts from NBs is way too OP in NonCP and MagDK can do good damage and survivability is better in BGs than MagSorc.
Dude... You don't have to defend your OP class on the forums, sorcs never get nerfs, you have nothing to worry about. OP4Life
You obviously don't play a MagSorc in BGs do you?
I've played StamBlade, MagDK, StamDK, and MagSorc. MagSorc is my main in most PvP.
In BGs - MagSorc survivability is garbage. In CP campaigns - yes they're OP as hell - but this is about BGs riiiiiiiight?
So yes - NBs and MagDK are awesome in BGs. Great versatility.
Want to steal everyone's kills and melt to most everything because shields are crap in NonCP - then by all means run a MagSorc, but since you don't - then you don't know what you are talking about.
Your burst combo is better than NBs, and it's ranged... You have shields for survivability as well as streak... NBs have a broken (still) cloak that can't be used as a reliable escape. Full medium is squishy AF, just like light and we have to be in melee range while sorcs are miles away.
With 1 shield I get, what, 7k in NonCP- and with two stacked it's a total of maybe 11k. So I get (for 5 seconds max) the same health as a DK. That's it. NB burst is much higher because the passives the burst has as far as debuffing you in the process to follow up attacks which hit harder. My MagSorc does not do 18k in 1 second - I would love to know how your MagSorc can do 18k in 1 second.
With my NB - I can kill someone in BGs before the animation of them being stunned even finishes.
1v1... No you can't, unless they have like 16k health. Everyone is running 21k +...
Yes I can and it's insane with all the procs hitting insanely hard. StamBlade in BGs melts.Emmagoldman wrote: »It's funny, I've been playing bg and I've seen maybe 4 mag sorcs. It's hands down a stam proc meta for bg.
MagSorcs aren't dominating anything in BGs but stealing kills.
Anyone who thinks MagSorc is OP in BGs is insane. Stam > Magic for NonCP.
Delusional much? Yeah the execute isn't the only reason why they're dominating. It's mainly because they can spam hardened ward indefinitely since it once consumes 2k out of their 50k magicka pool.
Once again sorcs are dominating not just BGs, but also PvP.
You're not getting 50K in no-CP...
Necro, destruction mastery, master weapons. Bound aegis, pet up, and inner light front bar.
That's a horrible set up for BGs that offers no regen and isn't really viable.
Why does every sorc try to defend their broken OP class by saying something like this?
If more people wanted to be a no skill fuccboi that thinks they're amazing at pvp because of their massive sorc e-peen.
One doesn't need to play a sorc to know how blatant and ridiculously they are, most of us have been fighting them since day 1.
I think this guy is going to cry IRL....
Show me on the doll where the naughty sorc touched you?
What class do you play that's getting packed so badly by sorcerers? I don't mind giving some advice if you really need it.0 -
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✭✭✭grim_tactics wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »Sorcs are dominant at range, but there's several classes I'd take over it in close quarters.
Agree 100%.
I'm going to work on my NonCP Sorc this weekend as I feel I'm only useful with a coordinated team. Frogrim_tactics wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »Sorcs are not OP in BGs - that's hilarious. MagSorcs are the easiest ones to kill in BGs.
NBs rule the realm of BGs from a pure damage stand point.
As far as kills - MagSorcs are stealing those all day but they melt super easy. They just hang out in the back. Run over there and smack em - super easy.No reason to go with anything else than sorc in BG.
The gap with other classes is abyssal.
Me uterly sucking at sorc do way better than with my DK that I consider playing not too badly.
And yes the problem is endless fury ... The other advantages sorcs have are acceptable but endless fury in BG environment is game breaking.
I'd take a MagDK and NB over Sorc in BGs any day. The bursts from NBs is way too OP in NonCP and MagDK can do good damage and survivability is better in BGs than MagSorc.
Dude... You don't have to defend your OP class on the forums, sorcs never get nerfs, you have nothing to worry about. OP4Life
You obviously don't play a MagSorc in BGs do you?
I've played StamBlade, MagDK, StamDK, and MagSorc. MagSorc is my main in most PvP.
In BGs - MagSorc survivability is garbage. In CP campaigns - yes they're OP as hell - but this is about BGs riiiiiiiight?
So yes - NBs and MagDK are awesome in BGs. Great versatility.
Want to steal everyone's kills and melt to most everything because shields are crap in NonCP - then by all means run a MagSorc, but since you don't - then you don't know what you are talking about.
Your burst combo is better than NBs, and it's ranged... You have shields for survivability as well as streak... NBs have a broken (still) cloak that can't be used as a reliable escape. Full medium is squishy AF, just like light and we have to be in melee range while sorcs are miles away.
With 1 shield I get, what, 7k in NonCP- and with two stacked it's a total of maybe 11k. So I get (for 5 seconds max) the same health as a DK. That's it. NB burst is much higher because the passives the burst has as far as debuffing you in the process to follow up attacks which hit harder. My MagSorc does not do 18k in 1 second - I would love to know how your MagSorc can do 18k in 1 second.
With my NB - I can kill someone in BGs before the animation of them being stunned even finishes.
1v1... No you can't, unless they have like 16k health. Everyone is running 21k +...
Yes I can and it's insane with all the procs hitting insanely hard. StamBlade in BGs melts.Emmagoldman wrote: »It's funny, I've been playing bg and I've seen maybe 4 mag sorcs. It's hands down a stam proc meta for bg.
MagSorcs aren't dominating anything in BGs but stealing kills.
Anyone who thinks MagSorc is OP in BGs is insane. Stam > Magic for NonCP.
Delusional much? Yeah the execute isn't the only reason why they're dominating. It's mainly because they can spam hardened ward indefinitely since it once consumes 2k out of their 50k magicka pool.
Once again sorcs are dominating not just BGs, but also PvP.
Look, I don't make YouTube videos and I don't stream, so therefore everyone just assumes I don't know what I'm talking about - and honestly I don't care. Trust me though that I stand behind my statements 100% as a day 1 MagSorc.
You even have one of the best, if not the best, MagSorcs in the game essentially saying the same thing.
Like I said before, you obviously don't play a MagSorc so please go make one and jump into BGs and tell me how often you can spam your shields and also try and do some offense without running out of Mag.
Bursts? Read above about how our so called "highest burst damage" actually works. Not even close to highest burst damage.Strider_Roshin wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »Sorcs are dominant at range, but there's several classes I'd take over it in close quarters.
Agree 100%.
I'm going to work on my NonCP Sorc this weekend as I feel I'm only useful with a coordinated team. Frogrim_tactics wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »Sorcs are not OP in BGs - that's hilarious. MagSorcs are the easiest ones to kill in BGs.
NBs rule the realm of BGs from a pure damage stand point.
As far as kills - MagSorcs are stealing those all day but they melt super easy. They just hang out in the back. Run over there and smack em - super easy.No reason to go with anything else than sorc in BG.
The gap with other classes is abyssal.
Me uterly sucking at sorc do way better than with my DK that I consider playing not too badly.
And yes the problem is endless fury ... The other advantages sorcs have are acceptable but endless fury in BG environment is game breaking.
I'd take a MagDK and NB over Sorc in BGs any day. The bursts from NBs is way too OP in NonCP and MagDK can do good damage and survivability is better in BGs than MagSorc.
Dude... You don't have to defend your OP class on the forums, sorcs never get nerfs, you have nothing to worry about. OP4Life
You obviously don't play a MagSorc in BGs do you?
I've played StamBlade, MagDK, StamDK, and MagSorc. MagSorc is my main in most PvP.
In BGs - MagSorc survivability is garbage. In CP campaigns - yes they're OP as hell - but this is about BGs riiiiiiiight?
So yes - NBs and MagDK are awesome in BGs. Great versatility.
Want to steal everyone's kills and melt to most everything because shields are crap in NonCP - then by all means run a MagSorc, but since you don't - then you don't know what you are talking about.
Your burst combo is better than NBs, and it's ranged... You have shields for survivability as well as streak... NBs have a broken (still) cloak that can't be used as a reliable escape. Full medium is squishy AF, just like light and we have to be in melee range while sorcs are miles away.
With 1 shield I get, what, 7k in NonCP- and with two stacked it's a total of maybe 11k. So I get (for 5 seconds max) the same health as a DK. That's it. NB burst is much higher because the passives the burst has as far as debuffing you in the process to follow up attacks which hit harder. My MagSorc does not do 18k in 1 second - I would love to know how your MagSorc can do 18k in 1 second.
With my NB - I can kill someone in BGs before the animation of them being stunned even finishes.
1v1... No you can't, unless they have like 16k health. Everyone is running 21k +...
Yes I can and it's insane with all the procs hitting insanely hard. StamBlade in BGs melts.Emmagoldman wrote: »It's funny, I've been playing bg and I've seen maybe 4 mag sorcs. It's hands down a stam proc meta for bg.
MagSorcs aren't dominating anything in BGs but stealing kills.
Anyone who thinks MagSorc is OP in BGs is insane. Stam > Magic for NonCP.
Delusional much? Yeah the execute isn't the only reason why they're dominating. It's mainly because they can spam hardened ward indefinitely since it once consumes 2k out of their 50k magicka pool.
Once again sorcs are dominating not just BGs, but also PvP.
You're not getting 50K in no-CP...
Necro, destruction mastery, master weapons. Bound aegis, pet up, and inner light front bar.
That's a horrible set up for BGs that offers no regen and isn't really viable.
Why does every sorc try to defend their broken OP class by saying something like this?
If more people wanted to be a no skill fuccboi that thinks they're amazing at pvp because of their massive sorc e-peen.
One doesn't need to play a sorc to know how blatant and ridiculously they are, most of us have been fighting them since day 1.
I think this guy is going to cry IRL.... Show me on the doll where the naughty sorc touched you?
What class do you play that's getting packed so badly by sorcerers? I don't mind giving some advice if you really need it.
@Minalan why don't you grab a mDK and come do a BG with me? We'll be on the same team and you can tell me first hand how it compares to Sorc.
Edited by Kilandros on June 14, 2017 6:11PMInvictus
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Sias - Sorcerer / PrefectZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.
DK IS NOT JUST A TANK CLASS. #PLAYTHEWAYYOUWANT2