Sorc dominating BGs
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✭✭✭Endless fury needs to be deleted or reworked its ridiculous, you Insta die if you hit 20% health and been hit with fury anytime in the previous few seconds.
I've mained a magsorc for aslong as I can remember aswell.
What do you suggest they change it to? Remove their ability to execute completely or change he % it procs at
In would say to remove the 4 second timer on it.
Reducing it to 2 seconds would be a solid. And it wouldn't affect 1v1 scenarios
The order will still be curse -> Wrath -> FragEdited by Strider_Roshin on June 10, 2017 11:26AM0 -
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✭NB proc builds single targeting are the scourge of BGs. Sorcs are the best kill stealers. And magplars and magdks are assist machines. Funny thing though, I typically finish in the top 3 for points earned on magplar with 5 kills 1 death and 18 assists..."Stendarr's mercy be upon you, for the vigil has none to spare."2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Is anyone surprised? ZoS love affair with Sorc continues
I really doubt they knew this would happen in development, an I'm sure will eventually be addressed. Again it has nothing to do with the sorcerer, but rather the scoring system. If damage counted for more than kills, or incentives for non death play, you'd see a greater number of other classes in BGs.
Also the modes are kinda ... Too straight forward, giving incentives for mobility over anything else. Again minor adjustments can accommodate other classes.
This is more like a rough draft, once we get the final version it'll be better I'm sure2 -
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✭✭✭So is this the RP thread where everyone comes to pretend that big bad gangs of mag sorcs rule BGs with an iron fist and roam around quashing the helpless masses?
Am I in the twilight zone where proctato sets have all become magicka? Or does this thread give a whole new meaning to hyperbole?
Magplar is among the strongest builds in deathmatch BG, their strength comes when you stack multiple ones. Jabs spam with Valkyn and purifying light provides dps, built in purge and heals, mist/spell wall for defense - not to mention Eclipse which is unbreakable and shuts down any ranged mag class. Beam becomes superfluous, you'd only have one Templar at most running it in that setup. But to suggest magplar is only good for healbotting makes it impossible to take you seriously.Lieblingsjunge wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Wrath. It steals all kills. A lot of players are learning that sorc is one of the best in BGs because of streak and wrath. Proc MBs are also top dogs, but can't steal kills.
I was desperately trying mTemp, the moment I went to mSorc I actually had fun
Magplar in BGs... :^ Unless it's for full potato healbot-scrub, you ain't getting far in there! In theory it should be "easy" to steal kills with Radiant but... nop. Sorc execute > Beam.
You sound like just about every mediocre sorc I see that ends up being mostly ignored in team fights and dealt with later.Lieblingsjunge wrote: »I went into BGs with my Sorc once. It's got BSW + Moondancer gear(Since i was too lazy to switch) -I just wanted to test the power of Mage's Wrath + RNG Implosion. Racking up kills by tagging everything with an execute... And as soon as I got close to combat.. Streak - Streak - LoS - Streak - Streak. Back to execute spam. :^6 -
br0steen✭✭✭✭FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »
This is me doing nearly everything wrong on my first outing.
https://youtu.be/wtwSDDzKnHY
That was a pretty successful outing. Which was completely disheartening to me. Basically confirmed my worst nightmare. ProcBlade takes no skill what so ever. Just farm the gear, put it on, and let it kill for you. GGWP
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✭✭✭✭✭@Holoyoitsu you have to admit that even though the classes can be very good, the scoring system incentives kills far too much or do you think otherwise?1 -
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✭Joy_Division wrote: »Endless fury needs to be deleted or reworked its ridiculous, you Insta die if you hit 20% health and been hit with fury anytime in the previous few seconds.
I've mained a magsorc for aslong as I can remember aswell.
Hardly anyone thought this ability was strong before BGs came out with it's questionable scoring mechanic. And those that did were mocked.
nah. sorcs sitting in the back of zergs just spamming endless fury and nothing else, was a thing well before BG's. i just think skills that allow that are pretty stupid in general. executes should be more about timed burst after have creating an opening, imo. i'm not down with this undodgeable executes bs.Edited by Lucky28 on June 12, 2017 5:48AMInvictus1 -
DemonDruaga✭✭✭✭The only problem is how the kills get countet.
Sorc execute is ok everywhere else.
It can't be that i fight 1v1, do like 200k dmg on the target and bring it finaly low, just to get the kill stolen from someone just hitting execute or some set proccs.
I am all about dmg done and not "last hit wins"
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✭✭✭✭✭Lieblingsjunge wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Wrath. It steals all kills. A lot of players are learning that sorc is one of the best in BGs because of streak and wrath. Proc MBs are also top dogs, but can't steal kills.
I was desperately trying mTemp, the moment I went to mSorc I actually had fun
Magplar in BGs... :^ Unless it's for full potato healbot-scrub, you ain't getting far in there! In theory it should be "easy" to steal kills with Radiant but... nop. Sorc execute > Beam.
I went into BGs with my Sorc once. It's got BSW + Moondancer gear(Since i was too lazy to switch) -I just wanted to test the power of Mage's Wrath + RNG Implosion. Racking up kills by tagging everything with an execute... And as soon as I got close to combat.. Streak - Streak - LoS - Streak - Streak. Back to execute spam. :^
Feels great doesn't it. Mage's Wrath / Implosion needs a re-work. The strongest execute in the game + another RNg-based execute is silly.
So the execute that nobody complained about before score based on killing blows is the problem - not the scoring system?
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✭✭Change points to be distributed based on damage done (pretty much like AP in Cyro actually).
Boom, done, magicka sorcs balanced again without changing the class. Crazy, isn't it?
Now let's get back to complaining about proc sets / Oblivion enchants / shield stacking and getting Xv1'd again.PC EU - Zahraji of the Void, aka "Kitty", the fluffiest salmon genocider in town.
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Magıc✭✭✭✭✭Lieblingsjunge wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Wrath. It steals all kills. A lot of players are learning that sorc is one of the best in BGs because of streak and wrath. Proc MBs are also top dogs, but can't steal kills.
I was desperately trying mTemp, the moment I went to mSorc I actually had fun
Magplar in BGs... :^ Unless it's for full potato healbot-scrub, you ain't getting far in there! In theory it should be "easy" to steal kills with Radiant but... nop. Sorc execute > Beam.
I went into BGs with my Sorc once. It's got BSW + Moondancer gear(Since i was too lazy to switch) -I just wanted to test the power of Mage's Wrath + RNG Implosion. Racking up kills by tagging everything with an execute... And as soon as I got close to combat.. Streak - Streak - LoS - Streak - Streak. Back to execute spam. :^
Feels great doesn't it. Mage's Wrath / Implosion needs a re-work. The strongest execute in the game + another RNg-based execute is silly.
I'm so disappointed in this *** post Lieb...
e: Btw, you just have to look at how Magplas in NA are doing to see how strong Magplars are in BGs. If you're struggling at all on a Magplar in BGs you're doing something wrong lmao.Edited by Magıc on June 12, 2017 9:51AM3 -
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✭✭✭HoloYoitsu wrote: »So is this the RP thread where everyone comes to pretend that big bad gangs of mag sorcs rule BGs with an iron fist and roam around quashing the helpless masses?
Am I in the twilight zone where proctato sets have all become magicka? Or does this thread give a whole new meaning to hyperbole?
Magplar is among the strongest builds in deathmatch BG, their strength comes when you stack multiple ones. Jabs spam with Valkyn and purifying light provides dps, built in purge and heals, mist/spell wall for defense - not to mention Eclipse which is unbreakable and shuts down any ranged mag class. Beam becomes superfluous, you'd only have one Templar at most running it in that setup. But to suggest magplar is only good for healbotting makes it impossible to take you seriously.Lieblingsjunge wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Wrath. It steals all kills. A lot of players are learning that sorc is one of the best in BGs because of streak and wrath. Proc MBs are also top dogs, but can't steal kills.
I was desperately trying mTemp, the moment I went to mSorc I actually had fun
Magplar in BGs... :^ Unless it's for full potato healbot-scrub, you ain't getting far in there! In theory it should be "easy" to steal kills with Radiant but... nop. Sorc execute > Beam.
You sound like just about every mediocre sorc I see that ends up being mostly ignored in team fights and dealt with later.Lieblingsjunge wrote: »I went into BGs with my Sorc once. It's got BSW + Moondancer gear(Since i was too lazy to switch) -I just wanted to test the power of Mage's Wrath + RNG Implosion. Racking up kills by tagging everything with an execute... And as soon as I got close to combat.. Streak - Streak - LoS - Streak - Streak. Back to execute spam. :^
Didn't you post a video where you just spammed Endless Fury the whole time though? If the point of that video was to show that Endless in overperforming in racking up kills, I apologize. But I took it as just a gameplay video.Invictus
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Sias - Sorcerer / PrefectZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.
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✭✭✭✭✭Lieblingsjunge wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Wrath. It steals all kills. A lot of players are learning that sorc is one of the best in BGs because of streak and wrath. Proc MBs are also top dogs, but can't steal kills.
I was desperately trying mTemp, the moment I went to mSorc I actually had fun
Magplar in BGs... :^ Unless it's for full potato healbot-scrub, you ain't getting far in there! In theory it should be "easy" to steal kills with Radiant but... nop. Sorc execute > Beam.
I went into BGs with my Sorc once. It's got BSW + Moondancer gear(Since i was too lazy to switch) -I just wanted to test the power of Mage's Wrath + RNG Implosion. Racking up kills by tagging everything with an execute... And as soon as I got close to combat.. Streak - Streak - LoS - Streak - Streak. Back to execute spam. :^
Feels great doesn't it. Mage's Wrath / Implosion needs a re-work. The strongest execute in the game + another RNg-based execute is silly.
So the execute that nobody complained about before score based on killing blows is the problem - not the scoring system?
Ok.
Pretty much. ZoS has successfully conditioned its player base such that its first response to a perceived problem is to ask for a nerf.Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.1 -
SorataArisugawa✭✭✭✭✭Joy_Division wrote: »Endless fury needs to be deleted or reworked its ridiculous, you Insta die if you hit 20% health and been hit with fury anytime in the previous few seconds.
I've mained a magsorc for aslong as I can remember aswell.
Hardly anyone thought this ability was strong before BGs came out with it's questionable scoring mechanic. And those that did were mocked.
Endless Fury was the top performing execute months before Morrowind. Did people dispute that?
In which game? "LOWDPS the journey"PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Of course the high-damage, high-defense, high-mobility, high-resource management class is dominating small man pvp. Anyone who expected differently has thier head in the sand.
Except at melee range, where 2H Viper Selene [insert class here] stam builds are king.Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. ~Friedrich Nietzsche5 -
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✭✭✭SorataArisugawa wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »Endless fury needs to be deleted or reworked its ridiculous, you Insta die if you hit 20% health and been hit with fury anytime in the previous few seconds.
I've mained a magsorc for aslong as I can remember aswell.
Hardly anyone thought this ability was strong before BGs came out with it's questionable scoring mechanic. And those that did were mocked.
Endless Fury was the top performing execute months before Morrowind. Did people dispute that?
In which game? "LOWDPS the journey"
The game: "I'm able to stay relatively unbiased because I play all classes and not just sorc"Invictus
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Sias - Sorcerer / PrefectZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.
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✭✭✭✭Of course the high-damage, high-defense, high-mobility, high-resource management class is dominating small man pvp. Anyone who expected differently has thier head in the sand.
Except at melee range, where 2H Viper Selene [insert class here] stam builds are king.
Nerf sorc was so last patch, learn how to *** play already.
Highest damage is any stamina with a poison and a proc set.
Highest mobility is stamina again, a sorc can streak three times before tapping out. Stamina can keep sprinting much farther and longer, plus gap closers.
Highest defense is anyone with heavy armor, sword and board, and block. A sorc triple shield stack costs 10K now FFS, blocking is so much cheaper and effective it's ridiculous.
Sorry crybabies, but we're back in the BG stamina meta. All they need to do is adjust scoring to stop the cheap kill-stealing Sorcs.9 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Looks like people dont see how strong mag DK becamed this patch. Sorc in most cases just stealing the kills but it's mag dk who allows him to do that very often.Edited by Juhasow on June 12, 2017 3:00PM2 -
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✭AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »@Irylia change it to dealing additional damage to low health targets like every other execute in the game. Not instantly vaporizing them because you precast it.
Well at 20% they should die. That's average 4-5k hp of your max and any execute like beam, killers blade, executioner have scaling damage to targets below % hp meaning they would all kill you almost instantly as well. Executioner and killers blade more so than beam because you can ani cancel it.
The strength of fury is that you can pre-cast it.
For all the other examples yougrim_tactics wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »Sorcs are not OP in BGs - that's hilarious. MagSorcs are the easiest ones to kill in BGs.
NBs rule the realm of BGs from a pure damage stand point.
As far as kills - MagSorcs are stealing those all day but they melt super easy. They just hang out in the back. Run over there and smack em - super easy.No reason to go with anything else than sorc in BG.
The gap with other classes is abyssal.
Me uterly sucking at sorc do way better than with my DK that I consider playing not too badly.
And yes the problem is endless fury ... The other advantages sorcs have are acceptable but endless fury in BG environment is game breaking.
I'd take a MagDK and NB over Sorc in BGs any day. The bursts from NBs is way too OP in NonCP and MagDK can do good damage and survivability is better in BGs than MagSorc.
Dude... You don't have to defend your OP class on the forums, sorcs never get nerfs, you have nothing to worry about. OP4Life
You obviously don't play a MagSorc in BGs do you?
I've played StamBlade, MagDK, StamDK, and MagSorc. MagSorc is my main in most PvP.
In BGs - MagSorc survivability is garbage. In CP campaigns - yes they're OP as hell - but this is about BGs riiiiiiiight?
So yes - NBs and MagDK are awesome in BGs. Great versatility.
Want to steal everyone's kills and melt to most everything because shields are crap in NonCP - then by all means run a MagSorc, but since you don't - then you don't know what you are talking about.
Your burst combo is better than NBs, and it's ranged... You have shields for survivability as well as streak... NBs have a broken (still) cloak that can't be used as a reliable escape. Full medium is squishy AF, just like light and we have to be in melee range while sorcs are miles away.
Irylia
Uh what? No it's not
Have to set up curse then try to proc a frag before curse blows toss a frag so they hit simultaneously and if curse blew up before frag proc then you need to cook the frag and replace curse. Toss that frag now with the curse and OH SHUCKS shuffle dodged your frag. Okay well now reset curse get a proc and try again. Shucks he rolled because Stam blade. Set it up again. Drats he cloaked my frag. Okay one more time. Naw shuffle got him. Alright one last time. Sweet our frag and curse connected but only did 10-13k total and tk kicks in.
This entire time we were warding/streaking/cshocking for procs/dark deal for more mag because we run out fast spending
3k per hard ward
4k pet harness or healing
3.3k boundless
3k scaling streak
2.5k curse
1.7k frag
2k shock
And the majority of our resources were burned just to miss on someone who can roll cloak and shuffle rng us.
But wait
That nb comes up to us and heavy incaps
No worries our 7k ward and 15k resistances (back bar defending) will hold against that.
Nope. Viper. Selene if not tk (which would remove the tk line of play yes)
Adds another 7-10k on top of the 4-5k surprise attack and the 6-7k incap stun
Assuming none crit or got past ward to crit.
Now they get a damage increase on us and all their next procs will hit harder and the skills hurt more while we try to spam our 3k cost 7k ward
30-33k average mag in no cp that's 10 wards no regen not counting other skills tossed in. Such as a much needed healing ward that may be removed and need to be replaced. A streak that might need to be scaled since one wasnt enough with the delay front and back.
Even with 38k mag I was getting an 8.3k ward
Necro willpower
It's alright though, we have a better burst combo so let's just kill the nb
Potatoes sure
Half decent player, noEdited by Irylia on June 12, 2017 3:57PM1 -
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✭✭✭AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »@Irylia change it to dealing additional damage to low health targets like every other execute in the game. Not instantly vaporizing them because you precast it.
Well at 20% they should die. That's average 4-5k hp of your max and any execute like beam, killers blade, executioner have scaling damage to targets below % hp meaning they would all kill you almost instantly as well. Executioner and killers blade more so than beam because you can ani cancel it.
The strength of fury is that you can pre-cast it.
For all the other examples yougrim_tactics wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »Sorcs are not OP in BGs - that's hilarious. MagSorcs are the easiest ones to kill in BGs.
NBs rule the realm of BGs from a pure damage stand point.
As far as kills - MagSorcs are stealing those all day but they melt super easy. They just hang out in the back. Run over there and smack em - super easy.No reason to go with anything else than sorc in BG.
The gap with other classes is abyssal.
Me uterly sucking at sorc do way better than with my DK that I consider playing not too badly.
And yes the problem is endless fury ... The other advantages sorcs have are acceptable but endless fury in BG environment is game breaking.
I'd take a MagDK and NB over Sorc in BGs any day. The bursts from NBs is way too OP in NonCP and MagDK can do good damage and survivability is better in BGs than MagSorc.
Dude... You don't have to defend your OP class on the forums, sorcs never get nerfs, you have nothing to worry about. OP4Life
You obviously don't play a MagSorc in BGs do you?
I've played StamBlade, MagDK, StamDK, and MagSorc. MagSorc is my main in most PvP.
In BGs - MagSorc survivability is garbage. In CP campaigns - yes they're OP as hell - but this is about BGs riiiiiiiight?
So yes - NBs and MagDK are awesome in BGs. Great versatility.
Want to steal everyone's kills and melt to most everything because shields are crap in NonCP - then by all means run a MagSorc, but since you don't - then you don't know what you are talking about.
Your burst combo is better than NBs, and it's ranged... You have shields for survivability as well as streak... NBs have a broken (still) cloak that can't be used as a reliable escape. Full medium is squishy AF, just like light and we have to be in melee range while sorcs are miles away.
Irylia
Uh what? No it's not
Have to set up curse then try to proc a frag before curse blows toss a frag so they hit simultaneously and if curse blew up before frag proc then you need to cook the frag and replace curse. Toss that frag now with the curse and OH SHUCKS shuffle dodged your frag. Okay well now reset curse get a proc and try again. Shucks he rolled because Stam blade. Set it up again. Drats he cloaked my frag. Okay one more time. Naw shuffle got him. Alright one last time. Sweet our frag and curse connected but only did 10-13k total and tk kicks in.
This entire time we were warding/streaking/cshocking for procs/dark deal for more mag because we run out fast spending
3k per hard ward
4k pet harness or healing
3.3k boundless
3k scaling streak
2.5k curse
1.7k frag
2k shock
And the majority of our resources were burned just to miss on someone who can roll cloak and shuffle rng us.
But wait
That nb comes up to us and heavy incaps
No worries our 7k ward and 15k resistances (back bar defending) will hold against that.
Nope. Viper. Selene if not tk (which would remove the tk line of play yes)
Adds another 7-10k on top of the 4-5k surprise attack and the 6-7k incap stun
Assuming none crit or got past ward to crit.
Now they get a damage increase on us and all their next procs will hit harder and the skills hurt more while we try to spam our 3k cost 7k ward
30-33k average mag in no cp that's 10 wards no regen not counting other skills tossed in. Such as a much needed healing ward that may be removed and need to be replaced. A streak that might need to be scaled since one wasnt enough with the delay front and back.
Even with 38k mag I was getting an 8.3k ward
Necro willpower
It's alright though, we have a better burst combo so let's just kill the nb
Potatoes sure
Half decent player, no
You should try mDK in BGs. I spent yesterday on my MagSorc and lol dude, don't even act like Sorc has anything but advantages over every other class.Invictus
Kilandros - Dragonknight / Grand Overlord
Deimos - Templar / Grand Warlord
Sias - Sorcerer / PrefectZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.
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grim_tactics✭✭✭✭✭Sorcs are dominant at range, but there's several classes I'd take over it in close quarters.
Agree 100%.
I'm going to work on my NonCP Sorc this weekend as I feel I'm only useful with a coordinated team. Frogrim_tactics wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »Sorcs are not OP in BGs - that's hilarious. MagSorcs are the easiest ones to kill in BGs.
NBs rule the realm of BGs from a pure damage stand point.
As far as kills - MagSorcs are stealing those all day but they melt super easy. They just hang out in the back. Run over there and smack em - super easy.No reason to go with anything else than sorc in BG.
The gap with other classes is abyssal.
Me uterly sucking at sorc do way better than with my DK that I consider playing not too badly.
And yes the problem is endless fury ... The other advantages sorcs have are acceptable but endless fury in BG environment is game breaking.
I'd take a MagDK and NB over Sorc in BGs any day. The bursts from NBs is way too OP in NonCP and MagDK can do good damage and survivability is better in BGs than MagSorc.
Dude... You don't have to defend your OP class on the forums, sorcs never get nerfs, you have nothing to worry about. OP4Life
You obviously don't play a MagSorc in BGs do you?
I've played StamBlade, MagDK, StamDK, and MagSorc. MagSorc is my main in most PvP.
In BGs - MagSorc survivability is garbage. In CP campaigns - yes they're OP as hell - but this is about BGs riiiiiiiight?
So yes - NBs and MagDK are awesome in BGs. Great versatility.
Want to steal everyone's kills and melt to most everything because shields are crap in NonCP - then by all means run a MagSorc, but since you don't - then you don't know what you are talking about.
Your burst combo is better than NBs, and it's ranged... You have shields for survivability as well as streak... NBs have a broken (still) cloak that can't be used as a reliable escape. Full medium is squishy AF, just like light and we have to be in melee range while sorcs are miles away.
With 1 shield I get, what, 7k in NonCP- and with two stacked it's a total of maybe 11k. So I get (for 5 seconds max) the same health as a DK. That's it. NB burst is much higher because the passives the burst has as far as debuffing you in the process to follow up attacks which hit harder. My MagSorc does not do 18k in 1 second - I would love to know how your MagSorc can do 18k in 1 second.
With my NB - I can kill someone in BGs before the animation of them being stunned even finishes.
1v1... No you can't, unless they have like 16k health. Everyone is running 21k +...
Yes I can and it's insane with all the procs hitting insanely hard. StamBlade in BGs melts.Emmagoldman wrote: »It's funny, I've been playing bg and I've seen maybe 4 mag sorcs. It's hands down a stam proc meta for bg.
MagSorcs aren't dominating anything in BGs but stealing kills.
Anyone who thinks MagSorc is OP in BGs is insane. Stam > Magic for NonCP.1 -
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✭✭Simple solution IMHO, execute don't count as kill unless you did extra dmg with other skills before the execute. Sorcs can still use the execute to kill, but the score will go to the previous user who dmg before the execute. That includes DoTsSarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
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✭✭✭grim_tactics wrote: »Sorcs are dominant at range, but there's several classes I'd take over it in close quarters.
Agree 100%.
I'm going to work on my NonCP Sorc this weekend as I feel I'm only useful with a coordinated team. Frogrim_tactics wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »Sorcs are not OP in BGs - that's hilarious. MagSorcs are the easiest ones to kill in BGs.
NBs rule the realm of BGs from a pure damage stand point.
As far as kills - MagSorcs are stealing those all day but they melt super easy. They just hang out in the back. Run over there and smack em - super easy.No reason to go with anything else than sorc in BG.
The gap with other classes is abyssal.
Me uterly sucking at sorc do way better than with my DK that I consider playing not too badly.
And yes the problem is endless fury ... The other advantages sorcs have are acceptable but endless fury in BG environment is game breaking.
I'd take a MagDK and NB over Sorc in BGs any day. The bursts from NBs is way too OP in NonCP and MagDK can do good damage and survivability is better in BGs than MagSorc.
Dude... You don't have to defend your OP class on the forums, sorcs never get nerfs, you have nothing to worry about. OP4Life
You obviously don't play a MagSorc in BGs do you?
I've played StamBlade, MagDK, StamDK, and MagSorc. MagSorc is my main in most PvP.
In BGs - MagSorc survivability is garbage. In CP campaigns - yes they're OP as hell - but this is about BGs riiiiiiiight?
So yes - NBs and MagDK are awesome in BGs. Great versatility.
Want to steal everyone's kills and melt to most everything because shields are crap in NonCP - then by all means run a MagSorc, but since you don't - then you don't know what you are talking about.
Your burst combo is better than NBs, and it's ranged... You have shields for survivability as well as streak... NBs have a broken (still) cloak that can't be used as a reliable escape. Full medium is squishy AF, just like light and we have to be in melee range while sorcs are miles away.
With 1 shield I get, what, 7k in NonCP- and with two stacked it's a total of maybe 11k. So I get (for 5 seconds max) the same health as a DK. That's it. NB burst is much higher because the passives the burst has as far as debuffing you in the process to follow up attacks which hit harder. My MagSorc does not do 18k in 1 second - I would love to know how your MagSorc can do 18k in 1 second.
With my NB - I can kill someone in BGs before the animation of them being stunned even finishes.
1v1... No you can't, unless they have like 16k health. Everyone is running 21k +...
Yes I can and it's insane with all the procs hitting insanely hard. StamBlade in BGs melts.Emmagoldman wrote: »It's funny, I've been playing bg and I've seen maybe 4 mag sorcs. It's hands down a stam proc meta for bg.
MagSorcs aren't dominating anything in BGs but stealing kills.
Anyone who thinks MagSorc is OP in BGs is insane. Stam > Magic for NonCP.
Delusional much? Yeah the execute isn't the only reason why they're dominating. It's mainly because they can spam hardened ward indefinitely since it once consumes 2k out of their 50k magicka pool.
Once again sorcs are dominating not just BGs, but also PvP.2 -
Gothren✭✭✭✭✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »Sorcs are dominant at range, but there's several classes I'd take over it in close quarters.
Agree 100%.
I'm going to work on my NonCP Sorc this weekend as I feel I'm only useful with a coordinated team. Frogrim_tactics wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »Sorcs are not OP in BGs - that's hilarious. MagSorcs are the easiest ones to kill in BGs.
NBs rule the realm of BGs from a pure damage stand point.
As far as kills - MagSorcs are stealing those all day but they melt super easy. They just hang out in the back. Run over there and smack em - super easy.No reason to go with anything else than sorc in BG.
The gap with other classes is abyssal.
Me uterly sucking at sorc do way better than with my DK that I consider playing not too badly.
And yes the problem is endless fury ... The other advantages sorcs have are acceptable but endless fury in BG environment is game breaking.
I'd take a MagDK and NB over Sorc in BGs any day. The bursts from NBs is way too OP in NonCP and MagDK can do good damage and survivability is better in BGs than MagSorc.
Dude... You don't have to defend your OP class on the forums, sorcs never get nerfs, you have nothing to worry about. OP4Life
You obviously don't play a MagSorc in BGs do you?
I've played StamBlade, MagDK, StamDK, and MagSorc. MagSorc is my main in most PvP.
In BGs - MagSorc survivability is garbage. In CP campaigns - yes they're OP as hell - but this is about BGs riiiiiiiight?
So yes - NBs and MagDK are awesome in BGs. Great versatility.
Want to steal everyone's kills and melt to most everything because shields are crap in NonCP - then by all means run a MagSorc, but since you don't - then you don't know what you are talking about.
Your burst combo is better than NBs, and it's ranged... You have shields for survivability as well as streak... NBs have a broken (still) cloak that can't be used as a reliable escape. Full medium is squishy AF, just like light and we have to be in melee range while sorcs are miles away.
With 1 shield I get, what, 7k in NonCP- and with two stacked it's a total of maybe 11k. So I get (for 5 seconds max) the same health as a DK. That's it. NB burst is much higher because the passives the burst has as far as debuffing you in the process to follow up attacks which hit harder. My MagSorc does not do 18k in 1 second - I would love to know how your MagSorc can do 18k in 1 second.
With my NB - I can kill someone in BGs before the animation of them being stunned even finishes.
1v1... No you can't, unless they have like 16k health. Everyone is running 21k +...
Yes I can and it's insane with all the procs hitting insanely hard. StamBlade in BGs melts.Emmagoldman wrote: »It's funny, I've been playing bg and I've seen maybe 4 mag sorcs. It's hands down a stam proc meta for bg.
MagSorcs aren't dominating anything in BGs but stealing kills.
Anyone who thinks MagSorc is OP in BGs is insane. Stam > Magic for NonCP.
Delusional much? Yeah the execute isn't the only reason why they're dominating. It's mainly because they can spam hardened ward indefinitely since it once consumes 2k out of their 50k magicka pool.
Once again sorcs are dominating not just BGs, but also PvP.
with 50k magicka I assure you then your damage is not high enough. 50k magicka is a good amount for shield defense. However, it can still be penetrated with the right setup, gear, roation, timing and using unstoppable potions. As a sorc I can assure you that one second of shield going down is pretty much game over for a sorc.1 -
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✭✭✭✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »Sorcs are dominant at range, but there's several classes I'd take over it in close quarters.
Agree 100%.
I'm going to work on my NonCP Sorc this weekend as I feel I'm only useful with a coordinated team. Frogrim_tactics wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »Sorcs are not OP in BGs - that's hilarious. MagSorcs are the easiest ones to kill in BGs.
NBs rule the realm of BGs from a pure damage stand point.
As far as kills - MagSorcs are stealing those all day but they melt super easy. They just hang out in the back. Run over there and smack em - super easy.No reason to go with anything else than sorc in BG.
The gap with other classes is abyssal.
Me uterly sucking at sorc do way better than with my DK that I consider playing not too badly.
And yes the problem is endless fury ... The other advantages sorcs have are acceptable but endless fury in BG environment is game breaking.
I'd take a MagDK and NB over Sorc in BGs any day. The bursts from NBs is way too OP in NonCP and MagDK can do good damage and survivability is better in BGs than MagSorc.
Dude... You don't have to defend your OP class on the forums, sorcs never get nerfs, you have nothing to worry about. OP4Life
You obviously don't play a MagSorc in BGs do you?
I've played StamBlade, MagDK, StamDK, and MagSorc. MagSorc is my main in most PvP.
In BGs - MagSorc survivability is garbage. In CP campaigns - yes they're OP as hell - but this is about BGs riiiiiiiight?
So yes - NBs and MagDK are awesome in BGs. Great versatility.
Want to steal everyone's kills and melt to most everything because shields are crap in NonCP - then by all means run a MagSorc, but since you don't - then you don't know what you are talking about.
Your burst combo is better than NBs, and it's ranged... You have shields for survivability as well as streak... NBs have a broken (still) cloak that can't be used as a reliable escape. Full medium is squishy AF, just like light and we have to be in melee range while sorcs are miles away.
With 1 shield I get, what, 7k in NonCP- and with two stacked it's a total of maybe 11k. So I get (for 5 seconds max) the same health as a DK. That's it. NB burst is much higher because the passives the burst has as far as debuffing you in the process to follow up attacks which hit harder. My MagSorc does not do 18k in 1 second - I would love to know how your MagSorc can do 18k in 1 second.
With my NB - I can kill someone in BGs before the animation of them being stunned even finishes.
1v1... No you can't, unless they have like 16k health. Everyone is running 21k +...
Yes I can and it's insane with all the procs hitting insanely hard. StamBlade in BGs melts.Emmagoldman wrote: »It's funny, I've been playing bg and I've seen maybe 4 mag sorcs. It's hands down a stam proc meta for bg.
MagSorcs aren't dominating anything in BGs but stealing kills.
Anyone who thinks MagSorc is OP in BGs is insane. Stam > Magic for NonCP.
Delusional much? Yeah the execute isn't the only reason why they're dominating. It's mainly because they can spam hardened ward indefinitely since it once consumes 2k out of their 50k magicka pool.
Once again sorcs are dominating not just BGs, but also PvP.
You're not getting 50K in no-CP...1 -
Strider_Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »Sorcs are dominant at range, but there's several classes I'd take over it in close quarters.
Agree 100%.
I'm going to work on my NonCP Sorc this weekend as I feel I'm only useful with a coordinated team. Frogrim_tactics wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »Sorcs are not OP in BGs - that's hilarious. MagSorcs are the easiest ones to kill in BGs.
NBs rule the realm of BGs from a pure damage stand point.
As far as kills - MagSorcs are stealing those all day but they melt super easy. They just hang out in the back. Run over there and smack em - super easy.No reason to go with anything else than sorc in BG.
The gap with other classes is abyssal.
Me uterly sucking at sorc do way better than with my DK that I consider playing not too badly.
And yes the problem is endless fury ... The other advantages sorcs have are acceptable but endless fury in BG environment is game breaking.
I'd take a MagDK and NB over Sorc in BGs any day. The bursts from NBs is way too OP in NonCP and MagDK can do good damage and survivability is better in BGs than MagSorc.
Dude... You don't have to defend your OP class on the forums, sorcs never get nerfs, you have nothing to worry about. OP4Life
You obviously don't play a MagSorc in BGs do you?
I've played StamBlade, MagDK, StamDK, and MagSorc. MagSorc is my main in most PvP.
In BGs - MagSorc survivability is garbage. In CP campaigns - yes they're OP as hell - but this is about BGs riiiiiiiight?
So yes - NBs and MagDK are awesome in BGs. Great versatility.
Want to steal everyone's kills and melt to most everything because shields are crap in NonCP - then by all means run a MagSorc, but since you don't - then you don't know what you are talking about.
Your burst combo is better than NBs, and it's ranged... You have shields for survivability as well as streak... NBs have a broken (still) cloak that can't be used as a reliable escape. Full medium is squishy AF, just like light and we have to be in melee range while sorcs are miles away.
With 1 shield I get, what, 7k in NonCP- and with two stacked it's a total of maybe 11k. So I get (for 5 seconds max) the same health as a DK. That's it. NB burst is much higher because the passives the burst has as far as debuffing you in the process to follow up attacks which hit harder. My MagSorc does not do 18k in 1 second - I would love to know how your MagSorc can do 18k in 1 second.
With my NB - I can kill someone in BGs before the animation of them being stunned even finishes.
1v1... No you can't, unless they have like 16k health. Everyone is running 21k +...
Yes I can and it's insane with all the procs hitting insanely hard. StamBlade in BGs melts.Emmagoldman wrote: »It's funny, I've been playing bg and I've seen maybe 4 mag sorcs. It's hands down a stam proc meta for bg.
MagSorcs aren't dominating anything in BGs but stealing kills.
Anyone who thinks MagSorc is OP in BGs is insane. Stam > Magic for NonCP.
Delusional much? Yeah the execute isn't the only reason why they're dominating. It's mainly because they can spam hardened ward indefinitely since it once consumes 2k out of their 50k magicka pool.
Once again sorcs are dominating not just BGs, but also PvP.
You're not getting 50K in no-CP...
Necro, destruction mastery, master weapons. Bound aegis, pet up, and inner light front bar.
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Derra✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »Sorcs are dominant at range, but there's several classes I'd take over it in close quarters.
Agree 100%.
I'm going to work on my NonCP Sorc this weekend as I feel I'm only useful with a coordinated team. Frogrim_tactics wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »Sorcs are not OP in BGs - that's hilarious. MagSorcs are the easiest ones to kill in BGs.
NBs rule the realm of BGs from a pure damage stand point.
As far as kills - MagSorcs are stealing those all day but they melt super easy. They just hang out in the back. Run over there and smack em - super easy.No reason to go with anything else than sorc in BG.
The gap with other classes is abyssal.
Me uterly sucking at sorc do way better than with my DK that I consider playing not too badly.
And yes the problem is endless fury ... The other advantages sorcs have are acceptable but endless fury in BG environment is game breaking.
I'd take a MagDK and NB over Sorc in BGs any day. The bursts from NBs is way too OP in NonCP and MagDK can do good damage and survivability is better in BGs than MagSorc.
Dude... You don't have to defend your OP class on the forums, sorcs never get nerfs, you have nothing to worry about. OP4Life
You obviously don't play a MagSorc in BGs do you?
I've played StamBlade, MagDK, StamDK, and MagSorc. MagSorc is my main in most PvP.
In BGs - MagSorc survivability is garbage. In CP campaigns - yes they're OP as hell - but this is about BGs riiiiiiiight?
So yes - NBs and MagDK are awesome in BGs. Great versatility.
Want to steal everyone's kills and melt to most everything because shields are crap in NonCP - then by all means run a MagSorc, but since you don't - then you don't know what you are talking about.
Your burst combo is better than NBs, and it's ranged... You have shields for survivability as well as streak... NBs have a broken (still) cloak that can't be used as a reliable escape. Full medium is squishy AF, just like light and we have to be in melee range while sorcs are miles away.
With 1 shield I get, what, 7k in NonCP- and with two stacked it's a total of maybe 11k. So I get (for 5 seconds max) the same health as a DK. That's it. NB burst is much higher because the passives the burst has as far as debuffing you in the process to follow up attacks which hit harder. My MagSorc does not do 18k in 1 second - I would love to know how your MagSorc can do 18k in 1 second.
With my NB - I can kill someone in BGs before the animation of them being stunned even finishes.
1v1... No you can't, unless they have like 16k health. Everyone is running 21k +...
Yes I can and it's insane with all the procs hitting insanely hard. StamBlade in BGs melts.Emmagoldman wrote: »It's funny, I've been playing bg and I've seen maybe 4 mag sorcs. It's hands down a stam proc meta for bg.
MagSorcs aren't dominating anything in BGs but stealing kills.
Anyone who thinks MagSorc is OP in BGs is insane. Stam > Magic for NonCP.
Delusional much? Yeah the execute isn't the only reason why they're dominating. It's mainly because they can spam hardened ward indefinitely since it once consumes 2k out of their 50k magicka pool.
Once again sorcs are dominating not just BGs, but also PvP.
You're not getting 50K in no-CP...
Necro, destruction mastery, master weapons. Bound aegis, pet up, and inner light front bar.
Wow you created a setup with no regeneration at all aswell as 3 toggles on frontbar two on backbar.
Along with that hardened ward costs about 60% more than what you claim it would.<Noricum>
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