Sorc dominating BGs
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Wow you created a setup with no regeneration at all aswell as 3 toggles on frontbar two on backbar.
Along with that hardened ward costs about 60% more than what you claim it would.
It costs 2k and change. I would tell you the exact value, but I'm not online. It should cost as much as harness magicka in order for it to be balanced. But instead it is much cheaper.1 -
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Necro, destruction mastery, master weapons. Bound aegis, pet up, and inner light front bar.
First off, that build is garbage. No regen, no spell damage, no crit, no bar space. Nothing. But even then you won't hit 50K.
Plus the ward costs far more than 2k.Edited by Chilly-McFreeze on June 13, 2017 11:41AM2 -
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✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »
It costs 2k and change. I would tell you the exact value, but I'm not online. It should cost as much as harness magicka in order for it to be balanced. But instead it is much cheaper.
Base cost of Hardened Ward is 3510. Base cost for Harness is 4590.PC - EU
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Base cost of Hardened Ward is 3510. Base cost for Harness is 4590.
Lol yes that's what it'll cost if you were a stamina user casting it without a single piece of light armor equipped. But if you wear light armor it's much cheaper. Those numbers will only deceive readers that don't have a magsorc, but for those that do have one know both of those shields are much cheaper.
The cost for Harness is perfectly fine, but Hardened is not only cheaper, but stronger as well. This is not balanced.Edited by Strider_Roshin on June 13, 2017 12:15PM4 -
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✭✭✭✭Hardened gives the bigger shield, Harness returns magicka. What's the problem with that?0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »
It costs 2k and change. I would tell you the exact value, but I'm not online. It should cost as much as harness magicka in order for it to be balanced. But instead it is much cheaper.
2844 on a 7 light build (not many run 7 light).Edited by Derra on June 13, 2017 12:56PM<Noricum>
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✭✭✭✭✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »
Lol yes that's what it'll cost if you were a stamina user casting it without a single piece of light armor equipped. But if you wear light armor it's much cheaper. Those numbers will only deceive readers that don't have a magsorc, but for those that do have one know both of those shields are much cheaper.
The cost for Harness is perfectly fine, but Hardened is not only cheaper, but stronger as well. This is not balanced.
Maybe that´s because harness costs 0 magica but instead returns ~ 2000 magica against magica players on the build you´ve mentioned?
Lets be fair eh?<Noricum>
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I'm glad you had a team to carry you.
If advantage meaning I can steal kills, then yea, I'm op.Edited by Irylia on June 13, 2017 1:54PM0 -
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✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »
It costs 2k and change. I would tell you the exact value, but I'm not online. It should cost as much as harness magicka in order for it to be balanced. But instead it is much cheaper.
Mine costs 3k
Healing and harness cost 3.9k
Harness is a 5k ward that won't mitigate more than one magicka ability meaning you won't receive 3 sep sources of mag return. And Stam also removes that without refunding mag.
Hard ward is 7.3k with 31k
Even with 38k mag no cp it was only 8.5k
So that's cool. At 50k mag I'll have a 10.4 k ward when I can get that in cp with 37k back bar.
A sorcs only mitigation requires a large amount of resource investment for not much mitigation.
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grim_tactics✭✭✭✭✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »
Delusional much? Yeah the execute isn't the only reason why they're dominating. It's mainly because they can spam hardened ward indefinitely since it once consumes 2k out of their 50k magicka pool.
Once again sorcs are dominating not just BGs, but also PvP.
Look, I don't make YouTube videos and I don't stream, so therefore everyone just assumes I don't know what I'm talking about - and honestly I don't care. Trust me though that I stand behind my statements 100% as a day 1 MagSorc.
You even have one of the best, if not the best, MagSorcs in the game essentially saying the same thing.
Like I said before, you obviously don't play a MagSorc so please go make one and jump into BGs and tell me how often you can spam your shields and also try and do some offense without running out of Mag.
Bursts? Read above about how our so called "highest burst damage" actually works. Not even close to highest burst damage.Strider_Roshin wrote: »
Necro, destruction mastery, master weapons. Bound aegis, pet up, and inner light front bar.
That's a horrible set up for BGs that offers no regen and isn't really viable.Edited by grim_tactics on June 13, 2017 2:57PM0 -
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✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »Necro, destruction mastery, master weapons. Bound aegis, pet up, and inner light front bar.
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im stuck in a BG queue
but actually more like 
ZOS plox fix. I want to play bgs.<Noricum>
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Weird vitriol. Are you like this with everybody? I've never fought nor spoken to you AFAIK so the personal attacks are kind of unnecessary.
Getting back on track, and this is a serious question, but do you think Sorcs are underperforming in BGs? I just want to get an idea of where you're coming from here.Invictus
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Sias - Sorcerer / PrefectZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.
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Witar✭✭✭✭✭Sorcs don't realy dominate bgs. Proctatos do. Dks for example. Don't like sorcs - slot knight slayer\shieldbreaker coupled with oblivion enchant. There. Done. You're incredible and super annoying to magsorcs. They will literally hate you. Stamina pretty much same on any class. Don't think that stamsorcs gets it easier then any other.Edited by Witar on June 14, 2017 4:53AMIt cannot be seen, cannot be felt,
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Your burst combo is better than NBs, and it's ranged... You have shields for survivability as well as streak... NBs have a broken (still) cloak that can't be used as a reliable escape. Full medium is squishy AF, just like light and we have to be in melee range while sorcs are miles away.
And if you get in melee range of the sorc, implosion will do the rest... yey for double executes on 1 class.
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✭✭✭✭I'm quite enjoying this thread.Minalan owes me a beer.
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✭I have no problem killing people or sustaining on my sorc.In BG most stambuilds are in medium armor and melt if I can land a curse and frag.Magdk are a bit tougher but if their another sorc with me we just stack curse on them and they melt.Mages fury instant kill to any build when 20% I rack up kills.1 -
Draekony✭✭I took my cyro sorc into BG to have some fun, sure I blew up some people, but was some smart tank DK that just reflected most of it. Plus the potato proc'ers, nothing to see there, I'll stick to my magblade for BGs.0
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✭✭✭I took my cyro sorc into BG to have some fun, sure I blew up some people, but was some smart tank DK that just reflected most of it. Plus the potato proc'ers, nothing to see there, I'll stick to my magblade for BGs.
I'm just curious, but what did this DK reflect?
1: Crushing Shock? Not reflectable.
2: Endless Fury? Not reflectable.
3: Haunting Curse? Not reflectable.
4: Crystal Frag? Reflectable.
So, just to be clear, when you say this DK tank "just reflected most of it" you are, in fact, referring only to Crystal Fragments?Invictus
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Sias - Sorcerer / PrefectZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.
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I'm just curious, but what did this DK reflect?
1: Crushing Shock? Not reflectable.
2: Endless Fury? Not reflectable.
3: Haunting Curse? Not reflectable.
4: Crystal Frag? Reflectable.
So, just to be clear, when you say this DK tank "just reflected most of it" you are, in fact, referring only to Crystal Fragments?
To be fair.. There are players that reflect most of my DMG. I usually DW, so no CS. Endless fury tickles unless you can get them to execute range. Frags is the biggest hitter by far, and often empowered, but often reflected. Leaving curse every 3.5 seconds, which will get no-one to execute range on its own.
Reflect is a VERY hard counter to DW sorcs.Minalan owes me a beer.
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Stop it thelon. Doesn't your sorc have 14 slots? You know, to fit those 10 set piece items, a monster set, and a pair of master weapons.
I'm just curious, but what did this DK reflect?
1: Crushing Shock? Not reflectable.
2: Endless Fury? Not reflectable.
3: Haunting Curse? Not reflectable.
4: Crystal Frag? Reflectable.
So, just to be clear, when you say this DK tank "just reflected most of it" you are, in fact, referring only to Crystal Fragments?
To be fair, frags is more than half of a sorc's burst damage. That qualifies as 'most'. God help you if you try to use overlol. You'll kill yourself in two shots.
I remember doing that as a brand new sorc, my first time in Cyrodiil. Edited by Minalan on June 14, 2017 5:54PM1 -
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Look, I don't make YouTube videos and I don't stream, so therefore everyone just assumes I don't know what I'm talking about - and honestly I don't care. Trust me though that I stand behind my statements 100% as a day 1 MagSorc.
You even have one of the best, if not the best, MagSorcs in the game essentially saying the same thing.
Like I said before, you obviously don't play a MagSorc so please go make one and jump into BGs and tell me how often you can spam your shields and also try and do some offense without running out of Mag.
Bursts? Read above about how our so called "highest burst damage" actually works. Not even close to highest burst damage.
That's a horrible set up for BGs that offers no regen and isn't really viable.
Why does every sorc try to defend their broken OP class by saying something like this?
If more people wanted to be a no skill fuccboi that thinks they're amazing at pvp because of their massive sorc e-peen, I'm sure there would be more streaking around.
One doesn't need to play a sorc to know how blatant and ridiculously overpowered they are, most of us have been fighting them and putting up with the BS since day 1.Edited by Akinos on June 14, 2017 6:00PMPC NA | @AkinosPvP 1vX/Small Scaler, Raid Leader, Youtuber and Twitch.tv Streamer.MAGICKA MELEE IS LIFE!Magplar, MagDK, Magden, Magblade, Magsorc & Magcro PvP/Build videos & moretwitch.tv/akinospvp1 -
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Stop it thelon. Doesn't your sorc have 14 slots? You know, to fit those 10 set piece items, a monster set, and a pair of master weapons.
To be fair, frags is more than half of a sorc's burst damage. That qualifies as 'most'. God help you if you try to use overlol. You'll kill yourself in two shots.
I remember doing that as a brand new sorc, my first time in Cyrodiil.
To be fair, it's exaggerations like "DKs just reflect most of my damage!" that I find particularly annoying given that 1) it's only 1 skill that is actually reflectable; and 2) most mDKs have dropped reflect entirely due to the repeated nerfs to the skill, high skill cost, and continued revisions by ZOS making formerly reflectable abilities unreflectable.
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Why does every sorc try to defend their broken OP class by saying something like this?
If more people wanted to be a no skill fuccboi that thinks they're amazing at pvp because of their massive sorc e-peen.
One doesn't need to play a sorc to know how blatant and ridiculously they are, most of us have been fighting them since day 1.
I think this guy is going to cry IRL....
Show me on the doll where the naughty sorc touched you?
What class do you play that's getting packed so badly by sorcerers? I don't mind giving some advice if you really need it.0 -
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I think this guy is going to cry IRL.... Show me on the doll where the naughty sorc touched you?
What class do you play that's getting packed so badly by sorcerers? I don't mind giving some advice if you really need it.
@Minalan why don't you grab a mDK and come do a BG with me? We'll be on the same team and you can tell me first hand how it compares to Sorc.
Edited by Kilandros on June 14, 2017 6:11PMInvictus
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Sias - Sorcerer / PrefectZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.
DK IS NOT JUST A TANK CLASS. #PLAYTHEWAYYOUWANT2
