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Sorc dominating BGs
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What are you talking about DK and templars been nerfed almost 3 times as many times as Sorc.Sorc have been getting off easy for a while now.
Sorcs are easily the most nerfed class, when there's really no reason for it.grim_tactics wrote: »Sorcs are not OP in BGs - that's hilarious. MagSorcs are the easiest ones to kill in BGs.
NBs rule the realm of BGs from a pure damage stand point.
As far as kills - MagSorcs are stealing those all day but they melt super easy. They just hang out in the back. Run over there and smack em - super easy.No reason to go with anything else than sorc in BG.
The gap with other classes is abyssal.
Me uterly sucking at sorc do way better than with my DK that I consider playing not too badly.
And yes the problem is endless fury ... The other advantages sorcs have are acceptable but endless fury in BG environment is game breaking.
I'd take a MagDK and NB over Sorc in BGs any day. The bursts from NBs is way too OP in NonCP and MagDK can do good damage and survivability is better in BGs than MagSorc.
Dude... You don't have to defend your OP class on the forums, sorcs never get nerfs, you have nothing to worry about. OP4Life
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Sorcs are easily the most nerfed class, when there's really no reason for it.grim_tactics wrote: »Sorcs are not OP in BGs - that's hilarious. MagSorcs are the easiest ones to kill in BGs.
NBs rule the realm of BGs from a pure damage stand point.
As far as kills - MagSorcs are stealing those all day but they melt super easy. They just hang out in the back. Run over there and smack em - super easy.No reason to go with anything else than sorc in BG.
The gap with other classes is abyssal.
Me uterly sucking at sorc do way better than with my DK that I consider playing not too badly.
And yes the problem is endless fury ... The other advantages sorcs have are acceptable but endless fury in BG environment is game breaking.
I'd take a MagDK and NB over Sorc in BGs any day. The bursts from NBs is way too OP in NonCP and MagDK can do good damage and survivability is better in BGs than MagSorc.
Dude... You don't have to defend your OP class on the forums, sorcs never get nerfs, you have nothing to worry about. OP4Life
You've clearly never played DKInvictus
Kilandros - Dragonknight / Grand Overlord
Deimos - Templar / Grand Warlord
Sias - Sorcerer / PrefectZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.
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Why would you be in close ?????? your a sorc the most mobile toon on the field (kite for the win)
Because not everyone hides inside of a zerg? Because gap closers exist? If you are outnumbered you will be focused and you will be swarmed. You cannot always maintain distance, and when the fight does come into close quarters sorc is outclassed by other builds.
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Sorcs are easily the most nerfed class, when there's really no reason for it.grim_tactics wrote: »Sorcs are not OP in BGs - that's hilarious. MagSorcs are the easiest ones to kill in BGs.
NBs rule the realm of BGs from a pure damage stand point.
As far as kills - MagSorcs are stealing those all day but they melt super easy. They just hang out in the back. Run over there and smack em - super easy.No reason to go with anything else than sorc in BG.
The gap with other classes is abyssal.
Me uterly sucking at sorc do way better than with my DK that I consider playing not too badly.
And yes the problem is endless fury ... The other advantages sorcs have are acceptable but endless fury in BG environment is game breaking.
I'd take a MagDK and NB over Sorc in BGs any day. The bursts from NBs is way too OP in NonCP and MagDK can do good damage and survivability is better in BGs than MagSorc.
Dude... You don't have to defend your OP class on the forums, sorcs never get nerfs, you have nothing to worry about. OP4Life
You've clearly never played DK
Definitely agree that DKs have been nerfed a lot as well. But when the game launched and for about a year after, DKs were just on a different level from the other classes. On a scale of 1 to 10, they were a 15. Now they're a 10. So I think those nerfs were needed
I'm currently leveling a Stam DK that will be my main for PvP. From what I can tell, Stam DK and Mag DK are both extremely powerful in PvP. In PvE, DKs are the best tanks and mDKs are the best DPS.
mSorc's are fun to play in concept. They have high damage, but they're squishy. It's a high skill cap class, because you need to use intelligent play and mobility to stay alive. Unfortunately, the repeated Bolt Escape nerfs made the mobility style pretty much impossible. Casting Bolt Escape more than once completely gimps your character. So Shield Stacking took over as the new meta. But then they nerfed that too and added a bunch of counters.
The reason I'm planning on switching to main stam DK is they are as good or better at damage but much more survivable with much better self healing. The only slight draw back is the need to be in close instead of doing damage from range.0 -
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✭✭✭✭Joy_Division wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »Sorcs are dominant at range, but there's several classes I'd take over it in close quarters.
Agree 100%.
I'm going to work on my NonCP Sorc this weekend as I feel I'm only useful with a coordinated team. Frogrim_tactics wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »Sorcs are not OP in BGs - that's hilarious. MagSorcs are the easiest ones to kill in BGs.
NBs rule the realm of BGs from a pure damage stand point.
As far as kills - MagSorcs are stealing those all day but they melt super easy. They just hang out in the back. Run over there and smack em - super easy.No reason to go with anything else than sorc in BG.
The gap with other classes is abyssal.
Me uterly sucking at sorc do way better than with my DK that I consider playing not too badly.
And yes the problem is endless fury ... The other advantages sorcs have are acceptable but endless fury in BG environment is game breaking.
I'd take a MagDK and NB over Sorc in BGs any day. The bursts from NBs is way too OP in NonCP and MagDK can do good damage and survivability is better in BGs than MagSorc.
Dude... You don't have to defend your OP class on the forums, sorcs never get nerfs, you have nothing to worry about. OP4Life
You obviously don't play a MagSorc in BGs do you?
I've played StamBlade, MagDK, StamDK, and MagSorc. MagSorc is my main in most PvP.
In BGs - MagSorc survivability is garbage. In CP campaigns - yes they're OP as hell - but this is about BGs riiiiiiiight?
So yes - NBs and MagDK are awesome in BGs. Great versatility.
Want to steal everyone's kills and melt to most everything because shields are crap in NonCP - then by all means run a MagSorc, but since you don't - then you don't know what you are talking about.
Your burst combo is better than NBs, and it's ranged... You have shields for survivability as well as streak... NBs have a broken (still) cloak that can't be used as a reliable escape. Full medium is squishy AF, just like light and we have to be in melee range while sorcs are miles away.
With 1 shield I get, what, 7k in NonCP- and with two stacked it's a total of maybe 11k. So I get (for 5 seconds max) the same health as a DK. That's it. NB burst is much higher because the passives the burst has as far as debuffing you in the process to follow up attacks which hit harder. My MagSorc does not do 18k in 1 second - I would love to know how your MagSorc can do 18k in 1 second.
With my NB - I can kill someone in BGs before the animation of them being stunned even finishes.
1v1... No you can't, unless they have like 16k health. Everyone is running 21k +...
Yes I can and it's insane with all the procs hitting insanely hard. StamBlade in BGs melts.Emmagoldman wrote: »It's funny, I've been playing bg and I've seen maybe 4 mag sorcs. It's hands down a stam proc meta for bg.
MagSorcs aren't dominating anything in BGs but stealing kills.
Anyone who thinks MagSorc is OP in BGs is insane. Stam > Magic for NonCP.
Delusional much? Yeah the execute isn't the only reason why they're dominating. It's mainly because they can spam hardened ward indefinitely since it once consumes 2k out of their 50k magicka pool.
Once again sorcs are dominating not just BGs, but also PvP.
Look, I don't make YouTube videos and I don't stream, so therefore everyone just assumes I don't know what I'm talking about - and honestly I don't care. Trust me though that I stand behind my statements 100% as a day 1 MagSorc.
You even have one of the best, if not the best, MagSorcs in the game essentially saying the same thing.
Like I said before, you obviously don't play a MagSorc so please go make one and jump into BGs and tell me how often you can spam your shields and also try and do some offense without running out of Mag.
Bursts? Read above about how our so called "highest burst damage" actually works. Not even close to highest burst damage.Strider_Roshin wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »Sorcs are dominant at range, but there's several classes I'd take over it in close quarters.
Agree 100%.
I'm going to work on my NonCP Sorc this weekend as I feel I'm only useful with a coordinated team. Frogrim_tactics wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »Sorcs are not OP in BGs - that's hilarious. MagSorcs are the easiest ones to kill in BGs.
NBs rule the realm of BGs from a pure damage stand point.
As far as kills - MagSorcs are stealing those all day but they melt super easy. They just hang out in the back. Run over there and smack em - super easy.No reason to go with anything else than sorc in BG.
The gap with other classes is abyssal.
Me uterly sucking at sorc do way better than with my DK that I consider playing not too badly.
And yes the problem is endless fury ... The other advantages sorcs have are acceptable but endless fury in BG environment is game breaking.
I'd take a MagDK and NB over Sorc in BGs any day. The bursts from NBs is way too OP in NonCP and MagDK can do good damage and survivability is better in BGs than MagSorc.
Dude... You don't have to defend your OP class on the forums, sorcs never get nerfs, you have nothing to worry about. OP4Life
You obviously don't play a MagSorc in BGs do you?
I've played StamBlade, MagDK, StamDK, and MagSorc. MagSorc is my main in most PvP.
In BGs - MagSorc survivability is garbage. In CP campaigns - yes they're OP as hell - but this is about BGs riiiiiiiight?
So yes - NBs and MagDK are awesome in BGs. Great versatility.
Want to steal everyone's kills and melt to most everything because shields are crap in NonCP - then by all means run a MagSorc, but since you don't - then you don't know what you are talking about.
Your burst combo is better than NBs, and it's ranged... You have shields for survivability as well as streak... NBs have a broken (still) cloak that can't be used as a reliable escape. Full medium is squishy AF, just like light and we have to be in melee range while sorcs are miles away.
With 1 shield I get, what, 7k in NonCP- and with two stacked it's a total of maybe 11k. So I get (for 5 seconds max) the same health as a DK. That's it. NB burst is much higher because the passives the burst has as far as debuffing you in the process to follow up attacks which hit harder. My MagSorc does not do 18k in 1 second - I would love to know how your MagSorc can do 18k in 1 second.
With my NB - I can kill someone in BGs before the animation of them being stunned even finishes.
1v1... No you can't, unless they have like 16k health. Everyone is running 21k +...
Yes I can and it's insane with all the procs hitting insanely hard. StamBlade in BGs melts.Emmagoldman wrote: »It's funny, I've been playing bg and I've seen maybe 4 mag sorcs. It's hands down a stam proc meta for bg.
MagSorcs aren't dominating anything in BGs but stealing kills.
Anyone who thinks MagSorc is OP in BGs is insane. Stam > Magic for NonCP.
Delusional much? Yeah the execute isn't the only reason why they're dominating. It's mainly because they can spam hardened ward indefinitely since it once consumes 2k out of their 50k magicka pool.
Once again sorcs are dominating not just BGs, but also PvP.
You're not getting 50K in no-CP...
Necro, destruction mastery, master weapons. Bound aegis, pet up, and inner light front bar.
That's a horrible set up for BGs that offers no regen and isn't really viable.
Why does every sorc try to defend their broken OP class by saying something like this?
If more people wanted to be a no skill fuccboi that thinks they're amazing at pvp because of their massive sorc e-peen, I'm sure there would be more streaking around.
One doesn't need to play a sorc to know how blatant and ridiculously overpowered they are, most of us have been fighting them and putting up with the BS since day 1.
There are some people that aren't with responding to Akinos, and grim tactics is one of them. There are people that I disagree with such as minalan or Derra, but I'll still read their responses because I respect their opinion.
With that said I do have a magicka and stamina version of every class with the exception of the Warden.
And out of all the classes in the game I found the magsorc to be the most powerful by far, and with a destro 1vXing is cake.
Playing as a magsorc is the most entertaining magicka class to play as too since I can be aggressive with streak. But I still favor the stamblade due to how aggressive it is, and how unforgiving they are to make mistakes on. If it weren't for being a stamblade I would have switched back to Bloodborne or DS3 a long time ago.
What is there to say that hasn't been said? And it's not like sorc haters are somehow going to change their perception.
Akinos is a very good player but he's not quite right when he says when been putting up with their BS since Day 1. On release sorcs were busted because Streak didn't scale and it had 4 ultimate bats, but by the time these were nerfed/fixed, say by 1.4, sorc was the worst class and it wasn't close; the "instant" cast for frags was not instant, soft caps made stacking magicka a non-starter, almost all attacks it used was reflected by a DK. It was a negate monkey and that's it. And it was terrible in PvE.
It was not until the 1.6 removal of soft caps did we start putting up with sorc BS.
I do think shield stacking is a dumb mechanic and their on demand burst is miles better than other mag specs, but that does not mean the sorcerer does not have weaknesses. Defensive Posture screws them over hard because all of them want to use frags as part of their burst. Provided they survive the first frag that's reflected back at them, circumvent defensive posture is not going to be easy; they could use an immovable pot - which very few even bother equipping - most light attack and stun themselves just to get a frag off (which interrupts their burst). Good sorcs can adapt, but there are not that many and the defensive posture user still should not die as long as they are also experienced.
And as many have correctly said, shields are not strong when being attacked by multiple players.
But most players don't want to slot sword and board for reflect because that means sacrificing their damage and not getting off as many Viper and Red Mountain procs. 90% of the people in Cyrodiil are DPS specs. Many of these players' idea of balance is that they should spec for max damage with barely enough sustain and when this tactic fails to get them kills, ask the devs to nerf the defensive mechanic that foils them.
I do think the sorcerer is the "easiest" class, but that does not mean it's the most powerful nor does it mean a skilled player cannot take advantage of its weaknesses. And they are by no means "dominating" BGs.
This seems like a very balanced view. I thought you were firmly in the 'nerf sorcs' camp..?
Joy is in the 'Buff Templars, you effing broke them' camp.
Sorc is probably the easiest class to do 'average' with. It's not hard to cast three skills and burst someone not prepared. The same way that it's not all that hard to press two or three buttons and instantly gank someone as a stam nightblade.
But there is such a huge gap between people like lrylia or Faso and your average FOTM respec sorc that it isn't even funny. In fact your 'average easy-to-play' Sorcs are even easier to farm with impunity, and I've been pulling it off with a dual wield spec - probably the worst possible choice.
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✭✭✭Joy is in the 'Buff Templars, you effing broke them' camp.
Which is an odd position when templars are incredibly powerful right now.
Both magicka and stamina variants.Edited by CyrusArya on June 15, 2017 3:58PM1 -
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Can you explain this?
I'm trying to get a good handle on the current balance of the game since I've just come back from a long absence. What I've experienced in game and what I've read from other people is basically the opposite of what you've said.
I spent some time dueling and I've probably played 20 BG games. In all that time the only Templars I ran into were extremely underwhelming in both damage and survivability.0 -
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Can you explain this?
I'm trying to get a good handle on the current balance of the game since I've just come back from a long absence. What I've experienced in game and what I've read from other people is basically the opposite of what you've said.
I spent some time dueling and I've probably played 20 BG games. In all that time the only Templars I ran into were extremely underwhelming in both damage and survivability.
Stamplars are incredibly strong in the right hands, Cyrus speaks from experience there.. but I think they completely broke magplars.0 -
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✭✭✭I would assess BG Magicka class balance like this (excluding Warden because I haven't played it enough yet). Also note that I believe all the Stam classes are fairly close to one another:
Tier One Classes:
Sorcerer - Highest burst, high mobility, high sustain thanks to Dark Conversion. Endless Fury admittedly skews one's perception of Sorcerer contribution to organized groups; it's very good at kill stealing but doesn't offer a tremendous amount of utility.
Templar - High sustained damage, access to high burst via Purifying Light in coordinated groups, class-based purge. Templar is benefited tremendously from having another Templar in group because they are able to efficiently cross-heal and deal great sustained damage. Resource sustain is OK but not great. Mobility is low.
Tier Two Classes:
Nightblade - Decent sustained damage and high burst, very good if not excellent mobility, access to the best CC in the game (IMO). Doesn't offer any real utility outside of Fear, burst damage is tied to Spectral Bow proc and thus not as easily churned out as Sorc.
Dragonknight - OK sustained damage but very low burst outside of Ultimate usage, highest self healing. Extremely poor resource management. Can offer limited group utility as a meat shield / root bot.Edited by Kilandros on June 15, 2017 4:39PMInvictus
Kilandros - Dragonknight / Grand Overlord
Deimos - Templar / Grand Warlord
Sias - Sorcerer / PrefectZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.
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Stamplars are incredibly strong in the right hands, Cyrus speaks from experience there.. but I think they completely broke magplars.
Thanks Min. But go fight with or against Braidas or Light or Blab and tell me magplars are broken. The class has a very good combination of dps, heals, and utility...like they have for a very long time. No group of any size is at its potential without a magplar, and imo it is a cornerstone of an optimal BG squad alongside a magicka sorc and a stamina nightblade.1 -
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Stamplars are incredibly strong in the right hands, Cyrus speaks from experience there.. but I think they completely broke magplars.
Thanks Min. But go fight with or against Braidas or Light or Blab and tell me magplars are broken. The class has a very good combination of dps, heals, and utility...like they have for a very long time. No group of any size is at its potential without a magplar, and imo it is a cornerstone of an optimal BG squad alongside a magicka sorc and a stamina nightblade.
I agree with you that Magplar is very very strong this patch. But let's be fair, not just any duo of Magplars can do what Braidas and Light do.Invictus
Kilandros - Dragonknight / Grand Overlord
Deimos - Templar / Grand Warlord
Sias - Sorcerer / PrefectZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.
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✭✭✭✭Sorcs aren't dominating BGs, imo.
Mage's wrath (which is certainly not overpowered) steals killing blows, hence it dominates the broken scoring of 1/3 matches.
Mobility dominates another 1/3 of matches, which makes sorcs of both varieties seem more effective.
I don't like sorc, I don't play much sorc, but I can't say they feel particularly OP this patch--the structure and scoring of battlegrounds has fundamental issues, though.Thrice Empress, Forever Scrub2 -
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✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »Sorcs are dominant at range, but there's several classes I'd take over it in close quarters.
Agree 100%.
I'm going to work on my NonCP Sorc this weekend as I feel I'm only useful with a coordinated team. Frogrim_tactics wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »Sorcs are not OP in BGs - that's hilarious. MagSorcs are the easiest ones to kill in BGs.
NBs rule the realm of BGs from a pure damage stand point.
As far as kills - MagSorcs are stealing those all day but they melt super easy. They just hang out in the back. Run over there and smack em - super easy.No reason to go with anything else than sorc in BG.
The gap with other classes is abyssal.
Me uterly sucking at sorc do way better than with my DK that I consider playing not too badly.
And yes the problem is endless fury ... The other advantages sorcs have are acceptable but endless fury in BG environment is game breaking.
I'd take a MagDK and NB over Sorc in BGs any day. The bursts from NBs is way too OP in NonCP and MagDK can do good damage and survivability is better in BGs than MagSorc.
Dude... You don't have to defend your OP class on the forums, sorcs never get nerfs, you have nothing to worry about. OP4Life
You obviously don't play a MagSorc in BGs do you?
I've played StamBlade, MagDK, StamDK, and MagSorc. MagSorc is my main in most PvP.
In BGs - MagSorc survivability is garbage. In CP campaigns - yes they're OP as hell - but this is about BGs riiiiiiiight?
So yes - NBs and MagDK are awesome in BGs. Great versatility.
Want to steal everyone's kills and melt to most everything because shields are crap in NonCP - then by all means run a MagSorc, but since you don't - then you don't know what you are talking about.
Your burst combo is better than NBs, and it's ranged... You have shields for survivability as well as streak... NBs have a broken (still) cloak that can't be used as a reliable escape. Full medium is squishy AF, just like light and we have to be in melee range while sorcs are miles away.
With 1 shield I get, what, 7k in NonCP- and with two stacked it's a total of maybe 11k. So I get (for 5 seconds max) the same health as a DK. That's it. NB burst is much higher because the passives the burst has as far as debuffing you in the process to follow up attacks which hit harder. My MagSorc does not do 18k in 1 second - I would love to know how your MagSorc can do 18k in 1 second.
With my NB - I can kill someone in BGs before the animation of them being stunned even finishes.
1v1... No you can't, unless they have like 16k health. Everyone is running 21k +...
Yes I can and it's insane with all the procs hitting insanely hard. StamBlade in BGs melts.Emmagoldman wrote: »It's funny, I've been playing bg and I've seen maybe 4 mag sorcs. It's hands down a stam proc meta for bg.
MagSorcs aren't dominating anything in BGs but stealing kills.
Anyone who thinks MagSorc is OP in BGs is insane. Stam > Magic for NonCP.
Delusional much? Yeah the execute isn't the only reason why they're dominating. It's mainly because they can spam hardened ward indefinitely since it once consumes 2k out of their 50k magicka pool.
Once again sorcs are dominating not just BGs, but also PvP.
You're not getting 50K in no-CP...
Necro, destruction mastery, master weapons. Bound aegis, pet up, and inner light front bar.
First off, that build is garbage. No regen, no spell damage, no crit, no bar space. Nothing. But even then you won't hit 50K.
Plus the ward costs far more than 2k.
Heavy attack with a resto staff.Power Wealth And Influence.0 -
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✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »Sorcs are dominant at range, but there's several classes I'd take over it in close quarters.
Agree 100%.
I'm going to work on my NonCP Sorc this weekend as I feel I'm only useful with a coordinated team. Frogrim_tactics wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »Sorcs are not OP in BGs - that's hilarious. MagSorcs are the easiest ones to kill in BGs.
NBs rule the realm of BGs from a pure damage stand point.
As far as kills - MagSorcs are stealing those all day but they melt super easy. They just hang out in the back. Run over there and smack em - super easy.No reason to go with anything else than sorc in BG.
The gap with other classes is abyssal.
Me uterly sucking at sorc do way better than with my DK that I consider playing not too badly.
And yes the problem is endless fury ... The other advantages sorcs have are acceptable but endless fury in BG environment is game breaking.
I'd take a MagDK and NB over Sorc in BGs any day. The bursts from NBs is way too OP in NonCP and MagDK can do good damage and survivability is better in BGs than MagSorc.
Dude... You don't have to defend your OP class on the forums, sorcs never get nerfs, you have nothing to worry about. OP4Life
You obviously don't play a MagSorc in BGs do you?
I've played StamBlade, MagDK, StamDK, and MagSorc. MagSorc is my main in most PvP.
In BGs - MagSorc survivability is garbage. In CP campaigns - yes they're OP as hell - but this is about BGs riiiiiiiight?
So yes - NBs and MagDK are awesome in BGs. Great versatility.
Want to steal everyone's kills and melt to most everything because shields are crap in NonCP - then by all means run a MagSorc, but since you don't - then you don't know what you are talking about.
Your burst combo is better than NBs, and it's ranged... You have shields for survivability as well as streak... NBs have a broken (still) cloak that can't be used as a reliable escape. Full medium is squishy AF, just like light and we have to be in melee range while sorcs are miles away.
With 1 shield I get, what, 7k in NonCP- and with two stacked it's a total of maybe 11k. So I get (for 5 seconds max) the same health as a DK. That's it. NB burst is much higher because the passives the burst has as far as debuffing you in the process to follow up attacks which hit harder. My MagSorc does not do 18k in 1 second - I would love to know how your MagSorc can do 18k in 1 second.
With my NB - I can kill someone in BGs before the animation of them being stunned even finishes.
1v1... No you can't, unless they have like 16k health. Everyone is running 21k +...
Yes I can and it's insane with all the procs hitting insanely hard. StamBlade in BGs melts.Emmagoldman wrote: »It's funny, I've been playing bg and I've seen maybe 4 mag sorcs. It's hands down a stam proc meta for bg.
MagSorcs aren't dominating anything in BGs but stealing kills.
Anyone who thinks MagSorc is OP in BGs is insane. Stam > Magic for NonCP.
Delusional much? Yeah the execute isn't the only reason why they're dominating. It's mainly because they can spam hardened ward indefinitely since it once consumes 2k out of their 50k magicka pool.
Once again sorcs are dominating not just BGs, but also PvP.
You're not getting 50K in no-CP...
Necro, destruction mastery, master weapons. Bound aegis, pet up, and inner light front bar.
First off, that build is garbage. No regen, no spell damage, no crit, no bar space. Nothing. But even then you won't hit 50K.
Plus the ward costs far more than 2k.
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✭✭✭✭Anti_Virus wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »Sorcs are dominant at range, but there's several classes I'd take over it in close quarters.
Agree 100%.
I'm going to work on my NonCP Sorc this weekend as I feel I'm only useful with a coordinated team. Frogrim_tactics wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »grim_tactics wrote: »Sorcs are not OP in BGs - that's hilarious. MagSorcs are the easiest ones to kill in BGs.
NBs rule the realm of BGs from a pure damage stand point.
As far as kills - MagSorcs are stealing those all day but they melt super easy. They just hang out in the back. Run over there and smack em - super easy.No reason to go with anything else than sorc in BG.
The gap with other classes is abyssal.
Me uterly sucking at sorc do way better than with my DK that I consider playing not too badly.
And yes the problem is endless fury ... The other advantages sorcs have are acceptable but endless fury in BG environment is game breaking.
I'd take a MagDK and NB over Sorc in BGs any day. The bursts from NBs is way too OP in NonCP and MagDK can do good damage and survivability is better in BGs than MagSorc.
Dude... You don't have to defend your OP class on the forums, sorcs never get nerfs, you have nothing to worry about. OP4Life
You obviously don't play a MagSorc in BGs do you?
I've played StamBlade, MagDK, StamDK, and MagSorc. MagSorc is my main in most PvP.
In BGs - MagSorc survivability is garbage. In CP campaigns - yes they're OP as hell - but this is about BGs riiiiiiiight?
So yes - NBs and MagDK are awesome in BGs. Great versatility.
Want to steal everyone's kills and melt to most everything because shields are crap in NonCP - then by all means run a MagSorc, but since you don't - then you don't know what you are talking about.
Your burst combo is better than NBs, and it's ranged... You have shields for survivability as well as streak... NBs have a broken (still) cloak that can't be used as a reliable escape. Full medium is squishy AF, just like light and we have to be in melee range while sorcs are miles away.
With 1 shield I get, what, 7k in NonCP- and with two stacked it's a total of maybe 11k. So I get (for 5 seconds max) the same health as a DK. That's it. NB burst is much higher because the passives the burst has as far as debuffing you in the process to follow up attacks which hit harder. My MagSorc does not do 18k in 1 second - I would love to know how your MagSorc can do 18k in 1 second.
With my NB - I can kill someone in BGs before the animation of them being stunned even finishes.
1v1... No you can't, unless they have like 16k health. Everyone is running 21k +...
Yes I can and it's insane with all the procs hitting insanely hard. StamBlade in BGs melts.Emmagoldman wrote: »It's funny, I've been playing bg and I've seen maybe 4 mag sorcs. It's hands down a stam proc meta for bg.
MagSorcs aren't dominating anything in BGs but stealing kills.
Anyone who thinks MagSorc is OP in BGs is insane. Stam > Magic for NonCP.
Delusional much? Yeah the execute isn't the only reason why they're dominating. It's mainly because they can spam hardened ward indefinitely since it once consumes 2k out of their 50k magicka pool.
Once again sorcs are dominating not just BGs, but also PvP.
You're not getting 50K in no-CP...
Necro, destruction mastery, master weapons. Bound aegis, pet up, and inner light front bar.
First off, that build is garbage. No regen, no spell damage, no crit, no bar space. Nothing. But even then you won't hit 50K.
Plus the ward costs far more than 2k.
Heavy attack with a resto staff Max percentage in tenacity.
That'll work great in No-CP BG's...
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Tier One Classes:
Sorcerer - Highest burst, high mobility, high sustain thanks to Dark Conversion. Endless Fury admittedly skews one's perception of Sorcerer contribution to organized groups; it's very good at kill stealing but doesn't offer a tremendous amount of utility.
Templar - High sustained damage, access to high burst via Purifying Light in coordinated groups, class-based purge. Templar is benefited tremendously from having another Templar in group because they are able to efficiently cross-heal and deal great sustained damage. Resource sustain is OK but not great. Mobility is low.
Tier Two Classes:
Nightblade - Decent sustained damage and high burst, very good if not excellent mobility, access to the best CC in the game (IMO). Doesn't offer any real utility outside of Fear, burst damage is tied to Spectral Bow proc and thus not as easily churned out as Sorc.
Dragonknight - OK sustained damage but very low burst outside of Ultimate usage, highest self healing. Extremely poor resource management. Can offer limited group utility as a meat shield / root bot.
When you put stam nb burst below sorc lmao.
Mag dk are great in bgs as well, dots eat people healing.PS4 EU DC
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My position is more accurately "return the power stolen by CPs and gear sets and homogenized buffs to ALL classes."
I do think and have thought for a while that all classes are playable and can compete. Just that some are easier and some have a higher max potential than others.
@NordJitsu - Magplar if played and geared correctly is a strong spec, below a sorc but they do a lot of things well so above DK and NB.
Magplars shine most when their team is better than or have the tactical battlefield advantage (i.e. their team in "winning" a fight) against their opponents because their best skills tend to be of the Xv1 variety. When templars turtle and are on the defensive, they do this well, but their CC is lousy, BoL is expensive, their defensive skills dont pressure their opponent; they have distinct offense and defensive phases which is not ideal when outnumbered or heavily pressured. If you que up for BGs with a bunch of randoms Vs. a strong premade or are in one of those godawful 2v4v4 matches, you're probably going to hold block, spam BoL, and not have much fun.Edited by Joy_Division on June 15, 2017 9:18PMMake Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.0 -
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When played correctly in the right hands they are.
I wouldn't say "incredibly powerful". People seem to think that because a handful of players are amazing templars that make videos that there is nothing wrong with the class. Don't get me wrong, templars are good yes, but not great. At least not until we get an AoE CC and some skills have actual use(looking at you solar barrage).
I feel like it would be easier to get those epic 1vX clips that people go nuts over if I played another class with better burst potential.
I've been a magplar since release...maybe it's that time....
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Azurethe✭✭✭I wouldn't say any class is over powered in BGs right now. I think that some classes are being lifted up beyond normality through proc sets, such as viper or Selenes, which as a PvP community we can probably speak to these over performing, seeing as most of all stam builds have a place for it on their character, though sets like Valkyn are no exception to perhaps over performing in a no CP setting like BGs as well. BGs are a group play environment, as annoying as sorcs are to fight 1v1 sometimes, they can be focused hard, and there is skill required for a sorc to get itself out of that situation that most lack. Just because sorcs have a very strong execute and usually get all the killing blows, doesnt mean they're doing all the killing0
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✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »I would assess BG Magicka class balance like this (excluding Warden because I haven't played it enough yet). Also note that I believe all the Stam classes are fairly close to one another:
Tier One Classes:
Sorcerer - Highest burst, high mobility, high sustain thanks to Dark Conversion. Endless Fury admittedly skews one's perception of Sorcerer contribution to organized groups; it's very good at kill stealing but doesn't offer a tremendous amount of utility.
Templar - High sustained damage, access to high burst via Purifying Light in coordinated groups, class-based purge. Templar is benefited tremendously from having another Templar in group because they are able to efficiently cross-heal and deal great sustained damage. Resource sustain is OK but not great. Mobility is low.
Tier Two Classes:
Nightblade - Decent sustained damage and high burst, very good if not excellent mobility, access to the best CC in the game (IMO). Doesn't offer any real utility outside of Fear, burst damage is tied to Spectral Bow proc and thus not as easily churned out as Sorc.
Dragonknight - OK sustained damage but very low burst outside of Ultimate usage, highest self healing. Extremely poor resource management. Can offer limited group utility as a meat shield / root bot.
When you put stam nb burst below sorc lmao.
Mag dk are great in bgs as well, dots eat people healing.
I clearly say that this is an assessment of magicka classes. I know reading is hard and all, but at least make an effort if you're going to take the time to post a response.Invictus
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Sias - Sorcerer / PrefectZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.
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✭Templars need a proper CC and they be in a good place until than templar are Still lack luster solo.Add 1 other person to that group and magplar shine.
Yea I like how my proper cc is rng and telegraphed but can also be dodged by shuffle or roll dodge without meaning to.
Streak is a cc but more often than not you aren't able to have a continuation of damage after you pass through them. It's disruption, finisher, or relieves pressure. Not the easiest thing in the world to fit between a combo when it requires two bar swaps.
But toppling charge
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✭Templars need a proper CC and they be in a good place until than templar are Still lack luster solo.Add 1 other person to that group and magplar shine.Templars need a proper CC and they be in a good place until than templar are Still lack luster solo.Add 1 other person to that group and magplar shine.
Yea I like how my proper cc is rng and telegraphed but can also be dodged by shuffle or roll dodge without meaning to.
Streak is a cc but more often than not you aren't able to have a continuation of damage after you pass through them. It's disruption, finisher, or relieves pressure. Not the easiest thing in the world to fit between a combo when it requires two bar swaps.
But toppling charge
Frags is still a better CC than javelin which can be dodged by shuffle or roll dodged.When Frag hit it deals extremely high damage in comparison and CC when javelin CC it deals little damage and knock your enemy out of range of your main DPS ability.
Magsorc is a range class so Streak is great in that it working as designed. it allows you reset the fight and create distance from your enemy. Still better CC than what a templar have currently.Which is a$$ when you compare option both sides have.1 -
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mDK healing in Battlegrounds is honestly amazing. BE is your go to heal. Coag when you need to LoS. The biggest problem with our heals, outside of BE, is sustaining healing with our trash resource management.Invictus
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Deimos - Templar / Grand Warlord
Sias - Sorcerer / PrefectZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.
DK IS NOT JUST A TANK CLASS. #PLAYTHEWAYYOUWANT0
