Master Craftin Writs a Joke?

kiLLahweSPe · February 2017

Since Homestead launched i did 840 Writs in total, 10 toons in 6 professions per day. On my main crafter i got all motifs, all mentioned achievements which could be weighted in, all 9 traits learned. On my other toons i got nearly all the achievements, max rank in all professions, on some even complete styles learned in preparation for Homestead.

I took the time to learn all ingredients on all toons, buying purple recipes just to learn them too, learning all runes including Hakeijo.

So far, after 840 writs, i got the glorious amount of 149 vouchers. Iam so glad i got some donations from friends, so i got 4 Skeletons by now and iam not dependant on this *** anymore.

Homestead is the worst RNG grind since....i wanted to say VMA but to be honest, its the worst ever; even more if u see other people who dont even have 9 traits researched sitting on like 300 vouchers 3 days after release.

The master writs were intended to drain ressources from the playerbase, but with this droprates, jokes on you i guess. My mats are still stockpiling, no master writs, no expenses.

mlstevens42_ESO · February 2017

I only have four crafters running this. One is just pot/enchants/and food. One is a fully traited and motifed until homestead smith but can see and gather all. One has no traits and very few motifs mostly just the pc racials all they can do is make base white gear with top level stuff. One has most traits for smith and all for wood and cloth done. She also has all of the alchemy and enchant stuff done. She is light on cooking recipes. I do the crafts they can do every day. On average get at least one master write a day. Some days get more then on others none...but average is one. It might be just a 2 voucher alchemy writ but it is a writ none the less.

I did get enough for the ebony motif...the book that is and have another almost 200 split between the big smith and the all crafts gals. I do wish the vouchers were account wide but no such luck.

Fudly_budly · February 2017

Asardes wrote: »

I'll just wait till the hype passes to buy blueprints at low prices from guild stores. By that time I would also stock enough materials to fully furnish my houses. No need to farm like crazy or waste my gold on something that adds no utility right now.

^^
this! In fact, I used the 79 vouchers I got to buy a purple housing plan and a few ebony style mats. Housing plan sold for 30k and the mats for 20k each.

Besides, my guild, ETU, has already put crafting tables in our guild hall. I'll just use those, free banker and free merchant through my awesome guild!

So far, I've received two master writs that I can't do. I'm "storing" in the guild store until I can do them or they sell. I have them listed for less than 4k per voucher so, reasonable.

Nolphi · February 2017

I am up to 38 writs per day and that number is rising quickly. I think the system works well enough even though the RNG is all over the place. I have been selling the writs and made about 1M gold doing that in the first week. Prices are way down so I am switching strategy and will start selling dummies instead.

My two cents: the 2 voucher writs are just too tedious and a minimum of 5 should be set. The system is also not rewarding enough. Beyond the dummy I dont see much use in the vouchers. I dont see the use of having crafting stations in my house, let alone the attunable ones. Give me an NPC that can pickup and deliver writs for me then maybe I will craft at my home. Right now the only location that makes sense to be at is Craglorn. The attunable crafting stations are competely useless in my opinion.. how often is anyone really going to craft a specific set? What I would love to see is a Token system where we can buy specific gear pieces using universal tokens that can be obtained by converting writ vouchers, tel var, AP or gold into these tokens. Also let us convert useless drops into these tokens. I think such a system will remove much of the frustrating grind out of this game. I have said this over and over again: the game is so massive and so cool that it does not require silly frustrating grinds... token system please so that all activity and drops at least contributes to something and offers at least some feeling of progress

STEVIL · February 2017

Nolphi wrote: »

I am up to 38 writs per day and that number is rising quickly. I think the system works well enough even though the RNG is all over the place. I have been selling the writs and made about 1M gold doing that in the first week. Prices are way down so I am switching strategy and will start selling dummies instead.

My two cents: the 2 voucher writs are just too tedious and a minimum of 5 should be set. The system is also not rewarding enough. Beyond the dummy I dont see much use in the vouchers. I dont see the use of having crafting stations in my house, let alone the attunable ones. Give me an NPC that can pickup and deliver writs for me then maybe I will craft at my home. Right now the only location that makes sense to be at is Craglorn. The attunable crafting stations are competely useless in my opinion.. how often is anyone really going to craft a specific set? What I would love to see is a Token system where we can buy specific gear pieces using universal tokens that can be obtained by converting writ vouchers, tel var, AP or gold into these tokens. Also let us convert useless drops into these tokens. I think such a system will remove much of the frustrating grind out of this game. I have said this over and over again: the game is so massive and so cool that it does not require silly frustrating grinds... token system please so that all activity and drops at least contributes to something and offers at least some feeling of progress

to me the value of attunable sets is to bring restricted or difficult sets to a wider audience. one run to get pvp sets tuned and the friends and guildies can craft them in my basement - no pvp involved.
Clever alchemist - same deal but with traps and gargoyles.
maybe others by morrowind.
also bring dlc sets to non-dlc zones for those who didn't buy.

i use my normal home stations every day. lets those working up crafting skills decon in a flash.

but all in all the value and utility will be very subjective and personal. many will find target dummies useless.

but all in all depending on your choices you can sell, craft then sell or craft then use in any combo to suit your needs.

Master writs are just a new occasional jackpot raising the value of tier-10 writs.

mlstevens42_ESO · February 2017

I personally find the target dummies not worth the effort to be honest. Me not having to go to imp city to craft armor master for example is worth it. It depends on you the player whether something is worthwhile or not. The dummies well have friends that would let me use theirs if I needed. Seems rather costly if I am not really going to use it myself.

Further uses for normal craft stations like Stevil mentioned decon and such... much simpler only have to go one place. Certainly the consumables and enchant wouldn't matter so much where they are they all do the same thing. However in my quest to furnish my house I would find it much easier if I had at least basic stations. Much simpler then having to go to some town craft whatever and then drag it all to my house. YMMV of course but that is how I see it.

Sure not every one is going to want everything on the list. I look at it once I get what I want off of the thing I can quit doing writs if I am of a mind.

STEVIL · February 2017

mlstevens42_ESO wrote: »

I personally find the target dummies not worth the effort to be honest. Me not having to go to imp city to craft armor master for example is worth it. It depends on you the player whether something is worthwhile or not. The dummies well have friends that would let me use theirs if I needed. Seems rather costly if I am not really going to use it myself.

Further uses for normal craft stations like Stevil mentioned decon and such... much simpler only have to go one place. Certainly the consumables and enchant wouldn't matter so much where they are they all do the same thing. However in my quest to furnish my house I would find it much easier if I had at least basic stations. Much simpler then having to go to some town craft whatever and then drag it all to my house. YMMV of course but that is how I see it.

Sure not every one is going to want everything on the list. I look at it once I get what I want off of the thing I can quit doing writs if I am of a mind.

Exactly.. the crafting stations in my home have no doors as well to go thru.

Merenwen_812 · February 2017

I only have one master crafter.
Have all ach in crafting minus the new ones (expert on most but with how rare the drop is for bast etc, master is a little ways away) and I don't Imperial City so don't have Hakeijo one.
She has 9 triats learned in heavy armour and woodworking and some clothing is at 9 rest are at 8 (nirn missing as I took a break from ESO for almost a year) and I am working on weapons most are at 6 or 7 and one is at 9 (greatsword)

Using the journal (lore library) there are a total of 29 books (NOT counting the original 23 that are only available in book form)
406 total rare motifs to find (29x14 pages each)

I have 16 total books (224 rare motifs learned)
plus 41 misc ones.

265 total motifs in all learned (I also know all of the original blue, purple and imperial motifs)

141 left to get

I have had 5 master writs since launch. Doing all 6 writs a day. For a grand freaking total of 19 vouchers. I will never accomplish anything at this rate.

The only thing I can think of that is causing such bad results is when ZOS said "This includes research, Motif knowledge, and achievement completion." they meant overall achievements not just in crafting.. which is where I lack. 12680 is my total which looking at progress bar is less than half way mark. So for now I can just grind through my ach and hope that my chances go up.

Jamini · February 2017

I find it interesting that people in this thread are complaining about low master writ drop-rates.

I'm getting 1-2 a day. Mostly alchemy. I've seen a fair few epic writs that I've been able to instantly turn in. This is including two writs I'm holding because I'm missing traits for those items. This character is my first and main toon, and does indeed have a number of achivements.

@Merewen_812 may be onto something. ZOS did not state that it was just crafting achievements that were factored into master writ completion. It may very well be that Zenimax wants to reward people who craft on their primary character/focus their crafting in one area as opposed to players who simply spam toons to game the system.

Merenwen_812 · February 2017

@Jamini that is my thought exactly, it did not specifically state crafting ach.

May I ask, what is your overall ach count? I have been trying to find people to help me test this theory.
Anyone who gets one a day can please chime in to their overall ach count.

Jamini · February 2017

I can check when I get home. I can say that my crafter has about 90% of my playtime/achievement completion. (The other 10% is generally split between two non-crafting alts)

Slurg · February 2017

I don't think so, not for me anyway. My character who has the most overall achievements is also the one with the most crafting knowledge, and still does not get noticebly more master writs than the alts.

I thought I linked somewhere else in this thread the official statement about it being only crafting achievements anyway.

Edit: Here
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3811984#Comment_3811984

Not general achievements according to that.

Cpt_Teemo · February 2017

Inklings wrote: »

Inklings wrote: »

In 10 days i have received 91 master writs for a total of 983 vouchers. I run 20 characters a day through all 6 writs for a total of 120 writs a day. So yes i have a much larger pool to pull from then most of you but my experience should help shine a light on how many you are going to need to do, to obtain the master writ items you want. I have already shared this info in other master writ discussion threads but here is my first weeks break down for others that might want it.

https://twitter.com/Inklings_ESO/status/830812927871578115

To continue, with first weeks numbers quoted for reference. Here are my numbers from week #2. 56 Master Writs for 577 Vouchers. Here they are, broken down by category.

Must be something about the name ID this kind of proves it tbh, I had 0 for the past 11 days on every char.

Wreuntzylla · February 2017

I might change my mind once the market is satisfied and prices drop, but right now the value is very high and going to the right players - crafting enthusiasts. I think this is ZoS' very late apology for the nirn implementation, and it *almost* makes up for that debacle.

The Hlaalu purple recipes alone net you 20k-100k on a guild trader for all of 10 vouchers. I made 400k from a single target skelly.and the prices are going up (hope you hoarded your bone). Once you learn the praxis, it's a never ending source of gold. And then there is the selling of high end furniture...

Over time, what I have seen is that while even low score crafters seem to have a chance to obtain master writs that is comparable with my high score toons, only the high score toons have received the master writs providing more than 7 vouchers.

Sweetpea704 · February 2017

Okay, I just made a nirnhoned, 9 trait set, Dwemer item and the reward was only 20 writ vouchers. That seems pretty low, considering how long it takes to become a nine trait crafter.

Preyfar · February 2017

Sweetpea704 wrote: »

Okay, I just made a nirnhoned, 9 trait set, Dwemer item and the reward was only 20 writ vouchers. That seems pretty low, considering how long it takes to become a nine trait crafter.

Nirnhoned should be the only trait to improve quality of vouchers, but... eh.

The entire system has been demoralizing for me. I do writs because that's all I have left to do in game (other than VMOL). I want to decorate, but I can't because of the ridiculous Heartwood grind. Last night I got three master writs... for all of 2 freakin' vouchers each. Slap in the face. =/

Cpt_Teemo · February 2017

Preyfar wrote: »

Sweetpea704 wrote: »

Okay, I just made a nirnhoned, 9 trait set, Dwemer item and the reward was only 20 writ vouchers. That seems pretty low, considering how long it takes to become a nine trait crafter.

Nirnhoned should be the only trait to improve quality of vouchers, but... eh.

The entire system has been demoralizing for me. I do writs because that's all I have left to do in game (other than VMOL). I want to decorate, but I can't because of the ridiculous Heartwood grind. Last night I got three master writs... for all of 2 freakin' vouchers each. Slap in the face. =/

Yeah tell me about it 36 writs a day and no master writ for 11 days for me

Autolycus · February 2017

If it's too easy to get housing items, then nobody will buy them with crowns.

Cpt_Teemo · February 2017

Autolycus wrote: »

If it's too easy to get housing items, then nobody will buy them with crowns.

Tell that to the chart guy that made nearly 2k vouchers since launch

O_LYKOS · February 2017

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

Master writs (most) simply are not rewarding as they only grant you 2-6 vouchers on average (if you can get a master writ). If someone has only one crafter or is new to the game and crafting it could easily take a year before they get that practice dummy or Ebony motif they want. Master writs (IMO) should grant no less than 20 vouchers.

Hold up, so this testing dummy which a lot of people are excited to have is not even obtainable straight away, you have to complete master crafting writs?

rootimus · February 2017

O_LYKOS wrote: »

Hold up, so this testing dummy which a lot of people are excited to have is not even obtainable straight away, you have to complete master crafting writs?

That, or you can buy it from someone who's done them.

I_killed_Vivec · February 2017

Sweetpea704 wrote: »

Okay, I just made a nirnhoned, 9 trait set, Dwemer item and the reward was only 20 writ vouchers. That seems pretty low, considering how long it takes to become a nine trait crafter.

Now for me that should be what makes a "master crafter" - knowledge of all 9 traits in all gear, level 50 in your craft, knowledge of all runes, all ingredients...

That should be the entry level for getting master writs.

Then take away the RNG, and make crafting worthwhile

Cpt_Teemo · February 2017

Always don't accept the quest when it asks you to, then you can see if you can craft it or not

OldSmeller · February 2017

If you think the drops are random than I have a bridge to sell you.

STEVIL · February 2017

Merenwen_812 wrote: »

I only have one master crafter.
Have all ach in crafting minus the new ones (expert on most but with how rare the drop is for bast etc, master is a little ways away) and I don't Imperial City so don't have Hakeijo one.
She has 9 triats learned in heavy armour and woodworking and some clothing is at 9 rest are at 8 (nirn missing as I took a break from ESO for almost a year) and I am working on weapons most are at 6 or 7 and one is at 9 (greatsword)

Using the journal (lore library) there are a total of 29 books (NOT counting the original 23 that are only available in book form)
406 total rare motifs to find (29x14 pages each)

I have 16 total books (224 rare motifs learned)
plus 41 misc ones.

265 total motifs in all learned (I also know all of the original blue, purple and imperial motifs)

141 left to get

I have had 5 master writs since launch. Doing all 6 writs a day. For a grand freaking total of 19 vouchers. I will never accomplish anything at this rate.

The only thing I can think of that is causing such bad results is when ZOS said "This includes research, Motif knowledge, and achievement completion." they meant overall achievements not just in crafting.. which is where I lack. 12680 is my total which looking at progress bar is less than half way mark. So for now I can just grind through my ach and hope that my chances go up.

the following was posted in one of the other threads on writ chances - not by me not by zos but it seems to jibe with my experience so far. i have been saying its achievements...

take it for what its worth... but its a better answer then RNGesus picks favorites IMO.

Do note that ZoS has said some motifs dont count iirc - the crown only ones for instance aren't in the mix if i recall even though they may list as achievements.

i focused on achievements in the run up to homestead and it seems to have paid off as i get a lot more than the "not seen any" crowd.

the quote was...

The drop rate appears to scale at least as high as 50%. What you need to know is that this is not liner, it is multiplicative. It actually does greatly reward players with full completion on crafting related achieves and may reward general achievement points. We are not sure on this. Look at your bars in this area. The formula appears to be Decimal crafting X decimal crafting area X (either total achieve points decimal or max drop rate decimal).

So your "I've done a lot" might be .5 X.5 X.5=12.5% whereas actually doing a lot would be .9X.9X(either .5 or .9) for 40% to 73%. You actually have to do a lot to get a good drop rate but that rate can get quite good. I am at about somewhere around 25%.

Specifically on the Nirn question. Actually, researching 1x weapon and 1x armor gives full credit. Look at the achieves, that is it. The achieves actually reward motifs far more than any crafting research or crafting things you have done in the past.

Crafting writs drop at a very high rate to crafters with a lot of achieve points. Prepare to open your wallet though. I have dropped almost 1M in motifs the last week to get to the rates I now have. Almost all crafting points are in rare motifs. For my part I now have all but Akavari, Ebon, and some Ragada that I will finish soon. I will probably obtain all but Akavari in time

Cpt_Teemo · February 2017

STEVIL wrote: »

Merenwen_812 wrote: »

I only have one master crafter.
Have all ach in crafting minus the new ones (expert on most but with how rare the drop is for bast etc, master is a little ways away) and I don't Imperial City so don't have Hakeijo one.
She has 9 triats learned in heavy armour and woodworking and some clothing is at 9 rest are at 8 (nirn missing as I took a break from ESO for almost a year) and I am working on weapons most are at 6 or 7 and one is at 9 (greatsword)

Using the journal (lore library) there are a total of 29 books (NOT counting the original 23 that are only available in book form)
406 total rare motifs to find (29x14 pages each)

I have 16 total books (224 rare motifs learned)
plus 41 misc ones.

265 total motifs in all learned (I also know all of the original blue, purple and imperial motifs)

141 left to get

I have had 5 master writs since launch. Doing all 6 writs a day. For a grand freaking total of 19 vouchers. I will never accomplish anything at this rate.

The only thing I can think of that is causing such bad results is when ZOS said "This includes research, Motif knowledge, and achievement completion." they meant overall achievements not just in crafting.. which is where I lack. 12680 is my total which looking at progress bar is less than half way mark. So for now I can just grind through my ach and hope that my chances go up.

the following was posted in one of the other threads on writ chances - not by me not by zos but it seems to jibe with my experience so far. i have been saying its achievements...

take it for what its worth... but its a better answer then RNGesus picks favorites IMO.

Do note that ZoS has said some motifs dont count iirc - the crown only ones for instance aren't in the mix if i recall even though they may list as achievements.

i focused on achievements in the run up to homestead and it seems to have paid off as i get a lot more than the "not seen any" crowd.

the quote was...

The drop rate appears to scale at least as high as 50%. What you need to know is that this is not liner, it is multiplicative. It actually does greatly reward players with full completion on crafting related achieves and may reward general achievement points. We are not sure on this. Look at your bars in this area. The formula appears to be Decimal crafting X decimal crafting area X (either total achieve points decimal or max drop rate decimal).

So your "I've done a lot" might be .5 X.5 X.5=12.5% whereas actually doing a lot would be .9X.9X(either .5 or .9) for 40% to 73%. You actually have to do a lot to get a good drop rate but that rate can get quite good. I am at about somewhere around 25%.

Specifically on the Nirn question. Actually, researching 1x weapon and 1x armor gives full credit. Look at the achieves, that is it. The achieves actually reward motifs far more than any crafting research or crafting things you have done in the past.

Crafting writs drop at a very high rate to crafters with a lot of achieve points. Prepare to open your wallet though. I have dropped almost 1M in motifs the last week to get to the rates I now have. Almost all crafting points are in rare motifs. For my part I now have all but Akavari, Ebon, and some Ragada that I will finish soon. I will probably obtain all but Akavari in time

My main crafter has basically every crafting achievement, also all in game motifs none bought from store all but 4 left, and 15 traits left as well but haven't seen a master writ in 11 days, also my other crafters even though they don't have many achieves atleast 2-3 in each crafting category they craft in still haven't seen any for 11 days as well.

STEVIL · February 2017

Sweetpea704 wrote: »

Okay, I just made a nirnhoned, 9 trait set, Dwemer item and the reward was only 20 writ vouchers. That seems pretty low, considering how long it takes to become a nine trait crafter.

The great karnak puts the envelope to his head and says... i betcha it was epic quality so you needed 4 purple stones that cost peanuts and not eight gold stones that cost plenty to make that set.

And it likely wasn't a pvp zone set but i am not sure about that.

Am i close?

to get the high dollar payouts you need all the factors dialed to 11 - gold, set rarity or difficulty, motif rarity esp if it has never been crownable, nirnhone - all of them. getting most of them or only some of them up there - can leave you to medium or even low values.

if i am right, you could likely have sold that writ for about 40-50k in a New Auridon minute. more than that if you were patient. if it doesn't look worth it, sell it. heck if it wasn't a PVP set i would have paid 50k easily. going rate iirc is still between 3-4k per voucher unless there is major headache or expense involved.

never confuse one time cost (time to learn nine trait) with repeatable bonuses. it should play a role but a minor one.

STEVIL · February 2017

OldSmeller wrote: »

If you think the drops are random than I have a bridge to sell you.

i think the drops are random. but i have no need of a bridge... but a functional placeable furnishing interior wall... we might be talking then.

:-)

then again, you may be using a definition of random that is not the norm. random does not preclude weighted and zos made it clear the writ chances etc are weighted.

bguile · February 2017

For what it's worth here are my results since homestead released.

My main char and crafter, with 14905 achievement points, with all crafting achievements completed, capable of doing all 6 writs at level 50, most of the motifs learned, or in the progress of learning, has had a slow but steady drop rate. Averaging one every other day. Almost all of them are 5-6 writ reward, with one being 38 reward, and one 2 writ reward. One writ for 6 is asking for an akavari motif that i don't have so I haven't done it (about 20k AP short of it, maybe if i ever get back to pvp I will do it), and one was asking for imperial city crafting station, which I didn't feel like going into it. That one I tried to sell, but got bit by the deadly strikes bug. However looks like the patch today corrected it, since it's now calling for Deaths Wind. Thanks for fixing it ZOS, but shame on you it even happened.

Just to test, I tried my only other character who has reached level 50 in woodworking, clothing, and blacksmithing (alchemy, enchanting, and provision are not close to maxed on her), and first two attempts, nothing, second two attempts, one writ for 44, and today a writ for 45. That char has 5020 achievement points, and hardly any motif's learned.

Mordack · February 2017

I've received quite a bit of master writs but the biggest issue I have is most of them require sets that need 9 traits to craft, Nirnhorned (which will take about a month for my character to research), and/or motifs I don't own. Can I get some crappy Master Writs, please?

The only writs I've been able to complete without any issues are the consumable writs, but I've only received three alchemy writs so far...

The only positive is I was able to sell a master writ, with absurd requirements I'll never meet, to help pay for some Nirnhorned equipment to research.