Master Craftin Writs a Joke?

Gandrhulf_Harbard

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

The thing that annoys me most is that we have been pushing for master crafting writs for ages now - mainly because the inspiration given by normal writs is meaningless but also because those writs are so basic and are totally lacking in imagination. Master writs are the perfect way to reward crafters who had learnt to something more than just craft a couple of bows and a shield and want better rewards than vendor trash gear and recipes.

So they bring in master writs...

Do they make them alternative to the basic writs? Do they make them so that a master crafter can use some skill to get a better reward than just churning out a couple of nondescript daggers, a couple of pauldrons and a helm?

No.

They introduce a triple layered RNG grind.

You might get a master writ, if you are lucky.

You might get a writ that gives you something more than 2 tokens.

You might have learnt the obscure style they want you to use so you don't have to visit the crown store.

None of that is guaranteed. And you still have to complete the boring, unimaginative, basic writs

I agree with all of this.

Master Writs should have been a way to a) revitalise end-game crafting and b) reward players who have put serious effort into crafting.

Instead, with - I am sure - a little input from a monetisation "expert" - that have become a triple-layered RNG grind with little to no worth in-game and whose only worth is incentivisng using the Crown Store.

By the end of this week I will have logged 20 odd hours overtime. Overtime money goes into my "leisure and pleasure" funds. Last weekend I was mulling over the idea of dropping £40 on Crowns and buying a Furnished Large House. As of this morning's kick in the teeth from RNGMax that money is never going to the Crown Store.

All The Best

Sweetpea704

No master writ should be worth less than 5 writ vouchers. I'm sitting at 124 writ vouchers. When will I get the next one to get the thing I want that is 125? Going all over creation for 2 writ vouchers is soul sucking.

Slurg

Sweetpea704 wrote: »

No master writ should be worth less than 5 writ vouchers. I'm sitting at 124 writ vouchers. When will I get the next one to get the thing I want that is 125? Going all over creation for 2 writ vouchers is soul sucking.

I don't mind the ones for two vouchers that you can make at any enchanting/alchemy station. They're fast to complete. But I'd like to see more than one 2 voucher writ drop at a time, or have me make 2x as many and give me 4.

Troneon

Wait this update is a waste of time...really?

We could never had called it....completely shocked...

STEVIL

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

The most common "going rate" for writs on guild stores i have seen is 5k per voucher. If its a huge cost like say psyjic needs roe or tempers it might get down to 4k per. So most of the exammpke i have sern compkained about so far would havebmade tons on the market.

So far the vouchers per writ have all made sense to me and seemed consistent.

On PC/NA, I think they have fallen below that. Some of the 2 writ simple vouchers can go for that, but the price fell pretty hard on Monday. My guess is that a lot of people (myself included) stopped listing once we realized that the traders were the culprit for the deadly strike bug, and then the market got flooded after the fix. I listed 2 big ones on monday at 3.5k a voucher and they sat for 24 hours without selling, when last week the same vouchers sold at 6k per in minutes. I dont know where it will level out out, my guess is somewhere in the 1.5-2k range. I relisted mine at 3k per last night, and we will see if they sell. And this is a Rawl'kha trader, so if it doesnt sell there it wont sell anywhere.

I am sitting on 343 deadly strike vouchers. By the time they fix them, my guess is prices will hit rock bottom. I will probably end up actually using these ones for myself.

Yeah i think its come down to 4k per voucher with some lower than that.

For sure a 10 voucher make 8 ambrosia writ would likely sell in a flash for 25k - quite a profit but that would have removed ability to post gripes.

STEVIL

lientier wrote: »

what still upset me crafting 8 ambrosia for 10 vouchers..
which is 2 perfect roe..

8 ambrosia would sell for what - 24k on the usual market?

A 10 voucher writ - you could get that in a flash for it - maybe as much as 40k.

four of those writs would earn 40 vouchers - more than enough for one crafting station. they sell for well over 100k...

so, honestly, not sure why you are upset at your roe being used for 10 vouchers. unless you planned to use it one crackers, that is.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

STEVIL wrote: »

lientier wrote: »

what still upset me crafting 8 ambrosia for 10 vouchers..
which is 2 perfect roe..

8 ambrosia would sell for what - 24k on the usual market?

A 10 voucher writ - you could get that in a flash for it - maybe as much as 40k.

four of those writs would earn 40 vouchers - more than enough for one crafting station. they sell for well over 100k...

so, honestly, not sure why you are upset at your roe being used for 10 vouchers. unless you planned to use it one crackers, that is.

I think as the market settles we will start seeing pricing be more in tune with what it actually calls for. For example a 40 writ voucher that takes epic cloth will command more per writ than a 60k voucher that required temp alloy. In the beginning, people were just buying up everything.

Like I said, I had two writs (one aound 70 and one around 120) that didnt sell at 3.5k per in 24 hours. But I also had a few 2 writ vouchers sell for 10k yesterday.

STEVIL

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

lientier wrote: »

what still upset me crafting 8 ambrosia for 10 vouchers..
which is 2 perfect roe..

8 ambrosia would sell for what - 24k on the usual market?

A 10 voucher writ - you could get that in a flash for it - maybe as much as 40k.

four of those writs would earn 40 vouchers - more than enough for one crafting station. they sell for well over 100k...

so, honestly, not sure why you are upset at your roe being used for 10 vouchers. unless you planned to use it one crackers, that is.

I think as the market settles we will start seeing pricing be more in tune with what it actually calls for. For example a 40 writ voucher that takes epic cloth will command more per writ than a 60k voucher that required temp alloy. In the beginning, people were just buying up everything.

Like I said, I had two writs (one aound 70 and one around 120) that didnt sell at 3.5k per in 24 hours. But I also had a few 2 writ vouchers sell for 10k yesterday.

Right now it is not only a new market but there is "new stuff" there to get at the end.

Attuned stations are the end goal for some and so if they have the tempers its not just a simple "purple vs gold" math issue - its progress toward goal as well.

After they have reached the goal and its now about sell/resell then you i think are right - then it becomes more about "cash in vs cash out."

But of course the other major factor in writ sales is the specifics... not as many order of the hour helm motif pages out there as i would like to see.

BlazingDynamo

Did nobody figure this out on pts and *** to zos? If you have a maxed crafting character in everything master writs should be slapping you in the face. That's dedication and expensive to even accomplish.

Chirru

worsttankever wrote: »

I plan to skip master writs entirely . The whole housing hoopla infact.

Good idea

Maybe in a year or so the housing idea is worthwhile. Right now it is just a ZENI cash-cow and a ton of frustration.

Nebthet78

Yes, after doing the writs and not getting any master writs 3 days in a row, I have given up. I am tired of the RNG and Grind in this game. It's sucking the life out of it and is boring.

While I enjoy the housing to a point, I like designing the homes and placing the furniture, the grind is beginning to get to me, so I'm going to just go back to doing less and playing less otherwise everything is just going to become unenjoyable.

Auricle

Just curious, but has ZoS published any information about the drop rate of the master writs? Like if you have every single available motif and 9/9 traits are you guaranteed a writ every time or what?

Inklings

In 10 days i have received 91 master writs for a total of 983 vouchers. I run 20 characters a day through all 6 writs for a total of 120 writs a day. So yes i have a much larger pool to pull from then most of you but my experience should help shine a light on how many you are going to need to do, to obtain the master writ items you want. I have already shared this info in other master writ discussion threads but here is my first weeks break down for others that might want it.

https://twitter.com/Inklings_ESO/status/830812927871578115

Waffennacht

So... it's gonna take more than a week to complete the only content till Morrowind?

Shocker!

SanTii.92

Nope, not a joke. You just were unlucky.

Considering you can just buy another's person writs, i completly fail to undersrand your tantrum.

STEVIL

Waffennacht wrote: »

So... it's gonna take more than a week to complete the only content till Morrowind?

Shocker!

hey if they cant speed run to the end in six hours... its too long for some.

MasterSpatula

Waffennacht wrote: »

So... it's gonna take more than a week to complete the only content till Morrowind?

Shocker!

The "content" of a good housing system would be the creative personalization of your home. The process of acquiring the items to do be able to do this is the "content" in a bad housing system.

Which isn't to say that all decorations should be easy to acquire. Of course, there should be some really rare stuff that it feels awesome when you get to drop it in your domicile. The stuff it takes to make your home functional is not among those things.

Nebthet78

SanTii.92 wrote: »

Nope, not a joke. You just were unlucky.

Considering you can just buy another's person writs, i completly fail to undersrand your tantrum.

Who actually wants to buy another person's master writs for the insane price they are going for? So not worth it.

Cpt_Teemo

Inklings wrote: »

In 10 days i have received 91 master writs for a total of 983 vouchers. I run 20 characters a day through all 6 writs for a total of 120 writs a day. So yes i have a much larger pool to pull from then most of you but my experience should help shine a light on how many you are going to need to do, to obtain the master writ items you want. I have already shared this info in other master writ discussion threads but here is my first weeks break down for others that might want it.

https://twitter.com/Inklings_ESO/status/830812927871578115

wow, your odds are insane I run 7 chars now daily doing writs and haven't gotten one for the past 6 days. One is my master crafter with all my motifs (all but 3 full motifs, Akaviri and 2 new ones), also every trait except for 15 I believe.

Asardes

I see no reason to give up doing the daily crafting writs on my 3 crafting chars because master ones don't drop as often as I want. They still give me money as well as gold tempers and kutas pretty regularly and they are pretty fast, especially when using the lazy writ crafting add-on. I see the master writs more like a bonus then anything else. I will probably introduce a 4th crafting char in a month or so, after I fully train his combat skills, which always come first.

NewBlacksmurf

AlMcFly wrote: »

Reading people's results in this thread is very disheartening. I may just avoid it altogether until ZOS eases up the grind.

This is the approach I've taken since writs were added to the game.

I suggested writs be player requested as to add to the games economy and require a set COD so when w go to the board, we get one that we can complete based on known traits and motif.

This way writs actually have a purpose.
Technically you could even create your own writ but not get it to complete.

It addresses so many things ppl talk about regarding crafting and traders.

But instead ZOS goes and adds more arbitrary material sinks

@ZOS_RichLambert

When you all talk about stuff, why do you continue to add things to the game that contribute to the negative feedback topics.

Ppl complain about the RNG system and complain about crafting being lacking or rewarding. Ppl complain about the complexity and expense of gather materials and upgrade mats but noting has been added to benefit players.

It's only to remove materials from the game

jaye63

You wann fix it? Make a master writ board or add them to the existing writ boards. PERIOD. The RNG it takes to get them in the first place makes me think it was Whiskey Wednesday in the planning department.

svartorn

Fleshreaper wrote: »

I don't remember where I saw it but I read that the chances for master writs are based on crafting achievements. The more completed motif you have the better chance for a master writ.

So then since I know all motifs I should have gotten at least one then, right?

RIGHT?

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AzuraKin

Auricle wrote: »

Honestly, I was feeling optimistic about ZoS' attempts to make crafters more relevant until I realized that, ohhh wait, this is just another absurd grind. When did games become jobs?

uh, when game companies realized, put in grind, put in crown shop bypass to grind. $$$$

Cpt_Teemo

7th day no master writ wow, this rng is so stupid lol

wenchmore420b14_ESO

3 days, no writs. Total 4 writs since launch, total 18 vouchers. Ouch. RNG Gods hate me..
Edit Note: My main craftier knows 9 traits in all, 39/41 motifs, not counting new ones, all 553 recipes, and is maxed in all craft passives.

jaye63

Putting the master writs in the RNG of daily writs and not having one show up as a reward is a humiliating kick in the crotch after having spent half a year getting crafting almost to max. (traits being the only thing not maxed). Put the writs on the writ board. Still gonna need all of your crafting max. Still gonna need all of those materials that are rare. Still gonna have to go to specific stations and deliver to persons in each faction area. So it will still be a PITA. It just wont be based on the luck of RNG.

Loves_guars

I can confirm that they are joke, every day I log in, do the writs and laugh when I don't get any master writ with my master crafter after all the work that took me to prepare her for this.

Then I log out and I don't play anymore because the RNG killed all my love. But hey, I still laugh.

Gandrhulf_Harbard

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

@ZOS_RichLambert

When you all talk about stuff, why do you continue to add things to the game that contribute to the negative feedback topics.

Ppl complain about the RNG system and complain about crafting being lacking or rewarding. Ppl complain about the complexity and expense of gather materials and upgrade mats but noting has been added to benefit players.

It's only to remove materials from the game

^ This is what I don't understand.

Player complain that the game has too much RNG, that crafting is very material intensive already and lacks any real pay-off since Monster and Overland Sets came along.

ZeniMax solution: Add more RNG. Make crafting even more material intensive. Still not make crafting relevant to end-game

OH, and furniture crafting: why the hell does it cost more mats to make a Cup Candle Holder than it takes to make CP160 Chest piece? Where is the "logic" in that?

WTF illicit substance was in the water fountain the day of that meeting?

What was the premise for that meeting: How can we mess with Crafting to make it even less appealing than it already is, and to royally irritate half the playerbase?

All The Best