Master Craftin Writs a Joke?

bloodthirstyvampire

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

More like brokeNG.

I agree, seems the motifs & traits don't count at all from the looks of it

They do @ZOS_JessicaFolsom said it only in game motifs and full motifs count tho

Celas_Dranacea

When new things come out in his game I find it pretty easy to identify what aspects to get excited about and jump into and which to just not worry about.

Homestead has been really fun and I find it totally within my reach to make a few regular items each day that I play, slowly furnish my house etc.

The master writs on the other hand - I took one look at that and said, "yep - no way I'm going to worry about crafting stations or a target dummy."

It'll happen when it happens - I'm fine with letting go and realizing ZOS has reasons for making some aspects of this game a terrible grind.

Cpt_Teemo

ViciousVamps1 wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

More like brokeNG.

I agree, seems the motifs & traits don't count at all from the looks of it

They do @ZOS_JessicaFolsom said it only in game motifs and full motifs count tho

... for real I don't see it working at all I have all the motifs in game besides 3 and I haven't got one for the past 8 days.

TequilaFire

I had a thought, I have had a master writ quest open waiting to find a specific motif while doing other crafting writ quests.
Can someone confirm they have received a master writ drop while they have a master quest still open in the quest log?
May explain my abysmal luck.

STEVIL

To be clear they said the factors included were in game non crown only motifs completed, traits (completed) and achievements. One of the things i did heading into homestead in jan wasblook at the crafting achievements. Took grandmaster harvester to 10k. Did truly legendary. Etc. Focused on purple recipes. Made sure snd unlocked all potrncies and stones even haijeko. Again, achievements. They matter for the consumables esp where there arent traits and motifs.

Basically what zos seemed to want is for long term constant crafting to play a role as well as multiple crafts or all crafts on one char - another achievement.

So those factors plus a lot of daily writs run, lets rng happen "as intended."

Gordon906

WhitC1935 wrote: »

I have max'd crafters in all crafts. In the last six days I have done dailies in alll of them. So after doing 36 dailes (6 days x 6 crafts) I have received and completed only one Master Writ quest (Alchemy) and received 2 writs. in order to buy one crafting station for my house it will cost 250 writs. Something is badly out of whack with this system IMHO. I don't intend to waste any more raw materials on this futility.

6 days? thats alot of time : /

STEVIL

Axoinus wrote: »

Did one alchemy master writ and done. Cost-benefit fail. Just my opinon.

Axoinus wrote: »

Did one alchemy master writ and done. Cost-benefit fail. Just my opinon.

I agree with you completely and have the opposite opinion entirely.

Did four alchemy writs this am for 11 vouchers.

Every ingredient i used had three digits in its current quantity on my craft screen - except the poison solvent which had four digits. i take in way more alchemy ingredients than i use daily so the cost to me was nil and the gain was 11 vouchers closer to my "1500-1800v stockpile by morrowind" goal. Well within reach esp after they fix the provisioning bug.

On the other hand, if i was in a situation where alchemy ingredients were less populous, where i used more than i gathered and if i did not see a value in the voucher vendor items - i could reach a different value judgement altogether.

"Worth it or not" is always going to come down to priorities and resources and they will vary from person to person with no single objective answer. Since time is the most valuable resource - the time frame and pace will also play a huge role in folks decisions. i am fine with pursuing this goal and content even thru to morrowind and beyond but others want quicker payouts and more in and done play so... again subjective value.

Fortunately almost all of the game is quick rewards and done content so there is something for everybody - now.

Enemy-of-Coldharbour

TequilaFire wrote: »

I had a thought, I have had a master writ quest open waiting to find a specific motif while doing other crafting writ quests.
Can someone confirm they have received a master writ drop while they have a master quest still open in the quest log?
May explain my abysmal luck.

I have.

Slurg

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

I had a thought, I have had a master writ quest open waiting to find a specific motif while doing other crafting writ quests.
Can someone confirm they have received a master writ drop while they have a master quest still open in the quest log?
May explain my abysmal luck.

I have.

I have also.

For anyone who isn't already aware, the new writ goes straight to inventory when you open the box if you already have an active master writ in that category.

lientier

STEVIL wrote: »

To be clear they said the factors included were in game non crown only motifs completed, traits (completed) and achievements. One of the things i did heading into homestead in jan wasblook at the crafting achievements. Took grandmaster harvester to 10k. Did truly legendary. Etc. Focused on purple recipes. Made sure snd unlocked all potrncies and stones even haijeko. Again, achievements. They matter for the consumables esp where there arent traits and motifs.

the pain is.. lots of people all have this.. but dont get so lucky..

lientier

phairdon wrote: »

ATM they are not bankable so you can't transfer them between chars.

you can still send them to someone else you trst to return them.. and get them with another character..
I also thought I banked mine once to transfer. not sure though..

STEVIL

lientier wrote: »

phairdon wrote: »

ATM they are not bankable so you can't transfer them between chars.

you can still send them to someone else you trst to return them.. and get them with another character..
I also thought I banked mine once to transfer. not sure though..

Master writs ARE bankable.
Vouchers are not.

Cpt_Teemo

9th day 0 writs, 7 master crafters again.

Cpt_Teemo

10th day, all 8 chars now 0 writs again.

Evergnar

I'm experiencing the same thing. 1 writ worth 6v in 6 days. Maybe coincidence but as soon as I used my vouchers to buy something I quit getting them.

Cpt_Teemo

Evergnar wrote: »

I'm experiencing the same thing. 1 writ worth 6v in 6 days. Maybe coincidence but as soon as I used my vouchers to buy something I quit getting them.

Yeah its pretty dumb tbh seeing the same people spamming different very high vouchers every single day, first day 185, then 198, 225, 285, 270, 250 etc.. same account every day lol

Zypheran

STEVIL wrote: »

After what now - 10 days since launch - i just finished my full workshop - all seven stations - in the house and still have about 50 vouchers to spare.

Thanks to a 122 voucher writ this morning which put me over the top in an otherwise lousy writ day.

less than 2 weeks in and first major goal for the writs accomplished with a price tag of 245 vouchers.

How fast should this have been if 10 days is grossly too long?
24 hours?.
5 mins?
Free once downloaded for everybody?

"We've worked hard to introduce challenges for the crafter who has everything, and introduce substantial rewards to match these challenges."

next goal - six attunable blanks (two each equip) ready to attune by Morrowind with a stretch goal of the ebony motif.

Likely can get there.

I'm sorry but this attitude kinda annoys me. Many people are having issues with the RNG associated with master craft writs and are not experiencing the same drop rate as you. If everybody was able to get enough writs to craft all of the stations in two weeks, people wouldn't be complaining.
I for one have 2 master craters, 8-9 traits in everything and most of the motifs. I've done the writs everyday and I haven't got a single writ.... that's the issue for most of the people complaining. RNGesus only has enough love for his chosen few!

Cpt_Teemo

Getting a bit tired of this so called "Rng" 11 days with 8 chars every day, not one master writ.

Main char 6 writs a day, 7 Chars 4 writs a day.

34 writs a day for the past 11 days, not one master writ this has to be some biased rng.

Gandrhulf_Harbard

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Getting a bit tired of this so called "Rng" 11 days with 8 chars every day, not one master writ.

Main char 6 writs a day, 7 Chars 4 writs a day.

34 writs a day for the past 11 days, not one master writ this has to be some biased rng.

You have to understand how RNG works.

There has to be a baseline input - and in most RNG gaming algorithms that is something like Player I.D. - and that does not change.

So some players (with IDs that lead to lucky results) will ALWAYS get lucky results and some player (with IDs that lead to unlucky results) will always get unlucky results.

Which is why RNG is such a lazy and badly designed way to do things.

All The Best

Cpt_Teemo

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Getting a bit tired of this so called "Rng" 11 days with 8 chars every day, not one master writ.

Main char 6 writs a day, 7 Chars 4 writs a day.

34 writs a day for the past 11 days, not one master writ this has to be some biased rng.

You have to understand how RNG works.

There has to be a baseline input - and in most RNG gaming algorithms that is something like Player I.D. - and that does not change.

So some players (with IDs that lead to lucky results) will ALWAYS get lucky results and some player (with IDs that lead to unlucky results) will always get unlucky results.

Which is why RNG is such a lazy and badly designed way to do things.

All The Best

Yeah I heard some games went by name ID maybe that's why I see most of the same people spamming new master writs every day pretty stupid tbh

eagles9595b16_ESO

I feel for you guys...

I knew from the begining that I would skip all the house things.
It's cool for those who have fun with it but it's not my thing.

Even before they released the last patch I foreseen the "waste of time and mats" things.
A house where you can craft everything at a high cost and no personnal chest.. no thanks.

Even if they do add a chest after all comments posted I tell you that ZOS will make sure that you pay for it... in time, mats and patience.

Enjoy guys

Titansteele

I am usually very even tempered, it takes a lot for me to get hot under the collar. This weekend I stormed away from my PC after I realised that I spent 4 hours doing writs and stuff around master writs. (I spent over an hour searching for a Motif to craft some legs that bagged me a whopping 7 vouchers). As someone else has aptly said before me - This feels like work, not fun!

Since the launch of homestead I have been doing writs on 4 characters every day, each one level 50 in crafting and has all the relevant skills to go with it.

I have had master writs but they are all frustrating useless, 2 vouchers is a damn insult! I would say that 10 vouchers so be the lowest reward possible.
I have 37 vouchers after all that effort and time. 37!!!

With a smug look upon her face, my lovely wife having done the same amount of writs has bagged well over 600 vouchers. Her RNG is clearly stronger than mine or maybe the RNG is sexist? All my characters are male? Perhaps the RNG just prefers the female form? We mush research this!

DrkHunter86

WhitC1935 wrote: »

I have max'd crafters in all crafts. In the last six days I have done dailies in alll of them. So after doing 36 dailes (6 days x 6 crafts) I have received and completed only one Master Writ quest (Alchemy) and received 2 writs. in order to buy one crafting station for my house it will cost 250 writs. Something is badly out of whack with this system IMHO. I don't intend to waste any more raw materials on this futility.

Yeah you remember when regular crafting writs where viable for acquiring gold mats. I used too do them 7 days a week. Always made time too log in at least long enough too do them and usually got at least half a dozen various gold mats. Now I get maybe 2 or 3 a week when I'm lucky. Rngeezus really is a spiteful mmo god lol.

OrphanHelgen

I have one main character with all research done and most of the motifs. I get master writ maybe every other day. On my alt which have decent motifs and research, I get quite often as well. Other alts I never get on.

SirSocke

140 craftingdaylies with mastercrafters and 52 vouchers so far...

STEVIL

Zypheran wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

After what now - 10 days since launch - i just finished my full workshop - all seven stations - in the house and still have about 50 vouchers to spare.

Thanks to a 122 voucher writ this morning which put me over the top in an otherwise lousy writ day.

less than 2 weeks in and first major goal for the writs accomplished with a price tag of 245 vouchers.

How fast should this have been if 10 days is grossly too long?
24 hours?.
5 mins?
Free once downloaded for everybody?

"We've worked hard to introduce challenges for the crafter who has everything, and introduce substantial rewards to match these challenges."

next goal - six attunable blanks (two each equip) ready to attune by Morrowind with a stretch goal of the ebony motif.

Likely can get there.

I'm sorry but this attitude kinda annoys me. Many people are having issues with the RNG associated with master craft writs and are not experiencing the same drop rate as you. If everybody was able to get enough writs to craft all of the stations in two weeks, people wouldn't be complaining.
I for one have 2 master craters, 8-9 traits in everything and most of the motifs. I've done the writs everyday and I haven't got a single writ.... that's the issue for most of the people complaining. RNGesus only has enough love for his chosen few!

i notice you dont mention achievements - the bigger long term ones.
truly legendary?
10k nodes grandmaster harvester?
potency master - including hajeiko?

In my experience weighted RNG may favor certain things over other things but rarely favors individuals just because they have different names. no analyst would look at the piecemeal info here and conclude "RNG just likes some people."
Especially knowing they did motifs as all or nothing - dont know one piece - motif not counting - and wondering how much that also ia applied to trait-8 vs trait-9 and lesser levels of achievements.

Its just easy to assume you aren't responsible at all in any way for lack of output and there is nothing you can do about it and its just fate or RNGesus.... its also just totally unproductive.

i have had days with only one writ worth two vouchers now, i have alaso had days with 3-4 writs and days with well over 100 vouchers.

i also keep an eye out in guild stores and watch for decent options there.

fretting about RNGesus is not gonna get you any closer to whatever the goal you have in doing these writs is... but there are options other than fretting that are more productive.

IMO YMMV all that jazz.

Lore_lai

MFW...
My full crafter feels extremely rewarded when I have researched everything, have a bunch of motifs, do writs religiously and maybe, MAAAAAAYBE - get a 2 voucher master writ once in a blue moon. Heck - I've gotten better master writs on my alts with NO research/motifs than on my main.
Then my friend who has almost no research and just randomly does one writ - BAM 70+ master writ.

Your system is not working properly - something is either messed up with how much the research/motif knowledge is weighted in favor of people who put work into it, or the RNG layer is much too strong.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

kewl

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

There's a threefold problem here.

1. Scarcity of Master Writs
2. The extortionate material cost in fulfilling the Writ
3. The abysmally poor payoff for doing so.

Any one of those "features" would be bad enough in any MMORPG worthy of being called a Triple A game.
Any 2 combined would amlost be as bad as a typical Korean Grinder.
All three! Now that's a new low for Western MMORPGs.

ZeniMax aren't even trying to hide when they are incentivising us to take the grind-short-cut and head to the Crown Store. That's how little respect they have for us.

There's only one way to turn the tables on ZeniMax for this, but I doubt enough players would be up for it.
Stop engaging with the Homestead system, and refuse to buy anything (at all) from the Crown Store.
If enough of us do that for 3 months - so they see a hit on their quarterly reports - then they will have to change tack.

To make Master Writs even marginally worthwhile they need to be twice as common, with half the material cost and three times the current payoff.

All The Best

Well said.

Inklings

Inklings wrote: »

In 10 days i have received 91 master writs for a total of 983 vouchers. I run 20 characters a day through all 6 writs for a total of 120 writs a day. So yes i have a much larger pool to pull from then most of you but my experience should help shine a light on how many you are going to need to do, to obtain the master writ items you want. I have already shared this info in other master writ discussion threads but here is my first weeks break down for others that might want it.

https://twitter.com/Inklings_ESO/status/830812927871578115

To continue, with first weeks numbers quoted for reference. Here are my numbers from week #2. 56 Master Writs for 577 Vouchers. Here they are, broken down by category.

STEVIL

kewl wrote: »

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

There's a threefold problem here.

1. Scarcity of Master Writs
2. The extortionate material cost in fulfilling the Writ
3. The abysmally poor payoff for doing so.

Any one of those "features" would be bad enough in any MMORPG worthy of being called a Triple A game.
Any 2 combined would amlost be as bad as a typical Korean Grinder.
All three! Now that's a new low for Western MMORPGs.

ZeniMax aren't even trying to hide when they are incentivising us to take the grind-short-cut and head to the Crown Store. That's how little respect they have for us.

There's only one way to turn the tables on ZeniMax for this, but I doubt enough players would be up for it.
Stop engaging with the Homestead system, and refuse to buy anything (at all) from the Crown Store.
If enough of us do that for 3 months - so they see a hit on their quarterly reports - then they will have to change tack.

To make Master Writs even marginally worthwhile they need to be twice as common, with half the material cost and three times the current payoff.

All The Best

Well said.

really? Rather than go for a boycoot approach if i felt master writs were that useless and offered so little value, i would just sell them for tons of gold in the store or chat.

i mean they sell for thousands per voucher and why not just look at them as massive windfalls that drop once in a while for tier-10 crafters that you sell off to those with different preferences than you?

if you think the writs take six times the materials they should based on their payout (half the material cost and triple the payouts) then just sell them for big gold to suckers like me.

i do that all the time with impen gear. i load it into the guild stores for about double what i would ask for infused or divines and it moves. i dont go round waxing on about organizing boycotts until they make impen six times better or drop less often.

your tier-10 writs used to not drop any special order you could sell for the values that you can sell the master writs. Now they do. yet people act like someone kicked their dog with outrage that the new added freebie needs to be six times better or else we boycott.

interesting story

studies have been done.

put two folks in a room
give one of them ten ten dollar bills.
That money is his to keep if and only if the two of them can come to an agreeable split. That split can be 100-0 or 90-10 or 50-50 or anything they want but both have to agree on the final split.
they have 10m.
if they dont agree the money is forfeit.
pretty consistently ~33% of the pairs forfeit the money.


for some reason boycott until they drop twice as often with half the cost and triple the payoff reminded me of those studies.