Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Loomis wrote: »

Unless your in certain trade guilds it's not an advantageous system for over half the population ...

But if your in a guild in one of the top spots I can see why you would never want it to change

I just sell stuff to merchants I do t need at this point and the system wastes to much of what game time I have to go on an Easter egg hunt to try to find it ... so I either try to find it or do without now

Exactly, I bet atleast 80% of these people that want to keep guild traders are those that are in the top end monopoly guilds that run one main hub. Also from the looks of it having a global server wide auction house / market takes far less maintenance and can also find exploits much faster.

@Kyle1983b14_ESO
I think you're waaay off with that assumption.

Also with the assumptions that any global system is less maintenance and that it finds exploits faster.

QUEZ420 wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

AFrostWolf wrote: »

Global auction house gives everyone an equal and fair chance to have access to the market. Why it's not part of an MMO baffles me....

2nd, every MMO game i've played has a centralized server market place / Ah.

3rd, its worked numerous times in the past in mutiple different games. Ur system is flawed n has been since it wuz introduced. Server wide auction house with AH vendors in every major city n central hubs. With instanced shardes lag is not the issue its ZOS! Make it happen!

@QUEZ420 @Kyle1983b14_ESO @AFrostWolf
4th
None of you know what you're saying

1. It doesn't give everyone an equal and fair chance. What actually happens is the person who has the most money buys up stuff and sets the prices to make more money than they spent. It's why u all complain about traders but you're asking to make it worse

2. Every MMO I've played has one. And yet you're here. Also see #1 above
3. See#1 but also understand if you centralize things everyone can't use this all at once. The server would literally crash and the UI would glitch out cause it's too much being added and removed simultaneously. You'd just sit there while things load and load and select to buy...error. List items....error Item not found.....reload
4. Again none of you know what you're saying because what you're complaining about and hoping to negate....you'd actually make worse

What good is having an auction house if everyone can list items...hundreds of thousands of ppl from any trader if all it leads to is trying to buy low and sale hi.

At least now ppl actually use it as a market vs an auction house which is the wrong term. You all are describing a stock market system.

That's not what other MMOs offer cause they have NA at different servers with unlinked systems. The only game that linked millions was Diablo 3 and that was a disaster

Global auction house wouldn't work here.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

QUEZ420 wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

AFrostWolf wrote: »

Global auction house gives everyone an equal and fair chance to have access to the market. Why it's not part of an MMO baffles me....

2nd, every MMO game i've played has a centralized server market place / Ah.

3rd, its worked numerous times in the past in mutiple different games. Ur system is flawed n has been since it wuz introduced. Server wide auction house with AH vendors in every major city n central hubs. With instanced shardes lag is not the issue its ZOS! Make it happen!

@QUEZ420 @Kyle1983b14_ESO @AFrostWolf
4th
None of you know what you're saying

Right back at you. There are games that charge a listing price based on the offer price. Players don't price objects high above a market rate because if they do no one buys what they're selling and they risk netting negative income if priced too high. The servers in the games are stable. Saying that things will happen to the contrary doesn't magically make them so.

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

QUEZ420 wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

AFrostWolf wrote: »

Global auction house gives everyone an equal and fair chance to have access to the market. Why it's not part of an MMO baffles me....

2nd, every MMO game i've played has a centralized server market place / Ah.

3rd, its worked numerous times in the past in mutiple different games. Ur system is flawed n has been since it wuz introduced. Server wide auction house with AH vendors in every major city n central hubs. With instanced shardes lag is not the issue its ZOS! Make it happen!

@QUEZ420 @Kyle1983b14_ESO @AFrostWolf
4th
None of you know what you're saying

1. It doesn't give everyone an equal and fair chance. What actually happens is the person who has the most money buys up stuff and sets the prices to make more money than they spent. It's why u all complain about traders but you're asking to make it worse

2. Every MMO I've played has one. And yet you're here. Also see #1 above
3. See#1 but also understand if you centralize things everyone can't use this all at once. The server would literally crash and the UI would glitch out cause it's too much being added and removed simultaneously. You'd just sit there while things load and load and select to buy...error. List items....error Item not found.....reload
4. Again none of you know what you're saying because what you're complaining about and hoping to negate....you'd actually make worse

What good is having an auction house if everyone can list items...hundreds of thousands of ppl from any trader if all it leads to is trying to buy low and sale hi.

At least now ppl actually use it as a market vs an auction house which is the wrong term. You all are describing a stock market system.

That's not what other MMOs offer cause they have NA at different servers with unlinked systems. The only game that linked millions was Diablo 3 and that was a disaster

Global auction house wouldn't work here.

Its already been going on since TTC started the all around global website to show where everything's at. TTC is a centralized auction house as it is you just type in what you want and it basically shows when its on sale but doesn't show when it sold.

How is that different than a normalized server wide auction house / market place?

Also you do notice the huge price ranges on TTC as well, people bought up orc motifs for 9k and selling for 99k, IE: Reselling as it is done in every other MMO to date. So your talk on "Fair and Equal chance" also holds no value with guild traders as well.

@Kyle1983b14_ESO

No it's only impacting a few cause ppl can't be in more than 5 guilds. AND you're assuming the PC environment follows PS4 and Xbox one.

But do I not ice the huge prices as I can play pc or Xbox one. No cause I stopped using the pyramid scheme (traders) largely. I'll occasionally pick up this or that cause I'm passing one while questing but otherwise no

I've been in the top trading guilds and it's as simple as not participating and instead joining real guilds and trading and playing...help one help all focus

Get out of the rat race....it's a choice

Global Auction house hands down, but unfortunately, I don't believe ESO will ever have those. I've heard some horror stories of behind the scenes activities and the politics of guild trader bidding and really, if ZOS knew half the junk that is going on, they would close down the system..

(maybe already proposed, i didn't read everything)
A "semi-global" auction house in the main city of each faction, only regrouping guilds that own a merchant for the week.
-> we keep guild traders
-> we just don't have to run all over the world

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Another poll that tells us nothing.

Guessing your one of those top end guilds that hold a monopoly?

@Kyle1983b14_ESO

LOL, no, I am not in a top trading guild. I am in a good one, but certainly not one of the top. Also, none hold a monopoly though I can often find better prices in the more active areas. I do find the monopoly comment, well, interesting, since it is impossible to happen considering members have on interest, selling items to make gold.

I am just glad ESO chose to not have the stale central trading kiosk that is so easy for players and gold sellers to manipulate.

But I do find it interesting that so many ask for an actual auction house of which is the worst trading system I have seen, only seen it in one game. Horrible idea and ESO will never go for that, ever. Having to wait for bidding process to end or for someone to purchase at the buyout price is lame.

There's your problem, 99% of MMO's use a centralized server wide AH and it has been working for them since start to finish, heck even F2p browser games have a Market place too.

Loomis wrote: »

Unless your in certain trade guilds it's not an advantageous system for over half the population ...

But if your in a guild in one of the top spots I can see why you would never want it to change

I just sell stuff to merchants I do t need at this point and the system wastes to much of what game time I have to go on an Easter egg hunt to try to find it ... so I either try to find it or do without now

You see this is why the people already in a high end trade guild want the system to stay the same.

People like you and me, and thousands of others, who don't have Trade access we just vendor the stuff we don't want/need/have room to store. A few weeks ago I joined a guild, and started messing with the Guild Store to get an idea on prices. I now know that in the week prior to me joining that guild I vendored stuff for 80g that sells on Kiosks for 200k+.

And as long as there are players who have no option but to vendor stuff the prices for those items will stay artificially high - making sure those trade guilds stay rich.

Some of them think they are "expert traders" most of them aren't. Any fool can make money in a rigged market - and by denying thousands of traders access to the market to sell the ESO Kiosk system is a rigged market.

The reason many high end traders want the system to stay the same is because they are afraid they won't cut it in a genuinely competitive market.

Open the market up to genuine competition, let's see who knows how to "play the game" then. But one thing I guarantee will happen - most prices will drop by 20-30%.

All The Best

Screw guild traders and the pressure of having to sell a specific amounts or otherwise be kicked

in the beginning of guild traders I disliked it so much, now I come to enjoy it for the travels and seeing other places from time to time, exploring and going on a treasure hunts in guild traders is fun.

and it keeps the economy in check, I have seen AH in other mmos, where the rich people just keeps buying stuff, and putting it back into the AH for resell at a higher price, this goes on in this game as well I know, but its so much time consuming for them to do it.

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

DagmarSLNY wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

QUEZ420 wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

AFrostWolf wrote: »

Global auction house gives everyone an equal and fair chance to have access to the market. Why it's not part of an MMO baffles me....

2nd, every MMO game i've played has a centralized server market place / Ah.

3rd, its worked numerous times in the past in mutiple different games. Ur system is flawed n has been since it wuz introduced. Server wide auction house with AH vendors in every major city n central hubs. With instanced shardes lag is not the issue its ZOS! Make it happen!

@QUEZ420 @Kyle1983b14_ESO @AFrostWolf
4th
None of you know what you're saying

Right back at you. There are games that charge a listing price based on the offer price. Players don't price objects high above a market rate because if they do no one buys what they're selling and they risk netting negative income if priced too high. The servers in the games are stable. Saying that things will happen to the contrary doesn't magically make them so.

@DagmarSLNY

Literally the reason you and others are arguing for a global ah is cause what....

It's not fair cause only the elite few have traders?
Cause someone told you traders is the only way to make money selling stuff?
Cause it takes too long to find stuff cause traders are sprea out?
Cause you have to be in a guild and pay fees to win a trader?

Insert whatever the reason is.....they all aren't solved by a global ah. Literally the issue now is the Rich control the traders.

So if u remove the traders and have one market. Those who control traders then will control the market.

Why would you suggest this

There are few that control the market in every MMO's centralized AH market system per server, but no one cares the AH method still works that's why 99% of online MMO games use it.

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Another poll that tells us nothing.

Guessing your one of those top end guilds that hold a monopoly?

@Kyle1983b14_ESO

LOL, no, I am not in a top trading guild. I am in a good one, but certainly not one of the top. Also, none hold a monopoly though I can often find better prices in the more active areas. I do find the monopoly comment, well, interesting, since it is impossible to happen considering members have on interest, selling items to make gold.

I am just glad ESO chose to not have the stale central trading kiosk that is so easy for players and gold sellers to manipulate.

But I do find it interesting that so many ask for an actual auction house of which is the worst trading system I have seen, only seen it in one game. Horrible idea and ESO will never go for that, ever. Having to wait for bidding process to end or for someone to purchase at the buyout price is lame.

There's your problem, 99% of MMO's use a centralized server wide AH and it has been working for them since start to finish, heck even F2p browser games have a Market place too.

While you and others continue to reference other games. Those other games aren't on a mega server AND their population is split by factions per server.

You all really have no concept of what you're saying because your complaints or what you identify as the problem would only be enhanced and made worse.

However keep crying....and you'll prob get it but don't cry after it comes and you see what I've been saying all along.

I wonder if all the people who voted for the current system ever tried to buy something like a rare Cyrodiil set item before One Tamriel or a rare provisioning recipe from guild traders. Have fun wasting dozens of hours only to find that no one is currently selling it. Even if you want to buy something like a chapter of a purple motif now it's such a painful activity to browse through those guild stores with the default UI (and the Awesome Guildstore addon makes it a bit less painful on PC, but due to the waiting time of 5 seconds every time you want to load a new page of 100 items, it still feels like using an internet browser in 199x with a really really slow dial up connection).

GaldorP wrote: »

I wonder if all the people who voted for the current system ever tried to buy something like a rare Cyrodiil set item before One Tamriel or a rare provisioning recipe from guild traders. Have fun wasting dozens of hours only to find that no one is currently selling it. Even if you want to buy something like a chapter of a purple motif now it's such a painful activity to browse through those guild stores with the default UI (and the Awesome Guildstore addon makes it a bit less painful on PC, but due to the waiting time of 5 seconds every time you want to load a new page of 100 items, it still feels like using an internet browser in 199x with a really really slow dial up connection).

@GaldorP

You'd be surprised to know that real guilds obtain and sale these or give them to guildies outside of the store.

Everyone doesn't play the game trying to see how much money they can make off others.
Real guilds help one another in all facets of the game. It may take a while to find a good fit and large guild but they exist.

Turelus wrote: »

GaldorP wrote: »

I wonder if all the people who voted for the current system ever tried to buy something like a rare Cyrodiil set item before One Tamriel or a rare provisioning recipe from guild traders. Have fun wasting dozens of hours only to find that no one is currently selling it. Even if you want to buy something like a chapter of a purple motif now it's such a painful activity to browse through those guild stores with the default UI (and the Awesome Guildstore addon makes it a bit less painful on PC, but due to the waiting time of 5 seconds every time you want to load a new page of 100 items, it still feels like using an internet browser in 199x with a really really slow dial up connection).

Again, here as said it seems your problem is with the EU and search (globally) features and not the traders themselves.

So rather than have the current system wiped out would it not be better to isolate the issues with this system and address them. Better/Faster UI would be a huge start to this, as well as systems which help smaller guilds and clear up any foul play.

In the current system I rip off people selling gold mats for 10k gold each, but I need to waste hours if I'm looking for something rare to buy. I would rather have a global trading platform.