What Trade System Would You Prefer?

NewBlacksmurf

Guild Traders

Nestor wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

I disagree for Xbox one at least.
Ppl are doing just fine in these trading Xbox one clubs. I just saw one with over 23,000 members in it so to explain.

Your telling me there is a website out there with near 150,000 listings that is updated in almost real time so that people can see what is being bought and sold in 45 of the 171 kiosks in the game?

Link please. Because I have yet to see a trading site that is any kind of up to date.

@Nestor

It's not a website. It's part of the Xbox live social.
You have to get on Xbox one and join one of the many clubs who do this.

So far I've seen
ESO
ARK
GTA
Neverwinter
Etc...etc


I don't know the club max member count but it's over 25,000 members per club and you can be in at least 10 per gamertag

It does post real time
You can also join them via the social to party chat, mag on their post which alerts them.
Mag then via a PM or use game mail.


It's very different but an option

http://support.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/xbox-live/join-club


Oh and it has LFG too. We can even set lfg up to a week out in the club or under the game outside of a club for all to see or make it private

akl77

Global Auction House

@NewBlacksmurf

Those things are the things that actually gets sold, so I keeps supplying them, I sell cheaper than anyone else by comparing market prices, as I've shopped enough to know what sells for how much. If things don't sell after 3 days or so I take it down make it even cheaper, if it's gear that don't sell I decon instead of selling.

Nestor

Guild Traders

That is why I don't see it, don't have an Xbox1.....

How do things get updated, is it automatically through an API? Or is it user updated?

Danksta

Guild Traders

Just plz give me a f'n search function! PLZ!

Cpt_Teemo

Mobile Auction Horse

Danksta wrote: »

Just plz give me a f'n search function! PLZ!

Advanced Guildstore addon

Danksta

Guild Traders

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

Just plz give me a f'n search function! PLZ!

Advanced Guildstore addon

Yea yea

Karius_Imalthar

I have a better idea! (post your idea in the comments)

Guild traders... but it could use some improvements. I can't imagine anything being sold on some of the guild traders out in the middle of nowhere. With the ridiculously high competition for the in-city vendors, more of these outside ones could be moved in, making it better for the sellers, less price hiking on the vendor bids, and more convenient for the people shopping.

Nestor

Guild Traders

Karius_Imalthar wrote: »

Guild traders... but it could use some improvements. I can't imagine anything being sold on some of the guild traders out in the middle of nowhere.

I picked up a Purple Necropotence Ring on an out of the way trader for 1K this morning. It's where you find the bargains.

Gandrhulf_Harbard

I have a better idea! (post your idea in the comments)

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

So you want to create more messages and potentially contribute to the server bandwidth strain?

Yeah because an AH is so bandwitdth intensive other games just crumble under the data-load. Oh, wait, no they don't.

In fact I bet EVERY single MMORPG out there that has better player numbers, and player satisfaction than ESO actually has an AH.

And your previous point about players only being able to list 10 or so items is so laughable I can only assume you have never played any other MMORPG. I can't think of one single premier MMORPG that has such low limits. Off the top of my head SWTOR allows me 60 listings.

And why is it this debate seems to assume that we can have the current broken Kiosk system or an AH system that some claim is even more broken.

Are they the only two options out there? No.

Is there scope to radically overhaul the Kiosk system to offer improved market access to ALL players, and more UI functionality and it still NOT be a centralised AH? Of course there is.

The ONLY people supporting the status quo are the 15-20% of players who benefit from being in a high-end Trade Guild.

Everyone else is getting the smelly end of the stick and being told to like it because there's nothing better.

The Trade Guild / Kiosk system is still, by far, the biggest weakness of the game, and its biggest failing.

I personally know of 12 players who tired ESO and left because there was no way for them to dispose of loot they did not want other than vendoring it for laughably low prices. And these are players that Sub for games, even games that have F2P options.

Can Zeni really afford that kind of potential revenue loss just to appease a tiny minority who benefit from a rigged market?

All The Best

Cpt_Teemo

Mobile Auction Horse

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

So you want to create more messages and potentially contribute to the server bandwidth strain?

Yeah because an AH is so bandwitdth intensive other games just crumble under the data-load. Oh, wait, no they don't.

In fact I bet EVERY single MMORPG out there that has better player numbers, and player satisfaction than ESO actually has an AH.

And your previous point about players only being able to list 10 or so items is so laughable I can only assume you have never played any other MMORPG. I can't think of one single premier MMORPG that has such low limits. Off the top of my head SWTOR allows me 60 listings.

And why is it this debate seems to assume that we can have the current broken Kiosk system or an AH system that some claim is even more broken.

Are they the only two options out there? No.

Is there scope to radically overhaul the Kiosk system to offer improved market access to ALL players, and more UI functionality and it still NOT be a centralised AH? Of course there is.

The ONLY people supporting the status quo are the 15-20% of players who benefit from being in a high-end Trade Guild.

Everyone else is getting the smelly end of the stick and being told to like it because there's nothing better.

The Trade Guild / Kiosk system is still, by far, the biggest weakness of the game, and its biggest failing.

I personally know of 12 players who tired ESO and left because there was no way for them to dispose of loot they did not want other than vendoring it for laughably low prices. And these are players that Sub for games, even games that have F2P options.

Can Zeni really afford that kind of potential revenue loss just to appease a tiny minority who benefit from a rigged market?

All The Best

You can get unlocks for Swtor that allow 100 listings per character on the server.

lillybit

I don't really care what it is but please, for the love of Talos, make it searchable!!

Gandrhulf_Harbard

I have a better idea! (post your idea in the comments)

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

You can get unlocks for Swtor that allow 100 listings per character on the server.

There we go, a revenue Stream for Zeni.

Give us all 20, 30, 40 listings for free, and then let us unlock more listing slots via the Crown Store.

Zeni makes money.
More players get to trade.
The in-game market gets a much needed, and long over due correction.

All The Best

NewBlacksmurf

Guild Traders

Nestor wrote: »

That is why I don't see it, don't have an Xbox1.....

How do things get updated, is it automatically through an API? Or is it user updated?

@Nestor

No need to update anything.
Ppl literally screen shot X for sale or they type it out.

These primarily are ppl who don't use traders.
But also ppl screenshot X or Y for sale at ....trader too

I do k ow clubs work on win 10 PC but because this game isn't aligned you'd not have the full functionality that the console version uses.

Ppl could prob figure out a way to use one drive or something or just text and have PC clubs. It also offer voice party chat if ppl set up their atuff.


Not sure if u have to buy Xbox live gold tho as I've always had it

Ravereth

Global Auction House

Guys, its some kind of golden mean. Just improve existing trade system.

How?

Make new option - rework Bank NPCs - add possibility to search in all trade guilds from one place - from Bank NPCs.

1. You can search and buy any item from any trade guild in Tamriel just using Bank NPCs.
But if You like to walking/horsing simulator (from trade guild vendor to trade guild vendor) - that's ok, You can do it.

2. You can only sell items in trade guilds you are member. (Optional: add one or two more slots for guilds OR allow ppl to sell more items per trade guild, 10-20 additional slots for items).

It's a simple solution and should satisfy anyone of Us, imho.

And this way:
Full respect for ppl, who like game in game - trader simulator.
Full respect for ppl, who don't want to waste time for looking for one item in entire Tamriel.
Full respect for ppl, who like walking/horsing simulator, coz Tamriel is rly beautiful World.

Just chill. Make ingame Houses, not forum wars.




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@ZOS_JessicaFolsom

@Everybody

Nestor

Guild Traders

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

No need to update anything.
Ppl literally screen shot X for sale or they type it out.

These primarily are ppl who don't use traders.
But also ppl screenshot X or Y for sale at ....trader too

I do k ow clubs work on win 10 PC but because this game isn't aligned you'd not have the full functionality that the console version uses.

Ppl could prob figure out a way to use one drive or something or just text and have PC clubs. It also offer voice party chat if ppl set up their atuff.


Not sure if u have to buy Xbox live gold tho as I've always had it

Ahh, manual updates with the lags and errors of omission those entail. I was wondering if somehow someone had cracked the API and was using that to drive a website. So, this is not really different from some earlier attempts on the PC. It only works for the ones who take the time to update it and the information is only as good as the updates. Which is pretty much the same as what we have on the PC with Master Merchant and TTC so even with those mature and popular addons, they are still limited to either the 5 guilds were are in or the people who run the addon.

VoRaVeLi

Tabbycat wrote: »

The system as is, a global Auction House, a mobile Auction Horse, or Pawn Brokers in place of the current Guild Traders that everyone can access. Pawn Brokers would function similar to how Guild Traders do now except they would not be locked by a single Trade Guild.

Global Auction House is cool for people that are totally broke and wanna drag the cost of all items down to the level they can afford.

Sellers will have to take a short on what they are selling since they will have to compete with EVERYONE else. So item prices will constantly go down.

Buyers will be happy that items are cheaper... Buyers also won't have as much gold since the stuff they are selling won't net them anywhere near as much....

Still sound like a good idea?

Please quit giving bad info to zos this would be a horrible change.

For people complaining about the ui there are add on's that make it much easier.

srfrogg23

Global Auction House

I'm fine with a global auction house. The guild traders are nice for the tycoon types, but as a consumer oriented player it gets a bit cumbersome trying to shop around.

I feel like I spend more time looking at menus than anything while I'm shopping. It'd be nice to have all items consolidated into a single searchable UI for easier browsing.

Either that, or the trading guilds should just start focusing on selling specific types of wares and advertising appropriately. You know, like Autozone and Home Depot.

Bonzodog01

I have a better idea! (post your idea in the comments)

Ok, its been proven in the last 48 hour that the Guild Trader market is being rigged and cornered by people with far more gold than morals or sense. In some cities, all guild traders are taken by an allied conglomerate of people all working and colluding together. smaller guilds have NO chance.

Likewise, in my previous experience of 15 other MMO's, the global auction house is easy to rig and fix, when players wiht more gold than they know what to do with, corner the market and drive up prices deliberately by buying out all other listing of a set item.

So, we need individual traders, and this can be done with the new Housing system.

Everyone that "owns" that property can list on the house trader who stands outside it. However, only the medium and upwards houses actually have a trader. On top of this, keep the guild traders, but instead of it being weekly, make it per month, and place a cap on the amount that anyone can bid for a trader.

On top of ALL of this, place a cap on prices of items on traders - Cryptic are just introducing an idea now where no-one can sell an item for more than 50% above its in-game vendor price on their auction house. This seems like a damned good idea.

NewBlacksmurf

Guild Traders

Nestor wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

No need to update anything.
Ppl literally screen shot X for sale or they type it out.

These primarily are ppl who don't use traders.
But also ppl screenshot X or Y for sale at ....trader too

I do k ow clubs work on win 10 PC but because this game isn't aligned you'd not have the full functionality that the console version uses.

Ppl could prob figure out a way to use one drive or something or just text and have PC clubs. It also offer voice party chat if ppl set up their atuff.


Not sure if u have to buy Xbox live gold tho as I've always had it

Ahh, manual updates with the lags and errors of omission those entail. I was wondering if somehow someone had cracked the API and was using that to drive a website. So, this is not really different from some earlier attempts on the PC. It only works for the ones who take the time to update it and the information is only as good as the updates. Which is pretty much the same as what we have on the PC with Master Merchant and TTC so even with those mature and popular addons, they are still limited to either the 5 guilds were are in or the people who run the addon.

@Nestor
I think you have the complete wrong idea and understanding. I blame my comments. Sorry.

It's not a database
It's just like text chat BUT it stays whether you're online or not. It's accessible via smart devices or console or PC (if you have a win 10 pc)

The transaction occurs in the game tho


Example:
I post WTS


It shows up to anyone following the club or if someone goes into the club activity and sees this.

They can reply to it and it alerts me.
They can either pm, reply, whisper, party chat or whatever.

Here's is how they see it. It's just a post


The heart is like
The box is chat
And the circle is to *repost it which means ppl can repost it on their social feed or other clubs etc.

We agree on the sale and we COD it.
Done

srfrogg23

Global Auction House

VoRaVeLi wrote: »

Tabbycat wrote: »

The system as is, a global Auction House, a mobile Auction Horse, or Pawn Brokers in place of the current Guild Traders that everyone can access. Pawn Brokers would function similar to how Guild Traders do now except they would not be locked by a single Trade Guild.

Global Auction House is cool for people that are totally broke and wanna drag the cost of all items down to the level they can afford.

Sellers will have to take a short on what they are selling since they will have to compete with EVERYONE else. So item prices will constantly go down.

Buyers will be happy that items are cheaper... Buyers also won't have as much gold since the stuff they are selling won't net them anywhere near as much....

Still sound like a good idea?

Please quit giving bad info to zos this would be a horrible change.

For people complaining about the ui there are add on's that make it much easier.

Don't those addons basically turn the guild trader system into a global auction house?

CromulentForumID

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

People on the consoles desperately need an interface like Awesome Guild Store. People on the PC just need to use the addon.

Anyway, I can find anything I need or want in one town's kiosks and the 5 guild stores that I am member of in the bank. The people who want an Auction House, aside from the bad Stock UI for using the Kiosks, just don't want to look for rare items or bargains. Rare items should take time and effort to find, and just because you have Gold, does not mean that process should be short cut. And, for bargains, time is money, spend the time looking for the lowest price, or spend the gold on the price that is right in front of you.

@Nestor

I disagree for Xbox one at least.
Ppl are doing just fine in these trading Xbox one clubs. I just saw one with over 23,000 members in it so to explain.

You join a open or closed club and either type and or screen and type. Ppl can comment or chat and none of that requires a guild or trader.

Price checking ....shrug....I personally don't get into that. If I want it, I buy it. I don't care if there's a cheaper price unless I don't want to spend X amount.

COD and move on.

Your solution to the issues people are bringing up is to head outside of the game? When that is the recommended solution it kind of proves their point, doesn't it?

Danksta

Guild Traders

VoRaVeLi wrote: »

Tabbycat wrote: »

The system as is, a global Auction House, a mobile Auction Horse, or Pawn Brokers in place of the current Guild Traders that everyone can access. Pawn Brokers would function similar to how Guild Traders do now except they would not be locked by a single Trade Guild.

Global Auction House is cool for people that are totally broke and wanna drag the cost of all items down to the level they can afford.

Sellers will have to take a short on what they are selling since they will have to compete with EVERYONE else. So item prices will constantly go down.

Buyers will be happy that items are cheaper... Buyers also won't have as much gold since the stuff they are selling won't net them anywhere near as much....

Still sound like a good idea?

Please quit giving bad info to zos this would be a horrible change.

For people complaining about the ui there are add on's that make it much easier.

The add-ons don't help me in the slightest.

ThePonzzz

I have a better idea! (post your idea in the comments)

Ability to set yourself as "actively selling items" and let people interact with you (via F key) and view wares. Can buy and haggle with you on the spot.

NewBlacksmurf

Guild Traders

CromulentForumID wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

People on the consoles desperately need an interface like Awesome Guild Store. People on the PC just need to use the addon.

Anyway, I can find anything I need or want in one town's kiosks and the 5 guild stores that I am member of in the bank. The people who want an Auction House, aside from the bad Stock UI for using the Kiosks, just don't want to look for rare items or bargains. Rare items should take time and effort to find, and just because you have Gold, does not mean that process should be short cut. And, for bargains, time is money, spend the time looking for the lowest price, or spend the gold on the price that is right in front of you.

@Nestor

I disagree for Xbox one at least.
Ppl are doing just fine in these trading Xbox one clubs. I just saw one with over 23,000 members in it so to explain.

You join a open or closed club and either type and or screen and type. Ppl can comment or chat and none of that requires a guild or trader.

Price checking ....shrug....I personally don't get into that. If I want it, I buy it. I don't care if there's a cheaper price unless I don't want to spend X amount.

COD and move on.

Your solution to the issues people are bringing up is to head outside of the game? When that is the recommended solution it kind of proves their point, doesn't it?

@CromulentForumID

Actually no. This is a side conversation

In the other thread the actual solution is

"Stop joining and using trade guilds"

"Start joining" actual guilds who play the game so that the items ppl try and sale are for the collective interests of one of their 5 guilds.

Trader or not when ppl realize that this game is designed to keep out the farmers who only seek to se a market and make gold....then they'd better sale and make a profit using the game design.


The problem as many say is people trying to make this game some other catastrophe MMO auction house for x or y game they've played in the past.


What's sad is the trading guilds are literally a group of ppl who all pull together to try and corner a trader slot to all sell their stuff.

WHO IS THE TARGETED CUSTOMER if thousands of ppl are joining up to sale


That's the problem those folks have who choose to participate in that way of thinking. It's literally on the lines of a pyramid scheme but for some reason y'all don't see it.

Some guys at the top collecting the money for a store spot. Required weekly fees or your out and no focus on helping people identify a customer. It's just list 30 items and give us your money.

SMH....no idea why ppl keep signing up for this madness and then come to the forums to complain


Just stop contributing to the problems you're creating yourselves.

Nestor

Guild Traders

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Example:
I post WTS


They can reply to it and it alerts me.

Essentially a Craigslist for the Game. However it is not an Auction House in the sense that you can see everything that is for sale in the game in one location or screen. That is what some people want. Your still limited to the friction of the person who has what you want being online, and it is still limited to the people who participate, which is, based on the numbers you have said, a fraction of the player base.

If ZOS would ever at least come up with an Awesome Guild Store addon, and possibly a Master Merchant, although that information is there for those who care to look, then most of the calls for an Auction House will go away. Except those coming from folks who do not want to take the time to look for rare items or bargains.

Trust me, I did not use the Guild Kiosks until I broke down and got the Awesome Guild Store addon (I am not one who has many addons, I prefer to play this game without them). I feel for the people on the consoles having to deal with the interface.

NewBlacksmurf

Guild Traders

Nestor wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Example:
I post WTS


They can reply to it and it alerts me.

Essentially a Craigslist for the Game. However it is not an Auction House in the sense that you can see everything that is for sale in the game in one location or screen. That is what some people want. Your still limited to the friction of the person who has what you want being online, and it is still limited to the people who participate, which is, based on the numbers you have said, a fraction of the player base.

If ZOS would ever at least come up with an Awesome Guild Store addon, and possibly a Master Merchant, although that information is there for those who care to look, then most of the calls for an Auction House will go away. Except those coming from folks who do not want to take the time to look for rare items or bargains.

Trust me, I did not use the Guild Kiosks until I broke down and got the Awesome Guild Store addon (I am not one who has many addons, I prefer to play this game without them). I feel for the people on the consoles having to deal with the interface.

Aaaahhhh no not Craig's list either.
Maybe you'd just have to be on Xbox one.

sound like the actual fix is to remove guild traders.

And then ppl say they want to be able to list stuff so let's say....in place of a guild traders a player could list maybe 10 items per trader with no affiliation and others could buy from their listing.

I'd still want each of these to be seperate.
That goes against what ppl say they want however that comes with the negative outcomes of ppl blocking markets.

Sorry tho to others I just don't see anything written as a good idea at all because what the problems are ultimately....are people

Even if they make changes to the UI which I'm open to....people are the problem and unwilling to realize many can solve their own issues in small groups vs trying to force a larger thing.

Loomis

Global Auction House

Unless your in certain trade guilds it's not an advantageous system for over half the population ...

But if your in a guild in one of the top spots I can see why you would never want it to change

I just sell stuff to merchants I do t need at this point and the system wastes to much of what game time I have to go on an Easter egg hunt to try to find it ... so I either try to find it or do without now

Cpt_Teemo

Mobile Auction Horse

Loomis wrote: »

Unless your in certain trade guilds it's not an advantageous system for over half the population ...

But if your in a guild in one of the top spots I can see why you would never want it to change

I just sell stuff to merchants I do t need at this point and the system wastes to much of what game time I have to go on an Easter egg hunt to try to find it ... so I either try to find it or do without now

Exactly, I bet atleast 80% of these people that want to keep guild traders are those that are in the top end monopoly guilds that run one main hub. Also from the looks of it having a global server wide auction house / market takes far less maintenance and can also find exploits much faster.

Bam_Bam

Global Auction House

When you have guild owners who make enough money to be able to directly influence the prices of items on the market - that's when you have problems and why the massive distrust occurs.

Bam_Bam

Global Auction House

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

The Guild Traders system as it exists right now is the perfect system for ESO.

Aside from a more user friendly UI, the system doesn't need to change.

Complete and utter bollox