KaiDynasty wrote: »As someone say, a dk execute is useless, and a real DK don't want it, same devs.
What a magicka DK must have to be on pair to otehr classes is:
1- *DoTs that apply MAJOR DEFILE, they want magicka DK rely on DoTs to pressure an enemy, but in the current state of the game, they are useless. They get cleanse, they get OUTHEALED, this is not possible! If I put 3 dots on an enemy (and I am using 3 skill slots just to pressure 1 enemy), they must do something, but right now, they get outhealed by everything. Major Defile is what Magicka dk need, PVP will be influenced, PVE won't be touched because major defile is useless on mobs!
2- COAGULATING BLOOD still need to be reviewed, I don't know with what, but since DK already have a BAD healing, i don't get why make it worse, we already spend a lot of magicka to use basic skills, and ok a DK with bad regeneration will get a good heal, but, after i heal my self, where is my magicka? I won't be able to heal again my self for a while (YEAH I HAVE ULT AND POTS EVERY 45 SEC), so for 45 secs I won't be able to do damage and heal, i just can hope to hold block for 45 seconds.. guys and ZOS, this is how it will be the things.. You really want to force a class to run out of resources to get a heal and then don't be able to get back resources to continue the fight?This is jjust a mechanic that is good to think about it, but in practice isn't possible.
Rework coagulating dragonblood for something else (I won't ask 0 cost on a heal, because is insane and it means endless heals when on low magicka, there are many options, HoT, heal that scale on max pool (magicka or health), heal that have a basic value + a % value based on missing magicka or health, heal that cleans and ignore cyrodiil debuff. choose or make a new one but that is decent, not a troll, I DON'T WANT A COPY OF BoL).
@Woeler @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert
I doubt you will make changes in time.. but keep these advices, because is what a mDK lack.
God how many times do I have to state this: I AM NOT A ZOS EMPLOYEE, STOP MENTIONING ME.
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- More useful ultimates: all templar ultimates are useless for a stamplar, we need something. Maybe a stam morph of cresent sweep.'"
ebethke_ESO wrote: »I have been playing lately without reflect because I'm trying to prepare myself for how awful the changes will be. What's the point in running a skill that can reflect basically just crystal fragments, snipe, and poison injection?
You aren't reflecting an animation cancelled invisible poison injection unless you have wings up proactively, which will suck your magicka dry. Or can anticipate when they might work it in, if you are lucky enough to be fighting one or two. And snipe goes right through wings most of the time. Even with its current inadequacies, running without Wings really leaves you vulnerable to range attacks with no counter play.
We'll still be able to reflect overload -- watching a sorc murder themselves is good fun -- but with the nerf to overload I'm not sure if we'll see fewer overload sorcs or more common overload shots because players aren't saving it up.
Then again, why bother when they can weave crushing shock and there's not a damn thing we can do about it: can't reflect it, gap closer doesn't work, no ranged damage of our own and we don't have strong shields or heals to mitigate.
- More useful ultimates: all templar ultimates are useless for a stamplar, we need something. Maybe a stam morph of cresent sweep.'"
"Crescent Sweep (Radial Sweep morph): This morph now deals Physical Damage instead of Magic Damage." As per PTS 2.7.2 patch notes.
Just to show you, how quickly Zenimax reponds to requests for Templars, yet here are the mDKs screaming since Imperial City update (1 year and several months ago) and our bread and butter heal was ignored. Not to mention the passives that never got any sort of update/revision/tweak since launch of ESO, we are approching 3 years now. Yet all other 3 classes got tweaked/changed passives, skills and ultimates.
Its funny how they claim that they love "all classes equally" where they favour mTemplars for PvE and PvP and stamNBs with 1 second shot 3 proc set builds with zero counters in PvP.
Really makes me wonder what to do with my character:
That is 3,800+ hours played, now im not sure if i will dedicate this character to PvE only and grind an easy mode templar for PvP, or still have some hope that the mDK can be viable in PvP once again.
Band Camp statements: To state "But this one time I saw X doing X... so that justifies X" Refers to the Band camp statement.
Coined by Maxwell
- More useful ultimates: all templar ultimates are useless for a stamplar, we need something. Maybe a stam morph of cresent sweep.'"
"Crescent Sweep (Radial Sweep morph): This morph now deals Physical Damage instead of Magic Damage." As per PTS 2.7.2 patch notes.
Just to show you, how quickly Zenimax reponds to requests for Templars, yet here are the mDKs screaming since Imperial City update (1 year and several months ago) and our bread and butter heal was ignored. Not to mention the passives that never got any sort of update/revision/tweak since launch of ESO, we are approching 3 years now. Yet all other 3 classes got tweaked/changed passives, skills and ultimates.
Its funny how they claim that they love "all classes equally" where they favour mTemplars for PvE and PvP and stamNBs with 1 second shot 3 proc set builds with zero counters in PvP.
Really makes me wonder what to do with my character:
That is 3,800+ hours played, now im not sure if i will dedicate this character to PvE only and grind an easy mode templar for PvP, or still have some hope that the mDK can be viable in PvP once again.
I'm sorry but it seems you are spending 3.800 hours in roleplay, because saying magicka DK is not VIABLE in PvP is a real joke; you are not the best of the best class by far like old days, but it's call balance.
Your heal is a bit weak yeah, but that's all, stop crying on everyskill pls, dev know dk is good, not enough yet cuz bad heal, but there that's all, there is players making great things in PvP with a magicka DK, you are crying like that because you want to be overpowered, not to be balanced.
You need fix to some spell and a better heal, just that, pls remember
- More useful ultimates: all templar ultimates are useless for a stamplar, we need something. Maybe a stam morph of cresent sweep.'"
"Crescent Sweep (Radial Sweep morph): This morph now deals Physical Damage instead of Magic Damage." As per PTS 2.7.2 patch notes.
Just to show you, how quickly Zenimax reponds to requests for Templars, yet here are the mDKs screaming since Imperial City update (1 year and several months ago) and our bread and butter heal was ignored. Not to mention the passives that never got any sort of update/revision/tweak since launch of ESO, we are approching 3 years now. Yet all other 3 classes got tweaked/changed passives, skills and ultimates.
Its funny how they claim that they love "all classes equally" where they favour mTemplars for PvE and PvP and stamNBs with 1 second shot 3 proc set builds with zero counters in PvP.
Really makes me wonder what to do with my character:
That is 3,800+ hours played, now im not sure if i will dedicate this character to PvE only and grind an easy mode templar for PvP, or still have some hope that the mDK can be viable in PvP once again.
I'm sorry but it seems you are spending 3.800 hours in roleplay, because saying magicka DK is not VIABLE in PvP is a real joke; you are not the best of the best class by far like old days, but it's call balance.
Your heal is a bit weak yeah, but that's all, stop crying on everyskill pls, dev know dk is good, not enough yet cuz bad heal, but there that's all, there is players making great things in PvP with a magicka DK, you are crying like that because you want to be overpowered, not to be balanced.
You need fix to some spell and a better heal, just that, pls remember
- More useful ultimates: all templar ultimates are useless for a stamplar, we need something. Maybe a stam morph of cresent sweep.'"
"Crescent Sweep (Radial Sweep morph): This morph now deals Physical Damage instead of Magic Damage." As per PTS 2.7.2 patch notes.
Just to show you, how quickly Zenimax reponds to requests for Templars, yet here are the mDKs screaming since Imperial City update (1 year and several months ago) and our bread and butter heal was ignored. Not to mention the passives that never got any sort of update/revision/tweak since launch of ESO, we are approching 3 years now. Yet all other 3 classes got tweaked/changed passives, skills and ultimates.
Its funny how they claim that they love "all classes equally" where they favour mTemplars for PvE and PvP and stamNBs with 1 second shot 3 proc set builds with zero counters in PvP.
Really makes me wonder what to do with my character:
That is 3,800+ hours played, now im not sure if i will dedicate this character to PvE only and grind an easy mode templar for PvP, or still have some hope that the mDK can be viable in PvP once again.
I'm sorry but it seems you are spending 3.800 hours in roleplay, because saying magicka DK is not VIABLE in PvP is a real joke; you are not the best of the best class by far like old days, but it's call balance.
Your heal is a bit weak yeah, but that's all, stop crying on everyskill pls, dev know dk is good, not enough yet cuz bad heal, but there that's all, there is players making great things in PvP with a magicka DK, you are crying like that because you want to be overpowered, not to be balanced.
You need fix to some spell and a better heal, just that, pls remember
You maybe don't know or just prefer to ignore the fact that templars were stomped into ground since IC till Thieves Guild dlc, became literally extincted class and all templars were mass-rerolling in frustration, maybe you also missed how it ended that templar feedback thread then became 90 page full rage thread where 99% of zos' responses were "Unappropriate comments were removed".
- More useful ultimates: all templar ultimates are useless for a stamplar, we need something. Maybe a stam morph of cresent sweep.'"
"Crescent Sweep (Radial Sweep morph): This morph now deals Physical Damage instead of Magic Damage." As per PTS 2.7.2 patch notes.
Just to show you, how quickly Zenimax reponds to requests for Templars, yet here are the mDKs screaming since Imperial City update (1 year and several months ago) and our bread and butter heal was ignored. Not to mention the passives that never got any sort of update/revision/tweak since launch of ESO, we are approching 3 years now. Yet all other 3 classes got tweaked/changed passives, skills and ultimates.
Its funny how they claim that they love "all classes equally" where they favour mTemplars for PvE and PvP and stamNBs with 1 second shot 3 proc set builds with zero counters in PvP.
Really makes me wonder what to do with my character:
That is 3,800+ hours played, now im not sure if i will dedicate this character to PvE only and grind an easy mode templar for PvP, or still have some hope that the mDK can be viable in PvP once again.
You maybe don't know or just prefer to ignore the fact that templars were stomped into ground since IC till Thieves Guild dlc, became literally extincted class and all templars were mass-rerolling in frustration, maybe you also missed how it ended that templar feedback thread then became 90 page full rage thread where 99% of zos' responses were "Unappropriate comments were removed".
- More useful ultimates: all templar ultimates are useless for a stamplar, we need something. Maybe a stam morph of cresent sweep.'"
"Crescent Sweep (Radial Sweep morph): This morph now deals Physical Damage instead of Magic Damage." As per PTS 2.7.2 patch notes.
Just to show you, how quickly Zenimax reponds to requests for Templars, yet here are the mDKs screaming since Imperial City update (1 year and several months ago) and our bread and butter heal was ignored. Not to mention the passives that never got any sort of update/revision/tweak since launch of ESO, we are approching 3 years now. Yet all other 3 classes got tweaked/changed passives, skills and ultimates.
Its funny how they claim that they love "all classes equally" where they favour mTemplars for PvE and PvP and stamNBs with 1 second shot 3 proc set builds with zero counters in PvP.
Really makes me wonder what to do with my character:
That is 3,800+ hours played, now im not sure if i will dedicate this character to PvE only and grind an easy mode templar for PvP, or still have some hope that the mDK can be viable in PvP once again.
I didn't give up on Templar back then and kept fighting for them, theorycrafting tons of feedback and suggestion, and watching how every next major updates those suggestions were implemented and reported bugs started to be fixed, one by one, slow but unevitable (and already know that in Update14 will happen the same). And I enjoy how from worst class it becoming one of the best.
Wana your beloved class to be great - do something worth for it, beside wining, like I trying to do. Or, well, just give up and roll "easy-mode templars" and enjoy hard work of people like me.
P.S.: and your example is just showing your ignorance: stamplars were asking about revamp of Crescent Sweep since IC, same as DK were asking to get magicka-based Ferocius Leap. Maybe you missed patchnotes of your own class, but both of those suggestions were made.
I understand frustration regarding Dragoblood, since it is 100% same as Eclipse: both were greatest class skills, after IC they became one of the weakest, and in U13 they might become ever worse. From suggestion to remove cap of Eclipse to actual removal of it passed almost 2 years! but it was done in the end.You maybe don't know or just prefer to ignore the fact that templars were stomped into ground since IC till Thieves Guild dlc, became literally extincted class and all templars were mass-rerolling in frustration, maybe you also missed how it ended that templar feedback thread then became 90 page full rage thread where 99% of zos' responses were "Unappropriate comments were removed".
- More useful ultimates: all templar ultimates are useless for a stamplar, we need something. Maybe a stam morph of cresent sweep.'"
"Crescent Sweep (Radial Sweep morph): This morph now deals Physical Damage instead of Magic Damage." As per PTS 2.7.2 patch notes.
Just to show you, how quickly Zenimax reponds to requests for Templars, yet here are the mDKs screaming since Imperial City update (1 year and several months ago) and our bread and butter heal was ignored. Not to mention the passives that never got any sort of update/revision/tweak since launch of ESO, we are approching 3 years now. Yet all other 3 classes got tweaked/changed passives, skills and ultimates.
Its funny how they claim that they love "all classes equally" where they favour mTemplars for PvE and PvP and stamNBs with 1 second shot 3 proc set builds with zero counters in PvP.
Really makes me wonder what to do with my character:
That is 3,800+ hours played, now im not sure if i will dedicate this character to PvE only and grind an easy mode templar for PvP, or still have some hope that the mDK can be viable in PvP once again.
I didn't give up on Templar back then and kept fighting for them, theorycrafting tons of feedback and suggestion, and watching how every next major updates those suggestions were implemented and reported bugs started to be fixed, one by one, slow but unevitable (and already know that in Update14 will happen the same). And I enjoy how from worst class it becoming one of the best.
Wana your beloved class to be great - do something worth for it, beside wining, like I trying to do. Or, well, just give up and roll "easy-mode templars" and enjoy hard work of people like me.
P.S.: and your example is just showing your ignorance: stamplars were asking about revamp of Crescent Sweep since IC, same as DK were asking to get magicka-based Ferocius Leap. Maybe you missed patchnotes of your own class, but both of those suggestions were made.
Yes i remember, it was the same with the other classes as well, specifically the stamina NBs in PvP. I have not fully given up, the mDK is still my class to go to and the class i will forever play and support. Just a massive shame on what's going on with this class since IC kicked in, i mean if a developer can not adjust a simple self heal skill for Cyrodiil for nearly 1.5 years...kind depressing.
If you looked at my previous posts here on this thread, i didnt start "complaining" till this page. I posted my thoughts what the class needs compared to other classes. If i do complain, its about Zenimax not adressing several major issues for a long time really.
Wana your beloved class to be great - do something worth for it, beside wining,
Wana your beloved class to be great - do something worth for it, beside wining,
Wana your beloved class to be great - do something worth for it, beside wining,
We all do, and have done for far over a year. Now were all just tired and angry pissed off. This was supposed to be our update, but the biggest change we were anticipating is a joke, and we got a huge unexpected nerf on top of it. Other classes ask for stuff and it gets done, DK's ask for stuff and we get nerfs or hare brained schemes that they insultingly consider a buff.
Wana your beloved class to be great - do something worth for it, beside wining,
We all do, and have done for far over a year. Now were all just tired and angry pissed off. This was supposed to be our update, but the biggest change we were anticipating is a joke, and we got a huge unexpected nerf on top of it. Other classes ask for stuff and it gets done, DK's ask for stuff and we get nerfs or hare brained schemes that they insultingly consider a buff.
It is frustrating and happening for all classes almost every major update, however we can't deny with all those sneak peaks and developer's section of notes and some changes of long-standing problems that ZOS from full-ignorance mode started slowly shifting to partly listening community, very very slowly but still it happening. I would prefer not to see that small intention to be ruined.
Wings is a HUGE loss to DK. It really is the iconic ability and needs to be fixed
Buffs this patch:
5% whips
Flame leap that is still underwhelming
Volatile Armor
Stonefist (meh)
Nerfs:
Wings
Standard
Heavy armor
Trainee
DW
Irrelevant:
Chains
Inferno
Iron Skin
Jury is out pending open world play:
CDB
Overall, I don't feel buffed.
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If you don't run wings, how can you say that they does not reflect something? I run them and see a lot of snipe spammers killing themselves.Sugaroverdose wrote: »If people kite and los you effectively you can't do anything, mobility isn't mdk strong part.Sugaroverdose wrote: »This stuff means that you can use them as way to healout on vipertremoscale *** without spending half of magicka to outheal damage from setsSugaroverdose wrote: »Currently burning embers is a way to damage on zero magicka staying alive, don't think it's good idea to rework them before giving sustain.
lol what does this even mean?
You don't really play mDK do you? In a 1v1 scenario, yes, Embers is reliable. But in open world PvP where people are kiting/LOSing you while you have a couple of people spamming snipe from 40m away? Nahhh not so much.
About snipe wings still reflect those, force shock nerf is bad, but still it's one of ways to teach people not to snipe you.
Wings do not reflect snipe because they are as bugged as hell.
Currently wings are used to reflect destro reach or a stupid sorc spaming frags at a mDK. Since you can't see the snipes, you cannot use it reactively. And being proactive leaves you with zero magicka.
Evenmoar, the good archers count 2 missippies after they see a dk spamming wings, hit snipe, weave a light attack, poison inject and dodge roll, so, if the mdk received at least 2 hits when wings were up before your combo, and you are lucky, your poison inject and your LA are projectiles 3-4 (reflected), then your snipe hit is a clear one. Obviously if the mdk got moar than 2 hits you can connect the whole combo in some cases. And dodgeroll prevents you from being hurt from your own attacks.
Your point should be about CDB in this case, embers does deal not that bad damage and burst heal from them does save asses even when you're not dueling.Sugaroverdose wrote: »If people kite and los you effectively you can't do anything, mobility isn't mdk strong part.Sugaroverdose wrote: »This stuff means that you can use them as way to healout on vipertremoscale *** without spending half of magicka to outheal damage from setsSugaroverdose wrote: »Currently burning embers is a way to damage on zero magicka staying alive, don't think it's good idea to rework them before giving sustain.
lol what does this even mean?
You don't really play mDK do you? In a 1v1 scenario, yes, Embers is reliable. But in open world PvP where people are kiting/LOSing you while you have a couple of people spamming snipe from 40m away? Nahhh not so much.
About snipe wings still reflect those, force shock nerf is bad, but still it's one of ways to teach people not to snipe you.
My point is that if we had a heal that wasn't dependent upon the target being right in front of us it wouldn't be as big a deal with people LOSing and kiting us. You clearly don't play mDK.
Joy_Division wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »@Wrobel Dragon leap cannot be cast while rooted. Rich said that it should break all cc including roots but it doesn't break roots. Trap beast, encase and talons still stop us from using our ultimate.
Just read the description to the changes done to backlash to understand that Wrobel just care about one class in this game.
You are confusing sorcerers for templars.
Or did you need read the new Curse and blazing Spear changes?
Nope, I was just looking at the way he refers to the change. The change to whip does not "open up a lot of exciting possibilities" for mDKs.
Now, about what they are really doing... IDK.
Well, he has said things such as "Don't worry DKs, your buffs are coming" before the Thieve's Guild and similar glowingly optimistic utterances before this patch.
I just stopped taking them seriously. But all those "incoming DK Overlord" prognosticators still take what he says seriously.
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Wana your beloved class to be great - do something worth for it, beside wining,
There is a 20 page document to the delves with a detailed breakdown of the issues that plague mDK and an almost innumerable number of suggestions on how to go about fixing them. It was put together with the help of all of the remaining PvP mDk's, myself included, the most vocal and visible and probably one of if not the best, mDK left in the game. Out of all those suggestions ONE was implemented. The rest of this nonsense is indeed some nonsense that ZoS just pulled out of the bum.
That's not to mention a year and a half of complaining and suggestions. Countless upon countless mDk threads about the same things over and over. Asking every PTS for help. Videos highlighting problems. Not to mention the raw statistical numbers that some have posted here in this thread showing the massive difference in mDK in PvP versus any other class.
Then we get told flat out we are getting buffed this patch. they are going to fix us. Promises were made and then we get this steaming pile of horse dung, and you have the nerve to come in here and tell us that we are whining. GTFO kid.
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