Bryanonymous wrote: »Bryanonymous wrote: »castigulaub17_ESO wrote: »Bryanonymous wrote: »If you don't play the market game, there are plenty of lower tier houses for that. Hate how some people are so entitled to believe everyone should be handed the best stuff when they don't want to put the time in to earn it. You have no idea how much time some of us put into crafting and selling, and now you believe it's not fair that you can't get our rewards. Seriously, buy a low cost house and be happy with it. If everyone had a manor, why even have low end houses? Smh.
Housing is not "your" reward. It is not an elitist trophy. Housing is game content that should be available to everyone with a reasonable costs. The average player should be able to buy a small or a medium house with little to no effort. Large houses should require a little work. Manors, I have to agree should be a good investment or crown store. Housing as it is on PTR is way over priced. Small/Medium/Large need to have the prices cut in half. Honestly I am not sure about the price point for Manors.
Housing is not a trophy, but game content. The days that houses are for the uber elitists are over. A lot of games, have housing very easily accessible. For example; SWTOR, BDO, LOTRO. In reality when you have only 1% of the population enjoying content, what do you think will happen to the other 99%. They will unsub or stop playing. If I can not access the content, why play it. One percent of the population can not keep this game viable and successful. Housing is content. Not a trophy.
You are out of touch with reality. Several illogical statements lead me to believe you are delusional. First off, housing IS available to everyone, at various prices. Just like gold armor, you have to *** earn them. Second off, housing size IS a trophy and game content. It can be both. The houses are as much a trophy as gold armor and champion points. You earn them. Third, all the features of the higher tier houses are essentially available in the lower tier as well. The only reason people are complaining about the manor prices is because of their own ego. And finally, if you can not access the content, too *** bad. Not everyone becomes emperor and gets to enjoy stat bonuses either. Your arguements make no sense, and are a pathetic attempt to disguise your feeling of entitlement to something you don't want to earn.
Cry more.
I cannot deny you raised some very good points in that, but then comes a rich kid and buys all houses with his daddy's money. Did he earned that, it took him any amount of effort? I think not! ZO$ only wants profit and it is gonna get it.
Paying money for time shortcuts is kind of typical in a b2p/f2p game. Just be grateful they are not selling crown store exclusive platinum armor.
Bryanonymous wrote: »Bryanonymous wrote: »castigulaub17_ESO wrote: »Bryanonymous wrote: »If you don't play the market game, there are plenty of lower tier houses for that. Hate how some people are so entitled to believe everyone should be handed the best stuff when they don't want to put the time in to earn it. You have no idea how much time some of us put into crafting and selling, and now you believe it's not fair that you can't get our rewards. Seriously, buy a low cost house and be happy with it. If everyone had a manor, why even have low end houses? Smh.
Housing is not "your" reward. It is not an elitist trophy. Housing is game content that should be available to everyone with a reasonable costs. The average player should be able to buy a small or a medium house with little to no effort. Large houses should require a little work. Manors, I have to agree should be a good investment or crown store. Housing as it is on PTR is way over priced. Small/Medium/Large need to have the prices cut in half. Honestly I am not sure about the price point for Manors.
Housing is not a trophy, but game content. The days that houses are for the uber elitists are over. A lot of games, have housing very easily accessible. For example; SWTOR, BDO, LOTRO. In reality when you have only 1% of the population enjoying content, what do you think will happen to the other 99%. They will unsub or stop playing. If I can not access the content, why play it. One percent of the population can not keep this game viable and successful. Housing is content. Not a trophy.
You are out of touch with reality. Several illogical statements lead me to believe you are delusional. First off, housing IS available to everyone, at various prices. Just like gold armor, you have to *** earn them. Second off, housing size IS a trophy and game content. It can be both. The houses are as much a trophy as gold armor and champion points. You earn them. Third, all the features of the higher tier houses are essentially available in the lower tier as well. The only reason people are complaining about the manor prices is because of their own ego. And finally, if you can not access the content, too *** bad. Not everyone becomes emperor and gets to enjoy stat bonuses either. Your arguements make no sense, and are a pathetic attempt to disguise your feeling of entitlement to something you don't want to earn.
Cry more.
I cannot deny you raised some very good points in that, but then comes a rich kid and buys all houses with his daddy's money. Did he earned that, it took him any amount of effort? I think not! ZO$ only wants profit and it is gonna get it.
Paying money for time shortcuts is kind of typical in a b2p/f2p game. Just be grateful they are not selling crown store exclusive platinum armor.
I have some questions for you now, I've been playing this game for over 1 year and spent a lot of time trying to save gold for the houses. And yet I won't be able to buy the one I want because it is around 3 million and I don't have that much yet, and I don't want all of them I'm just asking for 1 of them... Do you think I didn't earn it for playing for this long? Do you really think that I feel entitled to having one? No I'm just really pissed that they are gonna make it availiable in the crown store. If they wanted you to have earned it they would not profit on it. They didn't make it so expensive to 98% of the players because they want you to earn it, they want you to give up and open your wallet. Is it wrong to want to have nice things in life? No it is not, and for most people, me included, they play games to get away from reality, and that is the place where they can have things that they could never have in real life. And ZO$ is taking it away just because they want even more money.
Bryanonymous wrote: »Bryanonymous wrote: »Bryanonymous wrote: »castigulaub17_ESO wrote: »Bryanonymous wrote: »If you don't play the market game, there are plenty of lower tier houses for that. Hate how some people are so entitled to believe everyone should be handed the best stuff when they don't want to put the time in to earn it. You have no idea how much time some of us put into crafting and selling, and now you believe it's not fair that you can't get our rewards. Seriously, buy a low cost house and be happy with it. If everyone had a manor, why even have low end houses? Smh.
Housing is not "your" reward. It is not an elitist trophy. Housing is game content that should be available to everyone with a reasonable costs. The average player should be able to buy a small or a medium house with little to no effort. Large houses should require a little work. Manors, I have to agree should be a good investment or crown store. Housing as it is on PTR is way over priced. Small/Medium/Large need to have the prices cut in half. Honestly I am not sure about the price point for Manors.
Housing is not a trophy, but game content. The days that houses are for the uber elitists are over. A lot of games, have housing very easily accessible. For example; SWTOR, BDO, LOTRO. In reality when you have only 1% of the population enjoying content, what do you think will happen to the other 99%. They will unsub or stop playing. If I can not access the content, why play it. One percent of the population can not keep this game viable and successful. Housing is content. Not a trophy.
You are out of touch with reality. Several illogical statements lead me to believe you are delusional. First off, housing IS available to everyone, at various prices. Just like gold armor, you have to *** earn them. Second off, housing size IS a trophy and game content. It can be both. The houses are as much a trophy as gold armor and champion points. You earn them. Third, all the features of the higher tier houses are essentially available in the lower tier as well. The only reason people are complaining about the manor prices is because of their own ego. And finally, if you can not access the content, too *** bad. Not everyone becomes emperor and gets to enjoy stat bonuses either. Your arguements make no sense, and are a pathetic attempt to disguise your feeling of entitlement to something you don't want to earn.
Cry more.
I cannot deny you raised some very good points in that, but then comes a rich kid and buys all houses with his daddy's money. Did he earned that, it took him any amount of effort? I think not! ZO$ only wants profit and it is gonna get it.
Paying money for time shortcuts is kind of typical in a b2p/f2p game. Just be grateful they are not selling crown store exclusive platinum armor.
I have some questions for you now, I've been playing this game for over 1 year and spent a lot of time trying to save gold for the houses. And yet I won't be able to buy the one I want because it is around 3 million and I don't have that much yet, and I don't want all of them I'm just asking for 1 of them... Do you think I didn't earn it for playing for this long? Do you really think that I feel entitled to having one? No I'm just really pissed that they are gonna make it availiable in the crown store. If they wanted you to have earned it they would not profit on it. They didn't make it so expensive to 98% of the players because they want you to earn it, they want you to give up and open your wallet. Is it wrong to want to have nice things in life? No it is not, and for most people, me included, they play games to get away from reality, and that is the place where they can have things that they could never have in real life. And ZO$ is taking it away just because they want even more money.
You've earned a very nice room at the inn. Take a look at the link in my signature. Do you think I knew anyone in any of my guilds before I played this game? Wasn't even hard to join them, and over time I invested in crafting sets and I shop for materials almost daily to make them. Earning gold takes that amount of effort, and if you're not willing to put it in, just accept the smaller house. You only want the manor for prestige, however you didn't earn it. Your other option is to shell out some real money to shortcut that effort if you really have to have the best property, but try to understand that there are smaller houses that do pretty much the same thing and this obsession with getting the best one is purely ego. It's fine to want the best stuff, but if you don't have to work for it, what makes it any different than a smaller house besides the name of it? Nothing. It's just a virtual set of pixels with a title, and that title holds its value in how much it cost to get.
Bryanonymous wrote: »Bryanonymous wrote: »Bryanonymous wrote: »castigulaub17_ESO wrote: »Bryanonymous wrote: »If you don't play the market game, there are plenty of lower tier houses for that. Hate how some people are so entitled to believe everyone should be handed the best stuff when they don't want to put the time in to earn it. You have no idea how much time some of us put into crafting and selling, and now you believe it's not fair that you can't get our rewards. Seriously, buy a low cost house and be happy with it. If everyone had a manor, why even have low end houses? Smh.
Housing is not "your" reward. It is not an elitist trophy. Housing is game content that should be available to everyone with a reasonable costs. The average player should be able to buy a small or a medium house with little to no effort. Large houses should require a little work. Manors, I have to agree should be a good investment or crown store. Housing as it is on PTR is way over priced. Small/Medium/Large need to have the prices cut in half. Honestly I am not sure about the price point for Manors.
Housing is not a trophy, but game content. The days that houses are for the uber elitists are over. A lot of games, have housing very easily accessible. For example; SWTOR, BDO, LOTRO. In reality when you have only 1% of the population enjoying content, what do you think will happen to the other 99%. They will unsub or stop playing. If I can not access the content, why play it. One percent of the population can not keep this game viable and successful. Housing is content. Not a trophy.
You are out of touch with reality. Several illogical statements lead me to believe you are delusional. First off, housing IS available to everyone, at various prices. Just like gold armor, you have to *** earn them. Second off, housing size IS a trophy and game content. It can be both. The houses are as much a trophy as gold armor and champion points. You earn them. Third, all the features of the higher tier houses are essentially available in the lower tier as well. The only reason people are complaining about the manor prices is because of their own ego. And finally, if you can not access the content, too *** bad. Not everyone becomes emperor and gets to enjoy stat bonuses either. Your arguements make no sense, and are a pathetic attempt to disguise your feeling of entitlement to something you don't want to earn.
Cry more.
I cannot deny you raised some very good points in that, but then comes a rich kid and buys all houses with his daddy's money. Did he earned that, it took him any amount of effort? I think not! ZO$ only wants profit and it is gonna get it.
Paying money for time shortcuts is kind of typical in a b2p/f2p game. Just be grateful they are not selling crown store exclusive platinum armor.
I have some questions for you now, I've been playing this game for over 1 year and spent a lot of time trying to save gold for the houses. And yet I won't be able to buy the one I want because it is around 3 million and I don't have that much yet, and I don't want all of them I'm just asking for 1 of them... Do you think I didn't earn it for playing for this long? Do you really think that I feel entitled to having one? No I'm just really pissed that they are gonna make it availiable in the crown store. If they wanted you to have earned it they would not profit on it. They didn't make it so expensive to 98% of the players because they want you to earn it, they want you to give up and open your wallet. Is it wrong to want to have nice things in life? No it is not, and for most people, me included, they play games to get away from reality, and that is the place where they can have things that they could never have in real life. And ZO$ is taking it away just because they want even more money.
You've earned a very nice room at the inn. Take a look at the link in my signature. Do you think I knew anyone in any of my guilds before I played this game? Wasn't even hard to join them, and over time I invested in crafting sets and I shop for materials almost daily to make them. Earning gold takes that amount of effort, and if you're not willing to put it in, just accept the smaller house. You only want the manor for prestige, however you didn't earn it. Your other option is to shell out some real money to shortcut that effort if you really have to have the best property, but try to understand that there are smaller houses that do pretty much the same thing and this obsession with getting the best one is purely ego. It's fine to want the best stuff, but if you don't have to work for it, what makes it any different than a smaller house besides the name of it? Nothing. It's just a virtual set of pixels with a title, and that title holds its value in how much it cost to get.
You see you did not read what I wrote, but that is not important because you are the kind of person that think you are always right and not open to accept anything other than what you want. I did not sit in my horse and looked at the scenary for 1 year, I did all those things you did but you seem to be rng lucky? Who knows, but the rich kid that is gonna buy all houses will not put ANY effort into it. The kind of effort YOU seem to have made. So yes, you might say you earned it, so did I, but that kid didn't. And that is what I am pissed about...
Wanderer202 wrote: »
Uh... in real life there are athletes and celebrities who are basically what you are talking abou
EnviousStruggle wrote: »
EnviousStruggle wrote: »L2P issue
4 millions of gold its maximum 3 weeks of lazy tradiing
Bryanonymous wrote: »Several illogical statements lead me to believe you are delusional. First off, housing IS available to everyone, at various prices. Just like gold armor, you have to *** earn them. Second off, housing size IS a trophy and game content. It can be both. The houses are as much a trophy as gold armor and champion points. You earn them. Third, all the features of the higher tier houses are essentially available in the lower tier as well. The only reason people are complaining about the manor prices is because of their own ego. And finally, if you can not access the content, too bad. Not everyone becomes emperor and gets to enjoy stat bonuses either. Your arguements make no sense, and are an attempt to disguise the fact that you just you don't want to earn it.
disintegr8 wrote: »Can the same be said for Maelstrom weapons?castigulaub17_ESO wrote: »disintegr8 wrote: »Considering housing is not an in game requirement (i.e. you can play and complete everything in the game without it), why does any of it actually need to easily affordable?
Attainable yes, but easily affordable, no.
I am not saying I will by a manor house but it is nice to know that there are things I can actually use my gold for if I want to. But for those without the time, or desire, to make gold in game, you will be able to hand over your hard earned cash and get one in the Crown Store.
You are thinking about housing the wrong way, it's not a requirement, but game content. Yes it should be accessible to everyone who plays. This is not content for some, but for all.
I would guess that more than 50% of people who play (or have ever played) this game, would not be capable of completing vMSA. Following your reasoning, everyone should be able to get one of these, even though they do not need it, without putting in too much effort.
I can imagine the outcry that would come if people protested and wanted an easy way to get a maelstrom weapon.
SirCritical wrote: »Honestly I think large houses and manors prices should be doubled. No, I don't have that amount (neither my guild), but those kind of homes should be just really rare. Larges for stable guilds, manors for prospering trade guilds with lots of income.
Boo, hiss.
EnviousStruggle wrote: »in BDO houses only need to play on the stock marketcastigulaub17_ESO wrote: »BDO
and ONLY ONE player who is on top of house rating can use stock market
*** many houses in BDO?
lets say 500?
only 500 LITE PLAYERS can use houses for their direct purpose in game - stock market
in ESO there is unlimited number of players who can buy manors
so your arguments invalid
i guess same about swtor or lotro houses
My point is that all in game achievements can be completed if you focus your efforts correctly. Therefore, no matter how hard or time consuming they are, they are not out of reach.disintegr8 wrote: »Based on your definition of completion, I have probably never completed anything in my life. You do not need a manor house to defeat Molag Bal, complete a no death run in vMSA, complete all quests, dungeons and trials, or be Emperor.disintegr8 wrote: »Considering housing is not an in game requirement (i.e. you can play and complete everything in the game without it), why does any of it actually need to easily affordable?
Attainable yes, but easily affordable, no.
I am not saying I will by a manor house but it is nice to know that there are things I can actually use my gold for if I want to. But for those without the time, or desire, to make gold in game, you will be able to hand over your hard earned cash and get one in the Crown Store.
You can't complete everything without it. It will have achievements and titles associated with it.EnviousStruggle wrote: »
You mean sell that much. They make less. They buy and resell and the amount of money they actually make is just X% of what they invested.Not an option. Must complete all the achievements and get titles - that's how you know you completed something. Yes, there's a big portion of players who care about achievements and what you said is simply not an option.For those not happy about the house pricing........................dont buy it!
Deal with it!
For anyone who feels they must get all the in game achievements, it is up to them to work hard to do it, it is not ZOS' job to make it easy for them, just achievable. It would still be achievable if manor houses were 20 mil each, just harder to achieve.
And I make 200k a week without actually buying anything to on sell.
Yes, based on my definition you didn't complete much. But not nothign at all, your achievements show your progress, I'm sure the score is not 0.
And no, I don't need a manor to defeat molag bal, but I also don't need to defeat molag bal to have a house. You also don't need to be an Emperor to defeat molag bal and vice versa. They are all different achievements and are completed separately. So what was your point? Are we just stating obvious things here that two unrelated things are unrelated? They are two different pieces that I need to complete. Unless I complete them all, I can't say everything can be completed.
Darkestnght wrote: »I am sick and tired of ESO being so out of touch with reality. I am loosing my faith that this game will ever become what I thought it might be.
This game is really starting get on my nerves.
disintegr8 wrote: »My point is that all in game achievements can be completed if you focus your efforts correctly. Therefore, no matter how hard or time consuming they are, they are not out of reach.
It is possible to earn/steal/save 3.8 million in gold to buy a manor house and collect whatever achievement that might come with it. If someone does not want to put their efforts into this, they have no right to say it is out of reach or can not be completed.
disintegr8 wrote: »My point is that all in game achievements can be completed if you focus your efforts correctly. Therefore, no matter how hard or time consuming they are, they are not out of reach.
It is possible to earn/steal/save 3.8 million in gold to buy a manor house and collect whatever achievement that might come with it. If someone does not want to put their efforts into this, they have no right to say it is out of reach or can not be completed.
No there's a huge difference. You can't get there just by playing the game or playing the game well. You need to specifically farm gold, scan stores for deals, trade, trade, trade. That's nothing like getting,say, flawless conqueror where it all depends on your skill AND by getting it you are actually playing the game and becoming a better player.
Don't you see the difference?
No I don't.disintegr8 wrote: »My point is that all in game achievements can be completed if you focus your efforts correctly. Therefore, no matter how hard or time consuming they are, they are not out of reach.
It is possible to earn/steal/save 3.8 million in gold to buy a manor house and collect whatever achievement that might come with it. If someone does not want to put their efforts into this, they have no right to say it is out of reach or can not be completed.
No there's a huge difference. You can't get there just by playing the game or playing the game well. You need to specifically farm gold, scan stores for deals, trade, trade, trade. That's nothing like getting,say, flawless conqueror where it all depends on your skill AND by getting it you are actually playing the game and becoming a better player.
Don't you see the difference?
Bryanonymous wrote: »If you don't play the market game, there are plenty of lower tier houses for that. Hate how some people are so entitled to believe everyone should be handed the best stuff when they don't want to put the time in to earn it. You have no idea how much time some of us put into crafting and selling, and now you believe it's not fair that you can't get our rewards. Seriously, buy a low cost house and be happy with it. If everyone had a manor, why even have low end houses? Smh.
I was curious to see how much gold it would be to buy every house and manor.
Small houses: 675,000
Medium houses: 2,778,000
Large houses: 11,000,000
Manors: 11,340,000
Owning every property available for gold: 25,793,000
25,793,000 gold. Time to steal absolutely everything in Tamriel.
carlystclair_ESO wrote: »Bryanonymous wrote: »If you don't play the market game, there are plenty of lower tier houses for that. Hate how some people are so entitled to believe everyone should be handed the best stuff when they don't want to put the time in to earn it. You have no idea how much time some of us put into crafting and selling, and now you believe it's not fair that you can't get our rewards. Seriously, buy a low cost house and be happy with it. If everyone had a manor, why even have low end houses? Smh.
I've put 700 hours into this game. I don't and will never have that kind of gold.
My problem with the prices is getting past a certain point almost certainly requires a trade guild.
That trade system is still frustrating to me since the best spot ones are a pain to even get into.