Tavore1138 wrote: »FWIW I also think the prices overall are fair - I'd been speculating anywhere between 1 and 5 million for the top tier (not forgetting that furnishing them in lavish style will probably cost the same again) so just under 4 million seems about right - it pitches it high enough that the top tier housing is not going to be in easy reach of most players but not so high that with time it can't be - pitching the top tier at a level where all players can reach it with 30 minutes farming would remove the point of a system that appears designed to take time to fully navigate even for the trade GMs to whom gold is no object.
Also take some time to look at the lower tired homes - they are pretty nice...
so...
1. Take a deep breath and relax.
2. Remember you were fine 2 days ago without a house, you'll be fine in Feb without owning the top tier ones on day 1 - they confer no in game bonuses.
3. ZOS know how much in game money we have - they will have pitched this accordingly. ([cynicism] they also have made a good stab at guessing how much we'll spend on crowns and will have allowed for that too[/cynicism])
4. This system is designed to give us more game to play... sure you can short cut with crowns if you wish but this system appears to be looking to provide us something that could take months to complete instead of days. Take it that way and enjoy playing instead of trying to rush to whatever you perceive to be 'housing endgame'.
All that being said I do have enough tucked away from my incessant farming to get one and I will probably finally level some of my low level toons in crafting multiple skills to up my chances of being able to build furniture - and thus this is giving me more game to play before it even comes out!
Bryanonymous wrote: »If you don't play the market game, there are plenty of lower tier houses for that. Hate how some people are so entitled to believe everyone should be handed the best stuff when they don't want to put the time in to earn it. You have no idea how much time some of us put into crafting and selling, and now you believe it's not fair that you can't get our rewards. Seriously, buy a low cost house and be happy with it. If everyone had a manor, why even have low end houses? Smh.
disintegr8 wrote: »Considering housing is not an in game requirement (i.e. you can play and complete everything in the game without it), why does any of it actually need to easily affordable?
Attainable yes, but easily affordable, no.
I am not saying I will by a manor house but it is nice to know that there are things I can actually use my gold for if I want to. But for those without the time, or desire, to make gold in game, you will be able to hand over your hard earned cash and get one in the Crown Store.
xXSilverDragonXx wrote: »Well, the thing is that in real life you are not some hero of a faction, known by kings and queens, recognized as having helped save tamriel from molag bal and whatever insanity was going on in your home faction. I really do feel strongly about this because in real life if that were the case, people would be giving you nice deals, uber sweet deals. They would want you to live near them because in a crazy land with crazy stuff happening, they would feel much safer with you nearby. Sure, while you are rising up, people would barely give you a coin for your work, but as you get to the top, whether or not this is accurately reflected in the game, people would actually begin to recognize you as someone who can get the job done. And I think it would be smart to give people who have a lot of achievements an opportunity to get any of these properties for less.
Everyone is talking about having all this gold but the simple truth is that nothing about this game is about being rich. It's about being a hero. And being a hero is a big deal in this game. It gives you a title. It gets you a chance to talk to the king, queen, whomever. That is what should be reflected in the price. Not the fact that you bought and sold like crazy at a merchant since start up but whether you have actually done any quests. Yes it is a way to get the house. You need that to get it, but I think if you have done more, it should be reflected in the price and give you a better one, because that is your real job or it becomes it within the reality of the game. If you dont' do jack then you pay full price but if you have gone around tamriel and done all the main quests, completed one faction or two or three then that should count for something. If you became emperor that should count for something because this is a game where the focus is actually on that stuff. Just because we found some niche that we like that really isn't even part of what the game is actually about doesn't really mean we should be rewarded. Honestly, it's almost bizarre because it has zero to do with the whole story of the game and it makes no sense that if you did a ton of quests to help your faction, to stop molag bal, to accomplish whatever, that you would not be recognized and for it have better opportunities and deals. That is how the world actually works, but instead of heroes it is celebrities. In tamriel there are no TVs, no twitter feeds but there are heroes. They would be the one being reward for their 'celebrity'.
DannyLV702 wrote: »I may buy the 4 mill house as soon as it's released just so I know I have it and you don't
SantieClaws wrote: »*Makes careful note of everyone who says they have oodles of the gold ...*
Hello. This one is Santie Claws. Interior decorator.
Khajiit would like permission to visit your house to check that everything looks beautiful.
The design and construction of wherever you keep all that money is most particularly important.
Yours with paws
Santie Claws
(no relation to Santie Claws noted drunkard and collector of things from Wayrest Castle)
UntrustedExistenz wrote: »When you'll buy manor, you will get a title ("Lord" etc) and "Count"when all 3 are obtained. All players will know who is from pleb and who from aristocracy.
Sadly I'm too poor to buy even one manor. See you on Plebs Gathering 2017 at inn at the docks (I heard there is cheapest wine there).
IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »UntrustedExistenz wrote: »When you'll buy manor, you will get a title ("Lord" etc) and "Count"when all 3 are obtained. All players will know who is from pleb and who from aristocracy.
Sadly I'm too poor to buy even one manor. See you on Plebs Gathering 2017 at inn at the docks (I heard there is cheapest wine there).
Flawless Conqueror > Count. Dro-m'Anthra Destroyer > any other title.
castigulaub17_ESO wrote: »Bryanonymous wrote: »If you don't play the market game, there are plenty of lower tier houses for that. Hate how some people are so entitled to believe everyone should be handed the best stuff when they don't want to put the time in to earn it. You have no idea how much time some of us put into crafting and selling, and now you believe it's not fair that you can't get our rewards. Seriously, buy a low cost house and be happy with it. If everyone had a manor, why even have low end houses? Smh.
Housing is not "your" reward. It is not an elitist trophy. Housing is game content that should be available to everyone with a reasonable costs. The average player should be able to buy a small or a medium house with little to no effort. Large houses should require a little work. Manors, I have to agree should be a good investment or crown store. Housing as it is on PTR is way over priced. Small/Medium/Large need to have the prices cut in half. Honestly I am not sure about the price point for Manors.
Housing is not a trophy, but game content. The days that houses are for the uber elitists are over. A lot of games, have housing very easily accessible. For example; SWTOR, BDO, LOTRO. In reality when you have only 1% of the population enjoying content, what do you think will happen to the other 99%. They will unsub or stop playing. If I can not access the content, why play it. One percent of the population can not keep this game viable and successful. Housing is content. Not a trophy.
Can the same be said for Maelstrom weapons?castigulaub17_ESO wrote: »disintegr8 wrote: »Considering housing is not an in game requirement (i.e. you can play and complete everything in the game without it), why does any of it actually need to easily affordable?
Attainable yes, but easily affordable, no.
I am not saying I will by a manor house but it is nice to know that there are things I can actually use my gold for if I want to. But for those without the time, or desire, to make gold in game, you will be able to hand over your hard earned cash and get one in the Crown Store.
You are thinking about housing the wrong way, it's not a requirement, but game content. Yes it should be accessible to everyone who plays. This is not content for some, but for all.
ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »Coming soon, Crown Store Mortgage!
For only 2500 crowns a month for a 12 month agreement. Fail to keep up the payments and Orsimer bailiffs repossess your home.
Kidding......I hope
We can confirm there will not be a mortgage or upkeep fee you need to spend on player housing on ESO. Once you buy the house, it's yours.
You don't need to play 100 hours a week to get that much gold. Most people already had it because they've been playing for a very long time. Even for people that don't farm anything just do trials for the fun of it, 60K is something they can get in 3 hours. On top of that you have dailies, writs etc, etc. Can easily make 100K profit per day just by playing the game. No targeted farming required.
disintegr8 wrote: »Based on your definition of completion, I have probably never completed anything in my life. You do not need a manor house to defeat Molag Bal, complete a no death run in vMSA, complete all quests, dungeons and trials, or be Emperor.disintegr8 wrote: »Considering housing is not an in game requirement (i.e. you can play and complete everything in the game without it), why does any of it actually need to easily affordable?
Attainable yes, but easily affordable, no.
I am not saying I will by a manor house but it is nice to know that there are things I can actually use my gold for if I want to. But for those without the time, or desire, to make gold in game, you will be able to hand over your hard earned cash and get one in the Crown Store.
You can't complete everything without it. It will have achievements and titles associated with it.EnviousStruggle wrote: »
You mean sell that much. They make less. They buy and resell and the amount of money they actually make is just X% of what they invested.Not an option. Must complete all the achievements and get titles - that's how you know you completed something. Yes, there's a big portion of players who care about achievements and what you said is simply not an option.For those not happy about the house pricing........................dont buy it!
Deal with it!
For anyone who feels they must get all the in game achievements, it is up to them to work hard to do it, it is not ZOS' job to make it easy for them, just achievable. It would still be achievable if manor houses were 20 mil each, just harder to achieve.
And I make 200k a week without actually buying anything to on sell.
EnviousStruggle wrote: »lol you are wrong
i will post MM screens tomorrow
EnviousStruggle wrote: »@Artis
im also a trader and i can do 2 millions of pure PROFIT per week and more spending only 2 hours per day
if you cant/dont believe in that - you are not a good trader also
IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »UntrustedExistenz wrote: »When you'll buy manor, you will get a title ("Lord" etc) and "Count"when all 3 are obtained. All players will know who is from pleb and who from aristocracy.
Sadly I'm too poor to buy even one manor. See you on Plebs Gathering 2017 at inn at the docks (I heard there is cheapest wine there).
Flawless Conqueror > Count. Dro-m'Anthra Destroyer > any other title.
Volunteer > Maelstrom arena champion > Dro-m'Athra Destroyer > Count > any other title > Flawless Conqueror
ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »Coming soon, Crown Store Mortgage!
For only 2500 crowns a month for a 12 month agreement. Fail to keep up the payments and Orsimer bailiffs repossess your home.
Kidding......I hope
We can confirm there will not be a mortgage or upkeep fee you need to spend on player housing on ESO. Once you buy the house, it's yours.You don't need to play 100 hours a week to get that much gold. Most people already had it because they've been playing for a very long time. Even for people that don't farm anything just do trials for the fun of it, 60K is something they can get in 3 hours. On top of that you have dailies, writs etc, etc. Can easily make 100K profit per day just by playing the game. No targeted farming required.
HOW DO YOU "EASILY" GET 100k a day? Doing what exactly? lol
castigulaub17_ESO wrote: »Bryanonymous wrote: »If you don't play the market game, there are plenty of lower tier houses for that. Hate how some people are so entitled to believe everyone should be handed the best stuff when they don't want to put the time in to earn it. You have no idea how much time some of us put into crafting and selling, and now you believe it's not fair that you can't get our rewards. Seriously, buy a low cost house and be happy with it. If everyone had a manor, why even have low end houses? Smh.
Housing is not "your" reward. It is not an elitist trophy. Housing is game content that should be available to everyone with a reasonable costs. The average player should be able to buy a small or a medium house with little to no effort. Large houses should require a little work. Manors, I have to agree should be a good investment or crown store. Housing as it is on PTR is way over priced. Small/Medium/Large need to have the prices cut in half. Honestly I am not sure about the price point for Manors.
Housing is not a trophy, but game content. The days that houses are for the uber elitists are over. A lot of games, have housing very easily accessible. For example; SWTOR, BDO, LOTRO. In reality when you have only 1% of the population enjoying content, what do you think will happen to the other 99%. They will unsub or stop playing. If I can not access the content, why play it. One percent of the population can not keep this game viable and successful. Housing is content. Not a trophy.
in BDO houses only need to play on the stock marketcastigulaub17_ESO wrote: »BDO
ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »Coming soon, Crown Store Mortgage!
For only 2500 crowns a month for a 12 month agreement. Fail to keep up the payments and Orsimer bailiffs repossess your home.
Kidding......I hope
We can confirm there will not be a mortgage or upkeep fee you need to spend on player housing on ESO. Once you buy the house, it's yours.You don't need to play 100 hours a week to get that much gold. Most people already had it because they've been playing for a very long time. Even for people that don't farm anything just do trials for the fun of it, 60K is something they can get in 3 hours. On top of that you have dailies, writs etc, etc. Can easily make 100K profit per day just by playing the game. No targeted farming required.
HOW DO YOU "EASILY" GET 100k a day? Doing what exactly? lol
Finishing a Vet trial gets you 12K Gold, you can easily do 6 runs in 3-4 hours. Rest comes from daily Writs and quests and other small things. There are also coffers from trials each week, which gets you like roughly 35K gold again.
One of my guilds(for static group ofc) actually planning to do couple runs everyday to get 3.5M gold so we can buy a guild manor. 12x12= 144K gold each run. Do multiple runs and you're gonna have more than enough in a week.
Bryanonymous wrote: »Several illogical statements lead me to believe you are delusional. First off, housing IS available to everyone, at various prices. Just like gold armor, you have to *** earn them. Second off, housing size IS a trophy and game content. It can be both. The houses are as much a trophy as gold armor and champion points. You earn them. Third, all the features of the higher tier houses are essentially available in the lower tier as well. The only reason people are complaining about the manor prices is because of their own ego. And finally, if you can not access the content, too bad. Not everyone becomes emperor and gets to enjoy stat bonuses either. Your arguements make no sense, and are an attempt to disguise the fact that you just you don't want to earn it.castigulaub17_ESO wrote: »Bryanonymous wrote: »If you don't play the market game, there are plenty of lower tier houses for that. Hate how some people are so entitled to believe everyone should be handed the best stuff when they don't want to put the time in to earn it. You have no idea how much time some of us put into crafting and selling, and now you believe it's not fair that you can't get our rewards. Seriously, buy a low cost house and be happy with it. If everyone had a manor, why even have low end houses? Smh.
Housing is not "your" reward. It is not an elitist trophy. Housing is game content that should be available to everyone with a reasonable costs. The average player should be able to buy a small or a medium house with little to no effort. Large houses should require a little work. Manors, I have to agree should be a good investment or crown store. Housing as it is on PTR is way over priced. Small/Medium/Large need to have the prices cut in half. Honestly I am not sure about the price point for Manors.
Housing is not a trophy, but game content. The days that houses are for the uber elitists are over. A lot of games, have housing very easily accessible. For example; SWTOR, BDO, LOTRO. In reality when you have only 1% of the population enjoying content, what do you think will happen to the other 99%. They will unsub or stop playing. If I can not access the content, why play it. One percent of the population can not keep this game viable and successful. Housing is content. Not a trophy.
Bryanonymous wrote: »castigulaub17_ESO wrote: »Bryanonymous wrote: »If you don't play the market game, there are plenty of lower tier houses for that. Hate how some people are so entitled to believe everyone should be handed the best stuff when they don't want to put the time in to earn it. You have no idea how much time some of us put into crafting and selling, and now you believe it's not fair that you can't get our rewards. Seriously, buy a low cost house and be happy with it. If everyone had a manor, why even have low end houses? Smh.
Housing is not "your" reward. It is not an elitist trophy. Housing is game content that should be available to everyone with a reasonable costs. The average player should be able to buy a small or a medium house with little to no effort. Large houses should require a little work. Manors, I have to agree should be a good investment or crown store. Housing as it is on PTR is way over priced. Small/Medium/Large need to have the prices cut in half. Honestly I am not sure about the price point for Manors.
Housing is not a trophy, but game content. The days that houses are for the uber elitists are over. A lot of games, have housing very easily accessible. For example; SWTOR, BDO, LOTRO. In reality when you have only 1% of the population enjoying content, what do you think will happen to the other 99%. They will unsub or stop playing. If I can not access the content, why play it. One percent of the population can not keep this game viable and successful. Housing is content. Not a trophy.
You are out of touch with reality. Several illogical statements lead me to believe you are delusional. First off, housing IS available to everyone, at various prices. Just like gold armor, you have to *** earn them. Second off, housing size IS a trophy and game content. It can be both. The houses are as much a trophy as gold armor and champion points. You earn them. Third, all the features of the higher tier houses are essentially available in the lower tier as well. The only reason people are complaining about the manor prices is because of their own ego. And finally, if you can not access the content, too *** bad. Not everyone becomes emperor and gets to enjoy stat bonuses either. Your arguements make no sense, and are a pathetic attempt to disguise your feeling of entitlement to something you don't want to earn.
Cry more.
I cannot deny you raised some very good points in that, but then comes a rich kid and buys all houses with his daddy's money. Did he earned that, it took him any amount of effort? I think not! ZO$ only wants profit and it is gonna get it.