No Storage With Player Housing at Initial Release - Can you PLEASE rethink this ZOS?

Vaoh · December 2016

lagrue wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

I don't understand why you are so against other players having more options. You instantly disregard anything anyone says because your situation is different. You judge people based on the fact they would prefer more storage space? Rather pathetic if you ask me...

Telling people to just buy eso + for a crafting bag... lol, ya just force everyone to eso + for a bag... great sales rep you are.

Have you played since 1T? Do you not thoerycraft? Do you not try things out to see the differences in your specific situation?

There are a ton of options available to the players. More really are not needed. There isn't a lack of inventory space in the game. The real issue is one of item retention vs time to store and retrieve them.

Vaoh wrote: »

You can still run out of space theorycrafting with Craft Bags. 257 sets exist in game

There is effectively no upper limit to the amount of storage an individual can have in this game. Players will inventory management issues for one of two reasons:

1. Unwilling to spend the money to get the additional space
2. Unwilling to spend the time needed to store and retrieve items

Again, the issue is item retention vs time to store and retrieve them.

In the end, requests for additional space in this game boil down to getting ZOS to change something because the player does not want to have to pick which one of those two reasons are less important.

Vaoh wrote: »

Sure a tiny minority of us will never need more than 200 storage. How about the large majority though? I know multiple players in guilds of close friends that utilize guild banks as extra storage as well.

Actually, I am thinking this is the reverse. A minority will need more than 380 slots. Most people will just deconstruct, sell, or destroy anything they cannot carry or store. Those with more storage needs for crafting simply go the ESO Plus route and probably won't need anywhere close to 380 for everything else.

Yup.

The overwhelming outraged in-game responses to hearing that the main feature of a house is nonexistent, and the tons of Agrees on my original post must mean that only a minority of players see it as an issue -_-

Same with proc sets. Nothing wrong with them after all. Only the minority of players ever complain about them....

I don't think "minority" means what you think it means.

Forum "likes" and agrees don't constitute the opinion of the majority. They don't constitute the majority of forum users - let alone the actual majority of players who can't be bothered with forums. That is like getting into a facebook argument and being like "nuh uh, I'm right - see I got 25 likes" - when in reality anybody who's ever witnessed a toxic argument on social media where one person is blatantly wrong about something, yet garners more 'likes' from uneducated dummies (and before you assume, no I don't mean you or anybody in this thread). Your digital validation doesn't mean anything.

The forums are generally a hostile place where everybody feeds off of eachother's negativity, hell even I bring alot of negativity, admittedly. If anything your 'likes' are an indication of how toxic your opinion is amongst other toxic players.

You never see people on the forums (or really any forums) praising the good things about games, no - forums are a cesspool for all the negativity in the community.

Until this thread, I've never seen so many people up in arms about inventory space... it's only a problem now that you aren't getting it on a silver platter. Which is okay, that's the typical response any forum community would generally have. It's only a problem after it's highlighted - yet somehow for months before, you and everybody else snapping in this thread got along just fine. This is an issue of want more than need. And that's okay too, as a player you can want things for the game - the problem is everybody here is acting like it's a need, when it isn't.

The "dummies" you refer to are up in arms over storage space because my thread was the first time many of them heard about it. This news was hidden, when it should instead have been told to the playerbase in a much clearer manner due to how significant it is to not be included.

The reaction is much worse in-game than on Forums. You aren't helping yourself.

MickeyBN · December 2016

[SNIp] I've been playing since launch with 3 characters and have never exceeded 40 items in my bank.

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Vaoh · December 2016

Not even close.

My bad for storing rare BiS-trait set pieces to keep for later use because a handful of irrational people on the Forums don't agree with other opinions besides their own.

Also Hoarding is an actual issue some people have. Not even surprised to see you aren't mature enough to handle accepting other legitimate opinions besides your own. Your reaction goes right in line with your statement about never having exceeded 40 items in your bank before.

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MickeyBN · December 2016

Vaoh wrote: »

MickeyBN wrote: »

You people crying about storage are ridiculous. I bet you're all hoarders in real life. I've been playing since launch with 3 characters and have never exceeded 40 items in my bank.

Not even close.

My bad for storing rare BiS-trait set pieces to keep for later use because a handful of irrational people on the Forums don't agree with other opinions besides their own.

Also Hoarding is an actual issue some people have. Not even surprised to see you aren't mature enough to handle accepting other legitimate opinions besides your own. Your reaction goes right in line with your statement about never having exceeded 40 items in your bank before.

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lol my opinion is as legitimate as yours buddy. There are serious issues to be addressed about the state of his game right now, game breaking issues.

[SNIp] We have banks in the game, subscribers even have bottomless craft bags.

I'm not in any way defending ZOS's decision to not include storage from day one, but I don't care enough to harass them about it in a fresh thread every day. They've mentioned it didn't make the cut for release, they didn't say they'll never add it.

You've all survived this long without house storage, you will continue to survive.

Meanwhile, how about we get an ETA on when proc sets are getting reworked?

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Vaoh · December 2016

MickeyBN wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

MickeyBN wrote: »

You people crying about storage are ridiculous. I bet you're all hoarders in real life. I've been playing since launch with 3 characters and have never exceeded 40 items in my bank.

Not even close.

My bad for storing rare BiS-trait set pieces to keep for later use because a handful of irrational people on the Forums don't agree with other opinions besides their own.

Also Hoarding is an actual issue some people have. Not even surprised to see you aren't mature enough to handle accepting other legitimate opinions besides your own. Your reaction goes right in line with your statement about never having exceeded 40 items in your bank before.

If you're only here to spout nonsense then you should probably leave.

lol my opinion is as legitimate as yours buddy. There are serious issues to be addressed about the state of his game right now, game breaking issues.

Every day I come on the forums and lately the only thing I'm seeing is crybabies whining that the free housing dlc they are receiving next year doesn't come with MORE storage. We have banks in the game, subscribers even have bottomless craft bags.

I'm not in any way defending ZOS's decision to not include storage from day one, but I don't care enough to harass them about it in a fresh thread every day. They've mentioned it didn't make the cut for release, they didn't say they'll never add it.

You've all survived this long without house storage, you will continue to survive.

Meanwhile, how about we get an ETA on when proc sets are getting reworked?

Nice change of subject lol. But it's a welcome one. Were not going to agree because we obviously have totally different viewpoints on this.

I have a feeling a few of the more prominent proc sets will get nerfed into the ground next patch. We can't really know tbh. ZOS does not seem to take logical routes when it comes to balancing. It's always no nerfs or a massive nerfs.... no in-between.

ForsakenSin · December 2016

I guess the important difference is this..

1) those who have 1 or 2 characters cookie cutters

2) those who have tank, a healer , DPS magic stam end game builds and builds for PVP/PVE and theorycrafting

Now to all of those people who are saying we are hoarders cry baby let me educate you ....

Those of us who are not bound just to one or two cookie cutters character but have many we need extra items and extra storage , we are not hoarders we are just " prepared " as with each update something is nerferd and something is buffed and we need to be prepared to change it to stay on top of our game.

For example nirnhoned was BIS and allot of us have made weapons / armour into gold and spend hours farming and making it gold just to be outperformed by sharpen weapons.
Light armour was actually good back in the day now its heavy ect

As most of us are theorycrafters ... you know the people you go to when you are getting killed and are out performing and want to know what is the best set up for your character .. yhea THOSE PEOPLE .... and from all theorycrafters your welcome. do you know how much space we need to be able to test a different builds different armour traits see what works the best? would medium work better with heavy ect ... i guess not... but let me tell you ALLOT.

So for those who don't understand why we need extra space is due to this , so we can adapt in the uncertainty.

And if you can't understand that ... i fell sorry for you.

Unsent.Soul · December 2016

MickeyBN wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

MickeyBN wrote: »

You people crying about storage are ridiculous. I bet you're all hoarders in real life. I've been playing since launch with 3 characters and have never exceeded 40 items in my bank.

Not even close.

My bad for storing rare BiS-trait set pieces to keep for later use because a handful of irrational people on the Forums don't agree with other opinions besides their own.

Also Hoarding is an actual issue some people have. Not even surprised to see you aren't mature enough to handle accepting other legitimate opinions besides your own. Your reaction goes right in line with your statement about never having exceeded 40 items in your bank before.

If you're only here to spout nonsense then you should probably leave.

lol my opinion is as legitimate as yours buddy. There are serious issues to be addressed about the state of his game right now, game breaking issues.

Every day I come on the forums and lately the only thing I'm seeing is crybabies whining that the free housing dlc they are receiving next year doesn't come with MORE storage. We have banks in the game, subscribers even have bottomless craft bags.

I'm not in any way defending ZOS's decision to not include storage from day one, but I don't care enough to harass them about it in a fresh thread every day. They've mentioned it didn't make the cut for release, they didn't say they'll never add it.

You've all survived this long without house storage, you will continue to survive.

Meanwhile, how about we get an ETA on when proc sets are getting reworked?

Do you not see the constant threads about lag in pvp/pve? The log out issue? The new issues with the latest patch/maint.? The proc set threads/ destro ult?

Just curious.... don't pick and choose your battles kiddo. Those issues are very present and do exist as well. Do I see you posting in every thread? Sure as hell not...

diamondeyethunderbow_ESO · December 2016

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

diamondeyethunderbow_ESO wrote: »

You have 1 character...... and nobody asked you to judge how they play or what they keep. I have multiple characters and depending on the group, I may have a few different gear sets, other items that are situational, Crafted gear that's not worth decon, other items that may not get used constantly.

If you posted, you asked for whatever you posted to be judged. We need more judging, not less.

Also, if something isn't worth decon, why is it worth keeping?

I have 5 pc gold julianos, in light. I switch between that, and 5 other sets for LA depending on the group I'm in and the situation we get into. It's not worth the decon simply because I'd be lucky if I got 1 of the wax back but still worth keeping in a bank/other storage.

Does that make sense?

There are so many people stating how someone should play, or what they should keep. It's funny, I don't see these people logging on and playing my characters so I'm curious why they think their opinion is needee/wanted.

Your "we need more people judging others" doesn't make sense to me. Curious as to why youd think that...

Because people have lots of stupid opinions. Sort of like.. "other people aren't logging in and playing my characters so they shouldn't contradict what I post on the forums."

Obviously they aren't. That's because it's your account, that you're not supposed to share and presumably are not giving out the password to. Nevertheless, if you posted how you play on the forums people can and should judge it. For example, carrying around 5 different sets of light armor is ridiculous.

theslynx · December 2016

Don't really want to get too involved in what's apparently a really contentious issue, but it would be really nice to have house storage.

Shadow-Fighter · December 2016

Fail -.-

MickeyBN · December 2016

Do you not see the constant threads about lag in pvp/pve? The log out issue? The new issues with the latest patch/maint.? The proc set threads/ destro ult?

Just curious.... don't pick and choose your battles kiddo. Those issues are very present and do exist as well. Do I see you posting in every thread? Sure as hell not...

uhhh I'm confused because you sound like you're disagreeing with me yet you just confirmed what I was talking about. Did you even read what I wrote?

SanSan · December 2016

Meh who really cares honestly if there is no storage. Go to a bank? It's not difficult.

Delpi · December 2016

I really care about storage!

Falamor · December 2016

Inventory management is one of the most tedious and frustrating elements of any video game. Ever.

It is the duty of a game developer to ease this burden on its players. I do not think people would be asking if their *& bags weren't full.

Seriously, you guys

Elsonso · December 2016

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Falamor wrote: »

Inventory management is one of the most tedious and frustrating elements of any video game. Ever.

It is the duty of a game developer to ease this burden on its players. I do not think people would be asking if their *& bags weren't full.

Seriously, you guys

Let me introduce you to the ESO Random Number Generator....

lagrue · December 2016

Vaoh wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

I don't understand why you are so against other players having more options. You instantly disregard anything anyone says because your situation is different. You judge people based on the fact they would prefer more storage space? Rather pathetic if you ask me...

Telling people to just buy eso + for a crafting bag... lol, ya just force everyone to eso + for a bag... great sales rep you are.

Have you played since 1T? Do you not thoerycraft? Do you not try things out to see the differences in your specific situation?

There are a ton of options available to the players. More really are not needed. There isn't a lack of inventory space in the game. The real issue is one of item retention vs time to store and retrieve them.

Vaoh wrote: »

You can still run out of space theorycrafting with Craft Bags. 257 sets exist in game

There is effectively no upper limit to the amount of storage an individual can have in this game. Players will inventory management issues for one of two reasons:

1. Unwilling to spend the money to get the additional space
2. Unwilling to spend the time needed to store and retrieve items

Again, the issue is item retention vs time to store and retrieve them.

In the end, requests for additional space in this game boil down to getting ZOS to change something because the player does not want to have to pick which one of those two reasons are less important.

Vaoh wrote: »

Sure a tiny minority of us will never need more than 200 storage. How about the large majority though? I know multiple players in guilds of close friends that utilize guild banks as extra storage as well.

Actually, I am thinking this is the reverse. A minority will need more than 380 slots. Most people will just deconstruct, sell, or destroy anything they cannot carry or store. Those with more storage needs for crafting simply go the ESO Plus route and probably won't need anywhere close to 380 for everything else.

Yup.

The overwhelming outraged in-game responses to hearing that the main feature of a house is nonexistent, and the tons of Agrees on my original post must mean that only a minority of players see it as an issue -_-

Same with proc sets. Nothing wrong with them after all. Only the minority of players ever complain about them....

I don't think "minority" means what you think it means.

Forum "likes" and agrees don't constitute the opinion of the majority. They don't constitute the majority of forum users - let alone the actual majority of players who can't be bothered with forums. That is like getting into a facebook argument and being like "nuh uh, I'm right - see I got 25 likes" - when in reality anybody who's ever witnessed a toxic argument on social media where one person is blatantly wrong about something, yet garners more 'likes' from uneducated dummies (and before you assume, no I don't mean you or anybody in this thread). Your digital validation doesn't mean anything.

The forums are generally a hostile place where everybody feeds off of eachother's negativity, hell even I bring alot of negativity, admittedly. If anything your 'likes' are an indication of how toxic your opinion is amongst other toxic players.

You never see people on the forums (or really any forums) praising the good things about games, no - forums are a cesspool for all the negativity in the community.

Until this thread, I've never seen so many people up in arms about inventory space... it's only a problem now that you aren't getting it on a silver platter. Which is okay, that's the typical response any forum community would generally have. It's only a problem after it's highlighted - yet somehow for months before, you and everybody else snapping in this thread got along just fine. This is an issue of want more than need. And that's okay too, as a player you can want things for the game - the problem is everybody here is acting like it's a need, when it isn't.

The "dummies" you refer to are up in arms over storage space because my thread was the first time many of them heard about it. This news was hidden, when it should instead have been told to the playerbase in a much clearer manner due to how significant it is to not be included.

The reaction is much worse in-game than on Forums. You aren't helping yourself.

I like how you purposely called yourself and everybody in this thread dummies when right after that statement it even says I didn't mean you or anybody in the thread. Like are you purposely just looking for fights now? Are you purposely omitting my statements to suit your narrative? Obviously you are. Now not only do I think you're dumb, I also think you're dishonest. You twist what people say, that's not cool. It's okay though right, you'll get some 'agrees' on the forum, and you'll feel validated in the end.

I shouldn't have to explain myself - because you know, reading comprehension IS A thing - but that dummies statement was more in regards to my comment about facebook likes - you can't tell me you've never gone on facebook and watched some totally racist nut go on a rant, and get a million likes for it, whereas the person trying to stop the racism would get crapped on. That's a common trend in social media, negativity draws more negativity. 'Likes' don't mean a thing. If you actually READ what I wrote, you would realize that I wasn't calling anybody here a dummy.

And I can't speak for PC, but I play on console on a daily basis and I haven't heard one single complaint in-game, either through mic or text chat. Not one single complaint.

Ragemar · January 2017

wth, am I going to use a house for if I cant store stuff in it. If I want to waste houers build pointless stuff Ill buy minecraft

svartorn · January 2017

LinearParadox wrote: »

LMFAO this is great!!!
So not only did hou$ing become ANOTHER $$$ grab with houses for crown$, furnature for crown$, and EXCLU$IVE hou$e$ for more crown$, but arguably the most important feature "didn't make the cut" for launch!? I can't WAIT to see what was more important than the storage everyone's been begging for. BTW, storage was literally the ONLY thing I was remotely interested in for housing, so thanks.
I have no idea where your resources are assigned Zo$, since you won't tell anyone and don't communicate, but I hope for everyone's sake -including yours- that you're working on something big, and I mean BIG.
People are getting mighty SICK AND TIRED of watching bugs languish for months, years even, or highly anticipated additions like this get put off indefinitely, no ETA, etc. Major balance issues that're KILLING PvP, nothing but a non-committal "yeah, things aren't quite right".
But cash grabs? RIGHT on time! New crown store items like clockwork. Cash only motifs, cash only houses, cash only furnature... you're sure asking for a lot of money from the player base, I think we'd like to know WHERE THE *** IT'S GOING since it feels like we're not getting jack we ask for, and getting plenty were NOT asking for, like crown crates.

Yeah, /rant, salt, whatever.

This post nails it.

Elsonso · January 2017

svartorn wrote: »

This post nails it.

The post you quoted basically said that they made a mistake because storage did not make the cut. It was "arguably the most important feature" of housing.

It seems to me that quite a few things about Housing did not make the cut.

So, if I might ask, after you used housing on PTS, what feature should they have removed to make room for storage? I am actually curious what Housing feature people think ZOS put ahead of storage that they should not have.

Tommy_The_Gun · January 2017

So... there will be no storage in homes ? Not even a chest ? Not even 10 slots ? Wh.. why would you do that ZOS ?
Nobody will bother to grind and craft furniture or even buying a house if it does not give any significant benefit...
What will be special feature that you will dump your gold into ?
a in-home way - shrine ?
a in-home crafting stations ?
a in-home merchant ?
a in-home bank acces ?
a library book so you could view your lore books ?

What it will be ? Something purely cosmetic ? Because if so... then I will be the only one who will be able to see it... thus making it pointless...

And yes for now I have access to all of things I have said in place when my character is. So for now the home is "where my character is"

And as for the storage space for now the only way to increase storage further is to.. create new character and upgrade bag ??
I already have one additional character carrying 60 motif books...

The problem is that if you have stacks of crafting materials in bank (all types, alchemy, provisioning, clothing etc. )
and some armour & weapon sets you are collecting to complete build...you are out of storage.

And yes I would use the crafting bag if it was one-time account upgrade. Not a "premium" account. Sure i would be more expensive but still... the same goes for housing ZOS.
Please not make housing storage an "eso +" only ! I would certainly buy this "storage space" if only it was one time accont upgrade.
Because other wise it will not be hosing. It will be house "renting"

Tip for you ZOS - if people need more storage then.. why not give it as a bank upgrade. You can upgrade your bank up to 240 slots for in game gold. How about (after that 240 cap) to be able to still upgrade your bank almost infinitely but for real money ?

Unsent.Soul · January 2017

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

So... there will be no storage in homes ? Not even a chest ? Not even 10 slots ? Wh.. why would you do that ZOS ?
Nobody will bother to grind and craft furniture or even buying a house if it does not give any significant benefit...
What will be special feature that you will dump your gold into ?
a in-home way - shrine ?
a in-home crafting stations ?
a in-home merchant ?
a in-home bank acces ?
a library book so you could view your lore books ?

What it will be ? Something purely cosmetic ? Because if so... then I will be the only one who will be able to see it... thus making it pointless...

And yes for now I have access to all of things I have said in place when my character is. So for now the home is "where my character is"

And as for the storage space for now the only way to increase storage further is to.. create new character and upgrade bag ??
I already have one additional character carrying 60 motif books...

The problem is that if you have stacks of crafting materials in bank (all types, alchemy, provisioning, clothing etc. )
and some armour & weapon sets you are collecting to complete build...you are out of storage.

And yes I would use the crafting bag if it was one-time account upgrade. Not a "premium" account. Sure i would be more expensive but still... the same goes for housing ZOS.
Please not make housing storage an "eso +" only ! I would certainly buy this "storage space" if only it was one time accont upgrade.
Because other wise it will not be hosing. It will be house "renting"

Tip for you ZOS - if people need more storage then.. why not give it as a bank upgrade. You can upgrade your bank up to 240 slots for in game gold. How about (after that 240 cap) to be able to still upgrade your bank almost infinitely but for real money ?

Extra storage for crowns? No, bad idea, waste of you posting.

TheImperfect · January 2017

If it is so you don't HAVE to have the housing there should at least be the same storage in every house including the one you get for free via quest then everyone is on an even footing and those who don't want to bother with housing really or crafting furniture are still on an even footing.

EDIT: although I'd prefer walk in wardrobes for different sets and different chests for all sorts of items and limitless storage ideally.

Gedalya · January 2017

I'm inclined to agree; I don't know why this isn't implemented with this update as it strikes me as straightforward. Even if it was as simple as purchasing or crafting a chest for storage, and that chest was pricey (lets say reasonably based on existing number of slots). I'd be content even to pay 20k or 40/50k for a chest with some number of slots, 6, 12 whatever. Or to make them craftable but make them diffictult to acquire; place limits on the number you can get. Current housing has limits based on how many Trophies; maybe a limit on how many storage chest a certain house can have? I don't know but throw us a bone. I'm ultimately of the mind that there shouldn't be any limit other than that the chests count towards the number of items you can have in your home. Lots to think about but something simple seems easy enough.

Tommy_The_Gun · January 2017

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

Extra storage for crowns? No, bad idea, waste of you posting.

Ok... maybe not

But still ZOS need to come up with a way to increase storage somehow.
It will be better if they just raised the bank max space to something more than 240...
Not everybody has s guild store you know...

Unsent.Soul · January 2017

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

Extra storage for crowns? No, bad idea, waste of you posting.

Ok... maybe not
But still ZOS need to come up with a way to increase storage somehow.
It will be better if they just raised the bank max space to something more than 240...
Not everybody has s guild store you know...

It'll be interesting to see what they come up with. Maybe a mix of increasing bank size and or storage containers/armories.

Sinthrax · January 2017

Malmai wrote: »

Zenimax is always doin opposite of what people want...

They been doing that to me since it went B2P. Get use to it.

Sinthrax · January 2017

Delpi wrote: »

They added a lot of new bound sets with the purpose of fulling your backpack. Hey, if you don't have space, you'll need the ESO+ craft bag! They said...

Well, I have the craft bag, but the bound sets are still a nightmare which keep increasing and increasing. I didn't care because I though I could have all of them in my house! But well...Zos though otherwise... Then, Why would I want a house? Just to decorate it? For that I'm going to IKEA not to a game.

If the only reason people would want a house is for storage then they are missing the point anyway. I don't think they added housing and put in 2,000 items to decorate with it being for storage in mind. Maybe you are the one that needs to rethink the purpose of housing. I think they have made it clear it is a social and decorating attraction. The problem is people assume to many things. You guys cry more than my 2 month old over NOTHING. If the WHOLE reason you would buy a house is solely for storage? I mean really...that is all you want. They should have just added more bank slots for $20 bucks then...they could have saved themselves alot of time if that is all people wanted out of the houses. Of all the things housing is offering the only thing people really wanted out of it is more storage. Screw the 2,000 items that added to the game to decorate with....Then don't buy it.

Sinthrax · January 2017

IF they offer house stoarge I will cancel my sub. The bag is the only reason to sub. Its a double edged sword for them. The choice is theirs.

Violynne · January 2017

A player home without storage?

Now that's a stupid question.

old_mufasa · January 2017

Player: So I built this dresser.. hey I'm going to put my alternate armor in there.. this will be great wont have to carry it around....

Zen: Stop!! that dresser is just for looks.

Player: umm what?

Zen: Its not to be used.. just to be looked at

Player: really? well ok... I guess I'll just hang these to rare battle axes I collected over the fire place mantel.

Zen: No no no!! you are not allowed to do that, only sanctioned decorations in your paid for house.

Player: Are you kidding me... well fine then. At least of I have a storage box here right?

Zen: No...

( With a huff the player walks out of front door of newly paid for house, finds a plank of wood and some paint. After a few minutes of painting he goes to the front of the property and slams his newly painted sign in the ground that reads "For Sale"

Zen: Umm you can't do that.. all sales are final.

Player: OH COME ON!!!