No Storage With Player Housing at Initial Release - Can you PLEASE rethink this ZOS?

zakfrickb14_ESO

Just to play devils advocate... has it ever been possible to put things in a container in ESO? I've only ever seen the ability to take things out. The only exception was the account bank and vendors. I think the reason that storage isn't included in the homestead update is because the programming doesn't actually exist for the function... then again i don't think the decoration programming existed either so i could be wrong. Just trying to think of why storage would have been shelved...

zakfrickb14_ESO

Sinthrax wrote: »

IF they offer house stoarge I will cancel my sub. The bag is the only reason to sub. Its a double edged sword for them. The choice is theirs.

Or storage containers are only available to subscribers...

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Housing still needs storage.

People buy houses to store stuff. Didn't know that had to be spelled out.

Storage has been a staple of housing in every other elder scrolls game.

This isn't just an oversight, its a deliberate omission and a shameful one at that.

Tommy_The_Gun

zakfrickb14_ESO wrote: »

The only exception was the account bank and vendors. I think the reason that storage isn't included in the homestead update is because the programming doesn't actually exist for the function...

Actually such function exists... You can upgrade bag, or bank space, or mount to have more storage. If upgrading mount gives you more inventory space, then it could work the same for hosing to give more bank space ?

The reason why housing storage was scratched and wont be in in initial release is (probably) the fact that (as it was mentioned before) people will stop using eso+ for crafting bag.

But who knows ? Maybe ZOS will find a good solution for this. All we have left is hope...

Enslaved

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

The reason why housing storage was scratched and wont be in in initial release is (probably) the fact that (as it was mentioned before) people will stop using eso+ for crafting bag.

Simple solution. Houses could have storage that can be used only for weapons and armors. So you will still need ESO+ for materials.

negbert

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Housing still needs storage.

People buy houses to store stuff. Didn't know that had to be spelled out.

Storage has been a staple of housing in every other elder scrolls game.

This isn't just an oversight, its a deliberate omission and a shameful one at that.

These games did not have a bank. It's not the same.

Agalloch

Everything about housing is only to increase the number of items in the game. There are over 2000 new items, mats ..etc..

I am sure their intention was from the beginning to not include storage in the house system . to not loose subs for the crafting bag. Also if u check the PTS homstead is only a gold and time sink . Many items are very hard to acquire ..so if u don't have patience you can buy all the stuff from the Crown Store like the already furnished houses.

Homstead is only an updated Crown Store. The rest is only Aetheric Cipher & Aetherial Dust issue but in different manner.

Never see a mmo housing system without storage. There are many free to play mmos also with nice housing systems.

Look at only an example : Aion : just a sneak peek: http://aion.wikia.com/wiki/Housing

And something important from the site above: "Installing storage furniture inside the house allows you extra storage space in addition to your personal warehouse. "

I hope ESO will not fall too much after Homstead and the incredible nerfs that come with it in the game mechanics.


English is not my native language.

BlackEar

Just make mannequins as a way to store armor and weapons. That way people will still sub for the crafting bag, but it helps us with unloading all our set items.

Iluvrien

Enslaved wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

The reason why housing storage was scratched and wont be in in initial release is (probably) the fact that (as it was mentioned before) people will stop using eso+ for crafting bag.

Simple solution. Houses could have storage that can be used only for weapons and armors. So you will still need ESO+ for materials.

Not disagreeing with the requirement, just the method...

....by removing armour and weapons from bank slots you reduce the pressure on bank storage accounts. Those free slots could be used to hold materials stacks. So you still end up reducing the interest in the ESO+ crafting bag.

Asardes

I would buy storage with crowns if it comes as extra feature for housing. I have bought 4 extra character slots for 1500 crowns each exactly because I needed extra "bank" characters. 1500 crowns for 200 extra storage space is not bad IMO. Make it happen for housing and I will buy it straight away.

Theosis

It's decisions like this that make me not play anymore. I keep going back to the forums once in a while to see if anything has changed and I can see it has not.

Cherryblossom

Valethar wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Never have I heard of a game where player housing did not allow storage.

SWTOR.

Beyond your standard bank access, there is no additional storage that I'm aware of.

We'll have bank access, I'm sure, since they mentioned assistants for housing. The rest we'll just have to wait for, since, you know, clown crates and all that.

@Valethar
Whilst SWTOR doesn't add any extra Storage with their homes, its not an issue in that game due to the amount of storage you get, you also have all that storage on all your Characters.

I have to say I did quite well at the inventory game for crafting before the crafting bags, but I'm quite simply overwhelmed by all the sets I have in this game now since One T.
I was seriously hoping they would put in something cool like mannequin which you could put armour sets on, this would be decorative and functional and sooo damn cool.

Enslaved

Iluvrien wrote: »

Enslaved wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

The reason why housing storage was scratched and wont be in in initial release is (probably) the fact that (as it was mentioned before) people will stop using eso+ for crafting bag.

Simple solution. Houses could have storage that can be used only for weapons and armors. So you will still need ESO+ for materials.

Not disagreeing with the requirement, just the method...

....by removing armour and weapons from bank slots you reduce the pressure on bank storage accounts. Those free slots could be used to hold materials stacks. So you still end up reducing the interest in the ESO+ crafting bag.

Only thing is that bundles in normal stash/bank are able to take 200 of each material. I have about 11k rubedite ingots only. Pretty much similar situation with nightwood and stuff. Iron tier materials are 5-6k each. I guess entire bank would be filled with materials. ESO+ is much too useful to be replaced.

Bobby_V_Rockit

Whats the point if you put anything in it? Might as well claim a random rock as my home, same functionality

Pops_ND_Irish

When they add storage, ill bet it wont be enough for everybody.
If they made it 500 slots, the flamers will want 600, etc.

Sell some stuff or i'll take it !

Gandrhulf_Harbard

Enslaved wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

The reason why housing storage was scratched and wont be in in initial release is (probably) the fact that (as it was mentioned before) people will stop using eso+ for crafting bag.

Simple solution. Houses could have storage that can be used only for weapons and armors. So you will still need ESO+ for materials.

Exactly.

Here's what I would do. There would be three types of Basic Storage with the House.

1) Weapon Rack.
2) Armour Rack.
3) Trophy Cabinet.

A Small House would get a Trophy Cabinet.
A Medium House would get a Trophy Cabinet and a Weapon Rack.
A Large House+ would get all three.

Whichever storage options come with the house, you'd get 10 slots for free.
Small house would get a 10 slot Trophy Cabinet.
Medium House would get 10 slot Trophy Cabinet and 10 slot Weapon Rack etc.

Additional slots purchased from the Crown Store at 10 Slots per 100 Crowns.

Ability to buy the type of storage missing from your Small / Medium Houses at 250 Crowns for basic 10 slots.

That way people already spending more on bigger houses are more incetivised to do so, and the ability for everyone to upgrade is there at a reasonable price-point.

Craft Bag would then still be required and so incentivse people to pay for ESO+.


I already have ESO+. I was thinking of getting a Medium House. But I am a hoarder and keep old gear that I like the look of, and trophies / collectibles. But with a Medium House under my proposals I would buy the Armour Rack, and 10 extra slots for Weapons and Trophies.

All The Best

altemriel

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

Enslaved wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

The reason why housing storage was scratched and wont be in in initial release is (probably) the fact that (as it was mentioned before) people will stop using eso+ for crafting bag.

Simple solution. Houses could have storage that can be used only for weapons and armors. So you will still need ESO+ for materials.

Exactly.

Here's what I would do. There would be three types of Basic Storage with the House.

1) Weapon Rack.
2) Armour Rack.
3) Trophy Cabinet.

A Small House would get a Trophy Cabinet.
A Medium House would get a Trophy Cabinet and a Weapon Rack.
A Large House+ would get all three.

Whichever storage options come with the house, you'd get 10 slots for free.
Small house would get a 10 slot Trophy Cabinet.
Medium House would get 10 slot Trophy Cabinet and 10 slot Weapon Rack etc.

Additional slots purchased from the Crown Store at 10 Slots per 100 Crowns.

Ability to buy the type of storage missing from your Small / Medium Houses at 250 Crowns for basic 10 slots.

That way people already spending more on bigger houses are more incetivised to do so, and the ability for everyone to upgrade is there at a reasonable price-point.

Craft Bag would then still be required and so incentivse people to pay for ESO+.


I already have ESO+. I was thinking of getting a Medium House. But I am a hoarder and keep old gear that I like the look of, and trophies / collectibles. But with a Medium House under my proposals I would buy the Armour Rack, and 10 extra slots for Weapons and Trophies.

All The Best

yes!!

@ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_MattFiror

Zolron

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

Enslaved wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

The reason why housing storage was scratched and wont be in in initial release is (probably) the fact that (as it was mentioned before) people will stop using eso+ for crafting bag.

Simple solution. Houses could have storage that can be used only for weapons and armors. So you will still need ESO+ for materials.

Exactly.

Here's what I would do. There would be three types of Basic Storage with the House.

1) Weapon Rack.
2) Armour Rack.
3) Trophy Cabinet.

A Small House would get a Trophy Cabinet.
A Medium House would get a Trophy Cabinet and a Weapon Rack.
A Large House+ would get all three.

Whichever storage options come with the house, you'd get 10 slots for free.
Small house would get a 10 slot Trophy Cabinet.
Medium House would get 10 slot Trophy Cabinet and 10 slot Weapon Rack etc.

Additional slots purchased from the Crown Store at 10 Slots per 100 Crowns.

Ability to buy the type of storage missing from your Small / Medium Houses at 250 Crowns for basic 10 slots.

That way people already spending more on bigger houses are more incetivised to do so, and the ability for everyone to upgrade is there at a reasonable price-point.

Craft Bag would then still be required and so incentivse people to pay for ESO+.


I already have ESO+. I was thinking of getting a Medium House. But I am a hoarder and keep old gear that I like the look of, and trophies / collectibles. But with a Medium House under my proposals I would buy the Armour Rack, and 10 extra slots for Weapons and Trophies.

All The Best

Honestly, I love this idea but I bolded the part I think your confused with.....Do you seriously believe they will sell us 10 additional slots for 100 crowns???? Add a zero and maybe were in the right ballpark !

Gandrhulf_Harbard

Zolron wrote: »

Honestly, I love this idea but I bolded the part I think your confused with.....Do you seriously believe they will sell us 10 additional slots for 100 crowns???? Add a zero and maybe were in the right ballpark !

I don't think they will.

But I think they should.

Stack it high, sell it cheap - words of wisdom from Jack Cohen, founder of the 3rd largest Retailer, by profit, on the planet.

All The Best

Elsonso

negbert wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Housing still needs storage.

People buy houses to store stuff. Didn't know that had to be spelled out.

Storage has been a staple of housing in every other elder scrolls game.

This isn't just an oversight, its a deliberate omission and a shameful one at that.

These games did not have a bank. It's not the same.

Agreed. There isn't as much reason to have storage specifically tied to houses. I am more concerned about the stuff we carry that cannot be displayed in houses, than places in the house to store things out of sight. They can just increase bank space, if people need more bulk storage.

Nickernator

It would make sense if you could storage your stuff at your house.

Like you own a HUGE castle, but can't even store some armor at it lol

Tommy_The_Gun

lordrichter wrote: »

negbert wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Housing still needs storage.

People buy houses to store stuff. Didn't know that had to be spelled out.

Storage has been a staple of housing in every other elder scrolls game.

This isn't just an oversight, its a deliberate omission and a shameful one at that.

These games did not have a bank. It's not the same.

Agreed. There isn't as much reason to have storage specifically tied to houses. I am more concerned about the stuff we carry that cannot be displayed in houses, than places in the house to store things out of sight. They can just increase bank space, if people need more bulk storage.

The houses will be "account wide" - just like mounts - ones bought they will be available for all characters. I am not sure if furniture & decorations will be though (when you decorate house on one character will it be also affecting the other or you will be able to have different decorations for different characters).

Anyway to the point: I just thought: If upgrading mount gives you additional inventory slots.. so how about the same for houses ? If you upgrade your house it will give you additional storage space in bank - with small houses having small cap and larger manors & estates to have higher cap...

GrafDresche

I take the omission of any storage with the introduction of housing as outright insulting and greedy towards players.

There is simply no excuse, especially when you look at the implementation of the new system on PTS: The time and effort they put into it while managing to completely leave out storage shows that it happened fully on purpose and is precisely tailored to make players sink their money into it.

I have just let my ESO+ subscription run out, and will not renew it, until they get the balance right again.

PS: Housing was one of the extra features I was hoping for and requesting since beta thus the disappointment is even higher.

Elsonso

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

The houses will be "account wide" - just like mounts - ones bought they will be available for all characters. I am not sure if furniture & decorations will be though (when you decorate house on one character will it be also affecting the other or you will be able to have different decorations for different characters).

Yes, furnishings are account wide, and visible to all characters on the account, and all visitors to a house owned by the account.

Waseem

ZOS_RichLambert wrote: »
Extra storage in your home is something we know a number of you would love. It's something we'd love as well, but when we looked at all of the things had to get in for the base system, we had to draw the line somewhere. Additional storage didn't make the cut.

translation from developers language to english:
get eso+ for crafting bag to help you with storage or stfu

Soafee

You have a full roster of characters with all fully upgraded inventories/Bank already and you need MORE? You're asking ZoS to keep enabling your hording problem... I totally agree with them not allowing it in the houses. Like they already said they had to draw the line some where. Why do you need to keep gear that sits in your inventory if you only play two of your characters and use the rest as pack mules?

Bouldercleave

As it is currently being implemented, housing is almost pointless and decorating is completely a waste of time and effort.

This is an MMO, but the the way housing is being rolled out is more geared to single player.

1. No direct bank access
2. No direct guild store access
3. No storage
4. No reason for other players to visit your home
5. No display possibilities

What we got that was good was:

1. Training dummy (MUCH needed)
2. Attunable crafting stations (GREAT idea)
3. Much needed love for the crafters

Now if you look at those two lists, which one looks more MMO and which one looks more Single Player?

Without a reason for other players to come and visit your home (with the notable exception of RP, which very few people actually do), Why on earth would anyone drop millions of coins or lots of real world dollars to buy one of these virtual bits of fluff?

In my opinion, ZoS just saved me several million gold that I was hoarding for housing. I see ZERO use for it in its current deployment. Very disappointing, as I was eagerly waiting for it to be rolled out.

Asardes

To be clear, my storage problem is not related to materials. In fact the increases availability of top tier base materials in One Tamriel has made keeping large quantities of those unnecessary. I have sold most of my materials in guild stores in the first couple of months after the update. Only one of my bank characters is storing materials, and her inventory is only about 80% full, including incomplete stacks of lower tier materials that are meant for selling later. So I can easily manage my crafting materials without craft bag, just using the bank and maybe 150 slots on one character.

The real problem is sets, because the high incertitude and low probability of getting the desired slot and trait when you actually need it. If I come across a divines armor piece or sharpened weapon from a set that could be useful I keep it. Because if I let it go I might not get to see it again, even when farming specifically. Some of my monster sets and 5 pieces sets like Spell Power Cure, Scathing Mage, Ebon Armory, Leviathan etc. sat in storage for months, while I kept adding to them, and kept leveling the characters that would eventually get to wear them. ATM I have 4 characters that keep gear and they are almost full. Hopefully I won't need more, and as I train positions 9-12, 5-8 will unload their inventory and become active.

There is also the incertitude from constant change in skills, bonuses, and item properties that happens every major patch and even in between. One set that may be marginally useful now may become BiS 1-2 patches from now, because one ability will proc it more, or the formula for damage calculation will change, or the set bonuses will change. And I don't want to waste time getting ideal pieces and traits then, with no guarantee I will. I'd rather enjoy the new content then run laps in the same dungeon for hours, and lose all the pleasure from playing the game because I ran out of space and deconned that sharp weapon 2 months before.

And I am by no means a "hoarder". In fact I am pretty strict with what I kept. A few weeks after One Tamriel was released I was seeing the space on my two bank characters filling up, so at one point I took the decision to decon BoP or sell BoE sets that I didn't consider useful. The first "victims" were the sets that provided bonuses available from skills and potions, like Dreugh King Slayer, Treasure Hunder, Toothrow, Rattlecage, Medusa etc. When I get an item from one of those sets now I just see a temper, a style item and a base material. And I am very stingy with crafted sets. For example my 5 piece Julianos is shared by both my veteran level magicka characters, the 5 piece Willow's Path which was cast of by my DK in favor of Tava's Blessing is now kept by my sorc and I reused my training gear while leveling my chars.

I will manage even if the houses never provide storage, the same way I am doing now, by training bank chars and thoroughly filtering items. I will just not put any money, especially RL cash in them.

Mitoice

Without any functional features like storage, gardening for gathering plants like columbine in my house... housing will only keep me occupied for like 1 day till i get bored and move on to other things... and im only doing housing because of the lack of new features or content in this new patch....

Mitoice

Ive tried housing on PTS and you will get bored after a day..... then after that is one of two things... keep doing PvP, dungeons or trials... or waste your time farming useless nonfunctional housing items