No Storage With Player Housing at Initial Release - Can you PLEASE rethink this ZOS?

lagrue

Joy_Division wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

If you want to be a crafter, you're basically forced to buy a sub and that stinks. They promised all the stuff to play the game would be available outside the crown store and paying, but that's not the case.

I played 2 years without it. You can too, it's not "needed" to play, or even be a crafter - is it fun to have countless mats? No. Is it feasible to still play and be a crafter? Totally.

Feasible as in juggling inventory between alts and a bank every time I play. What fun! Stop apologizing for ZoS. Whoever heard of a house you own that you can;t put stuff in? No excuse for not having storage.

Do you need to move 200+ items everytime you play? If so you're doing something wrong. Why don't you try subbing, you'll never have to juggle mats again - but lemme guess, you want everything for free? I'm not apologizing for ZOS, I can just see why storage isn't implemented lol. Besides, apparently they are adding it later on so this whole thread is crying for nothing.

It just doesn't make sense to me. I'm subbed, and I only have one character. And somehow - just somehow, at CP 300+ now, I have never once had a full bank or inventory. All this tells me is that other players out there mismanage their inventories. If you want to hoard every set piece you find, no matter how worthless... well, that's a real you problem. It's not something the game mechanics should be bent to accommodate. There is 100% no logical reason, other than habitual hoarding, for a player to use more than the allotted slots. I've yet to see a rational response as to how people are actually using this space. Most responses to this statement are that 'I don't get to decide what's in people's inventories' - which fair enough I don't, it doesn't mean you aren't still filling up your inventories with trash lol....

Learn to manage your inventories.

Unsent.Soul

lagrue wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

If you want to be a crafter, you're basically forced to buy a sub and that stinks. They promised all the stuff to play the game would be available outside the crown store and paying, but that's not the case.

I played 2 years without it. You can too, it's not "needed" to play, or even be a crafter - is it fun to have countless mats? No. Is it feasible to still play and be a crafter? Totally.

Feasible as in juggling inventory between alts and a bank every time I play. What fun! Stop apologizing for ZoS. Whoever heard of a house you own that you can;t put stuff in? No excuse for not having storage.

Do you need to move 200+ items everytime you play? If so you're doing something wrong.

It just doesn't make sense to me. I'm subbed, and I only have one character.

This right here, tells me you should not be commenting about people not having enough space.

You play how you want... stop telling people how they should play.

Unsent.Soul

lagrue wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

If you want to be a crafter, you're basically forced to buy a sub and that stinks. They promised all the stuff to play the game would be available outside the crown store and paying, but that's not the case.

I played 2 years without it. You can too, it's not "needed" to play, or even be a crafter - is it fun to have countless mats? No. Is it feasible to still play and be a crafter? Totally.

Feasible as in juggling inventory between alts and a bank every time I play. What fun! Stop apologizing for ZoS. Whoever heard of a house you own that you can;t put stuff in? No excuse for not having storage.

Do you need to move 200+ items everytime you play? If so you're doing something wrong.

It just doesn't make sense to me. I'm subbed, and I only have one character.

This right here, tells me you should not be commenting about people not having enough space.

You play how you want... stop telling people how they should play.

Drazkyth

I find this whole concept of player housing with no storage absolutely ridiculous, ZoS continually do the opposite of what the vast majority of the player base wants, I'm no business expert but surely this cannot be a good long term business plan. ESO will fade into nothing if this keeps up.

lagrue

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

If you want to be a crafter, you're basically forced to buy a sub and that stinks. They promised all the stuff to play the game would be available outside the crown store and paying, but that's not the case.

I played 2 years without it. You can too, it's not "needed" to play, or even be a crafter - is it fun to have countless mats? No. Is it feasible to still play and be a crafter? Totally.

Feasible as in juggling inventory between alts and a bank every time I play. What fun! Stop apologizing for ZoS. Whoever heard of a house you own that you can;t put stuff in? No excuse for not having storage.

Do you need to move 200+ items everytime you play? If so you're doing something wrong.

It just doesn't make sense to me. I'm subbed, and I only have one character.

This right here, tells me you should not be commenting about people not having enough space.

You play how you want... stop telling people how they should play.

Just because you want to play in an inefficient way, nobody can stop you - but it doesn't mean the game should accommodate your poor choices. Enjoy your free will, and lack of inventory space. I'll go back to enjoying all my inventory space because I'm not a complete hoarder. I make do with 400 slots, and I know I can get 1400 more easily for storage if needed - but no player in this game needs to access over 200+ items a day, it just isn't logical unless you're playing stupidly.

I'm not telling anybody how to play - I'm telling them they play inefficiently, it's a fact. Basically I'm judging, not giving orders.

AnnieBeGood

I am disappointed in no storage..... just Elder Sims Online....

Unsent.Soul

lagrue wrote: »

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

If you want to be a crafter, you're basically forced to buy a sub and that stinks. They promised all the stuff to play the game would be available outside the crown store and paying, but that's not the case.

I played 2 years without it. You can too, it's not "needed" to play, or even be a crafter - is it fun to have countless mats? No. Is it feasible to still play and be a crafter? Totally.

Feasible as in juggling inventory between alts and a bank every time I play. What fun! Stop apologizing for ZoS. Whoever heard of a house you own that you can;t put stuff in? No excuse for not having storage.

Do you need to move 200+ items everytime you play? If so you're doing something wrong.

It just doesn't make sense to me. I'm subbed, and I only have one character.

This right here, tells me you should not be commenting about people not having enough space.

You play how you want... stop telling people how they should play.

Just because you want to play in an inefficient way, nobody can stop you - but it doesn't mean the game should accommodate your poor choices. Enjoy your free will, and lack of inventory space. I'll go back to enjoying all my inventory space because I'm not a complete hoarder. I make do with 400 slots, and I know I can get 1400 more easily for storage if needed - but no player in this game needs to access over 200+ items a day, it just isn't logical unless you're playing stupidly.

I'm not telling anybody how to play - I'm telling them they play inefficiently, it's a fact. Basically I'm judging, not giving orders.

You have 1 character...... and nobody asked you to judge how they play or what they keep. I have multiple characters and depending on the group, I may have a few different gear sets, other items that are situational, Crafted gear that's not worth decon, other items that may not get used constantly.

Rouven

@Vaoh

Personally I'm not bummed out about the storage part, I didn't expect the total freedom of placing items for example.

Thinking about this a bit it seems to be obvious to me that the reasoning (of not including storage) is not a technical one. Maybe I'm totally wrong and if someone is able to please correct me.

I would believe - and I'm not trying to me mean here - it has more to do with monetizing the inventory. Which is fine, a lot of these games do it in one form or another. Having the bottomless materials bag as a subscriber is a huge bonus in my mind.

How would you feel if there will be a mannequin in the crown store. This mannequin will hold one set of equipment (so storage) and also display it. Would you buy it? Don't know - let's say 1000 crowns.

A pantry to store ... 1000 "meals"?

A display of sorts for one weapon, a jewelery box for 100 rings?

Would we "embrace" this or "condemn" it for being greedy?

For the record, I would absolutely love for any or all of this to be in-game achievable, be it crafted or otherwise. Vaoh simple got me thinking about it because I would love to display armour and weapons as well.

svartorn

The fact that housing has no storage is a huge mis-step.

I'll probably get one anyway becase I'm super RP tho.

PaigeEvenstar

As a complete hoarder myself i can really understand the people screaming for the need for more storage.
Therefor i can't understand the lack of priority to adding storage to housing.
It's simply bad marketing, call it what you want but once again ZOS misses out on a lot of income.

The very least ZOS can do to sattisfy the loothoarder among this great community is add say 200 more spots to your bankaccount, so you can properly think out how storage in housing is going to look. Do it in the same dl people will need for the housing, keep your loothoarders like me satisfied and keep storage on a "to-do-list" for the housing.

Really ZOS, i can't see why not. If nothing else then explain to us as community the why's, because we might even agree with your reasons after a descent explanation.
But yeh, lack of communication seems to be to thing to do these days >.<

SlayerSyrena

I really need extra storage. All 12 character slots of mine are full, and I had to convert two end game characters to mules just because my bank is full (with slots maxed as well).

Housing not adding storage is a major disappointment. Please rethink this, ZOS.

Karius_Imalthar

I think OP is being over dramatic. Storage in housing is a nice-to-have but not a big deal. For example, there were storage chests in Lord of the Rings Online. In my experience this was where you put stuff to die. It was inconvenient to go to the house, find the right chest, sift through it to find what you wanted, split stacks, etc. It was just a place to dump junk.

If you need to store things for a longer period of time then put them on a mule. Use an addon like Inventory Insight or MobileBank Extended to be able to search for items among all your characters.

I put all my disguises on one character and all my unused sets on another character.

stevenbennett_ESO

The relatively simple (from a coding and DB storage perspective) solution to housing storage would be to make storage slots a subset of the overall housing furniture slots. So if you place a chest which holds 16 items, it would take 17 housing furniture slots to place - 1 for the chest and 16 for storing items. The 16 stored items in that chest then take up the same DB space the furniture items would have taken (hopefully their identifiers are somewhat compatible...), and the only real UI changes would be the UI needed to add and remove items from the container.

Of course, to get those items out of storage, you would have to go to that specific house and manually fetch them out of the chest. (Honestly, I'd hope all Housing based storage works that way -- I would really prefer secondary storage which is NOT accessible from crafting stations and the like, because I can't count how many times I've accidentally researched or deconstructed an item I'd stored in the bank for later -- if I'm storing something in a house, I want it to *stay* there...)

Further, using the same concept, we could eventually add specialized storage like an Armor Mannequin which allows you to store a set of armor in a displayable form, or a Weapons rack, or a Bookshelf or Potions Rack, etc.

Obviously it's a bit too late to get something like this in the next update, but I'm wondering if this kind of storage would be an acceptable solution for people? I'd find it more than suitable myself, but I'm not sure it fits the needs of others.

lagrue

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

If you want to be a crafter, you're basically forced to buy a sub and that stinks. They promised all the stuff to play the game would be available outside the crown store and paying, but that's not the case.

I played 2 years without it. You can too, it's not "needed" to play, or even be a crafter - is it fun to have countless mats? No. Is it feasible to still play and be a crafter? Totally.

Feasible as in juggling inventory between alts and a bank every time I play. What fun! Stop apologizing for ZoS. Whoever heard of a house you own that you can;t put stuff in? No excuse for not having storage.

Do you need to move 200+ items everytime you play? If so you're doing something wrong.

It just doesn't make sense to me. I'm subbed, and I only have one character.

This right here, tells me you should not be commenting about people not having enough space.

You play how you want... stop telling people how they should play.

Just because you want to play in an inefficient way, nobody can stop you - but it doesn't mean the game should accommodate your poor choices. Enjoy your free will, and lack of inventory space. I'll go back to enjoying all my inventory space because I'm not a complete hoarder. I make do with 400 slots, and I know I can get 1400 more easily for storage if needed - but no player in this game needs to access over 200+ items a day, it just isn't logical unless you're playing stupidly.

I'm not telling anybody how to play - I'm telling them they play inefficiently, it's a fact. Basically I'm judging, not giving orders.

You have 1 character...... and nobody asked you to judge how they play or what they keep. I have multiple characters and depending on the group, I may have a few different gear sets, other items that are situational, Crafted gear that's not worth decon, other items that may not get used constantly.

Yeah 1 character who's CP300+ and I do everything with - sorry, as a college student I don't have time to have 8 toons on the fly. Even if I did, my inventory situation wouldn't change, because my inventory management abilities would remain the same. I know there's no logical reason for me to have 8 sets in my backpack at a time. (I actually have a toon storage mule for my crown items, and one day I'll play her - I just didn't feel she's worth mentioning because I don't actively use her.)

Also... If it's not worth deconstructing then how do you rationalize it as worth keeping? Hoarder. It's that simple. Items that don't get used constantly? Transfer them to a toon... like are you really carrying around outfits you use for one mission only?

What exactly are you blowing your inventory space on? I shouldn't even ask because I'm sure right now you have an empty inventory and are just here to complain.

Jeremy

lagrue wrote: »

Vivecc wrote: »

i haven´t read thru all of this, so maybe its already mentioned - but i´ll say it again:
we had to work with the same amounts of available space for a long time ( crafting bags excluded cuz only mats) but over time we got lots of additional gear implemented. So in my opinion its direly needed to increase the storage volume. If its only a trunk for 50 items i´d be happy, but no storage in the housing ? not cool !

There are 1800 slots available in the game between Characters, Bank and Mount upgrades. You can "buy" 200 more slots, by buying new toons and doing the upgrades. So you can technically have infinite storage space as is, just not for free. But without spending real money, and just a little gold in-game, you can achieve 1800 slots.

I know alot of stuff has been added to the game over time - but there is no reason to hoard every set item you come across, there is no reason for a Stamina build to hoard magicka build sets just because you have some OCD tendencies. There is no reason for a CP 500 player to store level 50 stamina potions, etc. etc.

I'll say what I've said earlier in the thread. Ya'll need to learn to manage your inventories.

It was obvious ZOS wasn't going to hand out storage space - the biggest and best feature of being subbed right now is the crafting bag, which saves hundreds of slots of inventory space. If they gave even a handful of slots per house, you'd see a sharp decline in subs.

Realistically this is an MMO, and not a JRPG or regular RPG where you can go out and collect everything. It just doesn't work like that, and it was never intended to.

It is annoying having to create multiple mule characters and continuously log in and out retrieving and storing items though. Why not just let players spend their gold on an account-wide storage system in their House instead? That would make a lot more sense and annoy players less.

Also I don't agree with you that unless you hoard stuff you shouldn't have any inventory issues if you just learn how to manage your inventory properly. Maybe if you are subscriber and have access to the crafting bag that may be the case. But just storing relevant crafting materials alone (ingots, wood, provisions, plants, cloth, runes..etc..) will quickly fill up even an upgraded bank. And this is to say nothing of all the gear sets you want to experiment with or use on your character.

lagrue

Jeremy wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

Vivecc wrote: »

i haven´t read thru all of this, so maybe its already mentioned - but i´ll say it again:
we had to work with the same amounts of available space for a long time ( crafting bags excluded cuz only mats) but over time we got lots of additional gear implemented. So in my opinion its direly needed to increase the storage volume. If its only a trunk for 50 items i´d be happy, but no storage in the housing ? not cool !

There are 1800 slots available in the game between Characters, Bank and Mount upgrades. You can "buy" 200 more slots, by buying new toons and doing the upgrades. So you can technically have infinite storage space as is, just not for free. But without spending real money, and just a little gold in-game, you can achieve 1800 slots.

I know alot of stuff has been added to the game over time - but there is no reason to hoard every set item you come across, there is no reason for a Stamina build to hoard magicka build sets just because you have some OCD tendencies. There is no reason for a CP 500 player to store level 50 stamina potions, etc. etc.

I'll say what I've said earlier in the thread. Ya'll need to learn to manage your inventories.

It was obvious ZOS wasn't going to hand out storage space - the biggest and best feature of being subbed right now is the crafting bag, which saves hundreds of slots of inventory space. If they gave even a handful of slots per house, you'd see a sharp decline in subs.

Realistically this is an MMO, and not a JRPG or regular RPG where you can go out and collect everything. It just doesn't work like that, and it was never intended to.

It is annoying having to create multiple mule characters and continuously log in and out retrieving and storing items though. Why not just let players spend their gold on an account-wide storage system in the House instead? That would make a lot more sense and annoy players less.

Also I don't agree with you that unless you hoard stuff you shouldn't have any inventory issues if you just learn how to manage your inventory properly. Maybe if you are subscriber and have access to the crafting bag that may be the case. But just storing relevant crafting materials alone (ingots, wood, provisions, plants, cloth, runes..etc..) will quickly fill up even an upgraded bank. And this is to say nothing of all the gear sets you want to experiment with or use on your character.

Buy the crafting bag then. Boom. Problem solved in regards to mats.

This is one thing other people, including myself have mentioned a few times. If ZOS gives you inventory space, then your incentive to sub and get the crafting bag goes down. They want more subs, not less.

It's almost like people want all the cool perks of being able to carry unlimited stuff for free....

Jeremy

lagrue wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

Vivecc wrote: »

i haven´t read thru all of this, so maybe its already mentioned - but i´ll say it again:
we had to work with the same amounts of available space for a long time ( crafting bags excluded cuz only mats) but over time we got lots of additional gear implemented. So in my opinion its direly needed to increase the storage volume. If its only a trunk for 50 items i´d be happy, but no storage in the housing ? not cool !

There are 1800 slots available in the game between Characters, Bank and Mount upgrades. You can "buy" 200 more slots, by buying new toons and doing the upgrades. So you can technically have infinite storage space as is, just not for free. But without spending real money, and just a little gold in-game, you can achieve 1800 slots.

I know alot of stuff has been added to the game over time - but there is no reason to hoard every set item you come across, there is no reason for a Stamina build to hoard magicka build sets just because you have some OCD tendencies. There is no reason for a CP 500 player to store level 50 stamina potions, etc. etc.

I'll say what I've said earlier in the thread. Ya'll need to learn to manage your inventories.

It was obvious ZOS wasn't going to hand out storage space - the biggest and best feature of being subbed right now is the crafting bag, which saves hundreds of slots of inventory space. If they gave even a handful of slots per house, you'd see a sharp decline in subs.

Realistically this is an MMO, and not a JRPG or regular RPG where you can go out and collect everything. It just doesn't work like that, and it was never intended to.

It is annoying having to create multiple mule characters and continuously log in and out retrieving and storing items though. Why not just let players spend their gold on an account-wide storage system in the House instead? That would make a lot more sense and annoy players less.

Also I don't agree with you that unless you hoard stuff you shouldn't have any inventory issues if you just learn how to manage your inventory properly. Maybe if you are subscriber and have access to the crafting bag that may be the case. But just storing relevant crafting materials alone (ingots, wood, provisions, plants, cloth, runes..etc..) will quickly fill up even an upgraded bank. And this is to say nothing of all the gear sets you want to experiment with or use on your character.

Buy the crafting bag then. Boom. Problem solved in regards to mats.

This is one thing other people, including myself have mentioned a few times. If ZOS gives you inventory space, then your incentive to sub and get the crafting bag goes down. They want more subs, not less.

It's almost like people want all the cool perks of being able to carry unlimited stuff for free....

They also want more players, not less - and trying to force them into subscribing by annoying them with inventory issues isn't likely to succeed in that regard.

If they want to secure the value of the crafting bag via subscriptions they can - just make most of the inventory additions through housing a wardrobe or something that stores gear and not materials. I would be ok with that.

In any case: it's the smarter development decision to just let players add to storage via housing instead of expecting them to create multiple mule characters and then become frustrated with endless log ins and outs. That's just not a good solution.

Unsent.Soul

lagrue wrote: »

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

If you want to be a crafter, you're basically forced to buy a sub and that stinks. They promised all the stuff to play the game would be available outside the crown store and paying, but that's not the case.

I played 2 years without it. You can too, it's not "needed" to play, or even be a crafter - is it fun to have countless mats? No. Is it feasible to still play and be a crafter? Totally.

Feasible as in juggling inventory between alts and a bank every time I play. What fun! Stop apologizing for ZoS. Whoever heard of a house you own that you can;t put stuff in? No excuse for not having storage.

Do you need to move 200+ items everytime you play? If so you're doing something wrong.

It just doesn't make sense to me. I'm subbed, and I only have one character.

This right here, tells me you should not be commenting about people not having enough space.

You play how you want... stop telling people how they should play.

Just because you want to play in an inefficient way, nobody can stop you - but it doesn't mean the game should accommodate your poor choices. Enjoy your free will, and lack of inventory space. I'll go back to enjoying all my inventory space because I'm not a complete hoarder. I make do with 400 slots, and I know I can get 1400 more easily for storage if needed - but no player in this game needs to access over 200+ items a day, it just isn't logical unless you're playing stupidly.

I'm not telling anybody how to play - I'm telling them they play inefficiently, it's a fact. Basically I'm judging, not giving orders.

You have 1 character...... and nobody asked you to judge how they play or what they keep. I have multiple characters and depending on the group, I may have a few different gear sets, other items that are situational, Crafted gear that's not worth decon, other items that may not get used constantly.

Yeah 1 character who's CP300+ and I do everything with - sorry, as a college student I don't have time to have 8 toons on the fly. Even if I did, my inventory situation wouldn't change, because my inventory management abilities would remain the same. I know there's no logical reason for me to have 8 sets in my backpack at a time. (I actually have a toon storage mule for my crown items, and one day I'll play her - I just didn't feel she's worth mentioning because I don't actively use her.)

Also... If it's not worth deconstructing then how do you rationalize it as worth keeping? Hoarder. It's that simple. Items that don't get used constantly? Transfer them to a toon... like are you really carrying around outfits you use for one mission only?

What exactly are you blowing your inventory space on? I shouldn't even ask because I'm sure right now you have an empty inventory and are just here to complain.

I don't understand why you are so against other players having more options. You instantly disregard anything anyone says because your situation is different. You judge people based on the fact they would prefer more storage space? Rather pathetic if you ask me...

Telling people to just buy eso + for a crafting bag... lol, ya just force everyone to eso + for a bag... great sales rep you are.

Have you played since 1T? Do you not thoerycraft? Do you not try things out to see the differences in your specific situation?

LinearParadox

LMFAO this is great!!!
So not only did hou$ing become ANOTHER $$$ grab with houses for crown$, furnature for crown$, and EXCLU$IVE hou$e$ for more crown$, but arguably the most important feature "didn't make the cut" for launch!? I can't WAIT to see what was more important than the storage everyone's been begging for. BTW, storage was literally the ONLY thing I was remotely interested in for housing, so thanks.
I have no idea where your resources are assigned Zo$, since you won't tell anyone and don't communicate, but I hope for everyone's sake -including yours- that you're working on something big, and I mean BIG.
People are getting mighty SICK AND TIRED of watching bugs languish for months, years even, or highly anticipated additions like this get put off indefinitely, no ETA, etc. Major balance issues that're KILLING PvP, nothing but a non-committal "yeah, things aren't quite right".
But cash grabs? RIGHT on time! New crown store items like clockwork. Cash only motifs, cash only houses, cash only furnature... you're sure asking for a lot of money from the player base, I think we'd like to know WHERE THE *** IT'S GOING since it feels like we're not getting jack we ask for, and getting plenty were NOT asking for, like crown crates.

Yeah, /rant, salt, whatever.

lagrue

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

If you want to be a crafter, you're basically forced to buy a sub and that stinks. They promised all the stuff to play the game would be available outside the crown store and paying, but that's not the case.

I played 2 years without it. You can too, it's not "needed" to play, or even be a crafter - is it fun to have countless mats? No. Is it feasible to still play and be a crafter? Totally.

Feasible as in juggling inventory between alts and a bank every time I play. What fun! Stop apologizing for ZoS. Whoever heard of a house you own that you can;t put stuff in? No excuse for not having storage.

Do you need to move 200+ items everytime you play? If so you're doing something wrong.

It just doesn't make sense to me. I'm subbed, and I only have one character.

This right here, tells me you should not be commenting about people not having enough space.

You play how you want... stop telling people how they should play.

Just because you want to play in an inefficient way, nobody can stop you - but it doesn't mean the game should accommodate your poor choices. Enjoy your free will, and lack of inventory space. I'll go back to enjoying all my inventory space because I'm not a complete hoarder. I make do with 400 slots, and I know I can get 1400 more easily for storage if needed - but no player in this game needs to access over 200+ items a day, it just isn't logical unless you're playing stupidly.

I'm not telling anybody how to play - I'm telling them they play inefficiently, it's a fact. Basically I'm judging, not giving orders.

You have 1 character...... and nobody asked you to judge how they play or what they keep. I have multiple characters and depending on the group, I may have a few different gear sets, other items that are situational, Crafted gear that's not worth decon, other items that may not get used constantly.

Yeah 1 character who's CP300+ and I do everything with - sorry, as a college student I don't have time to have 8 toons on the fly. Even if I did, my inventory situation wouldn't change, because my inventory management abilities would remain the same. I know there's no logical reason for me to have 8 sets in my backpack at a time. (I actually have a toon storage mule for my crown items, and one day I'll play her - I just didn't feel she's worth mentioning because I don't actively use her.)

Also... If it's not worth deconstructing then how do you rationalize it as worth keeping? Hoarder. It's that simple. Items that don't get used constantly? Transfer them to a toon... like are you really carrying around outfits you use for one mission only?

What exactly are you blowing your inventory space on? I shouldn't even ask because I'm sure right now you have an empty inventory and are just here to complain.

I don't understand why you are so against other players having more options. You instantly disregard anything anyone says because your situation is different. You judge people based on the fact they would prefer more storage space? Rather pathetic if you ask me...

Telling people to just buy eso + for a crafting bag... lol, ya just force everyone to eso + for a bag... great sales rep you are.

Have you played since 1T? Do you not thoerycraft? Do you not try things out to see the differences in your specific situation?

I'm not against options. Just against the incandescent [snip] going on in this thread. We already know we're getting storage for houses in the future - why are people still crying? I mean really, why does this thread still exist. You are going to get your way - just not right away.

And yeah - I'm gonna promote the crafting back, and as a result subs - because subs are what's running this game, not your $20 buy-all DLCs and base game package at gamestop. If you want the game to improve you have to be willing to pay a little. Why do you think ZOS is trying out new revenue streams like crown crates - it isn't greed, it's because without subscriptions they cannot maintain the quality of game the community is demanding. At this point in time subs alone aren't even doing anymore... obviously it takes money to sustain an MMO, and with not enough coming in, they have to try new tactics to 'hijack' your wallet - such as locking features like the Crafting Bag behind subs. (Fun story, I once asked, as a subscriber for the crafting bag to be available to all and got absolutely torn apart.) I understand the inventory space issue for some players, but there is options to alleviate it.

Lately people are snapping about Crown Crates, and now this. People keep saying ZOS is just in it for the money - that's not true, it's the players, clearly, who are in it for the money. ZOS is trying to supplement the game in any way they can and the playerbase keeps actively working against that. Why do you think the crafting bag is even for Plus? It's not because ZOS wanted to be dinks, it's because they have to incentivize their revenue stream.

This game should just go back to sub only, watch as all the criers die off. Everybody has all these demands - but can't even fork over $15 a month lmao

If inventory space is an issue, and you don't like the direction ZOS takes with inventory space, then try to understand where they're coming from. Of course just handing out more inventory space like it's nothing is something to consider - especially when subs are the main thing supplementing this game right now, and those subs are by large tied to the crafting bag. If you want to watch the game go down the toilet, then by all means, infinite inventory space for all.

And by the way, you can "theory craft" with many of the great tools available online for making builds lol... still no reason to haul around 200 gear pieces...

Vaoh

lagrue wrote: »

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

If you want to be a crafter, you're basically forced to buy a sub and that stinks. They promised all the stuff to play the game would be available outside the crown store and paying, but that's not the case.

I played 2 years without it. You can too, it's not "needed" to play, or even be a crafter - is it fun to have countless mats? No. Is it feasible to still play and be a crafter? Totally.

Feasible as in juggling inventory between alts and a bank every time I play. What fun! Stop apologizing for ZoS. Whoever heard of a house you own that you can;t put stuff in? No excuse for not having storage.

Do you need to move 200+ items everytime you play? If so you're doing something wrong.

It just doesn't make sense to me. I'm subbed, and I only have one character.

This right here, tells me you should not be commenting about people not having enough space.

You play how you want... stop telling people how they should play.

Just because you want to play in an inefficient way, nobody can stop you - but it doesn't mean the game should accommodate your poor choices. Enjoy your free will, and lack of inventory space. I'll go back to enjoying all my inventory space because I'm not a complete hoarder. I make do with 400 slots, and I know I can get 1400 more easily for storage if needed - but no player in this game needs to access over 200+ items a day, it just isn't logical unless you're playing stupidly.

I'm not telling anybody how to play - I'm telling them they play inefficiently, it's a fact. Basically I'm judging, not giving orders.

You have 1 character...... and nobody asked you to judge how they play or what they keep. I have multiple characters and depending on the group, I may have a few different gear sets, other items that are situational, Crafted gear that's not worth decon, other items that may not get used constantly.

Yeah 1 character who's CP300+ and I do everything with - sorry, as a college student I don't have time to have 8 toons on the fly. Even if I did, my inventory situation wouldn't change, because my inventory management abilities would remain the same. I know there's no logical reason for me to have 8 sets in my backpack at a time. (I actually have a toon storage mule for my crown items, and one day I'll play her - I just didn't feel she's worth mentioning because I don't actively use her.)

Also... If it's not worth deconstructing then how do you rationalize it as worth keeping? Hoarder. It's that simple. Items that don't get used constantly? Transfer them to a toon... like are you really carrying around outfits you use for one mission only?

What exactly are you blowing your inventory space on? I shouldn't even ask because I'm sure right now you have an empty inventory and are just here to complain.

I don't understand why you are so against other players having more options. You instantly disregard anything anyone says because your situation is different. You judge people based on the fact they would prefer more storage space? Rather pathetic if you ask me...

Telling people to just buy eso + for a crafting bag... lol, ya just force everyone to eso + for a bag... great sales rep you are.

Have you played since 1T? Do you not thoerycraft? Do you not try things out to see the differences in your specific situation?

I'm not against options. Just against the incandescent [snip] going on in this thread. We already know we're getting storage for houses in the future - why are people still crying? I mean really, why does this thread still exist. You are going to get your way - just not right away.

And yeah - I'm gonna promote the crafting back, and as a result subs - because subs are what's running this game, not your $20 buy-all DLCs and base game package at gamestop. If you want the game to improve you have to be willing to pay a little. Why do you think ZOS is trying out new revenue streams like crown crates - it isn't greed, it's because without subscriptions they cannot maintain the quality of game the community is demanding.

Lately people are snapping about Crown Crates, and now this. People keep saying ZOS is just in it for the money - that's not true, it's the players, clearly, who are in it for the money. ZOS is trying to supplement the game in any way they can and the playerbase keeps actively working against that.

This game should just go back to sub only, watch as all the criers die off. Everybody has all these demands - but can't even fork over $15 a month lmao

If inventory space is an issue, and you don't like the direction ZOS takes with inventory space, then try to understand where they're coming from. Of course just handing out more inventory space like it's nothing is something to consider - especially when subs are the main thing supplementing this game right now, and those subs are by large tied to the crafting bag.

And by the way, you can "theory craft" with many of the great tools available online for making builds lol... still no reason to haul around 200 gear pieces.

You can still run out of space theorycrafting with Craft Bags. 257 sets exist in game. The point is to try out a lot of the sets for fun, not look at it and say "not BiS or cancer so idc".

The space limit is already highly cirvumvented by Subs and Non-Subs alike via pack mules.

Player Housing was supposed to alleviate the need for pack mules and largely the bank. Make things much more fun. Crafting materials could have purposely not been made storable as well.

Sure a tiny minority of us will never need more than 200 storage. How about the large majority though? I know multiple players in guilds of close friends that utilize guild banks as extra storage as well.

Feel free to defend your argument. It's a horrible one to make. ZOS loves people like you as they live anyone who would defend them when they make terrible decisions right in front of us.

For the record, I'm a Subscriber as well. I subscribe when a major patch drops, but have decided to use my "quarterly sub" early because Player Housing will provide little value to me without storage, and the PvP balancing will likely fail again. Might as well use it now and then slowly stray away from ESO until Storage arrives/PvP improves/real content releases.

Unsent.Soul

lagrue wrote: »

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

If you want to be a crafter, you're basically forced to buy a sub and that stinks. They promised all the stuff to play the game would be available outside the crown store and paying, but that's not the case.

I played 2 years without it. You can too, it's not "needed" to play, or even be a crafter - is it fun to have countless mats? No. Is it feasible to still play and be a crafter? Totally.

Feasible as in juggling inventory between alts and a bank every time I play. What fun! Stop apologizing for ZoS. Whoever heard of a house you own that you can;t put stuff in? No excuse for not having storage.

Do you need to move 200+ items everytime you play? If so you're doing something wrong.

It just doesn't make sense to me. I'm subbed, and I only have one character.

This right here, tells me you should not be commenting about people not having enough space.

You play how you want... stop telling people how they should play.

Just because you want to play in an inefficient way, nobody can stop you - but it doesn't mean the game should accommodate your poor choices. Enjoy your free will, and lack of inventory space. I'll go back to enjoying all my inventory space because I'm not a complete hoarder. I make do with 400 slots, and I know I can get 1400 more easily for storage if needed - but no player in this game needs to access over 200+ items a day, it just isn't logical unless you're playing stupidly.

I'm not telling anybody how to play - I'm telling them they play inefficiently, it's a fact. Basically I'm judging, not giving orders.

You have 1 character...... and nobody asked you to judge how they play or what they keep. I have multiple characters and depending on the group, I may have a few different gear sets, other items that are situational, Crafted gear that's not worth decon, other items that may not get used constantly.

Yeah 1 character who's CP300+ and I do everything with - sorry, as a college student I don't have time to have 8 toons on the fly. Even if I did, my inventory situation wouldn't change, because my inventory management abilities would remain the same. I know there's no logical reason for me to have 8 sets in my backpack at a time. (I actually have a toon storage mule for my crown items, and one day I'll play her - I just didn't feel she's worth mentioning because I don't actively use her.)

Also... If it's not worth deconstructing then how do you rationalize it as worth keeping? Hoarder. It's that simple. Items that don't get used constantly? Transfer them to a toon... like are you really carrying around outfits you use for one mission only?

What exactly are you blowing your inventory space on? I shouldn't even ask because I'm sure right now you have an empty inventory and are just here to complain.

I don't understand why you are so against other players having more options. You instantly disregard anything anyone says because your situation is different. You judge people based on the fact they would prefer more storage space? Rather pathetic if you ask me...

Telling people to just buy eso + for a crafting bag... lol, ya just force everyone to eso + for a bag... great sales rep you are.

Have you played since 1T? Do you not thoerycraft? Do you not try things out to see the differences in your specific situation?

I'm not against options. Just against the incandescent [snip] going on in this thread. We already know we're getting storage for houses in the future - why are people still crying? I mean really, why does this thread still exist. You are going to get your way - just not right away.

And yeah - I'm gonna promote the crafting back, and as a result subs - because subs are what's running this game, not your $20 buy-all DLCs and base game package at gamestop. If you want the game to improve you have to be willing to pay a little. Why do you think ZOS is trying out new revenue streams like crown crates - it isn't greed, it's because without subscriptions they cannot maintain the quality of game the community is demanding. At this point in time subs alone aren't even doing anymore... obviously it takes money to sustain an MMO, and with not enough coming in, they have to try new tactics to 'hijack' your wallet - such as locking features like the Crafting Bag behind subs. (Fun story, I once asked, as a subscriber for the crafting bag to be available to all and got absolutely torn apart.) I understand the inventory space issue for some players, but there is options to alleviate it.

Lately people are snapping about Crown Crates, and now this. People keep saying ZOS is just in it for the money - that's not true, it's the players, clearly, who are in it for the money. ZOS is trying to supplement the game in any way they can and the playerbase keeps actively working against that. Why do you think the crafting bag is even for Plus? It's not because ZOS wanted to be dinks, it's because they have to incentivize their revenue stream.

This game should just go back to sub only, watch as all the criers die off. Everybody has all these demands - but can't even fork over $15 a month lmao

If inventory space is an issue, and you don't like the direction ZOS takes with inventory space, then try to understand where they're coming from. Of course just handing out more inventory space like it's nothing is something to consider - especially when subs are the main thing supplementing this game right now, and those subs are by large tied to the crafting bag. If you want to watch the game go down the toilet, then by all means, infinite inventory space for all.

And by the way, you can "theory craft" with many of the great tools available online for making builds lol... still no reason to haul around 200 gear pieces...

This thread is still around because it's still a rather hot topic discussion. Yes they have said we will get storage, and yes, some people are rather heated about the topic at hand but, that doesn't mean there is no reason to have the discussion. You can dispute everything anyone says because you play the right way compared to others.

Just note, their crown sales will suffer for crown purchased houses because of this storage issue. That's a fact, lol, lmao, lol, right?

lagrue

I'll still buy a house with crowns lol. I have the crafting bag to back me up.

leepalmer95

They should just add a increase storage for gold option with the house seller.

Bit like the bank and just increase the bank size or something.

Joy_Division

lagrue wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

lagrue wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

If you want to be a crafter, you're basically forced to buy a sub and that stinks. They promised all the stuff to play the game would be available outside the crown store and paying, but that's not the case.

I played 2 years without it. You can too, it's not "needed" to play, or even be a crafter - is it fun to have countless mats? No. Is it feasible to still play and be a crafter? Totally.

Feasible as in juggling inventory between alts and a bank every time I play. What fun! Stop apologizing for ZoS. Whoever heard of a house you own that you can;t put stuff in? No excuse for not having storage.

Do you need to move 200+ items everytime you play? If so you're doing something wrong. Why don't you try subbing, you'll never have to juggle mats again - but lemme guess, you want everything for free? I'm not apologizing for ZOS, I can just see why storage isn't implemented lol. Besides, apparently they are adding it later on so this whole thread is crying for nothing.

It just doesn't make sense to me. I'm subbed, and I only have one character. And somehow - just somehow, at CP 300+ now, I have never once had a full bank or inventory. All this tells me is that other players out there mismanage their inventories. If you want to hoard every set piece you find, no matter how worthless... well, that's a real you problem. It's not something the game mechanics should be bent to accommodate. There is 100% no logical reason, other than habitual hoarding, for a player to use more than the allotted slots. I've yet to see a rational response as to how people are actually using this space. Most responses to this statement are that 'I don't get to decide what's in people's inventories' - which fair enough I don't, it doesn't mean you aren't still filling up your inventories with trash lol....

Learn to manage your inventories.

Care to tell me how I should play again? Please, tell me how I should play correctly? I must have been absent that day in school when they went over how to play ESO.

And you guess incorrectly. I did not say I wanted it for free. I asked for an in game means (via quest, gold, achievement, combination, whatever) that I could earn a house that I could do what houses are for, mainly storing stuff.

And here is a reason for more than 200+ slots Mr. Looking for Rational Explanation. I play PvP, PvE, heal, tank, DPS, craft everything and I'm competitive. All these roles require different gears sets, different potions, different weapons, etc. I test different gear sets to see which ones might be better for a particular situation because my playing habits vary from day to day with different groups. And since ZoS changes the game's mechanics every six months, it's a good idea not to vendor any sharpened or divines gear you do happen to come across since these are so hard to get, even though it might be considered "trash" under the current system.

diamondeyethunderbow_ESO

You have 1 character...... and nobody asked you to judge how they play or what they keep. I have multiple characters and depending on the group, I may have a few different gear sets, other items that are situational, Crafted gear that's not worth decon, other items that may not get used constantly.

If you posted, you asked for whatever you posted to be judged. We need more judging, not less.

Also, if something isn't worth decon, why is it worth keeping?

Elsonso

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

I don't understand why you are so against other players having more options. You instantly disregard anything anyone says because your situation is different. You judge people based on the fact they would prefer more storage space? Rather pathetic if you ask me...

Telling people to just buy eso + for a crafting bag... lol, ya just force everyone to eso + for a bag... great sales rep you are.

Have you played since 1T? Do you not thoerycraft? Do you not try things out to see the differences in your specific situation?

There are a ton of options available to the players. More really are not needed. There isn't a lack of inventory space in the game. The real issue is one of item retention vs time to store and retrieve them.

Vaoh wrote: »

You can still run out of space theorycrafting with Craft Bags. 257 sets exist in game

There is effectively no upper limit to the amount of storage an individual can have in this game. Players will inventory management issues for one of two reasons:

1. Unwilling to spend the money to get the additional space
2. Unwilling to spend the time needed to store and retrieve items

Again, the issue is item retention vs time to store and retrieve them.

In the end, requests for additional space in this game boil down to getting ZOS to change something because the player does not want to have to pick which one of those two reasons are less important.

Vaoh wrote: »

Sure a tiny minority of us will never need more than 200 storage. How about the large majority though? I know multiple players in guilds of close friends that utilize guild banks as extra storage as well.

Actually, I am thinking this is the reverse. A minority will need more than 380 slots. Most people will just deconstruct, sell, or destroy anything they cannot carry or store. Those with more storage needs for crafting simply go the ESO Plus route and probably won't need anywhere close to 380 for everything else.

Vaoh

lordrichter wrote: »

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

I don't understand why you are so against other players having more options. You instantly disregard anything anyone says because your situation is different. You judge people based on the fact they would prefer more storage space? Rather pathetic if you ask me...

Telling people to just buy eso + for a crafting bag... lol, ya just force everyone to eso + for a bag... great sales rep you are.

Have you played since 1T? Do you not thoerycraft? Do you not try things out to see the differences in your specific situation?

There are a ton of options available to the players. More really are not needed. There isn't a lack of inventory space in the game. The real issue is one of item retention vs time to store and retrieve them.

Vaoh wrote: »

You can still run out of space theorycrafting with Craft Bags. 257 sets exist in game

There is effectively no upper limit to the amount of storage an individual can have in this game. Players will inventory management issues for one of two reasons:

1. Unwilling to spend the money to get the additional space
2. Unwilling to spend the time needed to store and retrieve items

Again, the issue is item retention vs time to store and retrieve them.

In the end, requests for additional space in this game boil down to getting ZOS to change something because the player does not want to have to pick which one of those two reasons are less important.

Vaoh wrote: »

Sure a tiny minority of us will never need more than 200 storage. How about the large majority though? I know multiple players in guilds of close friends that utilize guild banks as extra storage as well.

Actually, I am thinking this is the reverse. A minority will need more than 380 slots. Most people will just deconstruct, sell, or destroy anything they cannot carry or store. Those with more storage needs for crafting simply go the ESO Plus route and probably won't need anywhere close to 380 for everything else.

Yup.

The overwhelming outraged in-game responses to hearing that the main feature of a house is nonexistent, and the tons of Agrees on my original post must mean that only a minority of players see it as an issue -_-

Same with proc sets. Nothing wrong with them after all. Only the minority of players ever complain about them....

I don't think "minority" means what you think it means.

Unsent.Soul

diamondeyethunderbow_ESO wrote: »

You have 1 character...... and nobody asked you to judge how they play or what they keep. I have multiple characters and depending on the group, I may have a few different gear sets, other items that are situational, Crafted gear that's not worth decon, other items that may not get used constantly.

If you posted, you asked for whatever you posted to be judged. We need more judging, not less.

Also, if something isn't worth decon, why is it worth keeping?

I have 5 pc gold julianos, in light. I switch between that, and 5 other sets for LA depending on the group I'm in and the situation we get into. It's not worth the decon simply because I'd be lucky if I got 1 of the wax back but still worth keeping in a bank/other storage.

Does that make sense?

There are so many people stating how someone should play, or what they should keep. It's funny, I don't see these people logging on and playing my characters so I'm curious why they think their opinion is needee/wanted.

Your "we need more people judging others" doesn't make sense to me. Curious as to why youd think that...

lagrue

Vaoh wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

I don't understand why you are so against other players having more options. You instantly disregard anything anyone says because your situation is different. You judge people based on the fact they would prefer more storage space? Rather pathetic if you ask me...

Telling people to just buy eso + for a crafting bag... lol, ya just force everyone to eso + for a bag... great sales rep you are.

Have you played since 1T? Do you not thoerycraft? Do you not try things out to see the differences in your specific situation?

There are a ton of options available to the players. More really are not needed. There isn't a lack of inventory space in the game. The real issue is one of item retention vs time to store and retrieve them.

Vaoh wrote: »

You can still run out of space theorycrafting with Craft Bags. 257 sets exist in game

There is effectively no upper limit to the amount of storage an individual can have in this game. Players will inventory management issues for one of two reasons:

1. Unwilling to spend the money to get the additional space
2. Unwilling to spend the time needed to store and retrieve items

Again, the issue is item retention vs time to store and retrieve them.

In the end, requests for additional space in this game boil down to getting ZOS to change something because the player does not want to have to pick which one of those two reasons are less important.

Vaoh wrote: »

Sure a tiny minority of us will never need more than 200 storage. How about the large majority though? I know multiple players in guilds of close friends that utilize guild banks as extra storage as well.

Actually, I am thinking this is the reverse. A minority will need more than 380 slots. Most people will just deconstruct, sell, or destroy anything they cannot carry or store. Those with more storage needs for crafting simply go the ESO Plus route and probably won't need anywhere close to 380 for everything else.

Yup.

The overwhelming outraged in-game responses to hearing that the main feature of a house is nonexistent, and the tons of Agrees on my original post must mean that only a minority of players see it as an issue -_-

Same with proc sets. Nothing wrong with them after all. Only the minority of players ever complain about them....

I don't think "minority" means what you think it means.

Forum "likes" and agrees don't constitute the opinion of the majority. They don't constitute the majority of forum users - let alone the actual majority of players who can't be bothered with forums. That is like getting into a facebook argument and being like "nuh uh, I'm right - see I got 25 likes" - when in reality anybody who's ever witnessed a toxic argument on social media know it's often a case where one person is blatantly wrong about something, yet garners more 'likes' from uneducated dummies (and before you assume, no I don't mean you or anybody in this thread). Your digital validation doesn't mean anything.

The forums are generally a hostile place where everybody feeds off of eachother's negativity, hell even I bring alot of negativity, admittedly. If anything your 'likes' are an indication of how toxic your opinion is amongst other toxic players.

You never see people on the forums (or really any forums) praising the good things about games, no - forums are a cesspool for all the negativity in the community.

Until this thread, I've never seen so many people up in arms about inventory space... it's only a problem now that you aren't getting it on a silver platter. Which is okay, that's the typical response any forum community would generally have. It's only a problem after it's highlighted - yet somehow for months before, you and everybody else snapping in this thread got along just fine. This is an issue of want more than need. And that's okay too, as a player you can want things for the game - the problem is everybody here is acting like it's a need, when it isn't.

If it was really a need, then you would sub to free up like 300 inventory slots in mats. But judging by how combative people are being about subs for the craft bag, it's no wonder people are having issues with inventory. They have options and refuse to take them. Therefore it's clearly not a need, because if you had a need, you would do everything you can to meet it.