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Tell us when Crown Crates are being released (Announced)
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Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭TheTwistedRune wrote: »The analogies in this thread are getting funnier and funnier. Now people are talking about chocolate!
You best watch your twizzler before I really get snickers!1 -
Darkstorne✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Darkstorne wrote: »
Except Kinder Eggs have always been sold that way - they didn't randomly switch to that model. And most importantly, being primarily a chocolate item and not primarily a toy (hence being sold in confectionary stores and not toy shops), the chocolate is always guaranteed.
This isn't ZOS trialling a fun new way to buy the items you want. It's ZOS saying "Hey, gambling boxes hook in some huge whale revenue! We should chase that revenue stream, even if it means our player base get a much worse deal. Screw the majority, we only care about the minority who are crazy enough to spend absurd amounts of money of these things."
There is literally no way you can defend this practice from a consumer stand point.
No one buys them for the chocolate. I mean, seriously. The chocolate is always guaranteed; and here you'll get guaranteed potions and stuff. I have no desire to argue lenghtly about the crates, I have many problems with this game, and surprisingly the crates isn't one of 'em. Go on, post your colourful signatures, it won't change a thing. Lots of people will buy them. Lots of people don't read the forum, or care to post their point here. And you probably would be surprised how many people with the signature will at some point buy "one" to "test it". That's how it goes.
That's like arguing no-one buys cereal for the breakfast - only for the free toys some of them have inside. Of course people buy Kinder Eggs for the chocolate. The free toys are the USP that lead to some people choosing Kinder Eggs over other chocolate. The only way Crown Crates would be similar is if you were always guaranteed the main item you wanted, but also had a bonus surprise or two packed along with it.
I agree with you that Crown Crates are going to happen regardless of the complaints, and that for the most part they'll be a financial success. If you think that justifies business techniques that deliberately shaft your entire player base and angers your most passionate fans, just because it makes ZOS more money, then that's incredibly depressing for you. Just because "that's how it goes" doesn't mean it's wrong to peacefully and politely complain.Edited by Darkstorne on November 29, 2016 10:36AM4 -
Suter1972✭✭✭✭TheTwistedRune wrote: »The analogies in this thread are getting funnier and funnier. Now people are talking about chocolate!
lol, youre right, but at least its become less heated and we are discussing it like adultsWas - Breton DC ( GIRL - Guy In Real Life toon) Magika Templar Healer/ 5-8 trait Crafter - currently CP290 and learning now starting again on xbox…...
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SantieClaws✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭TheTwistedRune wrote: »The analogies in this thread are getting funnier and funnier. Now people are talking about chocolate!
lol, youre right, but at least its become less heated and we are discussing it like adults
Like adults with Kinder Eggs
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Suter1972✭✭✭✭Darkstorne wrote: »Darkstorne wrote: »
Except Kinder Eggs have always been sold that way - they didn't randomly switch to that model. And most importantly, being primarily a chocolate item and not primarily a toy (hence being sold in confectionary stores and not toy shops), the chocolate is always guaranteed.
This isn't ZOS trialling a fun new way to buy the items you want. It's ZOS saying "Hey, gambling boxes hook in some huge whale revenue! We should chase that revenue stream, even if it means our player base get a much worse deal. Screw the majority, we only care about the minority who are crazy enough to spend absurd amounts of money of these things."
There is literally no way you can defend this practice from a consumer stand point.
No one buys them for the chocolate. I mean, seriously. The chocolate is always guaranteed; and here you'll get guaranteed potions and stuff. I have no desire to argue lenghtly about the crates, I have many problems with this game, and surprisingly the crates isn't one of 'em. Go on, post your colourful signatures, it won't change a thing. Lots of people will buy them. Lots of people don't read the forum, or care to post their point here. And you probably would be surprised how many people with the signature will at some point buy "one" to "test it". That's how it goes.
If you think that justifies business techniques that deliberately shaft your entire player base and angers your most passionate fans, just because it makes ZOS more money, then that's incredibly depressing for you. Just because "that's how it goes" doesn't mean it's wrong to peacefully and politely complain.
sorry my friend, that doesn't include me so its not the 'entire' player base or fully inclusive of 'your most passionate fans' and im certainly not depressed about it.
What you mean is ;
If you think that justifies business techniques that deliberately shaft me and angers one of your most passionate fans, just because it makes ZOS more money, then that's incredibly depressing for me. Just because "that's how it goes" doesn't mean it's wrong to peacefully and politely complain
Im not fussed either way for the crates. Games fine as it is for me and the addition of crates wont influence my enjoyment of the game.Edited by Suter1972 on November 29, 2016 10:42AMWas - Breton DC ( GIRL - Guy In Real Life toon) Magika Templar Healer/ 5-8 trait Crafter - currently CP290 and learning now starting again on xbox…...
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Darkstorne✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭GrumpyMuffin wrote: »I've a feeling that the crates will kill themselves far faster than any protest on here. We just need a good number of people to post how stupidly low the drop rates are, how much they have spent and what little they have to show for it- - can't beat good old empirical data -- This will put more people off buying them than any posts we make about should they be allowed etc. We've had discussions about drop rates before, but that was with 'fake' money on the PTS. The mood will change a lot when it is real money people have worked hard for going down the drain.
I foresee a busy week or two for the forum mods
Sadly, the vast majority of players don't even read the forums, let alone post on them. They'll buy the crates for the shiny shinies inside of them, probably not get the item they want, and either try again or give up until next month's shiny crates catch their eye.
And if empirical data is your thing, just look at what gambling crates did for SWTOR's income. In 2013 that game's equivalent of Crown Crates helped rake in $139 million. It's one of the most financially successful MMOs on the market today. In the western market, only WoW makes more money than SWTOR.Edited by Darkstorne on November 29, 2016 10:45AM2 -
Enodoc✭✭✭✭✭
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Just fix the damn spelling.
That looks freaking brilliant
How about big with gradient font colors?
Shame we can't make them flash
I want to make mine neon.
You know what? I've even decided to make that line in my signature bigger.
Do they annoy you? Then I'll make sure to keep it.
Will those dumb forum signatures go away by that point too? The ones that sound like a 2 year old learning to talk?There's one thing to look forward to... when the complain threads about buying 10+ scamcrates without getting the mount people want start, we can say "told you so". And I will take great pleasure in doing so.
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Dark clouds, thunder, lightning and brown brown rain.
Lots of it. About the time that article is published.
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Tyrion87✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭SantieClaws wrote: »The weather forecast today in Tamriel:
Dark clouds, thunder, lightning and brown brown rain.
Lots of it. About the time that article is published.
Yours with paws
Santie Claws
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Darkstorne✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Darkstorne wrote: »Darkstorne wrote: »
Except Kinder Eggs have always been sold that way - they didn't randomly switch to that model. And most importantly, being primarily a chocolate item and not primarily a toy (hence being sold in confectionary stores and not toy shops), the chocolate is always guaranteed.
This isn't ZOS trialling a fun new way to buy the items you want. It's ZOS saying "Hey, gambling boxes hook in some huge whale revenue! We should chase that revenue stream, even if it means our player base get a much worse deal. Screw the majority, we only care about the minority who are crazy enough to spend absurd amounts of money of these things."
There is literally no way you can defend this practice from a consumer stand point.
No one buys them for the chocolate. I mean, seriously. The chocolate is always guaranteed; and here you'll get guaranteed potions and stuff. I have no desire to argue lenghtly about the crates, I have many problems with this game, and surprisingly the crates isn't one of 'em. Go on, post your colourful signatures, it won't change a thing. Lots of people will buy them. Lots of people don't read the forum, or care to post their point here. And you probably would be surprised how many people with the signature will at some point buy "one" to "test it". That's how it goes.
If you think that justifies business techniques that deliberately shaft your entire player base and angers your most passionate fans, just because it makes ZOS more money, then that's incredibly depressing for you. Just because "that's how it goes" doesn't mean it's wrong to peacefully and politely complain.
sorry my friend, that doesn't include me so its not the 'entire' player base or fully inclusive of 'your most passionate fans' and im certainly not depressed about it.
What you mean is ;
If you think that justifies business techniques that deliberately shaft me and angers one of your most passionate fans, just because it makes ZOS more money, then that's incredibly depressing for me. Just because "that's how it goes" doesn't mean it's wrong to peacefully and politely complain
Im not fussed either way for the crates. Games fine as it is for me and the addition of crates wont influence my enjoyment of the game.
You might not be angered by it, but you are shafted by it, whether you realize that or not. You can pretend you're in the majority and the people upset by this move are in the minority if you like, but you'd have to ignore 99% of the posts in this thread and all other Crown Crate related threads. You'd also have to ignore the basics of economics and capitalism.
"Games fine as it is for me and the addition of crates wont influence my enjoyment of the game."
Also - that's a ridiculously selfish statement. I don't raid or run dungeons in this game, but if ZOS decided to lock them all behind paywalls or announced they would no longer be adding any more, I'd still be capable of understanding that's a pretty bad move. I wouldn't be leaping into threads of justified complaints saying "I don't raid, so it doesn't affect me, and I therefore think there's no issue here at all and you should all learn to live with it and stop complaining."Edited by Darkstorne on November 29, 2016 10:55AM10 -
Rune_Relic✭✭✭✭✭
✭Darkstorne wrote: »Darkstorne wrote: »
Except Kinder Eggs have always been sold that way - they didn't randomly switch to that model. And most importantly, being primarily a chocolate item and not primarily a toy (hence being sold in confectionary stores and not toy shops), the chocolate is always guaranteed.
This isn't ZOS trialling a fun new way to buy the items you want. It's ZOS saying "Hey, gambling boxes hook in some huge whale revenue! We should chase that revenue stream, even if it means our player base get a much worse deal. Screw the majority, we only care about the minority who are crazy enough to spend absurd amounts of money of these things."
There is literally no way you can defend this practice from a consumer stand point.
No one buys them for the chocolate. I mean, seriously. The chocolate is always guaranteed; and here you'll get guaranteed potions and stuff. I have no desire to argue lenghtly about the crates, I have many problems with this game, and surprisingly the crates isn't one of 'em. Go on, post your colourful signatures, it won't change a thing. Lots of people will buy them. Lots of people don't read the forum, or care to post their point here. And you probably would be surprised how many people with the signature will at some point buy "one" to "test it". That's how it goes.
That's like arguing no-one buys cereal for the breakfast - only for the free toys some of them have inside. Of course people buy Kinder Eggs for the chocolate. The free toys are the USP that lead to some people choosing Kinder Eggs over other chocolate. The only way Crown Crates would be similar is if you were always guaranteed the main item you wanted, but also had a bonus surprise or two packed along with it.
I agree with you that Crown Crates are going to happen regardless of the complaints, and that for the most part they'll be a financial success. If you think that justifies business techniques that deliberately shaft your entire player base and angers your most passionate fans, just because it makes ZOS more money, then that's incredibly depressing for you. Just because "that's how it goes" doesn't mean it's wrong to peacefully and politely complain.
[...Looks around uneasily and pulls the full cereal bag back out the bin]Anything that can be exploited will be exploited1 -
Thornen✭✭✭✭✭Darkstorne wrote: »Darkstorne wrote: »Darkstorne wrote: »
Except Kinder Eggs have always been sold that way - they didn't randomly switch to that model. And most importantly, being primarily a chocolate item and not primarily a toy (hence being sold in confectionary stores and not toy shops), the chocolate is always guaranteed.
This isn't ZOS trialling a fun new way to buy the items you want. It's ZOS saying "Hey, gambling boxes hook in some huge whale revenue! We should chase that revenue stream, even if it means our player base get a much worse deal. Screw the majority, we only care about the minority who are crazy enough to spend absurd amounts of money of these things."
There is literally no way you can defend this practice from a consumer stand point.
No one buys them for the chocolate. I mean, seriously. The chocolate is always guaranteed; and here you'll get guaranteed potions and stuff. I have no desire to argue lenghtly about the crates, I have many problems with this game, and surprisingly the crates isn't one of 'em. Go on, post your colourful signatures, it won't change a thing. Lots of people will buy them. Lots of people don't read the forum, or care to post their point here. And you probably would be surprised how many people with the signature will at some point buy "one" to "test it". That's how it goes.
If you think that justifies business techniques that deliberately shaft your entire player base and angers your most passionate fans, just because it makes ZOS more money, then that's incredibly depressing for you. Just because "that's how it goes" doesn't mean it's wrong to peacefully and politely complain.
sorry my friend, that doesn't include me so its not the 'entire' player base or fully inclusive of 'your most passionate fans' and im certainly not depressed about it.
What you mean is ;
If you think that justifies business techniques that deliberately shaft me and angers one of your most passionate fans, just because it makes ZOS more money, then that's incredibly depressing for me. Just because "that's how it goes" doesn't mean it's wrong to peacefully and politely complain
Im not fussed either way for the crates. Games fine as it is for me and the addition of crates wont influence my enjoyment of the game.
You might not be angered by it, but you are shafted by it, whether you realize that or not. You can pretend you're in the majority and the people upset by this move are in the minority if you like, but you'd have to ignore 99% of the posts in this thread and all other Crown Crate related threads. You'd also have to ignore the basics of economics and capitalism.
"Games fine as it is for me and the addition of crates wont influence my enjoyment of the game."
Also - that's a ridiculously selfish statement. I don't raid or run dungeons in this game, but if ZOS decided to lock them all behind paywalls or announced they would no longer be adding any more, I'd still be capable of understanding that's a pretty bad move. I wouldn't be leaping into threads of justified complaints saying "I don't raid, so it doesn't affect me, and I therefore think there's no issue here at all and you should all learn to live with it and stop complaining."
The truth is no one that plays the game actually wants these crates, you either hate them outright or do not care. Either way Zos is doing what they want whether we like it or not.3 -
Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭TheTwistedRune wrote: »The analogies in this thread are getting funnier and funnier. Now people are talking about chocolate!
It's because there are no apples to compare to our apples, so they end up comparing apples to... Chocolate?Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »We'll be releasing Crown Crates later this week, and will be publishing an article on our website tomorrow with all the details.
Well there goes my last bit of hope. No ESO as Xmas gifts this year.PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!3 -
Suter1972✭✭✭✭Darkstorne wrote: »Darkstorne wrote: »Darkstorne wrote: »
Except Kinder Eggs have always been sold that way - they didn't randomly switch to that model. And most importantly, being primarily a chocolate item and not primarily a toy (hence being sold in confectionary stores and not toy shops), the chocolate is always guaranteed.
This isn't ZOS trialling a fun new way to buy the items you want. It's ZOS saying "Hey, gambling boxes hook in some huge whale revenue! We should chase that revenue stream, even if it means our player base get a much worse deal. Screw the majority, we only care about the minority who are crazy enough to spend absurd amounts of money of these things."
There is literally no way you can defend this practice from a consumer stand point.
No one buys them for the chocolate. I mean, seriously. The chocolate is always guaranteed; and here you'll get guaranteed potions and stuff. I have no desire to argue lenghtly about the crates, I have many problems with this game, and surprisingly the crates isn't one of 'em. Go on, post your colourful signatures, it won't change a thing. Lots of people will buy them. Lots of people don't read the forum, or care to post their point here. And you probably would be surprised how many people with the signature will at some point buy "one" to "test it". That's how it goes.
If you think that justifies business techniques that deliberately shaft your entire player base and angers your most passionate fans, just because it makes ZOS more money, then that's incredibly depressing for you. Just because "that's how it goes" doesn't mean it's wrong to peacefully and politely complain.
sorry my friend, that doesn't include me so its not the 'entire' player base or fully inclusive of 'your most passionate fans' and im certainly not depressed about it.
What you mean is ;
If you think that justifies business techniques that deliberately shaft me and angers one of your most passionate fans, just because it makes ZOS more money, then that's incredibly depressing for me. Just because "that's how it goes" doesn't mean it's wrong to peacefully and politely complain
Im not fussed either way for the crates. Games fine as it is for me and the addition of crates wont influence my enjoyment of the game.
You might not be angered by it, but you are shafted by it, whether you realize that or not. You can pretend you're in the majority and the people upset by this move are in the minority if you like, but you'd have to ignore 99% of the posts in this thread and all other Crown Crate related threads. You'd also have to ignore the basics of economics and capitalism.
"Games fine as it is for me and the addition of crates wont influence my enjoyment of the game."
Also - that's a ridiculously selfish statement. I don't raid or run dungeons in this game, but if ZOS decided to lock them all behind paywalls or announced they would no longer be adding any more, I'd still be capable of understanding that's a pretty bad move. I wouldn't be leaping into threads of justified complaints saying "I don't raid, so it doesn't affect me, and I therefore think there's no issue here at all and you should all learn to live with it and stop complaining."
I get why youre upset about it, I honestly do, but you cant go twisting other forum users post to suit your own feelings on the matter.
Of course it’s a selfish statement, as its my opinion. I cant speak for you or anyone else in the community. I can only say how it affects ME from MY viewpoint. That doesn’t make it a ‘selfish’ statement in the toxic sense you are trying to insinuate.
Also this bit “I wouldn't be leaping into threads of justified complaints saying "I don't raid, so it doesn't affect me, and I therefore think there's no issue here at all and you should all learn to live with it and stop complaining.”
If there was a definition of putting words into peoples mouths, then this is text book. Again you state ‘justified complaints’. No they are not. We have no confirmed information yet, only PTS.
But equally, just as you feel compelled to complain about crown crates, there are those of us that aren’t bothered by them or even looking forward to trying them (I also question your random ‘99%’ figure adjusted to suit your feelings).
Edited by Suter1972 on November 29, 2016 11:53AMWas - Breton DC ( GIRL - Guy In Real Life toon) Magika Templar Healer/ 5-8 trait Crafter - currently CP290 and learning now starting again on xbox…...
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SantieClaws✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Khajiit would perhaps like to mention that one of her main concerns affects all travellers - if they buy the crates and if they do not buy the crates.
That is that if the crates prove popular there will likely be a change in direction to putting more and more in them - things that may have been in the store - maybe even things that would have been free to find in Tamriel.
We have seen some motifs and dyes - previously open to all in Tamriel - become store only items. Who is to say there may not be crate exclusive dyes and motifs or something even worse?
The crates become the game to the detriment of everything else in Tamriel. Not to mention the development time this system must have taken - time that could have better been spent in other ways perhaps?
Therefore the crates impact us all. You cannot just look the other way and ignore them. They have an impact for us all yes.
Yours with paws
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elvenmad✭✭✭✭✭The real problem I have with these boxes is how they work in reality and how they are deliberately designed to work by targeting the Naive,Vulnerable and ofc those with just more money than sense, they are predatory by nature and they are designed to be just that and most certainly not something you would expect to be associated with a game or entertainment.
If a company wants to sell a product...just sell it straight up, name a price and let the customer decide , that's how things have been exchanged for 1000's of years in real life all over the world.....it works, its proven to work......everybody 'wins'. the seller is happy, the buyer is happy.
Edited by elvenmad on November 29, 2016 12:07PM< PC - EU >7 -
Enslaved✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭If enough ppl buy crates, we will get more stuff locked behind this gambling practice in no time. That will lead to many ppl who does not approve of such behavior leaving the game, and it is steady but certain downfall of ESO.
I would love that ESO outlives WoW, for example. To be there in 2025, too. But if enough ppl leave, Zos will kill it. Imagine how many new zones and stories would it deprive us all, if game dies before we see all of Tamriel, maybe even more. Don't be part of ppl who would kill a game just to have unique mount or some other piece of crap. If crown crates system fails maybe we will get more of what we want in crown store, where you know what you are buying. Don't support gambling that could lead to P2W at some point.8 -
Yuls✭✭✭✭SantieClaws wrote: »That is that if the crates prove popular there will likely be a change in direction to putting more and more in them - things that may have been in the store - maybe even things that would have been free to find in Tamriel.
That is that if the crates turn into ugly shelf-warmers no one wants to buy there will likely be a change in direction to putting more and more in them - things that may have been in the store - maybe even things that would have been free to find in Tamriel. Maybe even some awesome weapon of doom and destruction everybody wants to have.
See what I did there?
There will always be new ways to get our money if the old ways for some reason don't work sufficently enough.
Oh, that's no advise to buy them to prevent further doom, before someone feels the need to jump at me
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✭✭✭✭✭https://tamrieltraveller.wordpress.com/2016/11/29/on-crown-crates-and-the-crown-store-of-elder-scrolls-online/
Another voice to add into the throng. Sweetrolls for all!
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elvenmad✭✭✭✭✭https://tamrieltraveller.wordpress.com/2016/11/29/on-crown-crates-and-the-crown-store-of-elder-scrolls-online/
Another voice to add into the throng.
Thanks for posting this, its an interesting article and basically says exactly what as been posted in this thread that the exact outcome is unknown and only time will tell.
my opinion is these are bad for the game, they will never be a good feature, there is not one game out there who uses these cash shop rng boxes where they have been good, not one, out of 100's of titles and not one I know of where these 'shop' items have not affected the game in one way or another.
If we are lucky they will just 'lurk' in the background and stay bad BUT they also could get worse, one thing for sure they will never get better.
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✭✭✭✭✭https://tamrieltraveller.wordpress.com/2016/11/29/on-crown-crates-and-the-crown-store-of-elder-scrolls-online/
Another voice to add into the throng.
Thanks for posting this, its an interesting article and basically says exactly what as been posted in this thread that the exact outcome is unknown and only time will tell.
my opinion is these are bad for the game, they will never be a good feature, there is not one game out there who uses these cash shop rng boxes where they have been good, not one, out of 100's of titles and not one I know of where these 'shop' items have not affected the game in one way or another.
If we are lucky they will just 'lurk' in the background and stay bad BUT they also could get worse, one thing for sure they will never get better.
Thank you merely wanted to add my postulations and deliberations without adding a wall of text here haha Sweetrolls for all!
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elvenmad✭✭✭✭✭https://tamrieltraveller.wordpress.com/2016/11/29/on-crown-crates-and-the-crown-store-of-elder-scrolls-online/
Another voice to add into the throng.
Thanks for posting this, its an interesting article and basically says exactly what as been posted in this thread that the exact outcome is unknown and only time will tell.
my opinion is these are bad for the game, they will never be a good feature, there is not one game out there who uses these cash shop rng boxes where they have been good, not one, out of 100's of titles and not one I know of where these 'shop' items have not affected the game in one way or another.
If we are lucky they will just 'lurk' in the background and stay bad BUT they also could get worse, one thing for sure they will never get better.
Thank you merely wanted to add my postulations and deliberations without adding a wall of text here haha
In reality I think many already knew since the very first 'hint' of Crown Crates that these were coming one way or another no matter how the community responded, that decision was set and set in stone months ago behind the scenes at ZoS. They even hired a new employee who is well known in the gaming industry to 'specialize' in these items, that should have been the spoiler.
My point is I don't think our view means anything at all, and would never make any difference, their strategy concerning the Crates is already laid out.
Like the closing comment in the article "We can only wait, see, and remain hopeful"
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prettynink✭✭✭SantieClaws wrote: »The weather forecast today in Tamriel:
Dark clouds, thunder, lightning and brown brown rain.
Lots of it. About the time that article is published.
Yours with paws
Santie Claws
Apparently, the winter is coming...
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Peekachu99✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭WoW is just about the only game in this genre that doesn't have RNG boxes and they let you DIRECTLY buy gold and character boosts.
That game is also iconic and a great example of how business models adapt, over time, to market changes. Why don't we all see how this pans out before all this "Resistance!" hyperbole? But we know! PTS has revealed all! Has it? I'm content waiting to see the info article that gets posted as well as what these things are like live before losing all sanity.
If it's really terrible, the boxes will be overhauled and/ or go away. Market always dictates, and corrects, the result. I suspect, though, that as usual the echo chamber of these forums won't be be affected, nor affect the outcome at all.
All this stress isn't good for anyone and there are honestly more important events to focus your concern upon.
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Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I have just one question to the "wait and see" people:
We have the same person doing the same thing that she did in many MMOs before that went down this route. The development on the MMOs where she did this slowed down and less content that wasn't RNG Box related was put out.
What reason do you have to believe it will be different with ESO? I just want a reason to believe too.
Keep in mind that the way they were implemented on the PTS was absolutely awful, worse than any other MMO I played to date, and that our suggestions were met with silence.Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.12 -
Kolache✭✭✭✭How many western mmos would anyone be able to count as "successful", let alone "thriving?"
You could make a drinking game out of trying to name all the mmos that have come and gone before their time. That makes easy pickins for examples to state why previous failures justify your predictions for ESO's future.
In truth you really have no idea why they ultimately failed--it's just guessing. If you're actually that great with predictions I hope you're trading, forecasting weather, or working in vegas.
As far as I'm concerned, if ESO went offline next year and crates got a lot of attention between now and then there's no way you'd be able to definitely say what caused it's decline. Correction, you might "say" it, but that doesn't mean it would be true.
Personally, I've never quit a game because of crown crate equivalents or what I perceived to be their ripple effects. That's just my opinion though--I'm not going to make predictions off that just because I'm one of a generation of gamers that happens to have played tons of mmos. Lol credentialsSomething being unbalanced in 1v1 does not imply that it is balanced in group play.2
