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Tell us when Crown Crates are being released (Announced)
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IrishGirlGamer✭✭✭✭✭
✭SantieClaws wrote: »Khajiit she wonders if they have a plan for the timing of this article.
Like after perhaps khajiit she normally sleeps perhaps?
Yes it is three in the afternoon in the Tamriel of this one but she is khajiit after all!
Yours with paws
Santie Claws
It will probably be in the afternoon, well after the normal media cycle peaks for new content, so that if someone links to it on reddit or other sites it won't get nearly as much attention. Or maybe that's just me being cynical. :-p
As it's 11:40 a.m. in Maryland right now, I'd say you are pretty accurate.
Valar Morghulis.
Someday I'm going to put a sword through your eye and out the back of your skull. Arya Stark
You're going to die tomorrow, Lord Bolton. Sleep well. Sansa Stark
If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. Desmond Tutu0 -
JD2013✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭prettynink wrote: »Just curious, who is that she-devil who-must-not-be-named who kills MMO's? Can I see somewhere the evidence she has actually been hired by ZOS to do what you're saying she's doing?
Can we politely *not* share names etc? This sort of thing can lead to witch hunts etc.
Crown Crates aren't a good thing. But neither is that sort of behaviour.
well to be fair as polite as it may not be. I however think it is polite that if a consumer asks a question about a product he/she has bought into that his/her question get answered. and even more so especially the concerning tid bit that a certain individual that has been put on board for marketing also specializes in xxx psychology. I thought another post someone posted with that certain individuals website was put up as a joke. It seems the joke will be on us in the near future
Oh I completely agree. About getting a response anyhow.
I completely disagree with passing around staff names who work behind the scenes and witch hunting. I honest to goodness thought this community was better than that. Guess not.
If this thread is closed down, and this thread has been pretty cool and insightful, then bravo.
Sweetrolls for all!
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IrishGirlGamer✭✭✭✭✭
✭prettynink wrote: »Just curious, who is that she-devil who-must-not-be-named who kills MMO's? Can I see somewhere the evidence she has actually been hired by ZOS to do what you're saying she's doing?
Can we politely *not* share names etc? This sort of thing can lead to witch hunts etc.
Crown Crates aren't a good thing. But neither is that sort of behaviour.
well to be fair as polite as it may not be. I however think it is polite that if a consumer asks a question about a product he/she has bought into that his/her question get answered. and even more so especially the concerning tid bit that a certain individual that has been put on board for marketing also specializes in xxx psychology. I thought another post someone posted with that certain individuals website was put up as a joke. It seems the joke will be on us in the near future
I honest to goodness thought this community was better than that. Guess not.
The community is better than that. A few people don't make up the community.
One thing Bethesda (and Zenimax) have always had going for them is good communities.
Valar Morghulis.
Someday I'm going to put a sword through your eye and out the back of your skull. Arya Stark
You're going to die tomorrow, Lord Bolton. Sleep well. Sansa Stark
If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. Desmond Tutu2 -
prettynink✭✭✭prettynink wrote: »Just curious, who is that she-devil who-must-not-be-named who kills MMO's? Can I see somewhere the evidence she has actually been hired by ZOS to do what you're saying she's doing?
Can we politely *not* share names etc? This sort of thing can lead to witch hunts etc.
Crown Crates aren't a good thing. But neither is that sort of behaviour.
well to be fair as polite as it may not be. I however think it is polite that if a consumer asks a question about a product he/she has bought into that his/her question get answered. and even more so especially the concerning tid bit that a certain individual that has been put on board for marketing also specializes in xxx psychology. I thought another post someone posted with that certain individuals website was put up as a joke. It seems the joke will be on us in the near future
Oh I completely agree. About getting a response anyhow.
I completely disagree with passing around staff names who work behind the scenes and witch hunting. I honest to goodness thought this community was better than that. Guess not.
If this thread is closed down, and this thread has been pretty cool and insightful, then bravo.
well sir/ma'am I completely agree to that, it would be a shame if it gets closed. Perhaps we should tone the name dropping down
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Kendaric✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭prettynink wrote: »prettynink wrote: »Just curious, who is that she-devil who-must-not-be-named who kills MMO's? Can I see somewhere the evidence she has actually been hired by ZOS to do what you're saying she's doing?
Can we politely *not* share names etc? This sort of thing can lead to witch hunts etc.
Crown Crates aren't a good thing. But neither is that sort of behaviour.
well to be fair as polite as it may not be. I however think it is polite that if a consumer asks a question about a product he/she has bought into that his/her question get answered. and even more so especially the concerning tid bit that a certain individual that has been put on board for marketing also specializes in xxx psychology. I thought another post someone posted with that certain individuals website was put up as a joke. It seems the joke will be on us in the near future
Oh I completely agree. About getting a response anyhow.
I completely disagree with passing around staff names who work behind the scenes and witch hunting. I honest to goodness thought this community was better than that. Guess not.
If this thread is closed down, and this thread has been pretty cool and insightful, then bravo.
well sir/ma'am I completely agree to that, it would be a shame if it gets closed. Perhaps we should tone the name dropping down
That's why we refer to her as "She who shall not be named" aka Lady Voldemort.8 -
Callous2208✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭prettynink wrote: »Just curious, who is that she-devil who-must-not-be-named who kills MMO's? Can I see somewhere the evidence she has actually been hired by ZOS to do what you're saying she's doing?
Can we politely *not* share names etc? This sort of thing can lead to witch hunts etc.
Crown Crates aren't a good thing. But neither is that sort of behaviour.
well to be fair as polite as it may not be. I however think it is polite that if a consumer asks a question about a product he/she has bought into that his/her question get answered. and even more so especially the concerning tid bit that a certain individual that has been put on board for marketing also specializes in xxx psychology. I thought another post someone posted with that certain individuals website was put up as a joke. It seems the joke will be on us in the near future
Oh I completely agree. About getting a response anyhow.
I completely disagree with passing around staff names who work behind the scenes and witch hunting. I honest to goodness thought this community was better than that. Guess not.
If this thread is closed down, and this thread has been pretty cool and insightful, then bravo.
I don't understand your logic. Why is the community at fault here? Why do we need to be above putting this person's name out there. She chose her career path, gets paid well to do it, ZOS hired her. No one has said anything about her that isn't true, it's all public knowledge. Why would there be a hunt for a witch if she's standing right in front of you doing the same thing she's bragged about doing for years on her LinkedIn profile?10 -
Maotti✭✭✭✭✭
✭One thing that's really gonna annoy me is that on the next ESO live show after this thing gets released they'll cheer it on and talk about it like it's the best thing that's ever happened to ESO.PC EU12 -
Suter1972✭✭✭✭Callous2208 wrote: »prettynink wrote: »Just curious, who is that she-devil who-must-not-be-named who kills MMO's? Can I see somewhere the evidence she has actually been hired by ZOS to do what you're saying she's doing?
Can we politely *not* share names etc? This sort of thing can lead to witch hunts etc.
Crown Crates aren't a good thing. But neither is that sort of behaviour.
well to be fair as polite as it may not be. I however think it is polite that if a consumer asks a question about a product he/she has bought into that his/her question get answered. and even more so especially the concerning tid bit that a certain individual that has been put on board for marketing also specializes in xxx psychology. I thought another post someone posted with that certain individuals website was put up as a joke. It seems the joke will be on us in the near future
Oh I completely agree. About getting a response anyhow.
I completely disagree with passing around staff names who work behind the scenes and witch hunting. I honest to goodness thought this community was better than that. Guess not.
If this thread is closed down, and this thread has been pretty cool and insightful, then bravo.
I don't understand your logic. Why is the community at fault here? Why do we need to be above putting this person's name out there. She chose her career path, gets paid well to do it, ZOS hired her. No one has said anything about her that isn't true, it's all public knowledge. Why would there be a hunt for a witch if she's standing right in front of you doing the same thing she's bragged about doing for years on her LinkedIn profile?
Because whatever you do for your work life, say you ran a department that looked after road maintenance for a local government and I didn’t like the colour of the tarmac you were using. I then started posting all over the internet about how YOU (personally) have ruined the state of the roads and plastered your name about how you were devil of road maintenance
Would that be fair? would you enjoy seeing your name in such a way?
There is such a thing as liable and some comments get very close to the mark in this thread
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Recremen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭prettynink wrote: »Just curious, who is that she-devil who-must-not-be-named who kills MMO's? Can I see somewhere the evidence she has actually been hired by ZOS to do what you're saying she's doing?
Can we politely *not* share names etc? This sort of thing can lead to witch hunts etc.
Crown Crates aren't a good thing. But neither is that sort of behaviour.
well to be fair as polite as it may not be. I however think it is polite that if a consumer asks a question about a product he/she has bought into that his/her question get answered. and even more so especially the concerning tid bit that a certain individual that has been put on board for marketing also specializes in xxx psychology. I thought another post someone posted with that certain individuals website was put up as a joke. It seems the joke will be on us in the near future
Oh I completely agree. About getting a response anyhow.
I completely disagree with passing around staff names who work behind the scenes and witch hunting. I honest to goodness thought this community was better than that. Guess not.
If this thread is closed down, and this thread has been pretty cool and insightful, then bravo.
It is hard to tell the difference between witch hunting and legitimate criticism. I'll participate in criticizing the gambling system until the cows come home, but I'll probably be holding off on naming any particular employee unless there is clear, documented evidence that they are definitely the person responsible for this terrible idea. I still won't encourage witchhunting at that point, but if you can't at least point your criticism at the actual responsible parties then there's just zero accountability.Men'Do PC NA AD Khajiit
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Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Callous2208 wrote: »prettynink wrote: »Just curious, who is that she-devil who-must-not-be-named who kills MMO's? Can I see somewhere the evidence she has actually been hired by ZOS to do what you're saying she's doing?
Can we politely *not* share names etc? This sort of thing can lead to witch hunts etc.
Crown Crates aren't a good thing. But neither is that sort of behaviour.
well to be fair as polite as it may not be. I however think it is polite that if a consumer asks a question about a product he/she has bought into that his/her question get answered. and even more so especially the concerning tid bit that a certain individual that has been put on board for marketing also specializes in xxx psychology. I thought another post someone posted with that certain individuals website was put up as a joke. It seems the joke will be on us in the near future
Oh I completely agree. About getting a response anyhow.
I completely disagree with passing around staff names who work behind the scenes and witch hunting. I honest to goodness thought this community was better than that. Guess not.
If this thread is closed down, and this thread has been pretty cool and insightful, then bravo.
I don't understand your logic. Why is the community at fault here? Why do we need to be above putting this person's name out there. She chose her career path, gets paid well to do it, ZOS hired her. No one has said anything about her that isn't true, it's all public knowledge. Why would there be a hunt for a witch if she's standing right in front of you doing the same thing she's bragged about doing for years on her LinkedIn profile?
It's still naming and shaming of a ZOS employee. It is against the rules.
No matter how much you dislike what she does, she CANNOT be solely blamed for the Crown Crates. She was hired to do a job, and she is doing it, and the only reason to mention that she exists is to do a parallel with the other games she worked on (because if the same person was hired to do the same job, one can expect the result to be the same).
No witch hunts.Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.4 -
JD2013✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Callous2208 wrote: »prettynink wrote: »Just curious, who is that she-devil who-must-not-be-named who kills MMO's? Can I see somewhere the evidence she has actually been hired by ZOS to do what you're saying she's doing?
Can we politely *not* share names etc? This sort of thing can lead to witch hunts etc.
Crown Crates aren't a good thing. But neither is that sort of behaviour.
well to be fair as polite as it may not be. I however think it is polite that if a consumer asks a question about a product he/she has bought into that his/her question get answered. and even more so especially the concerning tid bit that a certain individual that has been put on board for marketing also specializes in xxx psychology. I thought another post someone posted with that certain individuals website was put up as a joke. It seems the joke will be on us in the near future
Oh I completely agree. About getting a response anyhow.
I completely disagree with passing around staff names who work behind the scenes and witch hunting. I honest to goodness thought this community was better than that. Guess not.
If this thread is closed down, and this thread has been pretty cool and insightful, then bravo.
I don't understand your logic. Why is the community at fault here? Why do we need to be above putting this person's name out there. She chose her career path, gets paid well to do it, ZOS hired her. No one has said anything about her that isn't true, it's all public knowledge. Why would there be a hunt for a witch if she's standing right in front of you doing the same thing she's bragged about doing for years on her LinkedIn profile?
Have you ever seen her post? Have you ever seen her engage? Have you ever seen her talk to the community? I think the answer to all of them is no. She works behind the scenes. Away from us. It's like trying to drag an office worker for your internet provider out of their place of work because you're getting poor service.
Dragging someone out is childish and immature behaviour. She's not standing right at the door. And until the day she engages the community it's pure mob mentality to keep calling her out. And that sort of behaviour is kinda shameful, and if you don't think it so, then maybe go have a think about things. We are quite a mature and open to discussion comminuty. And dragging people through the mud does nobody any good.
Sweetrolls for all!
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PC Beta Tester January 2014
Elder of The Black
Order of Sithis
The Runners
@TamrielTraverse - For Tamriel related Twitter shenanigans!
https://tamrieltraveller.wordpress.com/
Crafting bag OP! ZOS nerf pls!1 -
JKorr✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Callous2208 wrote: »prettynink wrote: »Just curious, who is that she-devil who-must-not-be-named who kills MMO's? Can I see somewhere the evidence she has actually been hired by ZOS to do what you're saying she's doing?
Can we politely *not* share names etc? This sort of thing can lead to witch hunts etc.
Crown Crates aren't a good thing. But neither is that sort of behaviour.
well to be fair as polite as it may not be. I however think it is polite that if a consumer asks a question about a product he/she has bought into that his/her question get answered. and even more so especially the concerning tid bit that a certain individual that has been put on board for marketing also specializes in xxx psychology. I thought another post someone posted with that certain individuals website was put up as a joke. It seems the joke will be on us in the near future
Oh I completely agree. About getting a response anyhow.
I completely disagree with passing around staff names who work behind the scenes and witch hunting. I honest to goodness thought this community was better than that. Guess not.
If this thread is closed down, and this thread has been pretty cool and insightful, then bravo.
I don't understand your logic. Why is the community at fault here? Why do we need to be above putting this person's name out there. She chose her career path, gets paid well to do it, ZOS hired her. No one has said anything about her that isn't true, it's all public knowledge. Why would there be a hunt for a witch if she's standing right in front of you doing the same thing she's bragged about doing for years on her LinkedIn profile?
Because in one thread where she was named, less than mature intelligence-challenged twits went to websites, started hatemail, bombed comments other places, and were less than polite in comments about her.
ZOS rightfully closed down that thread because it turned into an attack against an individual.
You can say the company sucks, or the devs do/don't do a great job at XYZ, but get into specific attacks against a single person? Yeah, that's flaming and it isn't allowed. I believe there is something in the ToS that prohibits using the forums/website to organize any campaigns of harassment or hatemail.
Edited by JKorr on November 29, 2016 5:10PM5 -
IrishGirlGamer✭✭✭✭✭
✭Do you think they'll post anything to the forum when they release the article?
I would think they would link the article under the News topic.
That's what I'm expecting.
Valar Morghulis.
Someday I'm going to put a sword through your eye and out the back of your skull. Arya Stark
You're going to die tomorrow, Lord Bolton. Sleep well. Sansa Stark
If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. Desmond Tutu2 -
Suter1972✭✭✭✭Whenever a crown crate thread gets created, do you know what it reminds me of….
two little boys, lets call them Zen and max stood around a big pool of piranhas they made admiring and praising themselves on how the little fish swim around peacefully with just the occasional spat. A little baby bird lands on the side and looks over the edge, then accidently falls into the pool and all hell breaks loose. Little fishes that were very placid 30 seconds ago are now raging beasts tearing limb from limb from this poor baby bird. Blood everywhere.
Meanwhile around the pool, Zen and Max stand back and watch. Would they jump in and rescue the bird? Not a hope in hell and why would they… Yes they created it but its now far too dangerous to try and calm these now devilish little fishes.
Edited by Suter1972 on November 29, 2016 5:09PMWas - Breton DC ( GIRL - Guy In Real Life toon) Magika Templar Healer/ 5-8 trait Crafter - currently CP290 and learning now starting again on xbox…...
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Callous2208✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Callous2208 wrote: »prettynink wrote: »Just curious, who is that she-devil who-must-not-be-named who kills MMO's? Can I see somewhere the evidence she has actually been hired by ZOS to do what you're saying she's doing?
Can we politely *not* share names etc? This sort of thing can lead to witch hunts etc.
Crown Crates aren't a good thing. But neither is that sort of behaviour.
well to be fair as polite as it may not be. I however think it is polite that if a consumer asks a question about a product he/she has bought into that his/her question get answered. and even more so especially the concerning tid bit that a certain individual that has been put on board for marketing also specializes in xxx psychology. I thought another post someone posted with that certain individuals website was put up as a joke. It seems the joke will be on us in the near future
Oh I completely agree. About getting a response anyhow.
I completely disagree with passing around staff names who work behind the scenes and witch hunting. I honest to goodness thought this community was better than that. Guess not.
If this thread is closed down, and this thread has been pretty cool and insightful, then bravo.
I don't understand your logic. Why is the community at fault here? Why do we need to be above putting this person's name out there. She chose her career path, gets paid well to do it, ZOS hired her. No one has said anything about her that isn't true, it's all public knowledge. Why would there be a hunt for a witch if she's standing right in front of you doing the same thing she's bragged about doing for years on her LinkedIn profile?
Because whatever you do for your work life, say you ran a department that looked after road maintenance for a local government and I didn’t like the colour of the tarmac you were using. I then started posting all over the internet about how YOU (personally) have ruined the state of the roads and plastered your name about how you were devil of road maintenance
Would that be fair? would you enjoy seeing your name in such a way?
There is such a thing as liable and some comments get very close to the mark in this thread
Yea...no. Stating someone's name, list of accomplishments, and why you disagree with what they have done is perfectly fine. It's perfectly ok for you to say that in your opinion, I was the devil of road maintenance. This person has put all of this information out for public viewing, and I am totally within my rights to express my displeasure with said individual and their methods. This individual is not immune to criticism and their personal feelings are of no concern to me. I am yet to see any crazy personal attacks or false information given. People have a right to formulate an opinion, based on someone's body of work.
Edit: I was unaware of the personal attack/bomb threat insanity thread. Now that is literally insane and utterly uncalled for.Edited by Callous2208 on November 29, 2016 5:11PM7 -
Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Do you think they'll post anything to the forum when they release the article?
They will probably give us a time to cool down before posting anything.
I had a health issue today so I'm home and waiting for the article. I'm sure I'll have some questions to ask them. I don't think they will answer, though.Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.0 -
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✭Callous2208 wrote: »prettynink wrote: »Just curious, who is that she-devil who-must-not-be-named who kills MMO's? Can I see somewhere the evidence she has actually been hired by ZOS to do what you're saying she's doing?
Can we politely *not* share names etc? This sort of thing can lead to witch hunts etc.
Crown Crates aren't a good thing. But neither is that sort of behaviour.
well to be fair as polite as it may not be. I however think it is polite that if a consumer asks a question about a product he/she has bought into that his/her question get answered. and even more so especially the concerning tid bit that a certain individual that has been put on board for marketing also specializes in xxx psychology. I thought another post someone posted with that certain individuals website was put up as a joke. It seems the joke will be on us in the near future
Oh I completely agree. About getting a response anyhow.
I completely disagree with passing around staff names who work behind the scenes and witch hunting. I honest to goodness thought this community was better than that. Guess not.
If this thread is closed down, and this thread has been pretty cool and insightful, then bravo.
I don't understand your logic. Why is the community at fault here? Why do we need to be above putting this person's name out there. She chose her career path, gets paid well to do it, ZOS hired her. No one has said anything about her that isn't true, it's all public knowledge. Why would there be a hunt for a witch if she's standing right in front of you doing the same thing she's bragged about doing for years on her LinkedIn profile?
Because in one thread where she was named, less than mature intelligence-challenged twits went to websites, started hatemail, bombed comments other places, and were less than polite in comments about her.
ZOS rightfully closed down that thread because it turned into an attack against an individual.
You can say the company sucks, or the devs do/don't do a great job at XYZ, but get into specific attacks against a single person? Yeah, that's flaming and it isn't allowed.
Criticism =/= an attack.
Voicing concerns =/= an attack.
There has been no attacking here, just pointing out that the less than satisfactory results of these same type of systems observed in other games can be linked to the same person now behind implementing them here.
Free speech isn't only a right so long as nobody gets offended. It is the right to criticize, to ridicule, to mock, to voice concerns, genuine or otherwise, and it should be protected. Attempting to silence an opposing viewpoint is counter-free-speech, and despicable.
If we, as a society, cannot tolerate 'less-than-polite comments,' then we're spineless idiots who deserve to get whatever ill-treatment those who would perpetrate it will give us.5 -
Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Just curious, who is that she-devil who-must-not-be-named who kills MMO's? Can I see somewhere the evidence she has actually been hired by ZOS to do what you're saying she's doing?
It is disrespectful to name the person. People posted the links. It does not take much beyond that to find out who it is. Just keep in mind that she is not a "she-devil". She is just someone doing what she has been hired to do. Something that she is apparently skilled at. Still, I would not want her job.Why people are saying MMO's like SWTOR are dead although they're still online, maybe you just don't like how it turned out but others do?
To me, dead means that the game has lost the ability to attract and retain new players in large numbers, and the implication in this thread is because the studio is spending too much time on other things, like cash store revenue. This is not necessarily an accurate reason.Why Crown Crates will slow down the release of new content more than the actual Crown Store? Aren't there supposed to be different development teams, like one dedicated to the Crown Store, one for testing, one for PvP combat, etc?
It is true that we have no idea how ZOS and Bethesda allocate funds, or who is doing the work for the Crown Store. However, there is likely a fixed budget that they are willing to spend on ESO, no matter how that is divided. If they hold the line with that budget, and they need more attention to the Crown Store to sustain revenue, then the idea is that it is a zero-sum situation and other parts of ESO suffer. It does not matter whether the Crown Store is developed from the "marketing budget" and the development is done with the "development budget" if the total "ESO budget" is fixed at a certain amount. Any increase in one results in a reduction of the other.
We can see this elsewhere, if you consider that there is a "development budget", a "support budget", an "operations budget", and others like them. When we see a decrease in support, it could be due to an overall "ESO budget" reduction, or just moving money around to other budgets. Maybe support is cut so that development gets more money, or test gets more money. This is pretty simplistic, but it should get the point across.
The main purpose of a Game Studio and associated Publisher is to make money making and selling games. A lot of companies do this, but not all of them are really that good at making the revenue from the game. It might be just the wrong game, or they might be unable to pull revenue from a game, or not enough revenue from a game. These businesses are pretty common, and facing the realization that they are unable to make money at selling a game, they make money selling things associated with the game. Bethesda is good at publishing games that sell, but I am not sure that ZOS is good at making those sorts of games.
Free To Play games are structures designed to attract people to the merchandise associated with the game. The game itself is irrelevant. The game, and the game marketing, only need to be good enough to drive sales of associated merchandise. After that, the associated merchandise provides the revenue that the game itself is unable to generate. It is the revenue from associated merchandise that the studio is focused on. This is why "Free To Play" features so prominently in the "Features of the Game" for so many games, often right at the top of the list. That is the most important feature they have to offer, outside of the scantily clad female "click bait" that has absolutely nothing to do with the game.
This is the direction that ZOS and Bethesda seem to be going with ESO, and why Crown Crates are so alarming. If Crown Crates become the main revenue generator coming from ESO, all ZOS needs to do is make sure that the ESO lights are on, and refrain from rocking the boat too much. This essentially puts what could develop into a really good long term game, into the role of just existing enough to get people to buy Crowns and Crates. All for the reason that the Crown Store generates more revenue than the game. ZOS can just roll out some small updates a few times each year, just enough to keep people interested, and the Crown Store does all the work. This represents the effective "death" of the game.
Ultimately, we don't know where ZOS and Bethesda want to take this game. It is likely that ZOS is not capable of actually making an MMORPG that can drive revenue without the aid of cheap cash shop tricks. I think that ZeniMax Media's experiment to create a AAA MMO Studio is a failure. This thought makes me sad, given the potential that ESO has.XBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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BuddyAces✭✭✭✭✭
✭If you haven't noticed, I hate crates. That being said, there is no reason for anyone to come down on her like the wrath of God. She was hired by people above the devs to do a job so she's going to do that job. If it wasn' t her then it would be someone else.
As for all of you people that plan on buying crates to support the company, yall may as well just send them a donation. It's cute how yall seem to think that the money made from these are going to go back into the game. Barely have enough devs to put xout a decent dlc (see the last 2 jokes they released). Where do you think focus is going to be now? DLC which takes time or scamcrates which is fast cash?They nerfed magsorcs so hard stamsorcs felt it,lol - Somber97866
I'm blown away by the utter stupidity I see here on the daily. - Wrekkedd3 -
Milvan✭✭✭✭✭
✭This topic is kind creepy...so is the comments here. I have been in the internet for while and there were very few times that I saw so much negative energy being addressed to such a shallow and meaningless issue.
I mean....VERY CREEPY.“Kings of the land and the sky we are; proud gryphons.” Stalker stands, the epitome of pride. Naked and muscular, his wings widen and his feet dig in as if he alone holds down the earth and supports the heavens, keeping the two ever separate.”
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Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Just to alleviate some tension, I would like to mention that I read all of @lordrichter 's posts on Troy Baker's voice.Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.2 -
elvenmad✭✭✭✭✭I dont really see what the issue is mentioning well known members of the ZoS 'team'. this person has been active previously in Q&A sessions before and even some on this very issue topic, who it is and what they do is no big secret
There is never any issues concerning the mention of any members of the Dev teams or even their superiors
The facts are publicly available this person is in charge of certain depts within ZoS and they also are very well known around the world within the gaming industry for this threads specific topic
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prettynink✭✭✭Edited by prettynink on November 29, 2016 5:24PMXBOX ONE: NA
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561 stam sorc redguard ad (Ma'tet) (9 trait crafter) (Stormproof)
561 mag dk dunmer dc (Annaksunamin)(Empress)
561 mag sorc altmer dc (Ammeratasu)(Stormproof)
561 mag nb altmer dc (The Queen Akasha)(Stormproof)
561 mag plar altmer dc (Sekmet Menchit) (Shehai Shatterer)
561 heath dk imp dc (The Queen Khalessi) (Offtank)
561 stam nb bosmer dc (Missandei Unsullied)
561 stam sorc orc dc (Hannibal Lectress)
561 stam dk khajiit dc (Maleficent Domina)
561 stam plar redguard dc (Laggatha Lothbrok)
561 healer breton dc (Harleen Quindell) aka Boots
lvl 15 mag plar argonian ep (Sees All Draws)
Affiliations
Guild Lead of xTheDarkBrotherhoodx(PVE.Dungeons,Trials,PVP)In house Trade)
Officer in Daggerfall Big Ticks( PVP)
UNREST(Trader)
Motto
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JKorr✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Callous2208 wrote: »prettynink wrote: »Just curious, who is that she-devil who-must-not-be-named who kills MMO's? Can I see somewhere the evidence she has actually been hired by ZOS to do what you're saying she's doing?
Can we politely *not* share names etc? This sort of thing can lead to witch hunts etc.
Crown Crates aren't a good thing. But neither is that sort of behaviour.
well to be fair as polite as it may not be. I however think it is polite that if a consumer asks a question about a product he/she has bought into that his/her question get answered. and even more so especially the concerning tid bit that a certain individual that has been put on board for marketing also specializes in xxx psychology. I thought another post someone posted with that certain individuals website was put up as a joke. It seems the joke will be on us in the near future
Oh I completely agree. About getting a response anyhow.
I completely disagree with passing around staff names who work behind the scenes and witch hunting. I honest to goodness thought this community was better than that. Guess not.
If this thread is closed down, and this thread has been pretty cool and insightful, then bravo.
I don't understand your logic. Why is the community at fault here? Why do we need to be above putting this person's name out there. She chose her career path, gets paid well to do it, ZOS hired her. No one has said anything about her that isn't true, it's all public knowledge. Why would there be a hunt for a witch if she's standing right in front of you doing the same thing she's bragged about doing for years on her LinkedIn profile?
Because in one thread where she was named, less than mature intelligence-challenged twits went to websites, started hatemail, bombed comments other places, and were less than polite in comments about her.
ZOS rightfully closed down that thread because it turned into an attack against an individual.
You can say the company sucks, or the devs do/don't do a great job at XYZ, but get into specific attacks against a single person? Yeah, that's flaming and it isn't allowed.
Criticism =/= an attack.
Voicing concerns =/= an attack.
There has been no attacking here, just pointing out that the less than satisfactory results of these same type of systems observed in other games can be linked to the same person now behind implementing them here.
Free speech isn't only a right so long as nobody gets offended. It is the right to criticize, to ridicule, to mock, to voice concerns, genuine or otherwise, and it should be protected. Attempting to silence an opposing viewpoint is counter-free-speech, and despicable.
If we, as a society, cannot tolerate 'less-than-polite comments,' then we're spineless idiots who deserve to get whatever ill-treatment those who would perpetrate it will give us.
Please note; I said this happened in a previous thread. Not this one. This one people have been rational and civil. The thread that was locked and had posts deleted was not. Hence the "Why we don't use her name." Just in case the people responsible for the less than stellar behavior weren't banned and happen to come to this thread.
By the way, please don't try the "free speech" route here. That works in a public forum, against the government infringing on your right to speak freely. It doesn't apply to a private website. Zenimax decides what is allowed here. You agreed to certain terms when you joined.
You agree not to use any Service to:
...
•Harass, stalk, threaten, embarrass, spam or do anything else to another user of any Services that is unwanted, such as repeatedly sending unwanted messages or making personal attacks or statements about race, sexual orientation, religion, heritage, etc.;
•Take any action or upload, post, transmit, distribute, or communicate Your or any person's real-world personal information;
•Take any action, organize, transmit any Content, effectuate or participate in any activity, group, or guild that is harmful, tortuous, abusive, hateful (including "hate speech"), racially, ethnically, religiously or otherwise offensive, obscene, threatening, bullying, vulgar, sexually explicit, defamatory, libelous, infringing, invasive of personal privacy or publicity rights, encourages conduct that would violate a law or is, in a reasonable person's view, objectionable and/or deemed to be in the sole discretion of ZeniMax inappropriate;
Edited by JKorr on November 29, 2016 5:26PM3 -
elvenmad✭✭✭✭✭prettynink wrote: »
LOL, mine went funny too, this thread is crashing the forums, too much activity............I wonder why ?
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Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I dont really see what the issue is mentioning well known members of the ZoS 'team'. this person has been active previously in Q&A sessions before and even some on this very issue, who it is and what they do is no big secret
There is never any issues concerning the mention of any members of the Dev teams or even their superiors
The facts are publicly available this person is in charge of certain depts within ZoS and they also are very well known around the world within the gaming industry for this threads specific topic
I see no issue with mentioning her. The problem is when people start attacking her.
To avoid this, some of us prefer to sound like conspiracy theorists and just call her "the lady" instead of giving random angry people her name. This is an issue that (for good reason) evokes very strong emotions, and some people can't wait to find someone to blame and yell at.
Also, we do not want our complaints and suggestions to get lost in a sea of people badmouthing an employee.Edited by Abeille on November 29, 2016 5:27PMJust so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.3 -
Callous2208✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭This topic is kind creepy...so is the comments here. I have been in the internet for while and there were very few times that I saw so much negative energy being addressed to such a shallow and meaningless issue.
I mean....VERY CREEPY.
1. How did you get in there?
2. How will you get out?
3. I don't believe you've been in very long if this thread even qualifies as remotely creepy to you by Internet standards.
Edited by Callous2208 on November 29, 2016 5:28PM8 -
prettynink✭✭✭I dont really see what the issue is mentioning well known members of the ZoS 'team'. this person has been active previously in Q&A sessions before and even some on this very issue, who it is and what they do is no big secret
There is never any issues concerning the mention of any members of the Dev teams or even their superiors
The facts are publicly available this person is in charge of certain depts within ZoS and they also are very well known around the world within the gaming industry for this threads specific topic
while I agree with you it its entirety, I just can see zos coming in here because of some people taking offense to certain comments( although they shouldnt especially when its not directed at them) saying we are closing this thread due to derailment etc blah blah. Especially when this thread has been mostly kind, on topic, and very informative on other aspects. So more crate talk anyone less about this woman that shall remain nameless?XBOX ONE: NA
gt=PRETTYPHOENIX
561 stam sorc redguard ad (Ma'tet) (9 trait crafter) (Stormproof)
561 mag dk dunmer dc (Annaksunamin)(Empress)
561 mag sorc altmer dc (Ammeratasu)(Stormproof)
561 mag nb altmer dc (The Queen Akasha)(Stormproof)
561 mag plar altmer dc (Sekmet Menchit) (Shehai Shatterer)
561 heath dk imp dc (The Queen Khalessi) (Offtank)
561 stam nb bosmer dc (Missandei Unsullied)
561 stam sorc orc dc (Hannibal Lectress)
561 stam dk khajiit dc (Maleficent Domina)
561 stam plar redguard dc (Laggatha Lothbrok)
561 healer breton dc (Harleen Quindell) aka Boots
lvl 15 mag plar argonian ep (Sees All Draws)
Affiliations
Guild Lead of xTheDarkBrotherhoodx(PVE.Dungeons,Trials,PVP)In house Trade)
Officer in Daggerfall Big Ticks( PVP)
UNREST(Trader)
Motto
Loyalty,Honor,and Respect
PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-Off Stuff) Let Crown Crates Go Night Night, May They NEVER Wake0
