Well I have some crowns saved for the crates to try them out doesnt mean all my pay will go into them

I've been a paying subscriber of this game since Beta. I've never played any other Elder Scrolls game. This was my first. I am extremely bored with this game, but I still log in and waste hours in it. Sometimes I am able to find fun people to play with and I am able to enjoy my time in the game. Other times I log in and I'm surrounded by guildies who are not paying attention to chat or are just too lazy to respond to anyone logging in and saying hi or wanting to do something.

I will play this game until I fully get bored with it. ZOS adding crown crates isn't going to change my game experience at all. I will still either have fun or be bored or angry. Buying crowns and spending them on crown crates isn't going to change my game experience either. Tonight I purchased four 5500 crown packs while they were on sale. I now have a total of 52,950 crowns to spend. I did this NOT knowing that crown crates would be released this week. I just wanted to buy the crowns at a discounted price so I could have a bulk amount and use them for whatever in the future. Maybe upgrade horses on new toons, maybe do a few race changes, whatever. Will I buy crown crates? Probably. I will make that decision when I see the official announcement if I like what they have to say. Will my purchase change the game for the better or worse? Nope! Not one bit. If I choose to spend my money on crown crates, so be it. I gamble in real life in the casino on a weekly basis. More than often you lose when doing so, but it is fun for me. I have the money and I can afford to do so. Gambling at a casino isn't for everyone. Gambling in a video game isn't for everyone. You can hate it all you want, but there will still be a ton of people out there who will love it, and that's who ZOS is counting on. They are a company with a goal of one thing; Making money. The game will remain the same. People will still play it until they don't want to anymore.

That's all I have to say about that.

Alucardo wrote: »

Sigma957 wrote: »

Well I have some crowns saved for the crates to try them out doesnt mean all my pay will go into them

And I hope you get something nice. I'll save my crowns to buy things that I know I'm getting, like future DLCs, or cosmetics I'm really after. Not going to waste crowns on something that isn't a sure thing.

Thankyou but we shall see I mainly have the crowns for housing.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We'll be releasing Crown Crates later this week, and will be publishing an article on our website tomorrow with all the details.

Dang nammit -- I just blasted away my crowns I was saving for these. WIsh a little more heads up would have been given.

Kildayen wrote: »

I've been a paying subscriber of this game since Beta. I've never played any other Elder Scrolls game. This was my first. I am extremely bored with this game, but I still log in and waste hours in it. Sometimes I am able to find fun people to play with and I am able to enjoy my time in the game. Other times I log in and I'm surrounded by guildies who are not paying attention to chat or are just too lazy to respond to anyone logging in and saying hi or wanting to do something.

I will play this game until I fully get bored with it. ZOS adding crown crates isn't going to change my game experience at all. I will still either have fun or be bored or angry. Buying crowns and spending them on crown crates isn't going to change my game experience either. Tonight I purchased four 5500 crown packs while they were on sale. I now have a total of 52,950 crowns to spend. I did this NOT knowing that crown crates would be released this week. I just wanted to buy the crowns at a discounted price so I could have a bulk amount and use them for whatever in the future. Maybe upgrade horses on new toons, maybe do a few race changes, whatever. Will I buy crown crates? Probably. I will make that decision when I see the official announcement if I like what they have to say. Will my purchase change the game for the better or worse? Nope! Not one bit. If I choose to spend my money on crown crates, so be it. I gamble in real life in the casino on a weekly basis. More than often you lose when doing so, but it is fun for me. I have the money and I can afford to do so. Gambling at a casino isn't for everyone. Gambling in a video game isn't for everyone. You can hate it all you want, but there will still be a ton of people out there who will love it, and that's who ZOS is counting on. They are a company with a goal of one thing; Making money. The game will remain the same. People will still play it until they don't want to anymore.

That's all I have to say about that.

Holy crap, man. You must be the target audience. Why bother making a game that can boast huge customer satisfaction and a happy playerbase when there are customers who will continue to play even though they find it boring, and also purchase over FIFTY THOUSAND CROWNS while they're at it.

SantieClaws wrote: »

The weather forecast today in Tamriel:

Dark clouds, thunder, lightning and brown brown rain.

Lots of it. About the time that article is published.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

Yellow rain. Lots of it. From all of ZOS, for all of us.

Alucardo wrote: »

Kendaric wrote: »

Mutagem wrote: »

Kendaric wrote: »

There's one thing to look forward to... when the complain threads about buying 10+ scamcrates without getting the mount people want start, we can say "told you so". And I will take great pleasure in doing so.

Will those dumb forum signatures go away by that point too? The ones that sound like a 2 year old learning to talk?

Do they annoy you? Then I'll make sure to keep it.

You know what? I've even decided to make that line in my signature bigger.

I want to make mine neon.

Alucardo wrote: »

Cazzy wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Kendaric wrote: »

Mutagem wrote: »

Kendaric wrote: »

There's one thing to look forward to... when the complain threads about buying 10+ scamcrates without getting the mount people want start, we can say "told you so". And I will take great pleasure in doing so.

Will those dumb forum signatures go away by that point too? The ones that sound like a 2 year old learning to talk?

Do they annoy you? Then I'll make sure to keep it.

You know what? I've even decided to make that line in my signature bigger.

I want to make mine neon.

Shame we can't make them flash

How about big with gradient font colors?

It looks like this thread has turned into another ‘right or wrong’ / im leaving / ZOS has ruined the game / The game is dead / even singling out indivduals at ZOS for blame.

Seriously guys, at the risk of being flamed, the very point a lot have made about ‘every MMO’s goes this route’, is also the same reason every MMO has bags of content every year.

Although not a direct comparison, COD, Overwatch, destiny, etc etc (some some of the games on my shelf) all have gamble boxes. In each case they are not essential to gameplay. You do not need them to succeed in the game. You buy them if you want a new skin or gun dye etc. Gamble boxes have been an ‘addition’ to these games which is entirely optional.

My 11yr old likes to spend £5 or so of his birthday or pocket money on them. He hasn’t become a gambling addict and hes in the demographic of highly influenced. He understands he doesn’t need the items but wants the chance to try a lucky dip for a new item or in game graphic.

Does my 11yrd old rant and rave on about how its unfair gamble boxes exist? No. He just gets on with enjoying the game. I think some of the supposed adults should take a lesson from the ‘kids’ about acting rationally.

Though the crates are coming and we know they are a con

La Resistance - she lives on!

Yours with PAWS
Santie Claws

Suter1972 wrote: »

It looks like this thread has turned into another ‘right or wrong’ / im leaving / ZOS has ruined the game / The game is dead / even singling out indivduals at ZOS for blame.

Seriously guys, at the risk of being flamed, the very point a lot have made about ‘every MMO’s goes this route’, is also the same reason every MMO has bags of content every year.

Although not a direct comparison, COD, Overwatch, destiny, etc etc (some some of the games on my shelf) all have gamble boxes. In each case they are not essential to gameplay. You do not need them to succeed in the game. You buy them if you want a new skin or gun dye etc. Gamble boxes have been an ‘addition’ to these games which is entirely optional.

My 11yr old likes to spend £5 or so of his birthday or pocket money on them. He hasn’t become a gambling addict and hes in the demographic of highly influenced. He understands he doesn’t need the items but wants the chance to try a lucky dip for a new item or in game graphic.

Does my 11yrd old rant and rave on about how its unfair gamble boxes exist? No. He just gets on with enjoying the game. I think some of the supposed adults should take a lesson from the ‘kids’ about acting rationally.

In simple terms for you:

Your 11 year old wants to spend his pocket money on a Mars bar. He goes to the same shop that's always sold him a Mars bar when he asks for one, except today the shop tells him that in exchange for his money they'll give him a random chocolate bar with an incredibly slim chance of being the Mars bar he's hoping for. It may even be a chocolate bar he specifically does not like. He does not have the (sensible) option of requesting they just sell him the damn Mars bar so everyone is happy. They suggest that to ensure he gets the Mars bar he wants, he should spend his money multiple times over to increase his chances of getting the Mars bar.

Don't know about you, but I'd start going to the shop next door instead that actually values its customers.

Yuls wrote: »

Darkstorne wrote: »

Suter1972 wrote: »

It looks like this thread has turned into another ‘right or wrong’ / im leaving / ZOS has ruined the game / The game is dead / even singling out indivduals at ZOS for blame.

Seriously guys, at the risk of being flamed, the very point a lot have made about ‘every MMO’s goes this route’, is also the same reason every MMO has bags of content every year.

Although not a direct comparison, COD, Overwatch, destiny, etc etc (some some of the games on my shelf) all have gamble boxes. In each case they are not essential to gameplay. You do not need them to succeed in the game. You buy them if you want a new skin or gun dye etc. Gamble boxes have been an ‘addition’ to these games which is entirely optional.

My 11yr old likes to spend £5 or so of his birthday or pocket money on them. He hasn’t become a gambling addict and hes in the demographic of highly influenced. He understands he doesn’t need the items but wants the chance to try a lucky dip for a new item or in game graphic.

Does my 11yrd old rant and rave on about how its unfair gamble boxes exist? No. He just gets on with enjoying the game. I think some of the supposed adults should take a lesson from the ‘kids’ about acting rationally.

In simple terms for you:

Your 11 year old wants to spend his pocket money on a Mars bar. He goes to the same shop that's always sold him a Mars bar when he asks for one, except today the shop tells him that in exchange for his money they'll give him a random chocolate bar with an incredibly slim chance of being the Mars bar he's hoping for. It may even be a chocolate bar he specifically does not like. He does not have the (sensible) option of requesting they just sell him the damn Mars bar so everyone is happy. They suggest that to ensure he gets the Mars bar he wants, he should spend his money multiple times over to increase his chances of getting the Mars bar.

Or in other terms: Your 11 year old wants a Kinder Surprise egg (Americans, google it. It's more dangerous than guns, obviously). He probably doesnt' care at all for the chocolate around, and he'll probably get something in the egg he didn't want in the first place, or had no idea it even existed. Or he gets lucky and gets the one figure from this new series of collectibles he wanted. Maybe he simply has fun opening them. I sure as hell always had.

Except Kinder Eggs have always been sold that way - they didn't randomly switch to that model. And most importantly, being primarily a chocolate item and not primarily a toy (hence being sold in confectionary stores and not toy shops), the chocolate is always guaranteed.

This isn't ZOS trialling a fun new way to buy the items you want (primary item guaranteed and some fun extras, like Kinder Eggs and Happy Meals). It's ZOS saying "Hey, gambling boxes hook in some huge whale revenue! We should chase that revenue stream, even if it means our player base get a much worse deal. Screw the majority, we only care about the minority who are crazy enough to spend absurd amounts of money on these things."

There is literally no way you can defend this practice from a consumer stand point.

Yuls wrote: »

Darkstorne wrote: »

Suter1972 wrote: »

It looks like this thread has turned into another ‘right or wrong’ / im leaving / ZOS has ruined the game / The game is dead / even singling out indivduals at ZOS for blame.

Seriously guys, at the risk of being flamed, the very point a lot have made about ‘every MMO’s goes this route’, is also the same reason every MMO has bags of content every year.

Although not a direct comparison, COD, Overwatch, destiny, etc etc (some some of the games on my shelf) all have gamble boxes. In each case they are not essential to gameplay. You do not need them to succeed in the game. You buy them if you want a new skin or gun dye etc. Gamble boxes have been an ‘addition’ to these games which is entirely optional.

My 11yr old likes to spend £5 or so of his birthday or pocket money on them. He hasn’t become a gambling addict and hes in the demographic of highly influenced. He understands he doesn’t need the items but wants the chance to try a lucky dip for a new item or in game graphic.

Does my 11yrd old rant and rave on about how its unfair gamble boxes exist? No. He just gets on with enjoying the game. I think some of the supposed adults should take a lesson from the ‘kids’ about acting rationally.

In simple terms for you:

Your 11 year old wants to spend his pocket money on a Mars bar. He goes to the same shop that's always sold him a Mars bar when he asks for one, except today the shop tells him that in exchange for his money they'll give him a random chocolate bar with an incredibly slim chance of being the Mars bar he's hoping for. It may even be a chocolate bar he specifically does not like. He does not have the (sensible) option of requesting they just sell him the damn Mars bar so everyone is happy. They suggest that to ensure he gets the Mars bar he wants, he should spend his money multiple times over to increase his chances of getting the Mars bar.

Or in other terms: Your 11 year old wants a Kinder Surprise egg (Americans, google it. It's more dangerous than guns, obviously). He probably doesnt' care at all for the chocolate around, and he'll probably get something in the egg he didn't want in the first place, or had no idea it even existed. Or he gets lucky and gets the one figure from this new series of collectibles he wanted. Maybe he simply has fun opening them. I sure as hell always had.

Except that, for the analogy to be anywhere close to the Crates, Kinder had to be initially a toy company that used to sell their toys separately, and then started to put the toys in the eggs for your kid to have a chance at them instead of selling them directly anymore.

Maybe your kid find it thrilling, or maybe he will get annoyed after getting only a certain kind of you he doesn't like. I know I was very disappointed when I was a kid and got a puzzle instead of a figurine; Kinder Eggs were considered to be super expensive by my family, so I didn't get then very often, so it wasn't a simple matter of "just buying another".

But of course, this analogy is busted from the start, because the issue that plagues MMOs after these are introduced - which is the development of other areas of the game being put aside in favor of the ceates - can't plague Kinder since it is a completely different kind of company.

And for the person who again mentioned Overwatch, AGAIN, Overwatch's boxes DROP IN GAME through leveling up or playing arcade mode. You don't have to spend a single dollar on them. Even if the games were of the same genre and comparable in any way, the boxes they have are completely different.

Suter1972 wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Suter1972 wrote: »

Although not a direct comparison, COD, Overwatch, destiny, etc etc (some some of the games on my shelf) all have gamble boxes. In each case they are not essential to gameplay. You do not need them to succeed in the game. You buy them if you want a new skin or gun dye etc. Gamble boxes have been an ‘addition’ to these games which is entirely optional.

Not sure about the other games, but they're optional in COD because you can actually earn the skins in-game. Buying the boxes just gives you a chance at earning them faster.
What ZOS are planning to do is just plain unfair, and a mockery to their loyal customers. They want a quick buck? Fine, then just add the items as single purchases rather than in ridiculous RNG crates. Some of the stuff in there looks great, and I'm sure plenty of people would buy them were they added to the crown store as individual items. I probably would, but I, and many others have no intentions on supporting this gambling bollocks.

Yeah, I get that and as you say, all those MMO’s ive quoted you can obtain the same items by saving up credits etc

Are we 100% sure that ZOS aren’t doing the same thing? From what ive read its mostly consumables (which you can buy with crowns or make yourself, with the rare chance of getting a mount etc. Even if you then don’t want the crate items they give you the chance to cash them in for gems which you can buy the items you want (albeit at a very poor exchange rate)

It seems to me with a slight adjustment, corwn crates can function alongside the main game like every other MMO and until the news items gets published no-one has any concrete evidence either way.

Unless they changed it from how it was on PTS, which is possible of course, we know how the crates work. My main gripe with the scam crates is and has always been that I'll end up with items I don't want in my collection and can't get rid of.
I have no need for nor do I want female costumes, over the top mounts or argonian stuff in my collection at all.
Of course they can function alongside the main game, but not in the way they were presented on PTS and quite frankly I don't trust ZOS to make the changes needed to render the crates harmless.

The analogies in this thread are getting funnier and funnier. Now people are talking about chocolate!