Atleast make eye of the destructionstaff ulti blockable.

InvitationNotFound · November 2016

well...
1) we're talking about the morph that follows the player. if some ball group *** (as I'm not allowed to censor this, I'm very interested in seeing the actual result of the word...) triggers the ulti and follows you (incl. streak / gap closers) you have absolutely no chance to run away. you will die in a second or two... (and whatever stands beside you)

2) the animation can be hidden. so you don't even know that the opponent has the ulti up. (known by zos, but maybe not considered a bug)

3) they nerfed skills like vamp swarm and detonation in the past and they now come up with this... this doesn't make sense at all.

I haven't heard a single pvp player endorsing this ultimate (of course, they are using it). They still all agree it is a joke, unbalanced and bad for the game.
I'm mostly playing magicka chars and i really consider this ultimate (and elder procs online) as really bad design decisions which prefer the simple minded play style (press one single button and win (yes, not completely correct, but you get what i mean)).
That's what happens when a wild Wrobler (wondering if this swearword is going to be censored as well) appears...

White wabbit · November 2016

olsborg wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

Besides the point, the red circle isnt showing in cyrodiil atleast, kinda hard to tell if youre standing in it to begin with, but you cant merely "walk" or "run" out of it, its the morph called eye of the whatever and ppl can pretty much gapclose spam you and you cant do anything but take the 10k or so per second tooltip in dmg ontop of whatever else comes at you, goodluckwiththat#

What you can't even use your streak to get out ?

Did I miss something here? Are we all sorcs, I know they are meta(stam) but....no

Was referring to atleast one of your characters

keoma01 · November 2016

Area of effect ultimates should never do more damage on a single target than a single target one.

PS4_ZeColmeia · November 2016

It's pretty simple, The counter is the 2s telegraph. If its eye, root us. If its the main or other morph, roll dodge out...

Koolio · November 2016

Snare or Cc the user. Most the time there using stam to keep it on top of the victim/victims and don't have a lot. Stam user can shuffle and bow dodge after a cc and make this ultimate a big waste of time or Maybe actually consider a staff user a threat for a change.

Suter1972 · November 2016

ive got this slotted but I cant seem to trigger it. All the other utimates work fine and I have enough ultimate points. It just stays grey all the time. (and yes im using a destro staff!)

Bryanonymous · November 2016

Please stop trying to nerf a PvE game because of dead PvP. Just stop.

Solus · November 2016

Lol I experienced the pain of this last night. Problem is PVP isnt the profitable portion for ESO. PVE is, thats where the most content is, thats where the money currently is.

PVP is only an after thought, and most of the time ZOS is saying "oops, sorry/not sorry"

I would be surprised if they are even working on any kind of balancing at all for PVP.

STEVIL · November 2016

Edziu wrote: »

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

Use the old school PvE strat of "don't stand in stupid."

do you have seen to how much things zeni added red circle in pve? like to just heat waves etc from dwarven automatons, we have rec circle in all aoe skills from yout enemy faction so why the hell we dont have from this ult??

at all why it is more powerfull weapon ult than class ults like it or like vampire ult? everyone can use destro but not everypone is vampire to use batswarm so why it have longest radius than batswarm, cant be blocked in compare to batswarm, have much much higher dmg + make it from flame staff and it will deal much more damage for some people

Dont swarm morphs heal you or invis you as well?
Dont swarms start immediately, no 2s delay?
Do swarms cost as much ult?

STEVIL · November 2016

BTW LMAO

Remembering playtest rage on these forums abt OP 2h ult and pathetic never will be used destro ult.

Potenza · November 2016

Leave it alone, the ulti is fine. It is expensive and it doesn't kill you instantly - l2p.

KaleidoscopeEyz · November 2016

I hope they use it with a ice staff too so the morph immobilizes you in it. Is it better than the rest of the weapon ults? Sure. Is it line with other ults? Kinda. Take meteor for example. Considering this ult costs about 25% more, it does about 25% more damage. It's comparable to meteor in that manner. Bottom line? Don't stand in stupid.

olsborg · November 2016

Solus wrote: »

Lol I experienced the pain of this last night. Problem is PVP isnt the profitable portion for ESO. PVE is, thats where the most content is, thats where the money currently is.

PVP is only an after thought, and most of the time ZOS is saying "oops, sorry/not sorry"

I would be surprised if they are even working on any kind of balancing at all for PVP.

Cant do anything but agree with you here.

InvitationNotFound · November 2016

KaleidoscopeEyz wrote: »

I hope they use it with a ice staff too so the morph immobilizes you in it. Is it better than the rest of the weapon ults? Sure. Is it line with other ults? Kinda. Take meteor for example. Considering this ult costs about 25% more, it does about 25% more damage. It's comparable to meteor in that manner. Bottom line? Don't stand in stupid.

bad comparison is bad comparison.

the discussion is about the morph that sticks on the caster. if the caster follows you, you'll receive damage the whole time.

furthermore, meteor right now is a joke. it can be blocked and stepped outside of the area where it came down. this won't work with the destro ulti. if 5 people are throwing a meteor at you, you'll survive if know what to do. if you received 5 destro ultis you won't stand the slightest chance.

in addition, if an ice staff is being used you'll be soft cc'ed every second. have fun trying not to "stand in stupid".

Nyghthowler · November 2016

I disagree. I don't think any Ult should be blockable. That's why they're ULTIMATES....

Wollust · November 2016

Move out of it they say in a game where range isn't a thing and gap closers are completely overperforming.
Plus adding the lag and zergs makings the whole thing close to unavoidable due to performance related invisibility of the telegraphs.

It's not like in PvE where more or less everything is easy to avoid. Don't comment on it if you don't understand that much. And if you are using the following morph of the destro ultimate in PvE you are doing it wrong anyway.

SanTii.92 · November 2016

Good lord, ult is just fine. Learn to play and adapt, how do you not get so tired about whining and complaining all the time?

Ult has a windup
Ult has high cost
Ult can be avoided by groups if they split on time

You got outnumber, chased and locked down? Guess what, you got outplayed. l2p

Dreyloch · November 2016

If you know a certain person or group is using it, then make sure the sorcs in your group have negate too. If your solo? Well, why are you solo in cyrodiil in the first place? Your not changing a thing for your faction and dying in vain anyway.

This ulti is most effective in small places. In open field it can be avoided like negates. Learn to see the signs of incoming danger. Bunch of dress wearing sorcs and DK's in a tower together? To quote a certain comedian "Here's your sign".
See a coordinated group bunched up and heading up inner keep stairs? "Here's your sign".

Brought to you by "The more you know" =P

Edziu · November 2016

STEVIL wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

Use the old school PvE strat of "don't stand in stupid."

do you have seen to how much things zeni added red circle in pve? like to just heat waves etc from dwarven automatons, we have rec circle in all aoe skills from yout enemy faction so why the hell we dont have from this ult??

at all why it is more powerfull weapon ult than class ults like it or like vampire ult? everyone can use destro but not everypone is vampire to use batswarm so why it have longest radius than batswarm, cant be blocked in compare to batswarm, have much much higher dmg + make it from flame staff and it will deal much more damage for some people

Dont swarm morphs heal you or invis you as well?
Dont swarms start immediately, no 2s delay?
Do swarms cost as much ult?

heal is pretty ok, invis doesnt givig you to much , still nto hard to kill someone invisible in it by aoe etc, easy to counter, you dont see while your char is stunner, root etc
bat swarm 200 ulti on stage 4 vamp and destro is cost 250 + damage from batswarm ult is *** in compare to destro ult

GreenSoup2HoT · November 2016

Bryanonymous wrote: »

Please stop trying to nerf a PvE game because of dead PvP. Just stop.

Eso's pve is terrible compared to other mmo's. Eso is still a baby in the pve department.

Pvp isnt the greatest either but id say its better then most mmo's ive played (not balance wise but how cryodill works).

itscompton · November 2016

Edziu wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

Use the old school PvE strat of "don't stand in stupid."

do you have seen to how much things zeni added red circle in pve? like to just heat waves etc from dwarven automatons, we have rec circle in all aoe skills from yout enemy faction so why the hell we dont have from this ult??

at all why it is more powerfull weapon ult than class ults like it or like vampire ult? everyone can use destro but not everypone is vampire to use batswarm so why it have longest radius than batswarm, cant be blocked in compare to batswarm, have much much higher dmg + make it from flame staff and it will deal much more damage for some people

Dont swarm morphs heal you or invis you as well?
Dont swarms start immediately, no 2s delay?
Do swarms cost as much ult?

heal is pretty ok, invis doesnt givig you to much , still nto hard to kill someone invisible in it by aoe etc, easy to counter, you dont see while your char is stunner, root etc
bat swarm 200 ulti on stage 4 vamp and destro is cost 250 + damage from batswarm ult is *** in compare to destro ult

The damage of each tick on Devouring Swarm is only about half that of Eye of the Storm but on my Templar I still prefer the bats because if you catch at least 2-3 people inside the heal is not just "pretty OK" but more like "absolutely amazing". When I use either it causes enemies to all focus on me and when I'm using EotS that means I wind up having to spam heals to stay alive while its ticking but with Devouring Swarm I'm almost invincible for those 5 seconds which allows me to continue with my regular DPS rotation, more than making up for the difference in base damage between the two Ults.

And just to clear up a misconception: a lot of people talk about the huge radius of EotS but in reality Devouring Swarm has the same radius as the Destro Ult.

Minalan · November 2016

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

KaleidoscopeEyz wrote: »

I hope they use it with a ice staff too so the morph immobilizes you in it. Is it better than the rest of the weapon ults? Sure. Is it line with other ults? Kinda. Take meteor for example. Considering this ult costs about 25% more, it does about 25% more damage. It's comparable to meteor in that manner. Bottom line? Don't stand in stupid.

bad comparison is bad comparison.

the discussion is about the morph that sticks on the caster. if the caster follows you, you'll receive damage the whole time.

furthermore, meteor right now is a joke. it can be blocked and stepped outside of the area where it came down. this won't work with the destro ulti. if 5 people are throwing a meteor at you, you'll survive if know what to do. if you received 5 destro ultis you won't stand the slightest chance.

in addition, if an ice staff is being used you'll be soft cc'ed every second. have fun trying not to "stand in stupid".

Umm. Yeah. The eye of the storm morph that follows the caster around doesn't get any of the cool elemental effects. It doesn't get extra fire damage, cold doesn't snare, etc.

Nice try.

But honestly I used the storm eye morph last night, with 3500 spell damage and 43K max magicka it usually didn't kill anyone who just walked away for a second and healed it back up. Dodge roll. Rally. Vigor. It's over, now kill the sorc. Average tick on a heavy armor guy was around 5K? The tool tip is huge, but that gets cut in half. Then it gets cut by a third again by armor. Then any crits are cut by impen.

The stationary morph can be dodge rolled out and it's more clear where it starts and ends. That's truly a 'stand in stupid' ability, and if you cry until Wrobel makes it so that stam builds can stand inside and ignore it, this ult is done for.

But that's what you really want isn't it? To go back to farming your Free AP Piñatas?

Jamini · November 2016

Destro Ulti's are fine. Don't stand in the stupid, don't bunch up.

A coordinated storm running down the mountainside, wiping out dozens of players is a glorious thing. The guy that used it will probably be wiped near-instantly by any stamina player that gets close. It also takes time to kill, and a well-timed healing ultimate or magma shield can stop death easily.

Right now stamina are the kings of close/range and small engagements, magicka players are the king of group play, and tanks have a solid role in both wile not something you ever want in excess. This is a good thing.

andreasranasen · November 2016

OP should get dragged for crying for more nerfs to us Magicka characters.

BYE FELICIA

OdinForge · November 2016

Minalan wrote: »

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

KaleidoscopeEyz wrote: »

I hope they use it with a ice staff too so the morph immobilizes you in it. Is it better than the rest of the weapon ults? Sure. Is it line with other ults? Kinda. Take meteor for example. Considering this ult costs about 25% more, it does about 25% more damage. It's comparable to meteor in that manner. Bottom line? Don't stand in stupid.

bad comparison is bad comparison.

the discussion is about the morph that sticks on the caster. if the caster follows you, you'll receive damage the whole time.

furthermore, meteor right now is a joke. it can be blocked and stepped outside of the area where it came down. this won't work with the destro ulti. if 5 people are throwing a meteor at you, you'll survive if know what to do. if you received 5 destro ultis you won't stand the slightest chance.

in addition, if an ice staff is being used you'll be soft cc'ed every second. have fun trying not to "stand in stupid".

Umm. Yeah. The eye of the storm morph that follows the caster around doesn't get any of the cool elemental effects. It doesn't get extra fire damage, cold doesn't snare, etc.

Nice try.

But honestly I used the storm eye morph last night, with 3500 spell damage and 43K max magicka it usually didn't kill anyone who just walked away for a second and healed it back up. Dodge roll. Rally. Vigor. It's over, now kill the sorc. Average tick on a heavy armor guy was around 5K? The tool tip is huge, but that gets cut in half. Then it gets cut by a third again by armor. Then any crits are cut by impen.

The stationary morph and its special effects are garbage for pvp, maybe it's good for pve. The one people are talking about is the eye morph for pvp.

You're only hitting for 5K with 3500 spell damage and 43K max magicka? 5K per tick is still very high especially considering you're able to apply your own damage and CC. I hit higher than that against heavy with almost 1K less spell damage and less magicka.

It most certainly isn't dodge roll, rally, vigor.

Twilix01 · November 2016

Weren't people just complaining before this update came out that this ultimate was too weak to use compared to Meteor? And now people are crying for a nerf?

Minalan · November 2016

OdinForge wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

KaleidoscopeEyz wrote: »

I hope they use it with a ice staff too so the morph immobilizes you in it. Is it better than the rest of the weapon ults? Sure. Is it line with other ults? Kinda. Take meteor for example. Considering this ult costs about 25% more, it does about 25% more damage. It's comparable to meteor in that manner. Bottom line? Don't stand in stupid.

bad comparison is bad comparison.

the discussion is about the morph that sticks on the caster. if the caster follows you, you'll receive damage the whole time.

furthermore, meteor right now is a joke. it can be blocked and stepped outside of the area where it came down. this won't work with the destro ulti. if 5 people are throwing a meteor at you, you'll survive if know what to do. if you received 5 destro ultis you won't stand the slightest chance.

in addition, if an ice staff is being used you'll be soft cc'ed every second. have fun trying not to "stand in stupid".

Umm. Yeah. The eye of the storm morph that follows the caster around doesn't get any of the cool elemental effects. It doesn't get extra fire damage, cold doesn't snare, etc.

Nice try.

But honestly I used the storm eye morph last night, with 3500 spell damage and 43K max magicka it usually didn't kill anyone who just walked away for a second and healed it back up. Dodge roll. Rally. Vigor. It's over, now kill the sorc. Average tick on a heavy armor guy was around 5K? The tool tip is huge, but that gets cut in half. Then it gets cut by a third again by armor. Then any crits are cut by impen.

The stationary morph and its special effects are garbage for pvp, maybe it's good for pve. The one people are talking about is the eye morph for pvp.

You're only hitting for 5K with 3500 spell damage and 43K max magicka? 5K per tick is still very high especially considering you're able to apply your own damage and CC. I hit higher than that against heavy with almost 1K less spell damage and less magicka.

It most certainly isn't dodge roll, rally, vigor.

I used it against a tanked-up, buffed, shield using DK. He and a Templar survived it because it only did maybe 30-35K total and they had heals going.

The mobile morph gets none of the special elemental damage or CC, and a magicka Sorc is going to have to hit shields to stay alive for those seven seconds.

The crying about this though is epic. Some fool posts a pic of the 'stand in stupid' stationary morph doing 60K of fire damage to a vampire, then point and cry at the mobile eye morph that does half of that.

I'm just here to say.. MATH! And don't stand in stupid. You're all smarter than this. I hope...

Anti_Virus · November 2016

White wabbit wrote: »

Enslaved wrote: »

Bow ulti can be dodged/blocked/interrupted.
DW ulti can be dodged/blocked/purged
2h ulti is utter crap anyways, if you ain't under 7-8k HP. Can be dodged afaik.
resto ulti is defensive.
1h&s ulti is defensive.

destro ulti cannot be dodged, blocked, interrupted, purged.
If you ask me, for something that can kill 20 ppl in a few seconds, it should not cost 250 ulti, but 500-1000 lol

You where giving feet for a reason and if my slow ass Magplar can manage to get out of it I'm sure others can too

So no one uses the eye of the storm morph that follows you?

Just activate it and gap close spam = win.

OdinForge · November 2016

Your math doesn't make sense though, it's like you're running no penetration at all. With 3500 spell damage and 43K magicka, you should be hitting much higher against a setup like that. I can only dream of 3500 spell damage, that's not a world I'm a part of. I hit much harder than you against the same type of 1H-Tremor-BR-Viper-etc setups, with far less damage.

Anyway it's irrelevant what people say about the stationary morph, it doesn't move so don't stand in stupid applies. In PvE mobs don't really activate mobile AoEs and actively track you with roots and CC and damage. You can't apply that saying to EoTS because it moves with you. If you're playing the right way, your target isn't going to get away from you unless he's running from you 100% to begin with. If he's even remotely invested in trying to kill you, he shouldn't be escaping.

You're a Sorc with three shields, three shields is also a world I'm not a part of. Put your shields up before the ult and refresh one or two mid ult if you need to the ult still works on your back bar, then go back to attacking your target.

InvitationNotFound · November 2016

guess some people don't play pvp or hide somewhere alone in IC.

the point is, that the morph that follows is the new ball group skill. exactly what has been reduced with all previous patches. it simply replaces the old proximity detonation (while it still can be used with detonation).

you'll get 3-4 people using the ulti, charging trough everything, dealing too much damage for anyone to get away or heal yourself or team as you die within a second or maybe two (if you get lucky). that's the issue here. no other ulti performs like this. this kind of *** just became the new ball group meta, which is simply ***, once again.