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But for real. Best internet speed possible, only traffic on it is my Xbox, and I can't stay inside a sieged keep longer than 5 minutes.
No, it's not my internet. It's the crap server capabilities they refuse to fix.
It's the broken population in campaigns. All three campaigns pop locked? Better hope one faction doesn't have the entire campaign population because they very well might. Been plenty of times I've been wiped at the gate and counted over 250 enemies surge through it.
This is actually worse than DBZ in dragging problems out. We may never see this garbage fixed.
But for real. Best internet speed possible, only traffic on it is my Xbox, and I can't stay inside a sieged keep longer than 5 minutes.
No, it's not my internet. It's the crap server capabilities they refuse to fix.
It's the broken population in campaigns. All three campaigns pop locked? Better hope one faction doesn't have the entire campaign population because they very well might. Been plenty of times I've been wiped at the gate and counted over 250 enemies surge through it.
This is actually worse than DBZ in dragging problems out. We may never see this garbage fixed.
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✭It's actually getting worse and worse. Every time I've logged in for the last 5 days and tried to play PVP I turned the game off after just a few minutes because the lag is so bad the time between button presses and actions taking place are literally seconds and getting into fights with stam characters results in them being in one spot 5-10 meters away then suddenly being right on top of me and my health going from full to zero in the blink of an eye. No time to dodgeroll, block, or heal, the game just registers 2-3 seconds worth of animation cancelling instant damage moves all at once and then I'm dead.Edited by itscompton on September 13, 2016 7:46AM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I'm sure they're trying. And before anyone says they're not trying hard enough, why don't you try doing their jobs.
Perhaps you should try playing in less crowded campaigns. I've rarely gotten lag in Azura's but definitely in Scourge or Haderus. In the meantime, stability in the PvE zones have increased for sure. I've managed to walk into the city gates of Orsinium to turn in crafting writs and came out alive. I wouldn't risk any further until we've gotten a definite confirmation of a fix from ZOS, but that's still a BIG improvement from before when my game would crash simply by looking at the city.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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✭✭✭ZOS is constantly taking an accounting of things that need to be looked at. I don't think the devs are getting paid for doing nothing. Also the reality is sometimes fixes can't be ready and released as fast as players would like. Our sense of time for fixes as players is probably not realistic in the world the devs operate in.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Publius_Scipio wrote: »ZOS is constantly taking an accounting of things that need to be looked at. I don't think the devs are getting paid for doing nothing. Also the reality is sometimes fixes can't be ready and released as fast as players would like. Our sense of time for fixes as players is probably not realistic in the world the devs operate in.
Agreed. They do have to take a look at everything and schedule them appropriately, especially considering the approval process they have to go through with Microsoft and Sony for updates.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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Shogunami✭✭✭✭I'm sure they're trying. And before anyone says they're not trying hard enough, why don't you try doing their jobs.
I'm sure they are. And evidently no, they aren't trying hard enough.
I'm paying the company to pay their salaries - they are obligated to fix the product, I'm not obligated to imagine myself in their position or do their jobs.
I work 12 hours 4-4 shifts, I don't have to imagine anything. I work hard, spend money, and expect the damn product to be worth it. Period.
Having been active on and off since beta, I can honestly say that some things were better at release, and some things have gotten a lot better with patches and updates. But the actual issues, the gist of it, seem to be blatantly ignored in lieu of adding more content. And, like they said, they are trying to appease the ultra casual gamers who play a week here, a week there, come back for a month here and then leave for half a year.
Which is why I've become an ultra casual player. No need for any guilds, no need for anything at all actually. Questing and story is all the game has to offer, gearing and progression has been broken beyond all conceivable repair, from my perspective that is.
I won't quit the game entirely, I love ESO. I just hate that I love it, becuase it's occasionally just a source of frustration and regret - with stabs of awesomesauce and glee.-
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Publius_Scipio✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I'm sure they're trying. And before anyone says they're not trying hard enough, why don't you try doing their jobs.
I'm sure they are. And evidently no, they aren't trying hard enough.
I'm paying the company to pay their salaries - they are obligated to fix the product, I'm not obligated to imagine myself in their position or do their jobs.
I work 12 hours 4-4 shifts, I don't have to imagine anything. I work hard, spend money, and expect the damn product to be worth it. Period.
Having been active on and off since beta, I can honestly say that some things were better at release, and some things have gotten a lot better with patches and updates. But the actual issues, the gist of it, seem to be blatantly ignored in lieu of adding more content. And, like they said, they are trying to appease the ultra casual gamers who play a week here, a week there, come back for a month here and then leave for half a year.
Which is why I've become an ultra casual player. No need for any guilds, no need for anything at all actually. Questing and story is all the game has to offer, gearing and progression has been broken beyond all conceivable repair, from my perspective that is.
I won't quit the game entirely, I love ESO. I just hate that I love it, becuase it's occasionally just a source of frustration and regret - with stabs of awesomesauce and glee.
The truth is that ZOS owns ESO and can do with it whatever they want. We as players are not obligated to keep paying if we are not satisfied. We agree to ZOS's terms and conditions when playing. The only obligation ZOS has is to themselves to do the best job they can so they make the most money they can.2 -
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✭I'm sure they're trying. And before anyone says they're not trying hard enough, why don't you try doing their jobs.
Perhaps you should try playing in less crowded campaigns. I've rarely gotten lag in Azura's but definitely in Scourge or Haderus. In the meantime, stability in the PvE zones have increased for sure. I've managed to walk into the city gates of Orsinium to turn in crafting writs and came out alive. I wouldn't risk any further until we've gotten a definite confirmation of a fix from ZOS, but that's still a BIG improvement from before when my game would crash simply by looking at the city.
Well you'll be able to brag about how all the campaigns are lag free when everyone quits the game and then you can run around defending the Devs from poverty.
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Wolfchild07✭✭✭✭✭I imagine it's also really difficult to fix a game when you have to take the servers down to implement patches. Must be a huge headache. You can only test so much outside of the live servers. Another game I play can patch 2-3 times per week and implement emergency patches because they don't need to take the servers offline. Yes, bugs and lag are annoying. But that's programming, I guess. There always will be.1 -
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✭Nope, the game won't be fixed. ever.
Instead of fixing things you get a load of cr*p all 3-6 month, which introduces way more new bugs than they have fixed in the meantime.
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ArchMikem✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I'm sure they're trying. And before anyone says they're not trying hard enough, why don't you try doing their jobs.
I'm sure they are. And evidently no, they aren't trying hard enough.
I'm paying the company to pay their salaries - they are obligated to fix the product, I'm not obligated to imagine myself in their position or do their jobs.
I work 12 hours 4-4 shifts, I don't have to imagine anything. I work hard, spend money, and expect the damn product to be worth it. Period.
They don't have an obligation to you personally though. Their service is completely optional to you. You made the choice to pay them, and you have just as much of a choice not to pay them. Frankly you don't have the right to go to someone and tell them they suck at their job cause they're not meeting your irrelevant standards. You work a 12 hour shift job? Good for you. But I bet it's not THEIR job, and just because of that you don't have legitimacy to say they're not trying hard enough.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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✭To those who think they are entitled to something because they pay money allow me to direct you to most of the products we buy in real life. most do not even work, some do not work as advertised YET we still continue to buy these same products. I have been here since beta and yes the game has gotten better, at launch there where main quests that where broken thus stopping you from even progressing. I do not mind those of you who wish to voice your dissatisfaction but remember no one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to pay them monthly or even continue playing their game. If you do not enjoy your time on ESO then leave, other then that quiet down and play the game. Besides even IF they where to push 3-4 patches per week imagine all the people complaining then. server goes down once weekly and people raise hell over it because they pay 15 a month for eso+. Guess what so do i but i will gladly let that cut in to my time if it means new content or fixes.IGN: Ki'rah
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raglau✭✭✭✭✭I've been an ESO player since beta, I left for about a year and just came back. Many things are improved in my view, but then the release was a disaster, so in a lot of cases the only way was up.
But running an MMO is like painting the Forth Bridge, devs are always playing catch up. And in the case of ESO, because it was such a mess to start with, it seems it'll never really escape that mire. ZOS have to keep releasing new content, they need to justify the sub and tempt new people in and old players like me back to the game, but in the process they cause more change which breaks more things.
I also feel the support team are not exactly the greatest, you never see any ownership of problems or decent comms going out, so that does not help matters. And the amount of downtime over what by now should be predictable planned maintenance, is surely shedding subscribers, so there's less money to spend on hiring decent people. I do not ever see this changing now that ESO is into its lifecycle.
But despite all that, it is a very good game, in terms of design, content etc. It's just clearly got endemic issues and is not in the best hands.Edited by raglau on September 13, 2016 6:00PM2 -
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✭✭✭✭Ive made jokes about the original code and how it must be a train wreck. But the thing that finally made me say maybe im right, was in an eso live one or two back. They basically come out and say they are afraid to touch somethings because they dont know what will happen.
Either the people here now arent good enough to do it right, or the people who were here, were so far off base that the whole thing is a mess.1 -
raglau✭✭✭✭✭vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »Ive made jokes about the original code and how it must be a train wreck. But the thing that finally made me say maybe im right, was in an eso live one or two back. They basically come out and say they are afraid to touch somethings because they dont know what will happen.
Either the people here now arent good enough to do it right, or the people who were here, were so far off base that the whole thing is a mess.
Well, we can guess what happened. ESO was deployed too early, this led to a lot of fire-fighting and a huge amount of haphazardly applied fixes that were no doubt documented badly, or not at all, due to the operational pressures. Now things have perhaps settled a little from those early days, even if the will existed to rework things into a more strategic state, the lack of documentation and knowledge handover very likely torpedoes such a goal.Edited by raglau on September 13, 2016 6:14PM0 -
jao0199✭✭✭try to wrote a ticket about it..
they'll just ignore it anyways..
someone saw the twitch live ? they asked about performance issues and the answer was: "I THINK it improved a bit"
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✭This one would like to help walkers understand situation a little better.
Tamriel is HUGE. Simply too big for everything to be perfect. There are always going to be things that do not work as intended or issues being had... It's kind of the thing with an MMO.
Now obviously there are some things which frustrate this one (for a while Khajiit could not get in to Orsinium or most of Grahtwood so no writs or pledges) but this one had faith that the green speakers they would fix, no?
So then the green speakers they fix this and now Khajiit is crafting and pledging again. These things take time and must be balanced with the constant outcry for new content.
Also, in a game so huge which problem do you fix when there is always 20 problems you can only do maybe 4 of them at a time maximum?
Khajiit knows not the answer, otherwise Khajiit would be both humble and rich beyond dreams, but this one has faith in the green speakers fixing things bit by bit.Dark Flare is the Beginning, Radiant is the End. Hail the Light Bringers!0 -
Stump✭✭✭For those that actually want to help improve the game
https://jobs.zenimax.com/locations/view/7
they are looking for Customer Service people, Servers Admins, Programmers, Forum and Social media moderators and console engineers. just to name a few. have a look, looks like they they really are trying to bring new life to the game on the backendEdited by Stump on September 13, 2016 6:39PMCo-GM "Assembly of Safety n Security" PC/ NA2 -
Blackbird71✭✭✭To those who think they are entitled to something because they pay money allow me to direct you to most of the products we buy in real life. most do not even work, some do not work as advertised YET we still continue to buy these same products. I have been here since beta and yes the game has gotten better, at launch there where main quests that where broken thus stopping you from even progressing. I do not mind those of you who wish to voice your dissatisfaction but remember no one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to pay them monthly or even continue playing their game. If you do not enjoy your time on ESO then leave, other then that quiet down and play the game. Besides even IF they where to push 3-4 patches per week imagine all the people complaining then. server goes down once weekly and people raise hell over it because they pay 15 a month for eso+. Guess what so do i but i will gladly let that cut in to my time if it means new content or fixes.
I don't know who this "we" is that you're referring to that goes around accepting bad products/service, but whoever they are, they sound like a bunch of idiots. In "real life", when I buy a product that is nonfunctional, or does not work as advertised, it can be returned for a refund. Is ZOS going to start issuing refunds for subscriptions paid whenever things don't work properly? While the game is a virtual world, the product is purchased in "real life" like anything else, and should be subject to the same standards: deliver a working product/service or give refunds.I'm sure they're trying. And before anyone says they're not trying hard enough, why don't you try doing their jobs.
I'm sure they are. And evidently no, they aren't trying hard enough.
I'm paying the company to pay their salaries - they are obligated to fix the product, I'm not obligated to imagine myself in their position or do their jobs.
I work 12 hours 4-4 shifts, I don't have to imagine anything. I work hard, spend money, and expect the damn product to be worth it. Period.
They don't have an obligation to you personally though. Their service is completely optional to you. You made the choice to pay them, and you have just as much of a choice not to pay them. Frankly you don't have the right to go to someone and tell them they suck at their job cause they're not meeting your irrelevant standards. You work a 12 hour shift job? Good for you. But I bet it's not THEIR job, and just because of that you don't have legitimacy to say they're not trying hard enough.
You are forgetting the other half of the equation: while we each made a choice to pay them, they made the choice to accept our money, and by doing so have obligated themselves to their part of the contract, which is to provide a working product. If they are not fulfilling that contract after they have accepted payment, then yes, their customers certainly do have a right to complain about the job they are doing. So yes, they do have a personal obligation to each and every paying customer.
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✭✭✭I think it will get better. Maybe one day we will all have google fiber and with better technology and bug fixes the issues will gradually disappear.
Microsoft still has bugs if that helps answer your question
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jao0199✭✭✭vamp_emily wrote: »I think it will get better. Maybe one day we will all have google fiber and with better technology and bug fixes the issues will gradually disappear.
Microsoft still has bugs if that helps answer your question
yeah it has. but it dont affect my windows performances.. i run a lot of programs without trouble.0 -
Bandit1215✭✭✭I'm sure they're trying. And before anyone says they're not trying hard enough, why don't you try doing their jobs.
Perhaps you should try playing in less crowded campaigns. I've rarely gotten lag in Azura's but definitely in Scourge or Haderus. In the meantime, stability in the PvE zones have increased for sure. I've managed to walk into the city gates of Orsinium to turn in crafting writs and came out alive. I wouldn't risk any further until we've gotten a definite confirmation of a fix from ZOS, but that's still a BIG improvement from before when my game would crash simply by looking at the city.
Thank you for being the only reasonable person in this game and on the forums. I have thought the same thing but it seems like everyone just likes to hate on ZOS about every single thing they do/don't do. I can't imagine that reducing the lag by the amount most players are asking for is an easy task.CP 561- vSO HM - Completed
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Draven147✭✭✭I'm sure they're trying. And before anyone says they're not trying hard enough, why don't you try doing their jobs.
I'm sure they are. And evidently no, they aren't trying hard enough.
I'm paying the company to pay their salaries - they are obligated to fix the product, I'm not obligated to imagine myself in their position or do their jobs.
I work 12 hours 4-4 shifts, I don't have to imagine anything. I work hard, spend money, and expect the damn product to be worth it. Period.
This sense of entitlement is what is wrong with the world. You bought the product willingly you played it and saw what the state of the game was like and you stayed. At no point in time ever did anyone at ZoS force you to keep playing the game. ZoS doesn't owe you a god dam thing. If you choose to keep playing the game like the rest of us then you choose to accept it with all its flaws. If this game isn't up to your standards then walk away and check back every patch to see if it's improved any. There are many man other options out there.0 -
jao0199✭✭✭I'm sure they're trying. And before anyone says they're not trying hard enough, why don't you try doing their jobs.
I'm sure they are. And evidently no, they aren't trying hard enough.
I'm paying the company to pay their salaries - they are obligated to fix the product, I'm not obligated to imagine myself in their position or do their jobs.
I work 12 hours 4-4 shifts, I don't have to imagine anything. I work hard, spend money, and expect the damn product to be worth it. Period.
This sense of entitlement is what is wrong with the world. You bought the product willingly you played it and saw what the state of the game was like and you stayed. At no point in time ever did anyone at ZoS force you to keep playing the game. ZoS doesn't owe you a god dam thing. If you choose to keep playing the game like the rest of us then you choose to accept it with all its flaws. If this game isn't up to your standards then walk away and check back every patch to see if it's improved any. There are many man other options out there.
thats why the game is this ***.. because YOU accept it. YOU defend it when its wrong. YOU stay on forums defending ZOS instead of ZOS employers.5 -
jkolb2030✭✭✭Had something elaborate written up...and then realized it doesn't mean a thing..
I agree tho, the thought process of ZoS needs to be more on damage control than pushing the next big thing before they get into a point of no return
You can't build for the long run without stability in your game, and you can't build stability by throwing more structure on top of a broken/crumbling foundation..
That's about as simple an analogy can get for the way ESO is going based on the front office decisions.
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Blackbird71✭✭✭I'm sure they're trying. And before anyone says they're not trying hard enough, why don't you try doing their jobs.
I'm sure they are. And evidently no, they aren't trying hard enough.
I'm paying the company to pay their salaries - they are obligated to fix the product, I'm not obligated to imagine myself in their position or do their jobs.
I work 12 hours 4-4 shifts, I don't have to imagine anything. I work hard, spend money, and expect the damn product to be worth it. Period.
This sense of entitlement is what is wrong with the world. You bought the product willingly you played it and saw what the state of the game was like and you stayed. At no point in time ever did anyone at ZoS force you to keep playing the game. ZoS doesn't owe you a god dam thing. If you choose to keep playing the game like the rest of us then you choose to accept it with all its flaws. If this game isn't up to your standards then walk away and check back every patch to see if it's improved any. There are many man other options out there.
The pervasion of a sense of false entitlement is what is wrong with this world; that is believing that you are owed something when you have done nothing to earn or deserve it.
What you are being so critical of is nothing of the sort, it is true entitlement: if you pay for a product or service, you are entitled to receive that product or service in working order. Yes, if the product or service is not up to a customer's standards, they have the right to walk away from future transactions, but that does not negate the provider's obligation to the customer to deliver the product/service they were paid for in past transactions, so yes they do owe something to their customers. If they cannot deliver, then they owe recompense, either in whole or in part.
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fastolfv_ESO✭✭✭✭✭its funny we still have bugs from the beta, thieves guild was such a train wreck that it caused 90 documented bugs just in cyro, it was so bad the entire dlc should have been rolled back. Of these 90 bugs zenimax actually said they cannot reproduce 60 of them so they will not be looked into while a good half of em had videos to show its happening. Do you know how many bugs they fixed on that list since then? 1 lol. We had a bug hit the entire world reducing the movement speed of everyone by atleast 20% with TG when they tryed to change rappids and its still not fixed, old bugs from release like every pebble stopping your mount have come back. Fanboys can scream the games just fine but if you dont fix problems at release and 2 years of this crap pass by your too far in the hole to climb out, it will take a dedicated team to start fixing this mess and we all know they wont fork over a dime to hire the staff necessary to fix it3 -
americansteel✭✭✭✭davidj8291 wrote: »Find out next time, on DragonBall Z!
But for real. Best internet speed possible, only traffic on it is my Xbox, and I can't stay inside a sieged keep longer than 5 minutes.
No, it's not my internet. It's the crap server capabilities they refuse to fix.
It's the broken population in campaigns. All three campaigns pop locked? Better hope one faction doesn't have the entire campaign population because they very well might. Been plenty of times I've been wiped at the gate and counted over 250 enemies surge through it.
This is actually worse than DBZ in dragging problems out. We may never see this garbage fixed.
you asked a question that is far to great for zos to answer.
keep dreaming dudeNO LONGER PLAYING ESO
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