Snipe, Snipe, Snipe, Snipe, Snipe

Lieblingsjunge · June 2016

Hey peeps!

Snipe: Encouraging unhealthy gameplay or not?
Snipe: Rework or keep it as it is?
Snipe: Is it fair usage in PvP, as in 1) Sound bugs out 2)Latency lets you be hit by 3 at the same time.

~Discuss.

[Note: This post was edited due to people decided to focus on being negative, instead of discussing].

DannyLV702 · June 2016

I love my maelstrom bow, but you will NEVER catch me using that cheap, disgusting ability

Bromburak · June 2016

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

And no, I'm not whining, QQ-ing or complaining. I'm just trying to start a dicussion regarding SNIPE.

To be honest, from what I have read I doubt it.

Lieblingsjunge · June 2016

Bromburak wrote: »

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

And no, I'm not whining, QQ-ing or complaining. I'm just trying to start a dicussion regarding SNIPE.

To be honest, from what I have read I doubt it.

If I would be whining, QQing or otherwise complaining about something, you would know

I'm a woman - there is nothing I do better. But pl0x, stay on topic and discuss Snipe, and not my choice of words, kthx.

Zinaroth · June 2016

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

Bromburak wrote: »

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

And no, I'm not whining, QQ-ing or complaining. I'm just trying to start a dicussion regarding SNIPE.

To be honest, from what I have read I doubt it.

If I would be whining, QQing or otherwise complaining about something, you would know I'm a woman - there is nothing I do better. But pl0x, stay on topic and discuss Snipe, and not my choice of words, kthx.

If you genuinely want a discussion you should be asking questions and not just offer your own personal conclusions.

You think Snipe should be changed I think it is fine as it is.

Where's the potential for discussion in those two opposing opinions?

If you want to start a thread for discussion you need to ask open questions instead of just offering your own opinion.

Bc0z1g0th1gh · June 2016

Snipe should hit instant thats all. You can dodge it RD cant be dodged so its OP ;-)

Lieblingsjunge · June 2016

Zinaroth wrote: »

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

Bromburak wrote: »

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

And no, I'm not whining, QQ-ing or complaining. I'm just trying to start a dicussion regarding SNIPE.

To be honest, from what I have read I doubt it.

If I would be whining, QQing or otherwise complaining about something, you would know I'm a woman - there is nothing I do better. But pl0x, stay on topic and discuss Snipe, and not my choice of words, kthx.

If you genuinely want a discussion you should be asking questions and not just offer your own personal conclusions.

You think Snipe should be changed I think it is fine as it is.

Where's the potential for discussion in those two opposing opinions?

If you want to start a thread for discussion you need to ask open questions instead of just offering your own opinion.

"You think Snipe should be changed I think it is fine as it is". Congratulations, you just presented your own personal opinion, and that's a point of discussion. Now I'm curious, though, care to elaborate why you think it's fine as it is?

Mojmir · June 2016

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

Zinaroth wrote: »

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

Bromburak wrote: »

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

And no, I'm not whining, QQ-ing or complaining. I'm just trying to start a dicussion regarding SNIPE.

To be honest, from what I have read I doubt it.

If I would be whining, QQing or otherwise complaining about something, you would know I'm a woman - there is nothing I do better. But pl0x, stay on topic and discuss Snipe, and not my choice of words, kthx.

If you genuinely want a discussion you should be asking questions and not just offer your own personal conclusions.

You think Snipe should be changed I think it is fine as it is.

Where's the potential for discussion in those two opposing opinions?

If you want to start a thread for discussion you need to ask open questions instead of just offering your own opinion.

"You think Snipe should be changed I think it is fine as it is". Congratulations, you just presented your own personal opinion, and that's a point of discussion. Now I'm curious, though, care to elaborate why you think it's fine as it is?

Because I said so

Bromburak · June 2016

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

But pl0x, stay on topic and discuss Snipe, and not my choice of words, kthx.

Actually your choice of words are important to stay on topic because if you really wanted to talk about snipe,
you wouldn't have start this thread with a comparison to radiant destruction.

What you said about Snipe makes no sense either and that's a sign that you don´t want to discuss a skill like snipe,
you are just trying to justify why you cannot handle snipe and imo thats very silly.

Lieblingsjunge · June 2016

Bromburak wrote: »

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

But pl0x, stay on topic and discuss Snipe, and not my choice of words, kthx.

Actually your choice of words are important to stay on topic because if you really wanted to talk about snipe,
you wouldn't have start this thread with a comparison to radiant destruction.

What you said about Snipe makes no sense either and that's a sign that you don´t want to discuss a skill like snipe,
you are just trying to justify why you cannot handle snipe and imo thats very silly.

I can handle the snipes. That's not even the issue. If you could read my initial post - without reading everything negative and with a little effort[There is no point discussing with people who won't put an effort into understanding], you would see that 1) Snipe: Should it be reflectable or not?
Snipe: Encouraging unhealthy gameplay - like Radiant. Does it? Does it not? Reason for my radiant comparison, is just cause the forums are full of Radiant-QQ.

No, my questions are not explicit written, and I don't see why they should be, either. A little bit of effort and thinking to understand something is never bad and something I will encourage. Also, by writing the first post personal, I'm hoping to bring out people's personal PoVs and there is nothing better than discussing something you got a relation to - or something you feel something for. I'm interested in the personal opinion of the people - not wether they agree with my initial personal post or not ^^

psychotic13 · June 2016

Just block.

And from what you describe its 3 vs 1, they're in the tower. You're never going to win a fight you can't hit them so don't stand around for their taking.

And they don't stack cause of latency, that's just dependent on the distance between you and the flight time

Lieblingsjunge · June 2016

psychotic13 wrote: »

Just block.

And from what you describe its 3 vs 1, they're in the tower. You're never going to win a fight you can't hit them so don't stand around for their taking.

And they don't stack cause of latency, that's just dependent on the distance between you and the flight time

Oh, really? o.o I didn't know that. It always seemed weird to suddenly take 3 hits in the same second, but yeah. It makes sense.

The Uninvited · June 2016

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

But here comes my main issue: Cus of Game latency

Seems that Snipe isn't your problem, latency is.

psychotic13 · June 2016

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

psychotic13 wrote: »

Just block.

And from what you describe its 3 vs 1, they're in the tower. You're never going to win a fight you can't hit them so don't stand around for their taking.

And they don't stack cause of latency, that's just dependent on the distance between you and the flight time

Oh, really? o.o I didn't know that. It always seemed weird to suddenly take 3 hits in the same second, but yeah. It makes sense.

Well if you know there's 3 people in a tower 'synchronising their snipes' as you like to say then don't go and stand in their range.

Azor_Ahaii · June 2016

Snipe is the easiest skill do dodge in a game. Even if then person who use snipe fires from health, you can hear the arrow and you can easily dodge roll. If you try using snipe against good players, the snipe will not even land once (unless the enemy is using a magicka build), they always will easily dodge it.

Birdovic · June 2016

Azor_Ahaii wrote: »

Snipe is the easiest skill do dodge in a game. Even if then person who use snipe fires from health, you can hear the arrow and you can easily dodge roll. If you try using snipe against good players, the snipe will not even land once (unless the enemy is using a magicka build), they always will easily dodge it.

If game lags you hear the Snipe, but no damage is hitting you, then after some seconds you're hit by 3-5 of that, and you only know that because you instantly drop dead.
Its nothing you can do against if the lag is acting up again.

Nafirian · June 2016

Learn to play issue lieb.

Omgwtfbbq321 · June 2016

Snipe is only cheese when you cower in the shadows all buffed up to land 3+ snipes on a player that not only receives no indication of combat, but just has their resources drain while they walk around confused for a few seconds before falling over. All of which is done with very little effort on the snipers part.

In any other scenario the skill in fine.

The problem seems to stem from the fact that the sniper may shoot the arrows one after another, but the target seems to be hit all at once, leaving no chance of any counter play other than "GIT MOOR HEALTHHH".

Sorcs are fine with this as we have Defensive Rune, that seems to disregard anything after the fist arrow hits you. While revealing the location of the Sniper as he is kneeling down in a Rune.

leepalmer95 · June 2016

Snipe either needs its range toning down or it's damage.

Having a skill literally out range everything and have dmg similar to wb isn't the best.

If it going to deal high dmg i need to be in a range people can counter it.

Longer range = less dmg.

Thats my view anyway.

yodased · June 2016

Did I read this right?

You took a resource solo and died to 3 in the tower and want to nerf snipe?

Silver_Strider · June 2016

Snipe hurts when it hits but comparing to Radiant is a bit over the top.
Snipe has a farther range than Radiant but it has a slow travel time and can be easily dodged or, for DKs at least, reflected.
Radiant, while being a channel, starts doing damage instantly, cannot be dodged/reflected/LoS and will practically always kill you once you drop below it's threshold of 50% health if you don't have a heal or can interrupt it.

Latency and 3 people focus firing you aren't viable reasons for Snipe being OP at all. Latency itself has nothing to do with Snipe as ZOS and their bad servers are more to blame for that part and getting ganked by more than 1 person at a time, it really doesn't matter how much resistance you have because resistances don't count worth a damn in PvP, especially when under heavy fire so you were probably gonna die anyways, DEAL WITH IT.

Azor_Ahaii · June 2016

andypappb16_ESO wrote: »

Azor_Ahaii wrote: »

Snipe is the easiest skill do dodge in a game. Even if then person who use snipe fires from health, you can hear the arrow and you can easily dodge roll. If you try using snipe against good players, the snipe will not even land once (unless the enemy is using a magicka build), they always will easily dodge it.

If game lags you hear the Snipe, but no damage is hitting you, then after some seconds you're hit by 3-5 of that, and you only know that because you instantly drop dead.
Its nothing you can do against if the lag is acting up again.

This was tested on the pts in a 1v1 environment. Snipes can easily be dodged if you have ears.
Only 3 other people were around and they weren't fighting.

Birdovic · June 2016

Azor_Ahaii wrote: »

andypappb16_ESO wrote: »

Azor_Ahaii wrote: »

Snipe is the easiest skill do dodge in a game. Even if then person who use snipe fires from health, you can hear the arrow and you can easily dodge roll. If you try using snipe against good players, the snipe will not even land once (unless the enemy is using a magicka build), they always will easily dodge it.

If game lags you hear the Snipe, but no damage is hitting you, then after some seconds you're hit by 3-5 of that, and you only know that because you instantly drop dead.
Its nothing you can do against if the lag is acting up again.

This was tested on the pts in a 1v1 environment. Snipes can easily be dodged if you have ears.
Only 3 other people were around and they weren't fighting.

Well, read again what I wrote. Also that test envirnoment is a bad test environment for the problem I described anyway.

leepalmer95 · June 2016

Azor_Ahaii wrote: »

andypappb16_ESO wrote: »

Azor_Ahaii wrote: »

Snipe is the easiest skill do dodge in a game. Even if then person who use snipe fires from health, you can hear the arrow and you can easily dodge roll. If you try using snipe against good players, the snipe will not even land once (unless the enemy is using a magicka build), they always will easily dodge it.

If game lags you hear the Snipe, but no damage is hitting you, then after some seconds you're hit by 3-5 of that, and you only know that because you instantly drop dead.
Its nothing you can do against if the lag is acting up again.

This was tested on the pts in a 1v1 environment. Snipes can easily be dodged if you have ears.
Only 3 other people were around and they weren't fighting.

I love sound to work in pvp properly.

Natas013 · June 2016

Hmm, defensive stance becoming stam wings… might as well. All mag builds have sorcs shields, what's a little more blurring of the lines?

Rohamad_Ali · June 2016

lol No

Toc de Malsvi · June 2016

There is an entire thread devoted to changing the bow and I think you'd be surprised how many bow users want snipe to be functionally changed.

Minalan · June 2016

Range too long. Damage too high.

Too much reward for so little risk.

Rohamad_Ali · June 2016

Minalan wrote: »

Range too long. Damage too high.

Too much reward for so little risk.

You have got to be joking . To even make a great bow line work you really have to sacrifice defense . It's a one trick pony and the second you get exposed you better beat feet and find a new nest . How many 1vsX videos do you see with Snipe as a primary function ? Don't even bother looking , it's ZERO .

A Templar got focused down by 3 .. Uno Dos THREE ! 3 Snipers ! Because the ability is NOT Op and requires that against a decent build .

InvitationNotFound · June 2016

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Range too long. Damage too high.

Too much reward for so little risk.

You have got to be joking . To even make a great bow line work you really have to sacrifice defense . It's a one trick pony and the second you get exposed you better beat feet and find a new nest . How many 1vsX videos do you see with Snipe as a primary function ? Don't even bother looking , it's ZERO .

A Templar got focused down by 3 .. Uno Dos THREE ! 3 Snipers ! Because the ability is NOT Op and requires that against a decent build .

i like the Uno Dos THREE part the most.

Baconlad · June 2016

Yeah man. You got hit by three players, don't complain when you can't survive. Not many player can. That first snipe hit and you should have dodge rolled after it hit you (to make all other snipes not hit) then block/ sprint your way to an object to LOS. Force them to come to you for the kill. I personally HATE using snipe because it suffers the same problems as using dark flare which I do use. On my stamina build, I use heavy attacks over snipe due to the imense benefits of heavy attack canceling with poison injection, its a much faster attack, hits almost just as hard, and you're also getting the cancel with poison injection hitting REALLY hard. Soo...that skill actually is for the scrubs, and I wish they would take it out of the game since heavy attacking is so much better. Give us dual bar bow users major brutality on a buff skill not a attack skill...like the *** skill DW got for major brutality