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✭✭✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »I can give ZOS that, what was stated in the reasoning for best MMO 2015 - they make an effort, and they are still doing that, you can see, that they are actually listening and cater to some of the things players actually want. But I think, that their team might be overburdened with the tasks on hand. Some blame ZOS for a smaller upcoming DLC, but forget with it, that they had a lot of work to do with the japanese version, which launched recently as well. ZOS might just have too less staff.
What part of them lifting bans that were supposed to be permanent translate to them trying to fix the cheating going on both in PvP and PvE? I am sorry, but I just don't see it.
You want more? How does implementing the wrong patch to Consoles translates to trying? How does taking days to move a character out a city so the player can finally log in translates to trying?
Sure, they are trying to make a good game, but are they succeeding? Are they trying hard enough? I don't think so.
Where exactly did you get "the wrong patch" from? Seriously I'd like to know.
A bug related to how Thaumaturgy affects certain abilities was fixed on the PTS... But they rolled out the wrong version of the patch to consoles and thus Templar abilities are not affected by points spent in that particular allocation. Zenimax has admitted to that, you can search the forum to find it.
With consoles you have to have in mind with it, that ZOS has to deal with approval processes opposed on them by 3rd parties. They cannot just "last minute" add a change to what was approved to be pushed live on consoles. Any change has to go through the approval process as well and so they cannot push the latest fixes live like they would like to. Blame Microsoft and Sony for that.Edited by Lysette on June 23, 2016 8:49AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭mistermutiny89 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »Please don't give ZoS anymore awards for this game until they fix all the performance issues. They don't deserve any of them.
They're not. It's an award for the game, not the devs.
You don't give a painting an award when it wins, you give the award to the artist...
Right. So let's not give any awards to the frescoes in St. Peter's basilica because Michelangelo was, quote: "an arrogant, unfriendly, generally anti-social person and who incorrigibly fought with clients, popes and fellow artists alike."4 -
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✭would be interesting to see how many ESO players actually vote for ESO instead of another game.
In my case I've voted for EVE, even without touching it for ages. Same reasons as mentioned quite a few times here.We want firing off Dark Exchange in the middle of combat to feel awesome... - The Wrobler
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mistermutiny89✭✭✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »Please don't give ZoS anymore awards for this game until they fix all the performance issues. They don't deserve any of them.
They're not. It's an award for the game, not the devs.
You don't give a painting an award when it wins, you give the award to the artist...
(Where was that guy's head just now?) haha.
Wrong. At best the painting itself is the artist's award when the painting gets the award. You don't see people admiring the artist when the painting is prized, you see them admiring the painting.
Name one of Van Gough or Picasso's paintings..without using Google.
I win. You admire the painting but award the artist. Same with game awards.
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✭✭✭EstelioVeleth wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »Please don't give ZoS anymore awards for this game until they fix all the performance issues. They don't deserve any of them.
They're not. It's an award for the game, not the devs.
You don't give a painting an award when it wins, you give the award to the artist...
(Where was that guy's head just now?) haha.
Wrong. At best the painting itself is the artist's award when the painting gets the award. You don't see people admiring the artist when the painting is prized, you see them admiring the painting.
Aaaaaaaand writing books and articles praising the artist.
That's not admiration of the artist's work though. That is actually an entirely different thing.Guildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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UltimaJoe777✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭mistermutiny89 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »Please don't give ZoS anymore awards for this game until they fix all the performance issues. They don't deserve any of them.
They're not. It's an award for the game, not the devs.
You don't give a painting an award when it wins, you give the award to the artist...
(Where was that guy's head just now?) haha.
Wrong. At best the painting itself is the artist's award when the painting gets the award. You don't see people admiring the artist when the painting is prized, you see them admiring the painting.
Name one of Van Gough or Picasso's paintings..without using Google.
I win. You admire the painting but award the artist. Same with game awards.
If you wish to proclaim victory on that statement so quickly how about YOU name one? And when you do who is to say you didn't use Google?
I win.Guildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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✭InvitationNotFound wrote: »would be interesting to see how many ESO players actually vote for ESO instead of another game.
In my case I've voted for EVE, even without touching it for ages. Same reasons as mentioned quite a few times here.
I voted for ESO because it is still the game I would prefer out of all of those, but its the same that I said, its about preference not about which one is the actual best in the end
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✭✭✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »EstelioVeleth wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »Please don't give ZoS anymore awards for this game until they fix all the performance issues. They don't deserve any of them.
They're not. It's an award for the game, not the devs.
You don't give a painting an award when it wins, you give the award to the artist...
(Where was that guy's head just now?) haha.
Wrong. At best the painting itself is the artist's award when the painting gets the award. You don't see people admiring the artist when the painting is prized, you see them admiring the painting.
Aaaaaaaand writing books and articles praising the artist.
That's not admiration of the artist's work though. That is actually an entirely different thing.
if were going to use painting as a comparison to the debate, ESO should be worth millions after it dies? LOL3 -
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✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »EstelioVeleth wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »Please don't give ZoS anymore awards for this game until they fix all the performance issues. They don't deserve any of them.
They're not. It's an award for the game, not the devs.
You don't give a painting an award when it wins, you give the award to the artist...
(Where was that guy's head just now?) haha.
Wrong. At best the painting itself is the artist's award when the painting gets the award. You don't see people admiring the artist when the painting is prized, you see them admiring the painting.
Aaaaaaaand writing books and articles praising the artist.
That's not admiration of the artist's work though. That is actually an entirely different thing.
Yes of course, but in the end, it was the artist making the painting into what it is, the painting didnt just appear on its on and it receives praise because it was that artist making it. Same goes with gaming, yes we vote for the game itself, but its the company behind that makes the game into what it is.I like sweetrolls and I cannot lie2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭EstelioVeleth wrote: »InvitationNotFound wrote: »would be interesting to see how many ESO players actually vote for ESO instead of another game.
In my case I've voted for EVE, even without touching it for ages. Same reasons as mentioned quite a few times here.
I voted for ESO because it is still the game I would prefer out of all of those, but its the same that I said, its about preference not about which one is the actual best in the end
It is anyway comparing apples to oranges in a way - different genres of MMO. If it would be about fantasy MMOs only, I would give ESO my vote, because that part of ESO, which I play, is very entertaining and I have lots of fun with it.Edited by Lysette on June 23, 2016 8:57AM1 -
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✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »I can give ZOS that, what was stated in the reasoning for best MMO 2015 - they make an effort, and they are still doing that, you can see, that they are actually listening and cater to some of the things players actually want. But I think, that their team might be overburdened with the tasks on hand. Some blame ZOS for a smaller upcoming DLC, but forget with it, that they had a lot of work to do with the japanese version, which launched recently as well. ZOS might just have too less staff.
What part of them lifting bans that were supposed to be permanent translate to them trying to fix the cheating going on both in PvP and PvE? I am sorry, but I just don't see it.
You want more? How does implementing the wrong patch to Consoles translates to trying? How does taking days to move a character out a city so the player can finally log in translates to trying?
Sure, they are trying to make a good game, but are they succeeding? Are they trying hard enough? I don't think so.
Where exactly did you get "the wrong patch" from? Seriously I'd like to know.
A bug related to how Thaumaturgy affects certain abilities was fixed on the PTS... But they rolled out the wrong version of the patch to consoles and thus Templar abilities are not affected by points spent in that particular allocation. Zenimax has admitted to that, you can search the forum to find it.
With consoles you have to have in mind with it, that ZOS has to deal with approval processes opposed on them by 3rd parties. They cannot just "last minute" add a change to what was approved to be pushed live on consoles. Any change has to go through the approval process as well and so they cannot push the latest fixes live like they would like to. Blame Microsoft and Sony for that.
How can you try excusing them releasing the wrong patch? XD
They only realized when players in the live server noticed their healing wasn't scaling properly and took to the forums to question ZOS. The response they got was "there was a bug on the PTS, but we fixed it previous to the release of the patch. We will investigate this" and that was followed later by a comment hoe "later they'd need to implement a patch applying the fix once again". It is not the first time ZOS releases the wrong patch, by the way... Over a year ago the same happened on the PC and the server had to be taken down a second time so they could repatch the game <,<Edited by Grao on June 23, 2016 8:57AM1 -
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✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »EstelioVeleth wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »Please don't give ZoS anymore awards for this game until they fix all the performance issues. They don't deserve any of them.
They're not. It's an award for the game, not the devs.
You don't give a painting an award when it wins, you give the award to the artist...
(Where was that guy's head just now?) haha.
Wrong. At best the painting itself is the artist's award when the painting gets the award. You don't see people admiring the artist when the painting is prized, you see them admiring the painting.
Aaaaaaaand writing books and articles praising the artist.
That's not admiration of the artist's work though. That is actually an entirely different thing.
if were going to use painting as a comparison to the debate, ESO should be worth millions after it dies? LOL
Well it's a different case scenario in the world of online games. Usually a game worth its weight that is no longer ran by the original maker or taken away from the general public gets private servers to keep the legacy going, and some get the servers anyway for other reasons. Either way when a game's fanbase makes private servers they stand as a testament to the game and are the equivalent of the monetary worth of real life art of any sort.Guildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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UltimaJoe777✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭EstelioVeleth wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »EstelioVeleth wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »Please don't give ZoS anymore awards for this game until they fix all the performance issues. They don't deserve any of them.
They're not. It's an award for the game, not the devs.
You don't give a painting an award when it wins, you give the award to the artist...
(Where was that guy's head just now?) haha.
Wrong. At best the painting itself is the artist's award when the painting gets the award. You don't see people admiring the artist when the painting is prized, you see them admiring the painting.
Aaaaaaaand writing books and articles praising the artist.
That's not admiration of the artist's work though. That is actually an entirely different thing.
Yes of course, but in the end, it was the artist making the painting into what it is, the painting didnt just appear on its on and it receives praise because it was that artist making it. Same goes with gaming, yes we vote for the game itself, but its the company behind that makes the game into what it is.
Well sure but there are separate awards for the art and the artist, hence the point here. Anyone can attribute them together for any reason but that doesn't mean they should when the award is for an individual category, which in this case is the game. Of course one can argue that that is vague as well but still...Guildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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Thornen✭✭✭✭✭Voting for ESO is basically patting the dev team on the back for poor bug fixing lack of qa testing and $40 mounts... For me to even consider voting for ESO in its current state I would need a frontal lobotomy.5 -
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✭EstelioVeleth wrote: »InvitationNotFound wrote: »would be interesting to see how many ESO players actually vote for ESO instead of another game.
In my case I've voted for EVE, even without touching it for ages. Same reasons as mentioned quite a few times here.
I voted for ESO because it is still the game I would prefer out of all of those, but its the same that I said, its about preference not about which one is the actual best in the end
It is anyway comparing apples to oranges in a way - different genres of MMO. If it would be about fantasy MMOs only, I would give ESO my vote, because that part of ESO, which I play, is very entertaining and I have lots of fun with it.
Exactly, this is why I dont actually take the word of those websites that claim this or that game is the best, no this or that game was the most voted by people that prefer that gamestyle.I like sweetrolls and I cannot lie0 -
Grao✭✭✭✭✭
✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »EstelioVeleth wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »Please don't give ZoS anymore awards for this game until they fix all the performance issues. They don't deserve any of them.
They're not. It's an award for the game, not the devs.
You don't give a painting an award when it wins, you give the award to the artist...
(Where was that guy's head just now?) haha.
Wrong. At best the painting itself is the artist's award when the painting gets the award. You don't see people admiring the artist when the painting is prized, you see them admiring the painting.
Aaaaaaaand writing books and articles praising the artist.
That's not admiration of the artist's work though. That is actually an entirely different thing.
if were going to use painting as a comparison to the debate, ESO should be worth millions after it dies? LOL
You mean ESO should be worth millions after Zenimax dies, right? And it may be... If a company that is better take over the reins.1 -
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✭✭✭Voting for ESO is basically patting the dev team on the back for poor bug fixing lack of qa testing and $40 mounts... For me to even consider voting for ESO in its current state I would need a frontal lobotomy.
No, it is saying the game is worth playing despite any issues it has or people have with it. Naysayers will always naysay...Edited by UltimaJoe777 on June 23, 2016 9:01AMGuildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »I can give ZOS that, what was stated in the reasoning for best MMO 2015 - they make an effort, and they are still doing that, you can see, that they are actually listening and cater to some of the things players actually want. But I think, that their team might be overburdened with the tasks on hand. Some blame ZOS for a smaller upcoming DLC, but forget with it, that they had a lot of work to do with the japanese version, which launched recently as well. ZOS might just have too less staff.
What part of them lifting bans that were supposed to be permanent translate to them trying to fix the cheating going on both in PvP and PvE? I am sorry, but I just don't see it.
You want more? How does implementing the wrong patch to Consoles translates to trying? How does taking days to move a character out a city so the player can finally log in translates to trying?
Sure, they are trying to make a good game, but are they succeeding? Are they trying hard enough? I don't think so.
Where exactly did you get "the wrong patch" from? Seriously I'd like to know.
A bug related to how Thaumaturgy affects certain abilities was fixed on the PTS... But they rolled out the wrong version of the patch to consoles and thus Templar abilities are not affected by points spent in that particular allocation. Zenimax has admitted to that, you can search the forum to find it.
With consoles you have to have in mind with it, that ZOS has to deal with approval processes opposed on them by 3rd parties. They cannot just "last minute" add a change to what was approved to be pushed live on consoles. Any change has to go through the approval process as well and so they cannot push the latest fixes live like they would like to. Blame Microsoft and Sony for that.
How can you try excusing them releasing the wrong patch? XD
They only realized when players in the live server noticed their healing wasn't scaling properly and took to the forums to question ZOS. The response they got was "there was a bug on the PTS, but we fixed it previous to the release of the patch. We will investigate this" and that was followed later by a comment hoe "later they'd need to implement a patch applying the fix once again". It is not the first time ZOS releases the wrong patch, by the way... Over a year ago the same happened on the PC and the server had to be taken down a second time so they could repatch the game <,<
They can just release what was approved to be released - if they discover or change something meanwhile, this cannot go live. They will still have to push that live, which has the flaw still in it. There is delay in fixing stuff therefore.0 -
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✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »EstelioVeleth wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »EstelioVeleth wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »Please don't give ZoS anymore awards for this game until they fix all the performance issues. They don't deserve any of them.
They're not. It's an award for the game, not the devs.
You don't give a painting an award when it wins, you give the award to the artist...
(Where was that guy's head just now?) haha.
Wrong. At best the painting itself is the artist's award when the painting gets the award. You don't see people admiring the artist when the painting is prized, you see them admiring the painting.
Aaaaaaaand writing books and articles praising the artist.
That's not admiration of the artist's work though. That is actually an entirely different thing.
Yes of course, but in the end, it was the artist making the painting into what it is, the painting didnt just appear on its on and it receives praise because it was that artist making it. Same goes with gaming, yes we vote for the game itself, but its the company behind that makes the game into what it is.
Well sure but there are separate awards for the art and the artist, hence the point here. Anyone can attribute them together for any reason but that doesn't mean they should when the award is for an individual category, which in this case is the game. Of course one can argue that that is vague as well but still...
Sure I agree with you, I guess I am just more into the belief that even though its not spoken about, the people behind the game...ARE the game xD, I can look at the game and judge only the game, but... lets say the same game, same graphics, gamestyle, anything BUT made by a different company that actually deals with exploits, lag etc... same thing, but SO much more different, even judging only the game alone, it would get more points than it does now while its ran by ZOS.I like sweetrolls and I cannot lie1 -
Mojmir✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Voting for ESO is basically patting the dev team on the back for poor bug fixing lack of qa testing and $40 mounts... For me to even consider voting for ESO in its current state I would need a frontal lobotomy.
No, it is saying the game is worth playing despite any issues it has or people have with it. Naysayers will always naysay...
but its still bragging rights,something they dont deserve...yet1 -
Grao✭✭✭✭✭
✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »I can give ZOS that, what was stated in the reasoning for best MMO 2015 - they make an effort, and they are still doing that, you can see, that they are actually listening and cater to some of the things players actually want. But I think, that their team might be overburdened with the tasks on hand. Some blame ZOS for a smaller upcoming DLC, but forget with it, that they had a lot of work to do with the japanese version, which launched recently as well. ZOS might just have too less staff.
What part of them lifting bans that were supposed to be permanent translate to them trying to fix the cheating going on both in PvP and PvE? I am sorry, but I just don't see it.
You want more? How does implementing the wrong patch to Consoles translates to trying? How does taking days to move a character out a city so the player can finally log in translates to trying?
Sure, they are trying to make a good game, but are they succeeding? Are they trying hard enough? I don't think so.
Where exactly did you get "the wrong patch" from? Seriously I'd like to know.
A bug related to how Thaumaturgy affects certain abilities was fixed on the PTS... But they rolled out the wrong version of the patch to consoles and thus Templar abilities are not affected by points spent in that particular allocation. Zenimax has admitted to that, you can search the forum to find it.
With consoles you have to have in mind with it, that ZOS has to deal with approval processes opposed on them by 3rd parties. They cannot just "last minute" add a change to what was approved to be pushed live on consoles. Any change has to go through the approval process as well and so they cannot push the latest fixes live like they would like to. Blame Microsoft and Sony for that.
How can you try excusing them releasing the wrong patch? XD
They only realized when players in the live server noticed their healing wasn't scaling properly and took to the forums to question ZOS. The response they got was "there was a bug on the PTS, but we fixed it previous to the release of the patch. We will investigate this" and that was followed later by a comment hoe "later they'd need to implement a patch applying the fix once again". It is not the first time ZOS releases the wrong patch, by the way... Over a year ago the same happened on the PC and the server had to be taken down a second time so they could repatch the game <,<
They can just release what was approved to be released - if they discover or change something meanwhile, this cannot go live. They will still have to push that live, which has the flaw still in it. There is delay in fixing stuff therefore.
You are not getting it. ZOS, from their statement, clearly believed they were implementing the patch with the fix in it... But they didn't... They implemented the patch with the bug... What? you are saying the consoles, both of them, randomly decided they'd implement a previous patch?1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭EstelioVeleth wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »EstelioVeleth wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »EstelioVeleth wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »Please don't give ZoS anymore awards for this game until they fix all the performance issues. They don't deserve any of them.
They're not. It's an award for the game, not the devs.
You don't give a painting an award when it wins, you give the award to the artist...
(Where was that guy's head just now?) haha.
Wrong. At best the painting itself is the artist's award when the painting gets the award. You don't see people admiring the artist when the painting is prized, you see them admiring the painting.
Aaaaaaaand writing books and articles praising the artist.
That's not admiration of the artist's work though. That is actually an entirely different thing.
Yes of course, but in the end, it was the artist making the painting into what it is, the painting didnt just appear on its on and it receives praise because it was that artist making it. Same goes with gaming, yes we vote for the game itself, but its the company behind that makes the game into what it is.
Well sure but there are separate awards for the art and the artist, hence the point here. Anyone can attribute them together for any reason but that doesn't mean they should when the award is for an individual category, which in this case is the game. Of course one can argue that that is vague as well but still...
Sure I agree with you, I guess I am just more into the belief that even though its not spoken about, the people behind the game...ARE the game xD, I can look at the game and judge only the game, but... lets say the same game, same graphics, gamestyle, anything BUT made by a different company that actually deals with exploits, lag etc... same thing, but SO much more different, even judging only the game alone, it would get more points than it does now while its ran by ZOS.
The success of an MMO depends a lot on how the game is managed - it is not like with single player games, where you get a finished product (more or less), but an MMO needs permanent care and support - so the performance of the company is vital.2 -
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✭✭✭EstelioVeleth wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »EstelioVeleth wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »EstelioVeleth wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »Please don't give ZoS anymore awards for this game until they fix all the performance issues. They don't deserve any of them.
They're not. It's an award for the game, not the devs.
You don't give a painting an award when it wins, you give the award to the artist...
(Where was that guy's head just now?) haha.
Wrong. At best the painting itself is the artist's award when the painting gets the award. You don't see people admiring the artist when the painting is prized, you see them admiring the painting.
Aaaaaaaand writing books and articles praising the artist.
That's not admiration of the artist's work though. That is actually an entirely different thing.
Yes of course, but in the end, it was the artist making the painting into what it is, the painting didnt just appear on its on and it receives praise because it was that artist making it. Same goes with gaming, yes we vote for the game itself, but its the company behind that makes the game into what it is.
Well sure but there are separate awards for the art and the artist, hence the point here. Anyone can attribute them together for any reason but that doesn't mean they should when the award is for an individual category, which in this case is the game. Of course one can argue that that is vague as well but still...
Sure I agree with you, I guess I am just more into the belief that even though its not spoken about, the people behind the game...ARE the game xD, I can look at the game and judge only the game, but... lets say the same game, same graphics, gamestyle, anything BUT made by a different company that actually deals with exploits, lag etc... same thing, but SO much more different, even judging only the game alone, it would get more points than it does now while its ran by ZOS.
Well it depends really. Hypothetically sure any company could prove better than Zenimax. Opinions aside they do indeed have flaws in their decision-making without a doubt and that alone means there is room for a company to be better than them. Honestly though... I don't believe a single company exists that does not have a flaw or few of similar or greater magnitude. At least not for this genre lolGuildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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✭EstelioVeleth wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »EstelioVeleth wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »EstelioVeleth wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »Please don't give ZoS anymore awards for this game until they fix all the performance issues. They don't deserve any of them.
They're not. It's an award for the game, not the devs.
You don't give a painting an award when it wins, you give the award to the artist...
(Where was that guy's head just now?) haha.
Wrong. At best the painting itself is the artist's award when the painting gets the award. You don't see people admiring the artist when the painting is prized, you see them admiring the painting.
Aaaaaaaand writing books and articles praising the artist.
That's not admiration of the artist's work though. That is actually an entirely different thing.
Yes of course, but in the end, it was the artist making the painting into what it is, the painting didnt just appear on its on and it receives praise because it was that artist making it. Same goes with gaming, yes we vote for the game itself, but its the company behind that makes the game into what it is.
Well sure but there are separate awards for the art and the artist, hence the point here. Anyone can attribute them together for any reason but that doesn't mean they should when the award is for an individual category, which in this case is the game. Of course one can argue that that is vague as well but still...
Sure I agree with you, I guess I am just more into the belief that even though its not spoken about, the people behind the game...ARE the game xD, I can look at the game and judge only the game, but... lets say the same game, same graphics, gamestyle, anything BUT made by a different company that actually deals with exploits, lag etc... same thing, but SO much more different, even judging only the game alone, it would get more points than it does now while its ran by ZOS.
The success of an MMO depends a lot on how the game is managed - it is not like with single player games, where you get a finished product (more or less), but an MMO needs permanent care and support - so the performance of the company is vital.
Thats what I was trying to get at with my broken english, thank you xDI like sweetrolls and I cannot lie0 -
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mistermutiny89✭✭✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »Please don't give ZoS anymore awards for this game until they fix all the performance issues. They don't deserve any of them.
They're not. It's an award for the game, not the devs.
You don't give a painting an award when it wins, you give the award to the artist...
(Where was that guy's head just now?) haha.
Wrong. At best the painting itself is the artist's award when the painting gets the award. You don't see people admiring the artist when the painting is prized, you see them admiring the painting.
Name one of Van Gough or Picasso's paintings..without using Google.
I win. You admire the painting but award the artist. Same with game awards.
If you wish to proclaim victory on that statement so quickly how about YOU name one? And when you do who is to say you didn't use Google?
I win.
Haha I can't name one either because it's the artist that is remembered. Which proves my debate. [snip]
Anyway, enough semantics... No more awards for ZoS until they fix performance. End of.
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✭✭✭✭✭mistermutiny89 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »Please don't give ZoS anymore awards for this game until they fix all the performance issues. They don't deserve any of them.
They're not. It's an award for the game, not the devs.
You don't give a painting an award when it wins, you give the award to the artist...
(Where was that guy's head just now?) haha.
Wrong. At best the painting itself is the artist's award when the painting gets the award. You don't see people admiring the artist when the painting is prized, you see them admiring the painting.
Name one of Van Gough or Picasso's paintings..without using Google.
I win. You admire the painting but award the artist. Same with game awards.
If you wish to proclaim victory on that statement so quickly how about YOU name one? And when you do who is to say you didn't use Google?
I win.
Haha I can't name one either because it's the artist that is remembered. Which proves my debate.
Anyway, enough semantics... No more awards for ZoS until they fix performance. End of.
I'm more of a dahli fan personally
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✭✭✭mistermutiny89 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »mistermutiny89 wrote: »Please don't give ZoS anymore awards for this game until they fix all the performance issues. They don't deserve any of them.
They're not. It's an award for the game, not the devs.
You don't give a painting an award when it wins, you give the award to the artist...
(Where was that guy's head just now?) haha.
Wrong. At best the painting itself is the artist's award when the painting gets the award. You don't see people admiring the artist when the painting is prized, you see them admiring the painting.
Name one of Van Gough or Picasso's paintings..without using Google.
I win. You admire the painting but award the artist. Same with game awards.
If you wish to proclaim victory on that statement so quickly how about YOU name one? And when you do who is to say you didn't use Google?
I win.
Haha I can't name one either because it's the artist that is remembered. Which proves my debate.
Anyway, enough semantics... No more awards for ZoS until they fix performance. End of.
No, it does not. Quite the opposite actually. We play ESO and know about ESO. We do not come here to discuss art as art fans. It is expected neither of us can name one because neither of us cares enough to know such things. Don't play the analogy out if you can't see it through.
[minor edit for quote]Edited by ZOS_CoriJ on June 23, 2016 2:42PMGuildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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Different people like different things, but that means nothing, what matters is what the game is to you, not to an online website!
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