Stamina Sorcerer Feedback Thread: Patch 2.4.3 Update - Crit surge now affected by Battle Spirit

Jar_Ek · May 2016

@Grao well I did playtest it and it's still useless in combat. The 1s cast time just gets you dead - as I said it maybe ok with a shield to hide behind but stamina shield is expensive and health scaled.

Grao · May 2016

Jar_Ek wrote: »

@Grao well I did playtest it and it's still useless in combat. The 1s cast time just gets you dead - as I said it maybe ok with a shield to hide behind but stamina shield is expensive and health scaled.

Oh, I know... A long time ago I changed the name for that skill and morphs to Useless Exchange, Useless Deal and Useless Conversion. You will get no arguments from me on that... But @Wrobel somehow thinks that skill is good and they won't remove the cast time because of permanent shielding and blocking in PvP... So... Eh... We are stuck with the Uselessness.

Ahzek · May 2016

Grao wrote: »

Jar_Ek wrote: »

@Grao well I did playtest it and it's still useless in combat. The 1s cast time just gets you dead - as I said it maybe ok with a shield to hide behind but stamina shield is expensive and health scaled.

Oh, I know... A long time ago I changed the name for that skill and morphs to Useless Exchange, Useless Deal and Useless Conversion. You will get no arguments from me on that... But @Wrobel somehow thinks that skill is good and they won't remove the cast time because of permanent shielding and blocking in PvP... So... Eh... We are stuck with the Uselessness.

Maybe a change of strategy is in order here. Instead off calling the skill useless we should call it overpwered. Back when templars had blinding flashes that was the most powerful non ult ability in the game and it got reworked to become the well loved radiant destruction we know today.
So if we can trick wrobble to believe dark exchange is OP we might decive him to completely rework the skill and give us sonething useful instead ?

XaXa · May 2016

Like this?

@wrobel. Dark deal is OP and needs a nerf. The 1 second cast time is just too good and should be toned down to instant in order to make it fair for all the other classes.

Also the resource return being given as a low flat amount is just way too strong. I propose it returns stamina over time upon cast (10k over 10 seconds or something less usefull then what we have now)

Grao · May 2016

XaXa wrote: »

Like this?

@wrobel. Dark deal is OP and needs a nerf. The 1 second cast time is just too good and should be toned down to instant in order to make it fair for all the other classes.

Also the resource return being given as a low flat amount is just way too strong. I propose it returns stamina over time upon cast (10k over 10 seconds or something less usefull then what we have now)

No, no, no... It is way too OP, the skill needs to be completely redesigned. There is no saving it.

Turbine · May 2016

I played Stam Sorc on the PTS and its not good now. Its weaker then it was they really need to change it ...

exiledtyrant · May 2016

I went ahead and got some more appropriate PVE gear together today. I would up using 5 piece twice born star , 4 piece dreugh slayer, and 3 piece agility. This was full heavy with stamina jewelry. I golded all my weapons and glyphs. I glyphed my weapons with a standard weapon power and absorb stamina glyph. I made all my weapons axes and precise instead of using a mixed variety of maelstrom weapons. I used shadow + thief mundus stones.

My template has run the first 5 stages of maelstrom a few times so they are a little over 300 CP. For red CP I had 10% physical reduction, 11% spell reduction, 10% healing received. For green CP I had 10% stamina ability reduction, 7.5% stamina regen, and 10% dodge roll/break free reduction. For blue CP I had 12% healing done, 10% DOT damage, 10% Physical damage, and 6% weapon critical damage.

Performance on the first stage was better than previous runs. The latest double duel wield setup felt a lot more functional than what I had used before. I went ahead and made a recording for the first stage to give an idea about how the healing and damage abilities come together. The screen shots from left to right show the HPS for the last fight, stats for my front bar, and stats for my back bar. Note that while the weapon damage looks low but wrath + my weapon glyph take me into the 3k+ range .

Video:

https://youtu.be/ObP_1Epuoqs

One of the key things to notice is how dark deal helped refill my stamina up relatively quickly when I dumped it all on AOE. It still struggled to provide a good buffer at low health but was fairly good at above 25% or so health. If I wanted to really boost healing I would have used 30% healing + regen pots. Tripots have their own merits though.

I did have to cycle a lot of buffs. Perhaps far more than other classes. I also had to slot a lot of defense. Maybe more ways to work around this type of game play would help Sorcerers long term. Bonuses for buffing or when buffs fall off. Bonuses for moving around etc.. Something to think about.

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I think this will be my last feedback on surge until it hits Live. I have also had my fill of the arena. I usually get to stage 4 with 8-9 lives and then lose them all at the boss fight. Round 4 of stage 5 is about where I am capped at. Someone who is much better at Arena, with more sets, and CP playing perfectly could probably complete it. Healing definitely needs to be bumped if we are expected to mitigate the amount of damage VMA throws out as our sole defense.

NativeJoe · May 2016

Just throwing this out there for you guys <magicka sorc>

But this is what your patch notes should sound like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1MghzHzg2o

Not this :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACc9897ulUU

genjutsu_kami · May 2016

does any know when the last patch changes will be updated on PTS before it goes live ?????

Jar_Ek · May 2016

If nothing is going to change significantly I woulnt worry about it genjutsu. But I guess the same time as the character copy?

Tyrannitar · May 2016

This topic is dying down and I'm not gonna let it.

As a new avenue for discussion:

What are we going to do now that we lost our only CC aside from bolt escape? We're forced to take a DPS drop in some regard for CC now, whereas every other stamina build doesn't have that concern as WB isn't their main damage sink.

PainfulFAFA · May 2016

Tyrannitar wrote: »

This topic is dying down and I'm not gonna let it.

As a new avenue for discussion:

What are we going to do now that we lost our only CC aside from bolt escape? We're forced to take a DPS drop in some regard for CC now, whereas every other stamina build doesn't have that concern as WB isn't their main damage sink.

My CCs as a stam sorc will come from Rune Cage, Streak, Negate, Invasion, Draining shot, and thats about it. Im actually one of those that like the changes to WB because its CC would sometimes ruin a combo that i had with another weapon.

With that said...
FIX CRYSTAL BLAST
FIX OVERLOAD
FIX SURGE
FFS

Calboy · May 2016

To prepare for DB I'm going to spec dw/bow early so that when DB hits it will actually be a buff for what is currently a terrible build on live and I hopefully won't feel so depressed because between my stam sorc and my magicka dk things just aren't good.

Thinking something like:
Flurry, craze, rune, hunter, streak - DB
Poison inj., Vigor, surge, shuffle, bs/ hurricane - GSA

NativeJoe · May 2016

Participated in a tournament Today. Dueled over 30 different people and was doing great for a while. Got wiped out by a stamina dk in under 9 seconds with a leap, WB, and Heavy attack weave followed by WB wB WB. Was stunned and was nothing I could do about the burst.

The final rounds of the tournament Had all stamina Dk's and stamina Nightblades. No sorcs made it to the finals. No templars either. No magick Dk's, No magick nightblades.

Just throwing this out there... But THE strongest classes that actually made it to the finals and won... are getting buffed next patch. .....Those that didn't are all getting collectively nerfed in one way or another. (for nightblades I hear it's a passive they're losing, for templars it's the same nuke to dots and channels we got nerfed by, and dks it's something I don't remember.... For sorcs... obviously painted all over this forum...and it's our DPS, defense, identity, utility, niche builds, etc that are being hit with the mighty nerf hammer)

As I've said before...
we're losing just about Everything this coming patch... it's not that the sky is falling. but the ground beneath our feet is. Our class foundation has been destroyed... and what is left?
The best sorcs in the game. like top 200 players!!!! are struggling to complete vma...
Like I don't know how I can possibly explain this more coherently then what I have in previous posts.

I guess here is my TL;DR to the developer or anyone that cares. "Sorcs are not just nerfed to the point of being ineffective, and non-competitive with these changes, they are liability to any core pve, pvp, or trial group."

Khaos_Bane · May 2016

NativeJoe wrote: »

Participated in a tournament Today. Dueled over 30 different people and was doing great for a while. Got wiped out by a stamina dk in under 9 seconds with a leap, WB, and Heavy attack weave followed by WB wB WB. Was stunned and was nothing I could do about the burst.

The final rounds of the tournament Had all stamina Dk's and stamina Nightblades. No sorcs made it to the finals. No templars either. No magick Dk's, No magick nightblades.

Just throwing this out there... But THE strongest classes that actually made it to the finals and won... are getting buffed next patch. .....Those that didn't are all getting collectively nerfed in one way or another. (for nightblades I hear it's a passive they're losing, for templars it's the same nuke to dots and channels we got nerfed by, and dks it's something I don't remember.... For sorcs... obviously painted all over this forum...and it's our DPS, defense, identity, utility, niche builds, etc that are being hit with the mighty nerf hammer)

As I've said before...
we're losing just about Everything this coming patch... it's not that the sky is falling. but the ground beneath our feet is. Our class foundation has been destroyed... and what is left?
The best sorcs in the game. like top 200 players!!!! are struggling to complete vma...
Like I don't know how I can possibly explain this more coherently then what I have in previous posts.

I guess here is my TL;DR to the developer or anyone that cares. "Sorcs are not just nerfed to the point of being ineffective, and non-competitive with these changes, they are liability to any core pve, pvp, or trial group."

STA DK and NB have ALWAYS been priority of @Wrobel , and I am sure it will be in the future.

XaXa · May 2016

Did some PTS dueling last night. I was the only stamina sorc there out of several stam dks, nightblades and a few magicka classes.

I was using 5 Hundings, 3 Night Mother Gaze, 1 Kena. All legendary. Divines on big pieces and impen on small. All stam enchants. 3 agility with 2 regen and 1 weapon damage.

Was using dw axes/bow setup.

Overall, the changes are growing on me. I would be super fast with bows speed boost and hurricane up mostly 24/7.

The fights were fairly even. Managed to beat everyone there at least once.

I really feel for the magicka sorcs tho. Yall got screwed over.

EDIT: my goal with this set up was to find a setup that would allow me to easily bounce between pvp / pve. As such i sit at around 50% crit and get my surge heal practically every second. In PVE my surge was crit healing for around 5.5k.

I would toss down trops, poison inject, use streak as a gap closer, drop rearming trap, and flurry my heart away.

Worked better then i expected.

Brrrofski · May 2016

XaXa wrote: »

Did some PTS dueling last night. I was the only stamina sorc there out of several stam dks, nightblades and a few magicka classes.

I was using 5 Hundings, 3 Night Mother Gaze, 1 Kena. All legendary. Divines on big pieces and impen on small. All stam enchants. 3 agility with 2 regen and 1 weapon damage.

Was using dw axes/bow setup.

Overall, the changes are growing on me. I would be super fast with bows speed boost and hurricane up mostly 24/7.

The fights were fairly even. Managed to beat everyone there at least once.

I really feel for the magicka sorcs tho. Yall got screwed over.

You seriously kind of like the stam sorc changes and feel sorry for magica sorcs?

Are you playing the same game as us?

XaXa · May 2016

Brrrofski wrote: »

XaXa wrote: »

Did some PTS dueling last night. I was the only stamina sorc there out of several stam dks, nightblades and a few magicka classes.

I was using 5 Hundings, 3 Night Mother Gaze, 1 Kena. All legendary. Divines on big pieces and impen on small. All stam enchants. 3 agility with 2 regen and 1 weapon damage.

Was using dw axes/bow setup.

Overall, the changes are growing on me. I would be super fast with bows speed boost and hurricane up mostly 24/7.

The fights were fairly even. Managed to beat everyone there at least once.

I really feel for the magicka sorcs tho. Yall got screwed over.

You seriously kind of like the stam sorc changes and feel sorry for magica sorcs?

Are you playing the same game as us?

No need to be snarky i am simply reporting my experiences on the PTS last night.

I had a fairly successful duel session against a wide variety of classes and builds. Are the surge chances great? No. I would prefer they replaced power surge with the old crit surge and gave it major sorccery.

Are we top dog DPS? No. PVP? No. Do both magicka and stam need work? Yes.

In regards to me Liking the changes i never said that. I simply said they are growing on me. I got bored of WB and actually had fun zipping around and flurrying people.

Emma_Overload · May 2016

NativeJoe wrote: »

Participated in a tournament Today. Dueled over 30 different people and was doing great for a while. Got wiped out by a stamina dk in under 9 seconds with a leap, WB, and Heavy attack weave followed by WB wB WB. Was stunned and was nothing I could do about the burst.

The final rounds of the tournament Had all stamina Dk's and stamina Nightblades. No sorcs made it to the finals. No templars either. No magick Dk's, No magick nightblades.

Just throwing this out there... But THE strongest classes that actually made it to the finals and won... are getting buffed next patch. .....Those that didn't are all getting collectively nerfed in one way or another. (for nightblades I hear it's a passive they're losing, for templars it's the same nuke to dots and channels we got nerfed by, and dks it's something I don't remember.... For sorcs... obviously painted all over this forum...and it's our DPS, defense, identity, utility, niche builds, etc that are being hit with the mighty nerf hammer)

As I've said before...
we're losing just about Everything this coming patch... it's not that the sky is falling. but the ground beneath our feet is. Our class foundation has been destroyed... and what is left?
The best sorcs in the game. like top 200 players!!!! are struggling to complete vma...
Like I don't know how I can possibly explain this more coherently then what I have in previous posts.

I guess here is my TL;DR to the developer or anyone that cares. "Sorcs are not just nerfed to the point of being ineffective, and non-competitive with these changes, they are liability to any core pve, pvp, or trial group."

None of what you said surprises me. The hardest hitting builds on Live are hitting as hard as ever on PTS. Why does ZOS keep acting like Stamblades and Stam DKs are the weakest classes in the game and giving them buffs like crazy?

Tyrannitar · May 2016

You guys see the patch notes again today?

@Wrobel, you've got like a week to change this or I literally cancel the day DB drops.

Dyride · May 2016

Tyrannitar wrote: »

You guys see the patch notes again today?

@Wrobel, you've got like a week to change this or I literally cancel the day DB drops.

They said previously we wouldn't be seeing class changes this PTS update.

Dyride · May 2016

XaXa wrote: »

Did some PTS dueling last night. I was the only stamina sorc there out of several stam dks, nightblades and a few magicka classes.

I was using 5 Hundings, 3 Night Mother Gaze, 1 Kena. All legendary. Divines on big pieces and impen on small. All stam enchants. 3 agility with 2 regen and 1 weapon damage.

Was using dw axes/bow setup.

Overall, the changes are growing on me. I would be super fast with bows speed boost and hurricane up mostly 24/7.

The fights were fairly even. Managed to beat everyone there at least once.

I really feel for the magicka sorcs tho. Yall got screwed over.

EDIT: my goal with this set up was to find a setup that would allow me to easily bounce between pvp / pve. As such i sit at around 50% crit and get my surge heal practically every second. In PVE my surge was crit healing for around 5.5k.

I would toss down trops, poison inject, use streak as a gap closer, drop rearming trap, and flurry my heart away.

Worked better then i expected.

In theory this sounds ok, I was also excited to try out DW/SnB, DW/Bow or even SnB/Bow setups for something different besides 2H/Bow.

For a duel, those could work using Streak as a gapcloser or Invasion. But I see real problems taking that to open world because of the cost increase on Streak.

XaXa · May 2016

Dyride wrote: »

XaXa wrote: »

Did some PTS dueling last night. I was the only stamina sorc there out of several stam dks, nightblades and a few magicka classes.

I was using 5 Hundings, 3 Night Mother Gaze, 1 Kena. All legendary. Divines on big pieces and impen on small. All stam enchants. 3 agility with 2 regen and 1 weapon damage.

Was using dw axes/bow setup.

Overall, the changes are growing on me. I would be super fast with bows speed boost and hurricane up mostly 24/7.

The fights were fairly even. Managed to beat everyone there at least once.

I really feel for the magicka sorcs tho. Yall got screwed over.

EDIT: my goal with this set up was to find a setup that would allow me to easily bounce between pvp / pve. As such i sit at around 50% crit and get my surge heal practically every second. In PVE my surge was crit healing for around 5.5k.

I would toss down trops, poison inject, use streak as a gap closer, drop rearming trap, and flurry my heart away.

Worked better then i expected.

In theory this sounds ok, I was also excited to try out DW/SnB, DW/Bow or even SnB/Bow setups for something different besides 2H/Bow.

For a duel, those could work using Streak as a gapcloser or Invasion. But I see real problems taking that to open world because of the cost increase on Streak.

Yeah that could be an issue. I mainly do small scale close quarter sewer fights so i didnt really think of that.

It was deffinely a shock to some people though.

Most expected me to sprint into battle but starting off with poison arrow /trops then streaking right up to their face with my axes would cause them to immediatley go "Oh ***" over teamspeak and start backpeddling.

RoyJade · May 2016

The change to guard ability seem to confirm that bound armor and pets would never have a non-toogle version.

I really can't understand ZOS. I'm naturally very optimist, hoping each maj to see my favorite class buffed in it's awful weakness (sustain pve dps for both mag and stam, and identity for stam), and all I see is nerf (and inaccurate nerf, the shield nerf really wrecked all build but the problematic one, and the surge nerf just switch the balance between one hit and dot build, while nerfing seriously the heal on the "better" build), bad design (prosperous and training on awful droprate endgame set, nerf to endgame dungeon difficulty…) and self satisfaction without an ear for the community.
Some of the stamsorc change for the DB maj are good. But why, why everytime you want to help sorc, you destroy them even more at the same time ZOS ?

STEVIL · May 2016

Some of these experiences jibe with my thoughts for opcoming stam sorc khajit.
Bow and DW using the hesling morphs they get for both backed up by surge and high crit values. Throw in briarhart as second set at 5pc and blood magic etc.

Cant wait.

Derra · May 2016

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

NativeJoe wrote: »

Participated in a tournament Today. Dueled over 30 different people and was doing great for a while. Got wiped out by a stamina dk in under 9 seconds with a leap, WB, and Heavy attack weave followed by WB wB WB. Was stunned and was nothing I could do about the burst.

The final rounds of the tournament Had all stamina Dk's and stamina Nightblades. No sorcs made it to the finals. No templars either. No magick Dk's, No magick nightblades.

Just throwing this out there... But THE strongest classes that actually made it to the finals and won... are getting buffed next patch. .....Those that didn't are all getting collectively nerfed in one way or another. (for nightblades I hear it's a passive they're losing, for templars it's the same nuke to dots and channels we got nerfed by, and dks it's something I don't remember.... For sorcs... obviously painted all over this forum...and it's our DPS, defense, identity, utility, niche builds, etc that are being hit with the mighty nerf hammer)

As I've said before...
we're losing just about Everything this coming patch... it's not that the sky is falling. but the ground beneath our feet is. Our class foundation has been destroyed... and what is left?
The best sorcs in the game. like top 200 players!!!! are struggling to complete vma...
Like I don't know how I can possibly explain this more coherently then what I have in previous posts.

I guess here is my TL;DR to the developer or anyone that cares. "Sorcs are not just nerfed to the point of being ineffective, and non-competitive with these changes, they are liability to any core pve, pvp, or trial group."

None of what you said surprises me. The hardest hitting builds on Live are hitting as hard as ever on PTS. Why does ZOS keep acting like Stamblades and Stam DKs are the weakest classes in the game and giving them buffs like crazy?

Because stamina builds have a higher minimum skill requirement to work on eye level with magica ones (short term reactive defense with very few passive selfheals - that gonna change too though). Having a lot of people wanting to play stam builds but finding themselves underperforming this leads to cries about stamblade and DK being weak (stamDK was beast since 1.6 release - we played with one in grp the whole time).
As a result of the majority underperforming when playing those classe/buildss they´re getting buffs even though the top players can level just about every enemy on them.

Dyride · May 2016

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom @Wrobel

Damage wise, I am fine having to use weapon skills with the passive changes you made in DB. I mostly think Stam sorc is still lacking utility from certain skills along with a few long needed bug fixes.

1) Have Defensive Rune not break to DoTs, i.e. Lightning Form/Hurricane our other defensive ability. Add small damage/DoT to Rune Prison so it procs Blood Magic passive after the disorient is broken. This change benefits MagSorc and Stam Sorc.

2) BUG FIX: Remove the half sec root to Bolt escape after teleporting . Also return the ability to Streak/Bolt Escape in the direction the camera is facing rather than the character face. So much of stam sorc's survival is mobility and we used to keep momentum after streaking but that was removed with these changes/bugs/nerfs.

3) BUG FIX: Dark Exchange currently takes ~1.3 secs to give back resources despite 1 sec cast time on the tooltip. Either reduce the cast time to 0.8 secs or make the resources actually return at the 1 sec mark.

4) Bound Armaments not a toggle. Optional activated ability: Summon Spectral weapon (Morkuldin/Aetherian Axe) for 6 secs. Give Aegis an activated ability for tanks.

FENGRUSH · May 2016

XaXa wrote: »

Dyride wrote: »

XaXa wrote: »

Did some PTS dueling last night. I was the only stamina sorc there out of several stam dks, nightblades and a few magicka classes.

I was using 5 Hundings, 3 Night Mother Gaze, 1 Kena. All legendary. Divines on big pieces and impen on small. All stam enchants. 3 agility with 2 regen and 1 weapon damage.

Was using dw axes/bow setup.

Overall, the changes are growing on me. I would be super fast with bows speed boost and hurricane up mostly 24/7.

The fights were fairly even. Managed to beat everyone there at least once.

I really feel for the magicka sorcs tho. Yall got screwed over.

EDIT: my goal with this set up was to find a setup that would allow me to easily bounce between pvp / pve. As such i sit at around 50% crit and get my surge heal practically every second. In PVE my surge was crit healing for around 5.5k.

I would toss down trops, poison inject, use streak as a gap closer, drop rearming trap, and flurry my heart away.

Worked better then i expected.

In theory this sounds ok, I was also excited to try out DW/SnB, DW/Bow or even SnB/Bow setups for something different besides 2H/Bow.

For a duel, those could work using Streak as a gapcloser or Invasion. But I see real problems taking that to open world because of the cost increase on Streak.

It was deffinely a shock to some people though.

Most expected me to sprint into battle but starting off with poison arrow /trops then streaking right up to their face with my axes would cause them to immediatley go "Oh ***" over teamspeak and start backpeddling.

XaXa · May 2016

FENGRUSH wrote: »

XaXa wrote: »

Dyride wrote: »

XaXa wrote: »

Did some PTS dueling last night. I was the only stamina sorc there out of several stam dks, nightblades and a few magicka classes.

I was using 5 Hundings, 3 Night Mother Gaze, 1 Kena. All legendary. Divines on big pieces and impen on small. All stam enchants. 3 agility with 2 regen and 1 weapon damage.

Was using dw axes/bow setup.

Overall, the changes are growing on me. I would be super fast with bows speed boost and hurricane up mostly 24/7.

The fights were fairly even. Managed to beat everyone there at least once.

I really feel for the magicka sorcs tho. Yall got screwed over.

EDIT: my goal with this set up was to find a setup that would allow me to easily bounce between pvp / pve. As such i sit at around 50% crit and get my surge heal practically every second. In PVE my surge was crit healing for around 5.5k.

I would toss down trops, poison inject, use streak as a gap closer, drop rearming trap, and flurry my heart away.

Worked better then i expected.

In theory this sounds ok, I was also excited to try out DW/SnB, DW/Bow or even SnB/Bow setups for something different besides 2H/Bow.

For a duel, those could work using Streak as a gapcloser or Invasion. But I see real problems taking that to open world because of the cost increase on Streak.

It was deffinely a shock to some people though.

Most expected me to sprint into battle but starting off with poison arrow /trops then streaking right up to their face with my axes would cause them to immediatley go "Oh ***" over teamspeak and start backpeddling.

Haha even though this is making fun of my post. I laughed.

Tyrannitar · May 2016

FENGRUSH wrote: »

XaXa wrote: »

Dyride wrote: »

XaXa wrote: »

Did some PTS dueling last night. I was the only stamina sorc there out of several stam dks, nightblades and a few magicka classes.

I was using 5 Hundings, 3 Night Mother Gaze, 1 Kena. All legendary. Divines on big pieces and impen on small. All stam enchants. 3 agility with 2 regen and 1 weapon damage.

Was using dw axes/bow setup.

Overall, the changes are growing on me. I would be super fast with bows speed boost and hurricane up mostly 24/7.

The fights were fairly even. Managed to beat everyone there at least once.

I really feel for the magicka sorcs tho. Yall got screwed over.

EDIT: my goal with this set up was to find a setup that would allow me to easily bounce between pvp / pve. As such i sit at around 50% crit and get my surge heal practically every second. In PVE my surge was crit healing for around 5.5k.

I would toss down trops, poison inject, use streak as a gap closer, drop rearming trap, and flurry my heart away.

Worked better then i expected.

In theory this sounds ok, I was also excited to try out DW/SnB, DW/Bow or even SnB/Bow setups for something different besides 2H/Bow.

For a duel, those could work using Streak as a gapcloser or Invasion. But I see real problems taking that to open world because of the cost increase on Streak.

It was deffinely a shock to some people though.

Most expected me to sprint into battle but starting off with poison arrow /trops then streaking right up to their face with my axes would cause them to immediatley go "Oh ***" over teamspeak and start backpeddling.

Feng. I feel you here. That was almost as ignorant saying that the surge nerfs were because "people could spam overloadlight attacks" to get their health back up in 2 shots....

Honestly, too many plebs are giving @Wrobel advice, and I wouldn't be suprised if this guy wasn't one of them >.>