ZENIMAX handled the issue really well.
rewarding exploiters is not a good thing ZOS.
And how do I know? It is quite obvious if people sell materials 2k lower than usual all of the sudden in all zone chats lol.
The small punishment of a 3 day ban just encourages people to exploit again once another opportunity arises
QuebraRegra wrote: »
...? So you'd login to further dehumanize players for an exploit, that they were already punished for by the company of the given game? Regardless of the punishment distributed, you encourage the type of stuff...?
What's really going on with a lot of people in this thread. It's pretty sick. Yes. Exploiting is wrong. YES! But seriously, some of you really need to take a break. Pause. And look at what you all are typing. You have extremes ranging from completely terminating people's accounts, to reducing them to 100-something champion points, to clearing out their inventory and banks, to now implementing a gallows and throwing fruit at people...? Is this really what what some you all here on the forums are really about...? Is that really what you represent...? The humiliation of players and savage means of "getting even"...?
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sirrmattus wrote: »who cares dude. buy some alloys for cheap. if i was on right now and i had the gold i would buy them all.
starkerealm wrote: »
That was more than likely someone who does not participate in the market so does not know the price. Some people don't have Master Merchant to know what things typically sell for. Same way I bought two Signets of the Warlock VR1 for 50 Gold and a Focus for 100 gold from a guild kiosk back when these were 10K and 5K items.
Anomalies are not Trends
starkerealm wrote: »
That was more than likely someone who does not participate in the market so does not know the price. Some people don't have Master Merchant to know what things typically sell for. Same way I bought two Signets of the Warlock VR1 for 50 Gold and a Focus for 100 gold from a guild kiosk back when these were 10K and 5K items.
Anomalies are not Trends
The exploit isnt really going to change the value of the items just make the people that abused the system rich is all....so remember to jump on the exploit train for the next 1 because the consequences are so soft Baskin Robbins wants to launch Zos flavoured ice cream.
They arnt stripping mats from people cause they honestly can't 100% tell legit ones from exploited ones. Look at all the people they suspended that got it over turned. Those of you who think ZoS tracks 100% of everything we do and everything thing we have really don't understand now incompetent they are at times. There are still innocent people who didn't get there suspensions over turned and there are people who did exploit that weren't caught. ZoS made a real big mess with all this.
They arnt stripping mats from people cause they honestly can't 100% tell legit ones from exploited ones. Look at all the people they suspended that got it over turned. Those of you who think ZoS tracks 100% of everything we do and everything thing we have really don't understand now incompetent they are at times. There are still innocent people who didn't get there suspensions over turned and there are people who did exploit that weren't caught. ZoS made a real big mess with all this.
It shouldnt matter you exploit your account gets stripped...of everything mats gold and gear.
jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Also this has been going on since the bankers launched I watched prices drop drop drop. I wondered why. Now I know.
SuraklinPrime wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Also this has been going on since the bankers launched I watched prices drop drop drop. I wondered why. Now I know.
I'll be interested to see if this is correct, pre-TG I was getting around 40k per stack of the rare top level mats and post-TG that has dropped to nearer 10k... I had assumed it was due to all nodes now being top level rather than only about 1 in 3 since Orsinium dropped... simple supply and demand. Equally Void level stuff had been creeping up as that no longer droped in those areas for maxed out crafters so supplies were drying up for those unwilling to farm lower level zones.
I will be a little peeved if I have been losing out on sales revenue because of an exploit but I guess we'll see if the prices start rising again.
KoshkaMurka wrote: »What bugs me the most is that people are encouraged to use exploits when they can.
72 hours ban is laughable when the exploiters still have millions worth of golden mats.
So what's the moral or the story? That you need to find exploits and keep them secret. Good job, Zos...
SuraklinPrime wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Also this has been going on since the bankers launched I watched prices drop drop drop. I wondered why. Now I know.
I'll be interested to see if this is correct, pre-TG I was getting around 40k per stack of the rare top level mats and post-TG that has dropped to nearer 10k... I had assumed it was due to all nodes now being top level rather than only about 1 in 3 since Orsinium dropped... simple supply and demand. Equally Void level stuff had been creeping up as that no longer droped in those areas for maxed out crafters so supplies were drying up for those unwilling to farm lower level zones.
I will be a little peeved if I have been losing out on sales revenue because of an exploit but I guess we'll see if the prices start rising again.
Maybe this will make you feel better. The most expensive mat pre TG was rubedo leather. It's price has also massively dropped and it was not possible to exploit it via survey. The drop in prices on ore, silk, wood and leather is more do to the TG changes then the exploit.
Now the price drop on Legendary upgrade materials is a different story.
SuraklinPrime wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Also this has been going on since the bankers launched I watched prices drop drop drop. I wondered why. Now I know.
I'll be interested to see if this is correct, pre-TG I was getting around 40k per stack of the rare top level mats and post-TG that has dropped to nearer 10k... I had assumed it was due to all nodes now being top level rather than only about 1 in 3 since Orsinium dropped... simple supply and demand. Equally Void level stuff had been creeping up as that no longer droped in those areas for maxed out crafters so supplies were drying up for those unwilling to farm lower level zones.
I will be a little peeved if I have been losing out on sales revenue because of an exploit but I guess we'll see if the prices start rising again.
Maybe this will make you feel better. The most expensive mat pre TG was rubedo leather. It's price has also massively dropped and it was not possible to exploit it via survey. The drop in prices on ore, silk, wood and leather is more do to the TG changes then the exploit.
Now the price drop on Legendary upgrade materials is a different story.
I agree, TG basically messed up the high end mat prices, prices where dropping before this exploit but at a slow pace, as you say Rubedo leather is still the highest seeing it couldn't be exploited its very telling the amount of other mats that were gotten by exploited means.
SuraklinPrime wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Also this has been going on since the bankers launched I watched prices drop drop drop. I wondered why. Now I know.
I'll be interested to see if this is correct, pre-TG I was getting around 40k per stack of the rare top level mats and post-TG that has dropped to nearer 10k... I had assumed it was due to all nodes now being top level rather than only about 1 in 3 since Orsinium dropped... simple supply and demand. Equally Void level stuff had been creeping up as that no longer droped in those areas for maxed out crafters so supplies were drying up for those unwilling to farm lower level zones.
I will be a little peeved if I have been losing out on sales revenue because of an exploit but I guess we'll see if the prices start rising again.
Maybe this will make you feel better. The most expensive mat pre TG was rubedo leather. It's price has also massively dropped and it was not possible to exploit it via survey. The drop in prices on ore, silk, wood and leather is more do to the TG changes then the exploit.
Now the price drop on Legendary upgrade materials is a different story.
I agree, TG basically messed up the high end mat prices, prices where dropping before this exploit but at a slow pace, as you say Rubedo leather is still the highest seeing it couldn't be exploited its very telling the amount of other mats that were gotten by exploited means.
I have just over 5,000 rubedo leather.it's crazy how easy it is to get now. My price to move it with out delay is 5K a stack. My other farming friends are selling it at that price as well. Sadly per TG we were getting 60K for each stack. Price has dropped sooooooo much. =(
They arnt stripping mats from people cause they honestly can't 100% tell legit ones from exploited ones. Look at all the people they suspended that got it over turned. Those of you who think ZoS tracks 100% of everything we do and everything thing we have really don't understand now incompetent they are at times. There are still innocent people who didn't get there suspensions over turned and there are people who did exploit that weren't caught. ZoS made a real big mess with all this.
It shouldnt matter you exploit your account gets stripped...of everything mats gold and gear.
Sorry you don't seem to understand, ZoS could not with a 100% guarantee say who exploited, hence all the overturns they did on the original suspensions given out. Unlike what people want to believe they can in no way tie the materials harvested to survey IDs. This incident is not so clear cut and dry as many of people like to believe.
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long and incoherent rant...
1. Nobody forces you to click on these threads. If you're tired of them, ignore them.
2. Part of the reason there is hostility is that exploiting culture is so rampant in ESO. I don't care about people having more gold or mats than me, what I do care is about fairness. When a multiplayer game, especially one with competitive aspects to it, stops feeling fair, people will rant. If it gets bad enough, people will leave. I know this first-hand, as I've quit PvP over the cheating there.
SuraklinPrime wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Also this has been going on since the bankers launched I watched prices drop drop drop. I wondered why. Now I know.
I'll be interested to see if this is correct, pre-TG I was getting around 40k per stack of the rare top level mats and post-TG that has dropped to nearer 10k... I had assumed it was due to all nodes now being top level rather than only about 1 in 3 since Orsinium dropped... simple supply and demand. Equally Void level stuff had been creeping up as that no longer droped in those areas for maxed out crafters so supplies were drying up for those unwilling to farm lower level zones.
I will be a little peeved if I have been losing out on sales revenue because of an exploit but I guess we'll see if the prices start rising again.
Maybe this will make you feel better. The most expensive mat pre TG was rubedo leather. It's price has also massively dropped and it was not possible to exploit it via survey. The drop in prices on ore, silk, wood and leather is more do to the TG changes then the exploit.
Now the price drop on Legendary upgrade materials is a different story.