Exploiters selling their cheap mats and getting rich

Reevster

daemonios wrote: »

I would demote exploiters to 160CP. Now THAT would be punishment. Keep the gold, and happy farming back to 501

Lol that would cruel but effective...

arena25

Ok, can someone enlighten me as to what in the heck happened?

Ch4mpTW

MrTarkanian48 wrote: »

Buffler wrote: »

Some of you claiming its good that the market is flooded and prices have dropped have no idea whats going to happen in the next few weeks, so let me enlighten you.

The market gets flooded by exploiters with cheap gold mats. Other legit sellers are forced to lower their price....as soon as the price has bottomed out, the exploiters then purchase ALL gold mats that come on the market at rock bottom prices.....this is the "cornering of the market" then guess what they do.......they begin listing their gold mats they bought cheap.....at 200/300/400% mark up as they have the majority of supply. Unless someone can bust that manipulation then there is trouble ahead.

This is just the beginning. Its really part of a bigger conspiracy.

Once they corner the market they will use in-game gold to buy your social security information and start withdrawing money from your real-life bank account and 401k.

Lmao.

rfennell_ESO

I figure as long as a permanent mark is on the account... the 3 day ban is not only warranted... it's also what ZOS has done in the past regarding exploits.


There are some that have quit after this 3 day ban. Note that by quit I don't actually mean quit.

DRXHarbinger

Alcast wrote: »

ZENIMAX handled the issue really well.
rewarding exploiters is not a good thing ZOS.
And how do I know? It is quite obvious if people sell materials 2k lower than usual all of the sudden in all zone chats lol.

The small punishment of a 3 day ban just encourages people to exploit again once another opportunity arises

Let them get rich, the poor can afford more cheap items to better thier game to improve thier game, to be able to obtain more items to sell and make gold and continue the cycle on. Without cheap items now and then prices get out if hand, look at perfect roe it's stupidly expensive. I don't condone glitching at all but all these people with millions of gold are going to...well spend it and line everyone else's pockets... the rich are needed as much as the poor.

Egonieser

Buffler wrote: »

Some of you claiming its good that the market is flooded and prices have dropped have no idea whats going to happen in the next few weeks, so let me enlighten you.

The market gets flooded by exploiters with cheap gold mats. Other legit sellers are forced to lower their price....as soon as the price has bottomed out, the exploiters then purchase ALL gold mats that come on the market at rock bottom prices.....this is the "cornering of the market" then guess what they do.......they begin listing their gold mats they bought cheap.....at 200/300/400% mark up as they have the majority of supply. Unless someone can bust that manipulation then there is trouble ahead.

Yeah and... No..
That's how it would work in a game with auction house.
Tell me... How many exploits (crafting related) has this game had? Everyone cried doom and gloom exactly as you did.
Did the prices skyrocketed or dropped to bottom or markets were cornered? No. The exploiters did not have a infinite amount of time to keep doing it, it was stopped fairly fast. They might sell their initial stock and it will normalize just like it always has. Now if the exploit was kept silent and going on for weeks and months, then and only then there might be a cause for concern.

This ain't the first time such exploits occurred, and believe it or not, it barely ever had a major long term impact of any kind. I can't see any even now. On PC EU mats all cost more or less the same anywhere I look. So... Nothing to see here folks, move along.

Dromede

LordSock wrote: »

Conspiracy theory says that they actually wanted this to get out of hand so more people would know about it and purchase the banker from Crown Store w/ real money. Then they shut it down.

Good money grab Zenimax.

@_@ you got me at conspiracy Love this kind of stuff, especially when it makes perfect sense.

OrangeTheCat

sirrmattus wrote: »

jeez guys. you act like this has ruined ur life

Seriously.

I have not even logged on while all of this has been happening so as to take advantage of the cheap prices. That's what real life will do to you.

treborrealb14_ESO

Averya_Teira wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

ZENIMAX handled the issue really well.
rewarding exploiters is not a good thing ZOS.
And how do I know? It is quite obvious if people sell materials 2k lower than usual all of the sudden in all zone chats lol.

The small punishment of a 3 day ban just encourages people to exploit again once another opportunity arises

Well, selling mats cheaper is good for me,when I neex to buy stuff... Lol...

I agree the 3 day ban without removing the mats from their account is a stupid move.

Thats a royal f##k up TBH and Zos should be ashamed that they failed in that matter

LadyNalcarya

What bugs me the most is that people are encouraged to use exploits when they can.
72 hours ban is laughable when the exploiters still have millions worth of golden mats.
So what's the moral or the story? That you need to find exploits and keep them secret. Good job, Zos...

Valrien

Egonieser wrote: »

Buffler wrote: »

Some of you claiming its good that the market is flooded and prices have dropped have no idea whats going to happen in the next few weeks, so let me enlighten you.

The market gets flooded by exploiters with cheap gold mats. Other legit sellers are forced to lower their price....as soon as the price has bottomed out, the exploiters then purchase ALL gold mats that come on the market at rock bottom prices.....this is the "cornering of the market" then guess what they do.......they begin listing their gold mats they bought cheap.....at 200/300/400% mark up as they have the majority of supply. Unless someone can bust that manipulation then there is trouble ahead.

Yeah and... No..
That's how it would work in a game with auction house.
Tell me... How many exploits (crafting related) has this game had? Everyone cried doom and gloom exactly as you did.
Did the prices skyrocketed or dropped to bottom or markets were cornered? No. The exploiters did not have a infinite amount of time to keep doing it, it was stopped fairly fast. They might sell their initial stock and it will normalize just like it always has. Now if the exploit was kept silent and going on for weeks and months, then and only then there might be a cause for concern.

This ain't the first time such exploits occurred, and believe it or not, it barely ever had a major long term impact of any kind. I can't see any even now. On PC EU mats all cost more or less the same anywhere I look. So... Nothing to see here folks, move along.

Actually, this was happening when the banker first came out, and it was possible before that as well if you were patient enough to run to a bank without wayshrining.

Roymachine

Buffler wrote: »

Some of you claiming its good that the market is flooded and prices have dropped have no idea whats going to happen in the next few weeks, so let me enlighten you.

The market gets flooded by exploiters with cheap gold mats. Other legit sellers are forced to lower their price....as soon as the price has bottomed out, the exploiters then purchase ALL gold mats that come on the market at rock bottom prices.....this is the "cornering of the market" then guess what they do.......they begin listing their gold mats they bought cheap.....at 200/300/400% mark up as they have the majority of supply. Unless someone can bust that manipulation then there is trouble ahead.

Exploiters got a few million gold off what they did. I know of people with exponentially more gold than what they gained from this. If something like this were to happen in ESO then it could have happened a long time ago. No need to preach Doomsday in an mmo market.

Averya_Teira

MrTarkanian48 wrote: »

Buffler wrote: »

Some of you claiming its good that the market is flooded and prices have dropped have no idea whats going to happen in the next few weeks, so let me enlighten you.

The market gets flooded by exploiters with cheap gold mats. Other legit sellers are forced to lower their price....as soon as the price has bottomed out, the exploiters then purchase ALL gold mats that come on the market at rock bottom prices.....this is the "cornering of the market" then guess what they do.......they begin listing their gold mats they bought cheap.....at 200/300/400% mark up as they have the majority of supply. Unless someone can bust that manipulation then there is trouble ahead.

This is just the beginning. Its really part of a bigger conspiracy.

Once they corner the market they will use in-game gold to buy your social security information and start withdrawing money from your real-life bank account and 401k.

Ah joke's on them ! They'll withdraw debts ! .... Sad face....

Hazethemadman

Well I, for one, think that the small punishment is a good thing and that there have definitely been worse exploits.

If alot of people start abusing a glitch then they will be able to track is down quicker & easier. The small punishment encourages this.

Let's be honest, it would take hundreds of people reporting the same glitch under the same circumstances in order to pique the interest of the devs at ZoS.

What's better? Fixing the exploit or punishing people for trying it? Fun part, none of us are devs at ZoS so we have no idea about the who, what, when, where, or why.

QuebraRegra

was this like the pig farmers in DC that went unchecked for a year? Is that still a thing actually?

BlackEar

Just implement gallows and put all the cheaters there. Then people recognize the names even give us the option to throw rotten fruit!

Kalebron

Personally I think everyone in eso would "exploit" a node if it were to continually reappear each harvest if that opportunity would arise. I don't blame these guys for taking advantage of the situation. It is not like they made it happen using some type of hack. I am playing devil's advocate here because this really is not as big a deal as it is made out to be. Zos can only police the game so much.

QuebraRegra

BlackEar wrote: »

Just implement gallows and put all the cheaters there. Then people recognize the names even give us the option to throw rotten fruit!

I'd login for that!

Ch4mpTW

QuebraRegra wrote: »

BlackEar wrote: »

Just implement gallows and put all the cheaters there. Then people recognize the names even give us the option to throw rotten fruit!

I'd login for that!

...? So you'd login to further dehumanize players for an exploit, that they were already punished for by the company of the given game? Regardless of the punishment distributed, you encourage the type of stuff...?

What's really going on with a lot of people in this thread. It's pretty sick. Yes. Exploiting is wrong. YES! But seriously, some of you really need to take a break. Pause. And look at what you all are typing. You have extremes ranging from completely terminating people's accounts, to reducing them to 100-something champion points, to clearing out their inventory and banks, to now implementing a gallows and throwing fruit at people...? Is this really what what some you all here on the forums are really about...? Is that really what you represent...? The humiliation of players and savage means of "getting even"...?

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

Kalebron wrote: »

Personally I think everyone in eso would "exploit" a node if it were to continually reappear each harvest if that opportunity would arise. I don't blame these guys for taking advantage of the situation. It is not like they made it happen using some type of hack. I am playing devil's advocate here because this really is not as big a deal as it is made out to be. Zos can only police the game so much.

They kinda did make it happen by using the same survey over and over. Dont act like this is something you could do just walking along minding your own business.

Arthg

So no fair punishment was meted out then - nothing but deleting threads dealing with the injustice of letting exploiters walk away scot-free.

Duly noted.

PS4_ZeColmeia

I'm pissed. I purposely don't do exploits because I have 1 character that is almost done with everything in game. I have a huge time investment and would hate to lose it all. This response makes me feel stupid for not exploiting and gives me serious pause about my ESO membership.

I've been in enough MMOs to know that not handling exploiters properly kills the longevity of a game and I seriously wonder about this game now.

Quietestkept

There needs to be compensation for all the players who didn't cheat!! Why should we be left out and the cheaters be rewarded with keeping all their materials being able to make millions o gold. Having gold makes a huge difference in the game

SirAndy

lathbury wrote: »

ComboBreaker88 wrote: »

All you had to do was discover it then run to a bank before you harvested any nodes, run back, harvest, go to bank grab survey and repeat.

which was slower than farming nodes manually

Except in Auridon where the survey nodes are within spitting distance of the bank ...

Ch4mpTW

arth-grogalith wrote: »

So no fair punishment was meted out then - nothing but deleting threads dealing with the injustice of letting exploiters walk away scot-free.

Duly noted.

Have you ever thought that maybe threads about disciplinary actions taken by Zenimax are against the code of conduct for the forums...? Just wondering, have you ever considered that?

Quietestkept

For the record....everyone I knew who came back yesterday after their suspension still had all the materials they gained from the exploit. They lost nothing

starkerealm

GaldorP wrote: »

Tempering Alloy:

...man, that Temper that sold for 45g.

Ch4mpTW

Inb4 this thread gets closed for discussing the disciplinary actions taken by ZOS toward other players, and posts start getting deleted.

Kalante

Honestly idk what is the big deal about them making money in a lol video game unless they are selling that gold for real money transfer. The real issue is that the devs are going to up the RNG in order to compensate completely hindering everybody else who did not cheat. We are not getting compensated AND we are getting punished. The people who cheated only get a slap in the wrist with a weak three day ban and get to keep the mats. People who did not cheat are being punished long term with a lower drop rate. If this was CCP from eve online, those poeple who cheated would of had gotten those assets removed, a one month ban along with a strike on their account, three strikes and you were out. They dont ** around with their economy.

Nestor

starkerealm wrote: »

GaldorP wrote: »

Tempering Alloy:

...man, that Temper that sold for 45g.

That was more than likely someone who does not participate in the market so does not know the price. Some people don't have Master Merchant to know what things typically sell for. Same way I bought two Signets of the Warlock VR1 for 50 Gold and a Focus for 100 gold from a guild kiosk back when these were 10K and 5K items.

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