I'm concerned about the duration change to annulment, I will test it out, but this was a base ability of my Maelstrom builds as well as my Imperial City Builds (though that will matter less, since I no longer plan to go there now that district capturing is a thing) and with how much is going on in places like the Arena, constantly swapping back to recast it is going to get tiresome very quickly, and unpredictable in the case of lag.

I really strongly feel that 10s was a sufficient reduction rather than to 6s.

I really, really, REALLY dislike the stage requirements for the Vampire passives.

Like, really.

I get it. You want us to feed. But was making it so that not a single stage has all passives functioning necessary? I mean, make the effects of the passives different for each stage if you must, but don't make them stop working completely

Edit: My bad, stage 4 has all passives, only the other stages that don't.

preliminary thoughts, ggreat job on balancing vamp via the fighters guild changes. thank you. viable again!!!!

MrTarkanian48 wrote: »

If you stay in Stage 4 you will have all passives.

Stage 4= All
Stage 3= All except Dark Stalker
Stage 2= All except Dark Stalker and Undeath
Stage 1= No Dark Stalker, No Undeath, No Supernatural Recovery

Oh, I see. My bad >.<

I misinterpreted that. For some reason I read "or higher" as "or earlier stages".

Guess it is forever on stage 4 then, like I am now.

MrTarkanian48 wrote: »

If you stay in Stage 4 you will have all passives.

Stage 4= All
Stage 3= All except Dark Stalker
Stage 2= All except Dark Stalker and Undeath
Stage 1= No Dark Stalker, No Undeath, No Supernatural Recovery

I'm very interested in hearing the motivation behind this change. Already there's little reason to be anything but Stage 4, so the fix is for there to be...even less of a reason to be anything but Stage 4? If the goal is to encourage people to use the vampire feeding mechanics, this seems backwards. So what is the goal?

That said, I like the increased time per stage. The 30 minute timer was always silly. Unfortunately, it looks like there's no reason to take advantage of that.

I am not sure about the other charge skills but invasion still seems to be bugged.

Please consider making the Dark Stalker passive apply through vampirism stages 2-4 instead of only stage 4.

code65536 wrote: »

The changes to Dawnbreaker are very disappointing.

As it currently stands the "Smiting" morph is the de-facto magicka morph, since the slot bonus from the "Flawless" morph is just too lucrative for stamina users to ignore.

Why not keep the damage as magicka for Smiting, and make it physical damage from unmorphed and for Flawless?

In your attempt to rebalance Dawnbreaker for stamina users, you swung the pendulum too far in the opposite direction, and make this skill more or less useless for magicka users.

Furthermore, the removal of the bonus damage against Daedra and Undead is anti-lore (the Fighter's Guild is about fighting the Daedra and Undead) and makes this skill much less useful (for example, Dawnbreaker is the go-to ability in a dungeon like vICP, and now, there's absolutely no reason for a magicka user to use it instead of Meteor).

Fighters guild skills are for stamina builds. There'll be a magic damage version of Dawnbreaker when there is a physical damage version of Meteor (i.e. never again).

This first round of patch notes already has me hopeful for the may 31st release. It feels like there has finally been enough variety added to support my play style without me getting bored. I only messed around with a few systems today but AWIaw will give more concentrated feedback later. As a first impression:

Heavy Armor:

- I like everything about it. It opens a way to specialize into heavy attack builds, it gives more resources + health + healing, and it even supplies some of the damage loss in a way that fits heavy armor.

Dual Wielding:

- Flurry is fantastic. I will never bad mouth it again. It is fast, to the point, and effective. The heal is great and pairs nicely with twin blades. Being able to hold down the heavy attack while doing the flurry and having the animation system go straight into a full charged heavy attack is unbelievable. The old animation had you miss out on around 60% of the total flurry damage by weaving heavy attacks in. Now flurry may be the most reliable skill to cancel in the game and it looks great doing it.

- Deadly cloak is awesome now. Flat damage buffs are usually boring but that is what this skill needed.

-Shrouded blade does much better damage now but it still feels out of place. This skill just doesn't mesh with me especially in a place where whirling blades exist. I'm sure people who like hidden blade appreciate it though.

Two Handed:

-I think that increasing Two handed's AOE capabilities is fair. To much homogenization may lead to the weapon lines blending together though. As long as the weapons deal damage in their own way there should be enough distinction to keep them fun.

- Uppercut/Wreckin Blow/ Dizzying Strike was a step in the right direction. Having the highest non ultimate physical scaling and base damage, while also having one of the highest non ultimate CC durations rolled into one skill was absurd. Even more so when it had all this and a 20% buff just for using it. Splitting the CC from the absurd damage at least implements a trade off.

Fighter's Guild:

-Wow what impact a few changes make for this line. Fighter skills were so bad I wrote most of them off entirely. Now I am having a hard time picking which ones I want. They all turned out for the better. Silver leash is especially nice if not a little slow on the pull activation.

Shielding:

- I like the direction of shielding. With the duration changes it should no longer feel like a better form of healing. Bone shield should be very nice for stamina in PvE, while only providing a 5-6k range shield in PvP. Magicka still seems to have the upper hand with shielding overall, but this should be neat to see how successful stamina is with the mechanic.

I look forward to the next few waves of iterations and the potential release of weapon ultimates!

Shadesofkin wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

Why Guard completely cut your stamina regen?

This is an excellent question, this isn't the same as blocking, or sprinting, or crouching. This is an active ability that will no longer be usable in this state. It really feels like overkill. Isn't there some sort of maim you can do to the character to reduce their regen rather than completely shut it off?

I don't know what it is, but apparently tanking = no stamina regen, since apparently being a damage sponge means you shouldn't have any stamina to fight or defend yourself with.

I tried a few things on pts.

2H seems good with reverse slice, I feel it will do its job well and maybe the skill line will evolve past Rally+WB spam.

WW - I don't like the dire wolves. I need blood rage to keep my timer up (since you insist on ww being a short duration "dps buff ultimate") and they draw agro. And best of all after a fight where blood rage doesn't trigger they cover corpses so I can't feed when I need to.

Heavy Armor - The regen is, ok, I guess. Will need to get used to the increased cost before I can say i'm thrilled. But why does the whole stack of "Wrath." The game encourages active player actions, and just like werewolves being encouraged to jump in the red to trigger blood rage (encouraging bad gameplay) now heavy armor users will in order to keep the bonus up. Why can't it degrade 1 stack at a time so you can at least try to play smart sometimes?

As a stamina sorcerer main I still feel like we're ignored. Will pets ever scale off of something other than only max magicka? Will we be better able to use some of our passives (that already scale off of max health)? Or will we wait another year for a "we knew going into this we wouldn't have time for everything" and be left waiting some more?

EDIT: As for guard, does it still really need a full stamina cut? I don't want to even touch this skill as long as it is that punishing to use, why can't it just apply a debuff cutting some regen.

Attribute points not showing correct amount for characters between vet1-15 assuming 160+ cp points

example vet 7 character (471 CP) is showing 55 attribute points with no way to increase them. Right now I have to go to a shrine, pay 3200 gold to set attributes back to 0 then I get the full 64 attribute points to spend.

Hoping this either gets corrected or attributes get a free reset to 0 on release day

code65536 wrote: »

Furthermore, the removal of the bonus damage against Daedra and Undead is anti-lore (the Fighter's Guild is about fighting the Daedra and Undead) and makes this skill much less useful (for example, Dawnbreaker is the go-to ability in a dungeon like vICP, and now, there's absolutely no reason for a magicka user to use it instead of Meteor).

Skilled Tracker: Redesigned this passive ability so it now increases all damage dealt with Fighters Guild abilities by 20% against Undead, Daedra, and Werewolves. Fighters Guild abilities no longer innately have a bonus to Undead, Daedra, and Werewolves without this passive ability.

Just wanted to Clarify that you missed that tidbit of information.. I.e meaning if your a Vampire your still gunna get hit.... Hard

@ZOS_GinaBruno
You guys talked about making Fighters guild more stamina friendly based but then you get rid of important things that were used in PvE as well as PvP. I'm updating this as I see fit.

Dawnbreaker no longer doing bonus damage is one of them. This should always do bonus damage to vampires,werewolves,daedra,and undead. There should be a penalty for playing a race that gives a lot of escape and damage abilities.

Dawnbreaker of Smiting needs to be a scaled ultimate (damage is scaled off of highest resource) and should always have that extra damage bonus like I stated before.

Evil hunter and morphs no longer provide bonus damage to vampires,daedra,werewolves,and undead. This ability was helpful for PvE in maelstrom. Evil hunter is also completely useless, no one really uses more than 1 skill from the fighters guild as they have better skills to use so that 20% reduction in fighters guild abilities is just useless; we need the old evil hunter to stick please.

Camouflaged hunter needs to provide that minor berserk buff while dealing critical damage + have a chance to deal bonus damage again.

Ring of Preservation needs to have a affect that resonates with it's name so how about instead of using a useless thing like reduce dodge roll cost, instead it can be to reduce stamina cost of all abilities while in the ring by 20%. This would make the ability very useful.

Turn Undead needs to weaken damage dealt by undead while in the ring by 20% and also increase damage to the undead while in it by 20%. This would make this ability used more frequently and just like preservation it would be like you're protecting the house!

Silver Leash needs to have it's y and x axis fixed because I'm either too high or too low when I cast this ability on someone who's on slightly lower terrain or higher terrain. This morph and it's other morphs needs to provide the knock down still because there needs to be a penalty for those who play those creature races.

Wrecking Blow You can remove the empower from it but do not and I mean do not remove the knock back. Give empower to Dizzing blow or w/e it's called as most players (based on PvP death recaps lol and asking) use Wrecking blow instead of it's other morph mainly for the knock back it provides.

Ambush Remove Empower since you're removing it from Wrecking blow (which is fair imo as I don't use empower in WB I use WB for it's knock back).

Scorched Earth Needs to remain a skill. The new changes which is pretty much increasing duration is completely useless as you can look at arrow barrage which obviously shows how much more useful it is. I suggest removing endless hail and making it 'Venomous Rain' where it lights the ground with poisonous AoE + deals poison damage DoT while being hit by it.

Draining Shot The heal is pretty lack luster if the enemy breaks away immediately but it is fine; the only problem I have is the range is so low for a bow and arrow skill that it's laugh-able. I suggest increasing the range by 10-12 meters. Clarification the skill needs to have at-least 18-22 meters distance as it's a bow skill but it's range is way to short and this would make it viable.


Bracing Passive needs to be returned unless you want to bring back stamina regeneration whilist blocking. I tank frequently and tanks do not need another nerf when they're trying so hard to sustain currently. Remember this game is supposedly built on team play, eliminating another role isn't making it more team friendly then it already isn't.

Sprint with Regeneration needs to come back as increasing the cost of that + dodge roll again is making it more difficult for not only stamina but magicka users. I saw no problem with sprinting while regenerating stamina in the first place honestly.