Me too, Ive chose DCLs instead of sub, hopefully they start to sell the bags via Crown Store, not to mention I thnk if you're unlocked all DLCs you should have the sub benefits.

Sausage wrote: »

Me too, Ive chose DCLs instead of sub, hopefully they start to sell the bags via Crown Store, not to mention I thnk if you're unlocked all DLCs you should have the sub benefits.

Now that is an interesting thought @Sausage... all benefits BUT the 1500 crowns per month, I assume.

Volkodav wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

Me too, Ive chose DCLs instead of sub, hopefully they start to sell the bags via Crown Store, not to mention I thnk if you're unlocked all DLCs you should have the sub benefits.

No,..you should only have "sub" benefits if you "sub".Which is why they are "sub" benefits.

If phrasing is the hurdle to this, they could change the benefits to "Loyalty" benefits and there are 2 ways to be a "loyal customer'

• Subscribe to ESO+
• Own all previous DLCs

Volkodav wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

Me too, Ive chose DCLs instead of sub, hopefully they start to sell the bags via Crown Store, not to mention I thnk if you're unlocked all DLCs you should have the sub benefits.

No,..you should only have "sub" benefits if you "sub".Which is why they are "sub" benefits.

You also already get benefits from buying the DLCs. You get pets for owning Orsinium and Thieves Guild. And ZOS has stated you will get another special shiny when you buy Dark Brotherhood, i think they said it will be a mount.

Wanderinlost wrote: »

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I was actually impressed with the ESO+ before this, mainly because of the generous crown stipend, I saw value in making a subscription if I expected to be playing a significant amount of time. However it was optional and I knew I would not feel like it was something I needed to pay to enjoy the game. Now they are putting a great feature they have been promising for years behind it.

They've been promising an infinite crafting bag to players for years? Really? Because I've been around for years and I've never seen it. I've seen A LOT of threads asking for it. But I've never seen a single post, thread or notice from Zenimax saying: "We have a great new feature called a crafting bag and we're going to make it available soon."

In fact: the very first mention I heard of a crafting bag came from Gina Bruno during an episode of ESO Live in which she specifically stated the bag would only be available to ESO subbers. That's the first I heard of a definite announcement of a crafting bag.

Gidorick wrote: »

... Now, I completely agree that ESO+ needs better sub benefits... In fact back in February 2015 I made this thread: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/150450/eso-subscription-benefits-suggestions/p1

In that thread I suggest many ESO+ benefits they could add.

Gidorick wrote: »

ESO PLUS SUGGESTED LIST OF BENNEFITS

So... benefits COULD be added that give players perks and bonuses but don't make it so that an integral part of the game that is flawed can ONLY be fixed through a subscription.

Currently, as I've said several times before, the subscription really isn't a particularly useful service. The benefits, even the monthly crowns, have questionable value. I finally used all my mine to buy all the DLC so I could safely cancel my sub if I wanted to.

For many people, the sub has been a way to show support for ESO. We knew we weren't getting much but that's fine because we liked the game. Truly, this is a comment I hear in my two major guild chats again and again.

If Zenimax wants the subs to be anything more than a show of fan support, then they're going to have to put something in there that people want. Of the things you've listed, the only wants that seem attractive to me are the loyalty reward for DLC (which I think is a really nice idea and one that would have netted Zenimax a lot more subs), and the character slots. But with the latter, you're going to get the same screams of outrage because sub members get them for a monthly sub.

The crown store discounts and extra time? Meh. I see it, I buy it. I don't need days to think about it.

But you know what's really missing from your list is a free house (and I know, we don't have player housing and so it's not there). But if player housing was a thing in the game, and Zenimax really wanted to score on the subs, then they could offer free land (a no rent option if you subbed) or even a free house with upgrade kits included. Not the best house, but a nice starter house. Of course, additional houses would be sold in the Crown Store, too - but the subbers house would be unique.

Player housing, like character slots, will score some real money for Zenimax.

Seriously though. If you want the bags then subscribe. If you don't want to sub for them then you don't get the bags. It is how it is. [snip]
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Volkodav wrote: »

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DDemon wrote: »

Why not have the craft bag in a rental form? Non ESO+ members pay a moderate weekly/monthly fee in order to use the crafting bag and ESO+ members don't have to.

I am currently running ESO+ but I buy all my DLC's as I don't need the little extra ESO+ offers, so I sometimes let it lapse, hence the bought DLC's, so I can still play all the content. This crafting bag is something I always wanted to see added, but if it's limited to ESO+ I won't have access to it whenever I want.

I think the rent for a crafting bag would be a good compromise, and for me would mean I could bridge those moments where I don't run ESO+.

They are kind of doing that @DDemon ... once you un-sub, you can withdraw items from the "infinite bag" but can't deposit items into that bag. Someone who has stacks and stacks of materials could, in theory, subscribe... dump all their mats into the new bag, then unsub for however long, and they would be able to still withdraw items as they needed.

And then,they could resub,fill the bags up again and unsub after that. They could do that infinitely.

Exactly @Volkodav...

But,I meant that not in a good way. It's a fairly warped way to use the game,..isnt it?

I don't mean it in a good way either @Volkodav . Just like how I've pointed out a player could subscribe for one month, play through the DLC and unsub and then they only pay $15 per DLC. PLUS they get 1500 crowns. So they essentially get the DLC for free.

I'm more pointing out a flaw in their design and a possible exploitative way to 'game' the game. I honestly don't understand so many of the decisions they make with ESO... in almost every aspect of the game.

I guess that's not why I'm not a "professional" game designer.

Volkodav wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

DDemon wrote: »

Why not have the craft bag in a rental form? Non ESO+ members pay a moderate weekly/monthly fee in order to use the crafting bag and ESO+ members don't have to.

I am currently running ESO+ but I buy all my DLC's as I don't need the little extra ESO+ offers, so I sometimes let it lapse, hence the bought DLC's, so I can still play all the content. This crafting bag is something I always wanted to see added, but if it's limited to ESO+ I won't have access to it whenever I want.

I think the rent for a crafting bag would be a good compromise, and for me would mean I could bridge those moments where I don't run ESO+.

They are kind of doing that @DDemon ... once you un-sub, you can withdraw items from the "infinite bag" but can't deposit items into that bag. Someone who has stacks and stacks of materials could, in theory, subscribe... dump all their mats into the new bag, then unsub for however long, and they would be able to still withdraw items as they needed.

And then,they could resub,fill the bags up again and unsub after that. They could do that infinitely.

Exactly @Volkodav...

But,I meant that not in a good way. It's a fairly warped way to use the game,..isnt it?

I don't mean it in a good way either @Volkodav . Just like how I've pointed out a player could subscribe for one month, play through the DLC and unsub and then they only pay $15 per DLC. PLUS they get 1500 crowns. So they essentially get the DLC for free.

I'm more pointing out a flaw in their design and a possible exploitative way to 'game' the game. I honestly don't understand so many of the decisions they make with ESO... in almost every aspect of the game.

I guess that's not why I'm not a "professional" game designer.

I wouldnt want to be a designer either. Making mods for Morrowind is about all I would even think of.No one countering my ideas.
As to ESO,I I wish it was one way or the other.Having it both is really getting unethical amongst the players. They begin to resent eachother over so many issues. PvPers resent PvErs,non-subbers resent subbers,and visa versa.It's sad,dont you think.

Yea, it is @Volkodav ... I find myself continually lamenting the B2P transition . But that is for another thread, I think.

Gidorick wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

DDemon wrote: »

Why not have the craft bag in a rental form? Non ESO+ members pay a moderate weekly/monthly fee in order to use the crafting bag and ESO+ members don't have to.

I am currently running ESO+ but I buy all my DLC's as I don't need the little extra ESO+ offers, so I sometimes let it lapse, hence the bought DLC's, so I can still play all the content. This crafting bag is something I always wanted to see added, but if it's limited to ESO+ I won't have access to it whenever I want.

I think the rent for a crafting bag would be a good compromise, and for me would mean I could bridge those moments where I don't run ESO+.

They are kind of doing that @DDemon ... once you un-sub, you can withdraw items from the "infinite bag" but can't deposit items into that bag. Someone who has stacks and stacks of materials could, in theory, subscribe... dump all their mats into the new bag, then unsub for however long, and they would be able to still withdraw items as they needed.

And then,they could resub,fill the bags up again and unsub after that. They could do that infinitely.

Exactly @Volkodav...

But,I meant that not in a good way. It's a fairly warped way to use the game,..isnt it?

I don't mean it in a good way either @Volkodav . Just like how I've pointed out a player could subscribe for one month, play through the DLC and unsub and then they only pay $15 per DLC. PLUS they get 1500 crowns. So they essentially get the DLC for free.

I'm more pointing out a flaw in their design and a possible exploitative way to 'game' the game. I honestly don't understand so many of the decisions they make with ESO... in almost every aspect of the game.

I guess that's not why I'm not a "professional" game designer.

I think it always comes back to WoW. If you do not have a large sub base you have failed in the eyes of your stockholders and corporate masters. I think they could actually get good sub numbers by simply continuing what they are doing as well as adding more bonuses as you suggested, but I doubt you can turn back time to make it work by using a restrictive strategy to get people into a long term sub. How will this kind of restrictive incentivization be any more successful than the original subscription? You talk about exploiting the system and after this afternoon of giving it some thought I almost feel it is the only logical choice now. Why ever buy DLC or a single crown pack over simply subbing one or two months a year to check out the new DLC then go dormant for another year? It will be 1/4 of what I would otherwise pay for DLC, and I would not become invested enough to buy anything else ever. No cosmetics, no utility, nothing. Instead of $100-$200 per year it is going to be more like $15-$30 and at the same time get the one feature I actually care about. The irony is by doing this they are turning at least one loyal customer into a hostile one. I cannot speak for others but I doubt I am alone on this.

I don't sub but have probably supported the game more in DLC and crown purchases alone than a lot of subs ever have or will, it's been my personal choice and yes I do think subs should get something for subbing but honestly I think it should be something better than crafting bags, it's a sad state of affairs when all you guys have to really defend your subscription decision is crafting bags.

Inventory management is a major pain in this game and has been so since the beginning, convenient inventory management shouldn't be something you have to pay a monthly surcharge for.
While I agree with the OP in regards to it leaving the player in a distasteful position it's something which is becoming the norm for zos, they'll continue alienating more and more customers until they're eventually viewed as EA & Ubisoft by the majority and not the minority, I've already heard the term "Ubizos" on more than one occassion so people are already becoming aware to the fact they should be guarded if choosing to invest anything in them. It was bound to happen sooner or later.

I always enjoyed crafting and was working towards becoming a master crafter but previous zos decisions with "cosmetic" items have left a bad taste in my mouth, crafting is definitiley p2w in this game, you're blind if you don't see otherwise and whether you like it or not, it sets a bad precedent.

Just because crafting isn't your end game, it doesn't mean they won't eventually ruin whatever is.
Had I known that they were going to turn master crafting into a p2w situation I may have subbed from the start, I'd have saved a few bucks while renting DLC rather than paying more by buying it outright and I'd have bought rare motifs with "free" crowns rather than work towards them ingame.

Most of you have completely missed the points of the OP and went straight into attack mode.
It's as though zos has induced a stockholm syndrome mentality within most of you, "charge me more for minimal effort zos, I'll pay more for it upfront and defend your screwing me over to the death with poisonous keystrokes of virtual ink" lol

Personally I won't support their minimal efforts or defend their questionable service and attitude towards customers,
They have you fighting among yourselves and completely dividing the community over something that should have been a non issue at the games launch... it's laughable.
"Divide and conquer" is as the saying goes but god help them when you all find something to be collectively PO at them for in the future lol.

Good luck with the crafting bags guys, hope they're worthwhile for you all but I'll stick to just managing my inventory, paying a surcharge just for inventory space doesn't seem worth it to me.

Sausage wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

Me too, Ive chose DCLs instead of sub, hopefully they start to sell the bags via Crown Store, not to mention I thnk if you're unlocked all DLCs you should have the sub benefits.

Now that is an interesting thought @Sausage... all benefits BUT the 1500 crowns per month, I assume.

Woot, finally support from someone! I agree with 1500 Crowns.

If you didnt get the 1500 crowns youd be at a disadvantage compared to people who dont sub and buy dlcs with crowns. So that doesnt really count as a benefit... it makes things equal between the 2 payment options. The only real perk is the 10% xp buff. I dont think that alone is enough to convince anyone to sub.

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

Me too, Ive chose DCLs instead of sub, hopefully they start to sell the bags via Crown Store, not to mention I thnk if you're unlocked all DLCs you should have the sub benefits.

Now that is an interesting thought @Sausage... all benefits BUT the 1500 crowns per month, I assume.

Woot, finally support from someone! I agree with 1500 Crowns.

If you didnt get the 1500 crowns youd be at a disadvantage compared to people who dont sub and buy dlcs with crowns. So that doesnt really count as a benefit... it makes things equal between the 2 payment options. The only real perk is the 10% xp buff. I dont think that alone is enough to convince anyone to sub.

I think DLC unlockers what I think are loyalist, needs own kind of benefits at least.