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At least you eat and take a shower. According to some forum posters PVPers don't even do that because they have to stay competitive...i just agree that; when i go home from work ...
First take a shower then eat and then open pc and start playin ESO... i start with some pve and bugs are making me crazy and i close it.(there are really so many:) )..
And then i try to get PVP and even just entrance of cyrodill i see 500+ Ping and i close to whole game and start to watch some movies or tv series.
So i go home to play eso and i cant... in a idea it is poerfect game ..in a action you cant play it:D...
...und Gallileo dreht sich doch!
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At least you eat and take a shower. According to some forum posters PVPers don't even do that because they have to stay competitive...i just agree that; when i go home from work ...
First take a shower then eat and then open pc and start playin ESO... i start with some pve and bugs are making me crazy and i close it.(there are really so many:) )..
And then i try to get PVP and even just entrance of cyrodill i see 500+ Ping and i close to whole game and start to watch some movies or tv series.
So i go home to play eso and i cant... in a idea it is poerfect game ..in a action you cant play it:D...
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Gamertag - Zyzz II Legacy
Stam Sorc & Stam NB PvP
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technohic✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Orion_Sixx wrote: »Maybe some should be just a casual weekend player like myself with no dlc's and enjoy the game as an escape from the disfuntion of society that drives us crazy, I understand the bugs get annoying but it makes it more challenging to adapt to the chaos. Yeah some spend bunch of money on dlc's when they come out but a semi smart person like me will wait a few months till I'm comfortable knowing the bugs have been mostly fix so that enjoyment will be there.
Now I'm not cutting anyone down, this is just my opinion to the fact no game from the days of atari to now have been perfect.
I've seen alot of posts and hear alot of players say they spent lots of money on dlc's which have all been bugged, so who's the crazy one Zos for putting it out to soon or the players for continuing to buy bugged dlc's?
I would try to do that but broken abilities and mechanics kill me. Then; I so want to enjoy Cyrodiil even as just a pawn to the more dedicated players. Back in Beta, and right after launch; it was amazing. Certainly not balanced but it worked.
That's my rant on the game. It's best features are broken. Character building? Great if abilities weren't getting broken or made worthless until we all are shoe horned into similar builds. Large Scale PVP? Lag all to hell to unplayable levels.1 -
whooligans✭✭✭Not really a fan of Fengrush, but he's spot on. Came back again to give it another shot, only to see the same *** over and over again. I'm out.3
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condumitru✭✭My context
Less of a PvPer than a PvEer here, played since beta but on/off due to various reasons, so I haven't reached endgame PvE or PvP yet.
We know PvP needs constant adjusting and balancing but the way I see the bigger issue here is coming from a context in which ppl think their feedback is meaningless. Now I've seen this in other places this apparent lack of communication and I think it's just their work policy (see VALVE), no dev in their right mind would ignore feedback.
Now considering the bigger picture from all the negative feedback (mind that this doesn't mean all these ppl have for your game is negativity) and what I've seen working in other cases I support an idea I've heard from others:
Proposal
More frequency in PTS changes, smaller changes (e.g. this month we're testing gap closer mechanics change or this month we're req feedback on X skill radius/buff). Small changes that play towards your bigger balance patches, not to be approved or rejected (cause we might not know your final full context and intent) but to see backend feedback and general feedback towards better implementation.
This would achieve 2 things mainly: better communication between community and dev team, and less space for errors or bug patching due to higher freq of control (e.g. 1/month rather than a long PTS session for a big update).
Downside of this implementation is more work involved in backend feedback collection and general feedback sorting among other things but I think it would be towards a better version of this game.
P.S. to @FENGRUSH I enjoy your passion and like your hair
and imo you need to sell your ideas more like a politician, if you want to better convey your meaning to the majority, ergo a bigger chance to spread them wide - if you want that I mean;
if you just want to say w/e you want you're free to do so ofc and this doesn't apply. Between you and me, I think ZOS knows about said issues but have their own timetable set up already and incremental changes are slow to come, relative to your feedback.4 -
Messy1✭✭✭✭✭
✭PvErs who criticize the PvPers for whining or say "uh the PvP portion of the justice system is dead, just let it rest," are so incredibly short-sighted about the development and longevity of the game that it is very disheartening. I support PvE and PvP initiatives, in ESO I always have. The game will become 2 dimensional without better implementation of PvP
Also, every patch/update we get "re-balance" of skills, which in my opinion , dilutes content and game developments cause devs are focused on problems from 2 patches ago. Magicka vs. Stam issues that have to be rebalanced detract from other parts of the game.
Also, all this time and only 2 new skill lines (correct me if I'm wrong) legerdemain and thieves guild. No new weapon skill lines, no new class skill lines, ugh.
Yeah, I'm frustrated so do something about it ZOS fir my sake and the sake of ESO.Edited by Messy1 on March 16, 2016 2:11PM0 -
Moglijuana✭✭✭✭✭condumitru wrote: »My context
Less of a PvPer than a PvEer here, played since beta but on/off due to various reasons, so I haven't reached endgame PvE or PvP yet.
We know PvP needs constant adjusting and balancing but the way I see the bigger issue here is coming from a context in which ppl think their feedback is meaningless. Now I've seen this in other places this apparent lack of communication and I think it's just their work policy (see VALVE), no dev in their right mind would ignore feedback.
Now considering the bigger picture from all the negative feedback (mind that this doesn't mean all these ppl have for your game is negativity) and what I've seen working in other cases I support an idea I've heard from others:
Proposal
More frequency in PTS changes, smaller changes (e.g. this month we're testing gap closer mechanics change or this month we're req feedback on X skill radius/buff). Small changes that play towards your bigger balance patches, not to be approved or rejected (cause we might not know your final full context and intent) but to see backend feedback and general feedback towards better implementation.
This would achieve 2 things mainly: better communication between community and dev team, and less space for errors or bug patching due to higher freq of control (e.g. 1/month rather than a long PTS session for a big update).
Downside of this implementation is more work involved in backend feedback collection and general feedback sorting among other things but I think it would be towards a better version of this game.
P.S. to @FENGRUSH I enjoy your passion and like your hair and imo you need to sell your ideas more like a politician, if you want to better convey your meaning to the majority, ergo a bigger chance to spread them wide - if you want that I mean;
if you just want to say w/e you want you're free to do so ofc and this doesn't apply. Between you and me, I think ZOS knows about said issues but have their own timetable set up already and incremental changes are slow to come, relative to your feedback.
That is literally what 99% of the people complaining on the forums want...TWO THINGS!
1) Better communication from the devs, as in some short sweet explanation of what they plan on adjusting
2) Higher frequency of balancing changes over a longer period of time INSTEAD OF one LARGE ASS patch that has a plethora of changes that will most likely be riddled with bugs.1 -
Inarre✭✭✭✭✭
✭Right as he may be about some issues can you really blame eso for cutting him out? They look to hire streamers for positive publicity. Right now fengrush is creating a lot of bad publicity.
That said the fact that fengrush is here whether zos likes it or not and can be heard is a benefit to this community. Im not a fengrush fan, far from it, and im not as bothered as some here and actually think zos does a pretty decent job overall but even i have to agree this last patch was pretty buggy and having a "Gordon Ramsey of ESO" can be beneficial.
If you served raw meat to patrons in your restaurant, even if not everyone wants to stand up and yell on the street corners about wasting your money there, its nice to see someone standing up and going "WHAT THE [snip] ARE YOU THINKING?"
I mean, everyone thinks the guy is assnut crazy, but you giggle and smile to yourself because he says what everyone is thinking.
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✭✭The thing about the pvp loudmouths in this game is they constantly "call out" the devs, they make toons with names mocking the developers.
I've been mmoing since everquest and I've never seen it before, it's sickening.1 -
anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Moglijuana wrote: »1) Better communication from the devs, as in some short sweet explanation of what they plan on adjusting
People would start straight away to criticize their choices and their priorities.Moglijuana wrote: »2) Higher frequency of balancing changes over a longer period of time INSTEAD OF one LARGE ASS patch that has a plethora of changes that will most likely be riddled with bugs.
Changes are inter-related and connected, it's very hard to make only "some changes".
People (like Fengrush and, apparently, like you) make me laugh sadly because they believe they know better, while they actually know nothing.
If you work in a company, or any kind of collective structure for that matter, you know of a million "simple" things that could be "easily" solved but aren't, and you also know that there are a million reasons (big or small, but very real) why these things aren't solved.
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Speak for yourself as I get annoyed every time they change up skills for "balance" as if it can ever truly be achieved...every skill shouldn't be the same any way, asking for the same damage/effect/etc. across the board is ridiculous.Moglijuana wrote: »
2) Higher frequency of balancing changes over a longer period of time INSTEAD OF one LARGE ASS patch that has a plethora of changes that will most likely be riddled with bugs.
"his skill is stronger then mine, his shield is better, NERF it now or I hate you"
What they really need to do is create 2 separate effects for skills, PvE and PvP....that way every time there's whining to nerf something that the devs actually listen to then it won't affect PvE fun.
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✭✭✭Its funny how pvp makes up about 10% of the game but about 90% of the support calls. People who pvp want every single patch to be about them and them only. Forget the rest of the people who play they are all just carebear losers who dont get it. I mean I had one guy in another thread say this game should turn into a MOBA because you knw he likes MOBAs but he wont play any of the 100 or so out right now.2 -
EsoRecon✭✭✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Its funny how pvp makes up about 10% of the game but about 90% of the support calls. People who pvp want every single patch to be about them and them only. Forget the rest of the people who play they are all just carebear losers who dont get it. I mean I had one guy in another thread say this game should turn into a MOBA because you knw he likes MOBAs but he wont play any of the 100 or so out right now.
Not true [snip]
[edited for profanity bypass]Edited by ZOS_Icy on July 12, 2026 12:59PMXbox One [ NA ]
Gamertag - Zyzz II Legacy
Stam Sorc & Stam NB PvP
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WalkingLegacy✭✭✭✭✭
✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Its funny how pvp makes up about 10% of the game but about 90% of the support calls. People who pvp want every single patch to be about them and them only. Forget the rest of the people who play they are all just carebear losers who dont get it. I mean I had one guy in another thread say this game should turn into a MOBA because you knw he likes MOBAs but he wont play any of the 100 or so out right now.
You have no idea what you're talking about and now putting words into other peoples mouths.2 -
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✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Its funny how pvp makes up about 10% of the game but about 90% of the support calls. People who pvp want every single patch to be about them and them only. Forget the rest of the people who play they are all just carebear losers who dont get it. I mean I had one guy in another thread say this game should turn into a MOBA because you knw he likes MOBAs but he wont play any of the 100 or so out right now.
Not true [snip]
lol come on look at the forums. Minority of users in one forum make up 99% of the complaints. Hint its the alliance war.
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jamesharv2005ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Heck even look at general discussion. Again the majority of complaints are the never ending complaints about pvp. Its not just this game either. Its all MMOs with pvp in them.2 -
EsoRecon✭✭✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Its funny how pvp makes up about 10% of the game but about 90% of the support calls. People who pvp want every single patch to be about them and them only. Forget the rest of the people who play they are all just carebear losers who dont get it. I mean I had one guy in another thread say this game should turn into a MOBA because you knw he likes MOBAs but he wont play any of the 100 or so out right now.
Not true [snip]
lol come on look at the forums. Minority of users in one forum make up 99% of the complaints. Hint its the alliance war.
was talking about the part where he said pvp players want every update/dlc to be about them. NO ONE has ever said that.
[edited to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_Icy on July 12, 2026 1:00PMXbox One [ NA ]
Gamertag - Zyzz II Legacy
Stam Sorc & Stam NB PvP
(I'm Just Here To 1vX)1 -
jamesharv2005ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Its funny how pvp makes up about 10% of the game but about 90% of the support calls. People who pvp want every single patch to be about them and them only. Forget the rest of the people who play they are all just carebear losers who dont get it. I mean I had one guy in another thread say this game should turn into a MOBA because you knw he likes MOBAs but he wont play any of the 100 or so out right now.
Not true [snip]
lol come on look at the forums. Minority of users in one forum make up 99% of the complaints. Hint its the alliance war.
was talking about the part where he said pvp players want every update/dlc to be about them. NO ONE has every said that.
You dont read the forums much do you? Ah well at least ZOS gets it which is the important part.
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✭✭WalkingLegacy wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Heck even look at general discussion. Again the majority of complaints are the never ending complaints about pvp. Its not just this game either. Its all MMOs with pvp in them.
[snip]
I don't know If It's even relevant to this discussion, but denying that pvp is the most complained about topic in mmo forums is delusional. This is known. Where do you think the majority of nerf and buff feedback comes from as well? I'll give you a hint, it's not pve.
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EsoRecon✭✭✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »[snip]
I just want some changes in PVP. Not asking for much.
[edited to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_Icy on July 12, 2026 1:06PMXbox One [ NA ]
Gamertag - Zyzz II Legacy
Stam Sorc & Stam NB PvP
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jamesharv2005ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »[snip]
I just want some changes in PVP. Not asking for much.
Ya not like they havent already made 100s of changes for pvp. Not like the entire first dlc was dedicated to pvp. Most of the balance changes around PVP. New gear sets, monster helm vendor and all the other pvp updates. Yet you still arent happy. What changes do you want now?
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✭✭✭✭✭I do mostly PvE, with some PvP. I think the PvPers have some legitimate complaints (especially stamina builds, which also hits PvE). Screaming will just make them utterly ignore and not even read the post though. You can say that you tried being nice and nothing happened, but I would think that continuing to push in a nice fashion will go a lot further than rants that guarantee an ignore."Get off my lawn!"0 -
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✭✭WalkingLegacy wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »WalkingLegacy wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Heck even look at general discussion. Again the majority of complaints are the never ending complaints about pvp. Its not just this game either. Its all MMOs with pvp in them.
[snip]
I don't know If It's even relevant to this discussion, but denying that pvp is the most complained about topic in mmo forums is delusional. This is known. Where do you think the majority of nerf and buff feedback comes from as well? I'll give you a hint, it's not pve.
[snip]
"Complained about topic." Sure there are plenty of random topics and pve related questions. But pvp threads are more often than not the, rage/nerf/I quit/complain variety. This is universal. Doesn't matter if it's a terrible pvper or a pro. Competition breeds this toxicity. If I'm getting whooped, something is broken or needs a nerf. My honest opinion, the two should never be present in the same game, pvp and pve, especially mmos. It can't be balanced, it will never be fair to one side, and it's honestly just not worth the hassle of trying.
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stitchmh✭✭✭I AM NO EXPERT!!!
That said, I STRONGLY disagree!!!
They haven't failed, unless you're searching for content they're NOT choosing to push.
Iperfer PVE, and so, I LOVE all the dlc.
I'm not an AWESOME player and am COMPLETLY challenged by the trials.
Maybe they are simply choosing to satisfy a player like me....that simple.
Still playing one toon.
V16 DK Tank all heavy mostly gold craftedstitchmh
ESO addict:)0 -
jamesharv2005ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Again I didnt call it the first DLC. ZOS did. As it was the first DLC.0 -
jamesharv2005ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Fact is it was the first DLC. You can try and deny it all you want. Its simply fact. PVP got the first DLC. It was 100% geared to PVP only. Yet you arent happy with it. You said you wanted smaller scale combat they gave you it. Then you complained it wasnt good enough. Meanwhile PVE people are happy as can be with the DLC provided. So they can keep[ trying to please people who cannot be pleased. Or they can make money offering content to the majority who will enjoy it and purchase it.3 -
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✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Fact is it was the first DLC. You can try and deny it all you want. Its simply fact. PVP got the first DLC. It was 100% geared to PVP only. Yet you arent happy with it. You said you wanted smaller scale combat they gave you it. Then you complained it wasnt good enough. Meanwhile PVE people are happy as can be with the DLC provided. So they can keep[ trying to please people who cannot be pleased. Or they can make money offering content to the majority who will enjoy it and purchase it.
You are happy as can be with DLC, thats what you can state, everything else is your wishful thinking.
IC was ment to be THE pvp DLC. The dlc that will end all miseries. Dlc with promised pvp objectives.
What we have got is gang wars online, farm or be farmed dlc that only added performance issues, due to PvE uproar was opened for all. And Z. explanation why meaningful pvp wasnt added to the pvp upadte? "we didnt make it" 2 freaking years and they didnt make it. Now we hear "Oh yes we certainly would love to have that but no ETA".
And now? PvE is also in terrible state, not only content wise, but also performance wise too. New trial? Great! But would be better if everyone and their mother didnt laged in it and dc'ed. New zone? Oh its gorgeous, gorgeous! But perhaps they could put here something that would keep players longer than a week? Isnt it a waste of Z. $ to pump out dlc's that are empty in a month or so?
But since you have Z. in highest regard, and you love to pour more cash to them, everything is ok and the game has years of golden existance.2 -
Panth141✭✭✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Fact is it was the first DLC. You can try and deny it all you want. Its simply fact. PVP got the first DLC. It was 100% geared to PVP only. Yet you arent happy with it. You said you wanted smaller scale combat they gave you it. Then you complained it wasnt good enough. Meanwhile PVE people are happy as can be with the DLC provided. So they can keep[ trying to please people who cannot be pleased. Or they can make money offering content to the majority who will enjoy it and purchase it.
Not sure you can call a DLC that introduced two new PvE dungeons, both in normal and veteran mode, complete with new associated sets that could only be obtained by performing PvE '100% geared to PVP only'...PS4 EU - Panth141 | CP 630+Dominion
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GRxKnight✭✭✭✭✭Yeah sorry but in no way was IC a PvP update...if it was there would be a point to go there and PvP but there isn't....it was a PvE update disguised as a PvP update....there's no good PvP in there anymore as it's pointless...go back to care bear landMember of Victorem, RÁGE ; Decibel Alumni (RIP)
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