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DaveMoeDee · March 2016

Shader_Shibes wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

The real question is, once VRs are gone, will we see the trial drops scaling to CR160 (or higher), or will they keep their current CR equivalent tiers of gear?

I will bet you $1000 they will be the v12/14 equivalent.

You are correct in that changing trial drop tables have no connection with coding CP gear tier changes. CP gear tiers is just direct mapping from VR tiers. It doesn't involve any adjustments to trial drops.

While it makes sense to retain some old content at old difficulty levels, removing VR greatly reduces the value of all v1-v15 content and gear as most alts will jump from 50 straight to max level gear and power. The Silver and Gold zones can be kept for leveling first characters, but more content will need to be bumped up to max level. If there was ever a time when it made sense to upgrade trial drop tables, it would be during the removal of VR.

DovresMalven · March 2016

Agree with Fengrush 100%. Corporate Greed has ruined what might have been a nice addition to the Elder Scrolls universe if it was handled much much differently.

RobboEU · March 2016

ZOS_CoriJ wrote: »

Eldruf wrote: »

Also if removing the other threads make it clear within the topics title what this thread is regarding.

This is an excellent suggestion. Thank you for your feedback.
We had hoped that posting that the thread was temporarily locked was enough clarity, however if the lock itself alarms people we will consider editing titles as well if this is more informative.

Eldruf wrote: »

ZOS_CoriJ wrote: »

We are leaving this thread open to continue this topic as the video and discussion itself have valid points. Criticism is welcome. However we would appreciate a single running discussion on this issue. Multiple threads are considered spamming and will take attention away from the point trying to me made of the discussion.

We also ask that you continue to keep this discussion in the realm of debate and away from insulting other players/groups. (We had to remove a few statements.) There are plenty of good examples of players making their statements on this thread without bashing one another. This is in the interest of keeping this thread open as we will close this thread like any other that violates our general forum rules.

we as a community politely if you take action on the issues raised

Also if removing the other threads make it clear within the topics title what this thread is regarding.

This part of the suggestion not?

Lysette · March 2016

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

I think Fengrush has no idea about how casuals play and for how long they stay in a game. He said like 3 months and then they are leaving the game - why would they possibly do that?- They have seen like nothing from this game in 3 months, because they do neither rush through the content nor would they spend a lot of time playing - if they get to play 20 hours per month that is already a lot and if they get up to 40 they hit a boundary, where their spouses will start to seriously get mad at them.

For casuals the game content will not run out anytime soon - they simply are not gamers who would consume a game like it would be melting ice cream. They do not burn through the content like being on speed and they do not run around like squirrels from quest to quest - they try to enjoy their time in Tamriel, without stress or the insane idea, that endgame would be what the game would be about - it is not - that what hardcore gamers see as a necessary evil - the PvE content - that is their game. And that Pvp content is not much more than a necessary evil, because they will most likely never get to it anyway.

This game can perfectly live on for many years to come, paid solely by casual players - they might not play a lot, they will as well not be a burden on the servers, but they are willing to keep up a subscription for years to come - because that is what they want - enjoyable entertainment to get back to, whenever they have a couple of hours. They do not seek a challenge, but entertainment, something to get away from reality for a bit - so they stay subscribed, because this is the cheapest seen long term. And that is exactky what ZOS wants as well - reliable income for years to come - so it is a win-win situation - just not for hardcore players.

You have it so backwards sometimes.

Lysette wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

I think Fengrush has no idea about how casuals play and for how long they stay in a game. He said like 3 months and then they are leaving the game - why would they possibly do that?- They have seen like nothing from this game in 3 months, because they do neither rush through the content nor would they spend a lot of time playing - if they get to play 20 hours per month that is already a lot and if they get up to 40 they hit a boundary, where their spouses will start to seriously get mad at them.

For casuals the game content will not run out anytime soon - they simply are not gamers who would consume a game like it would be melting ice cream. They do not burn through the content like being on speed and they do not run around like squirrels from quest to quest - they try to enjoy their time in Tamriel, without stress or the insane idea, that endgame would be what the game would be about - it is not - that what hardcore gamers see as a necessary evil - the PvE content - that is their game. And that Pvp content is not much more than a necessary evil, because they will most likely never get to it anyway.

This game can perfectly live on for many years to come, paid solely by casual players - they might not play a lot, they will as well not be a burden on the servers, but they are willing to keep up a subscription for years to come - because that is what they want - enjoyable entertainment to get back to, whenever they have a couple of hours. They do not seek a challenge, but entertainment, something to get away from reality for a bit - so they stay subscribed, because this is the cheapest seen long term. And that is exactky what ZOS wants as well - reliable income for years to come - so it is a win-win situation - just not for hardcore players.

so basically in a nut shell: hardcore players,pvp fanatics,and streamers picked the wrong game to invest in. not arguing just interpreting.

Of course they did - like Mr. Firor said lately, this is not the typical MMO but more of an expansive online Elder Scrolls RPG. And that is what it is going to be, you expect the wrong thing, if you think it will ever be something else.

He has said so many things, and constantly changes their agenda when they realize they can't accomplish anything. This is no different then stating their "MMO" is different than traditional MMOs. How so Matt/Lysette? Different because you're designing a single player experience but charging cash shop items that mimic an MMO?

Different as in "having no end game" - you guys are just not getting it - there is no end game and never will be - you might get an arena - another hamster cage for you to run in for a little while longer - but in fact ESO is a role playing game, an online version of an Elder Scrolls RPG - in that it is not a typical MMO. That ESO still has this hamster cage in Cyrrodil is just because it is still making some extra cash - if it will do that no longer, it might cease to be a PvP zone, who can say that now - you guys say, you will eventually leave, and think that is a threat - it is not, they might wait for you to actually do it. They cannot kick you out because you have paid for the game and are customers, but you are not the desired kind of customer, that's for certain. The whole game development is showing this.

Tiphis · March 2016

Agree with Fengrush completely. I only still play because I love the universe and lore. As a pvp'er I play this game for the major siege battles and other games for the BG's/arenas.

dennissomb16_ESO · March 2016

After watching the video, without meaning to pick on fengrush in particular most of what I heard was "me and other streamers want (insert whatever here)" and if you don't do it your game will fail and you suck. Some of the actual points he discussed were still very much personal preference. I can agree with some and not others. What I cannot agree with is statements like "ZOS Doesn't want feedback" or "everyone wants AOE caps removed etc. It is a huge community all with different wants that ZOS needs to balance out while they continue the game.

AOE caps as an example. Some streamers and forum warriors want it, many don't. I remember the fiasco no AOE caps had in Warhammer where two fire sorcs could kill dozens and dozens of people at a time. It was simply stupid.

You can take all the discussions around lack of class balance/nerfs/buffs, cut and paste the general concept and put them into the forums of any MMO with PvP and it will fit right in. This game is hardly unique when it comes to class balance discussions.

Every MMO forums is filled with "end of the world" posts. In the end people will play whatever game they enjoy. It may be going back to an older game, trying newer ones, or doing what they enjoy here

olsborg · March 2016

The biggest issue I have with zos in history was leaving nirnhoned on armor in the game in its broken state for 6+ months. Ridiculous.

EsoRecon · March 2016

dennissomb16_ESO wrote: »

After watching the video, without meaning to pick on fengrush in particular most of what I heard was "me and other streamers want (insert whatever here)" and if you don't do it your game will fail and you suck. Some of the actual points he discussed were still very much personal preference. I can agree with some and not others. What I cannot agree with is statements like "ZOS Doesn't want feedback" or "everyone wants AOE caps removed etc. It is a huge community all with different wants that ZOS needs to balance out while they continue the game.

AOE caps as an example. Some streamers and forum warriors want it, many don't. I remember the fiasco no AOE caps had in Warhammer where two fire sorcs could kill dozens and dozens of people at a time. It was simply stupid.

You can take all the discussions around lack of class balance/nerfs/buffs, cut and paste the general concept and put them into the forums of any MMO with PvP and it will fit right in. This game is hardly unique when it comes to class balance discussions.

Every MMO forums is filled with "end of the world" posts. In the end people will play whatever game they enjoy. It may be going back to an older game, trying newer ones, or doing what they enjoy here

Well if those dozens of players don't know how to play they deserve to die.

rfennell_ESO · March 2016

The problem with the "casuals" argument is that it implies that "hardcore" is good and "casual" is bad.

With raiding, I can get the argument.

In pvp... the hardcore are the problem though. They work hard to reverse the perception, doesn't mean it isn't so though.

People celebrate Fengrush and his ranting... but last I checked he spends most of his time trying to gank pve players in IC... running at orc sprint with a train of mobs running around the zone and spamming wrecking blow on people fighting pve content. Not saying he doesn't do anything else, but that's his primary "vocation" in this game, a ganker abusing mechanics to harass and annoy people.

He will show up to keep battles to "farm AP" and ofttimes shows up with a red zerg who leave him alone. I've seen him enter the breach with a red zerg... He's not playing the realm war, he's just an AP farmer running solo most of the time trying to get people to follow him on twitch. It's doubtful he makes much, as you don't have to actually subscribe at 4.99 to watch his videos... which by Twitch is the only way he gets paid.

Lastly, on the casual vs hardcore argument. You do need to keep in mind that casual = normal person with a job and family. Hardcore is often the opposite of that.

Past all that... when is the last time you saw Fengrush make a positive contribution to anything? Do you see him "help" people on the forums? Do you see him testing out build and posting videos? Do you actually see anything that even resembles theorycrafting from him? I answer more questions and try and be helpful than Fengrush... and I'm mostly a troll, even worse I'm an anonymous troll... even so, if you take a look you will see there is a distinct difference in behavior.

P.S. the hardcore are ALWAYS bailing for the newest game.

Moglijuana · March 2016

Lysette wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

I think Fengrush has no idea about how casuals play and for how long they stay in a game. He said like 3 months and then they are leaving the game - why would they possibly do that?- They have seen like nothing from this game in 3 months, because they do neither rush through the content nor would they spend a lot of time playing - if they get to play 20 hours per month that is already a lot and if they get up to 40 they hit a boundary, where their spouses will start to seriously get mad at them.

For casuals the game content will not run out anytime soon - they simply are not gamers who would consume a game like it would be melting ice cream. They do not burn through the content like being on speed and they do not run around like squirrels from quest to quest - they try to enjoy their time in Tamriel, without stress or the insane idea, that endgame would be what the game would be about - it is not - that what hardcore gamers see as a necessary evil - the PvE content - that is their game. And that Pvp content is not much more than a necessary evil, because they will most likely never get to it anyway.

This game can perfectly live on for many years to come, paid solely by casual players - they might not play a lot, they will as well not be a burden on the servers, but they are willing to keep up a subscription for years to come - because that is what they want - enjoyable entertainment to get back to, whenever they have a couple of hours. They do not seek a challenge, but entertainment, something to get away from reality for a bit - so they stay subscribed, because this is the cheapest seen long term. And that is exactky what ZOS wants as well - reliable income for years to come - so it is a win-win situation - just not for hardcore players.

You have it so backwards sometimes.

Lysette wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

I think Fengrush has no idea about how casuals play and for how long they stay in a game. He said like 3 months and then they are leaving the game - why would they possibly do that?- They have seen like nothing from this game in 3 months, because they do neither rush through the content nor would they spend a lot of time playing - if they get to play 20 hours per month that is already a lot and if they get up to 40 they hit a boundary, where their spouses will start to seriously get mad at them.

For casuals the game content will not run out anytime soon - they simply are not gamers who would consume a game like it would be melting ice cream. They do not burn through the content like being on speed and they do not run around like squirrels from quest to quest - they try to enjoy their time in Tamriel, without stress or the insane idea, that endgame would be what the game would be about - it is not - that what hardcore gamers see as a necessary evil - the PvE content - that is their game. And that Pvp content is not much more than a necessary evil, because they will most likely never get to it anyway.

This game can perfectly live on for many years to come, paid solely by casual players - they might not play a lot, they will as well not be a burden on the servers, but they are willing to keep up a subscription for years to come - because that is what they want - enjoyable entertainment to get back to, whenever they have a couple of hours. They do not seek a challenge, but entertainment, something to get away from reality for a bit - so they stay subscribed, because this is the cheapest seen long term. And that is exactky what ZOS wants as well - reliable income for years to come - so it is a win-win situation - just not for hardcore players.

so basically in a nut shell: hardcore players,pvp fanatics,and streamers picked the wrong game to invest in. not arguing just interpreting.

Of course they did - like Mr. Firor said lately, this is not the typical MMO but more of an expansive online Elder Scrolls RPG. And that is what it is going to be, you expect the wrong thing, if you think it will ever be something else.

He has said so many things, and constantly changes their agenda when they realize they can't accomplish anything. This is no different then stating their "MMO" is different than traditional MMOs. How so Matt/Lysette? Different because you're designing a single player experience but charging cash shop items that mimic an MMO?

Different as in "having no end game" - you guys are just not getting it - there is no end game and never will be - you might get an arena - another hamster cage for you to run in for a little while longer - but in fact ESO is a role playing game, an online version of an Elder Scrolls RPG - in that it is not a typical MMO. That ESO still has this hamster cage in Cyrrodil is just because it is still making some extra cash - if it will do that no longer, it might cease to be a PvP zone, who can say that now - you guys say, you will eventually leave, and think that is a threat - it is not, they might wait for you to actually do it. They cannot kick you out because you have paid for the game and are customers, but you are not the desired kind of customer, that's for certain. The whole game development is showing this.

The problem is, the Dev team hints at going in a certain direction (usually to appeal to both PvE & PvP) but then they go in a completely different direction without any discussion with the players that play their game...

DaveMoeDee · March 2016

Moglijuana wrote: »

Woo! I'm glad this thread is open again. I don't really care for the arguing, I'd rather see discussions to help make this game WE ALL WANT IT TO BE. The best MMO out there!

What would help the community the most to appeal to their desires? I feel like an actual community ambassador would help ZOS tremendously. Atm they seem way too transparent for an MMO developer.

I appreciate the sentiment.

Personally, I don't compare this to other "MMOs". If other MMOs are better at MMOing, that is fine with me. I have no idea what other MMOs do apart from what I hear second hand.

I like that this is in Tamriel. I enjoy the gameplay. I enjoy the narrative. I enjoy interacting with other people, grouping in dungeons, talking nonsense in Teamspeak in Cyrodiil. I enjoy developing my characters and crossing achievements off. I enjoy trying the game with different classes and with different attribute focuses. I like having persistence in my character in a gaming environment I can't control.

How does this compare to other MMOs? I don't know and I don't care. I don't say this to be contrary. I say this just to point out that a lot of devoted ESO fans are not comparing this game to other MMOs. My concern is whether I enjoy the game. I enjoy it. I might play a lot less the month before a DLC drop as I run out of fresh content and lose interest in repetition, but I am very satisfied with the game and I'm not sure I want to play any game 365 days a year.

Regarding being the best, no game will be the best at everything. Developers pick where they want to excel and they can be the best at that niche.

Mettaricana · March 2016

Maybe better luck if they make a eso2 in 10 years with more to offer

Lysette · March 2016

ADarklore wrote: »

dennischizophrenia wrote: »

ZOS keeps pushing their loyal players further and further away - that's a fact and Feng, well he's right. And after everything we dealt with a rant seems more than acceptable. :P

I wish the game would push more of these guys FURTHER out of the game! The PvP-centric people are the most toxic I've seen in gaming, and the more that leave the better IMO. Hate to break it to you, but this game IS NOT dominated by PvP players- although I know most of you want to convince yourself differently. For your information, this game is dominated by PvE solo-centric players and that is basically how the game was designed. Also, if Matt Firor even comes out and states that this game is more of a RPG than traditional MMO, then that should answer your question about how PvP fits into ESO.

While ZOS does have its fair share of problems, I'm still absolutely loving the game and I've been playing constantly for almost a year now. No, I don't PvP, I am one of the numerous solo-centric PvE players that you normally don't notice because I am too busy doing my own thing and enjoying the game. For those who think that ESO is 'losing players'- they're only losing the kind of players that you associate with... but the overall health of the game is just fine. Example... yesterday afternoon- a MONDAY afternoon- I started a new character and was annoyed because of the sheer number of players in the Wailing Prison, took me forever to reach level six because of how many players kept killing everything so quickly. Doing the Khenarthi's Roost and Auridon quests... same thing... players everywhere. So how can a game that is supposedly 'dying' be so constantly filled on a weekday afternoon with new players?!?

indeed that is my experience as well - ESO is crowded and it has a large base of new players. Sometimes I have to relog to get into a less crowed phase even. But I am like ADarklore, I am Pve-solo-centric, who occasionally is doing something together with others. I talk to people a lot though, I like to socialize rather then to actually team up with them. But this is basically because I like slow paced gaming - and this does not go well with the squirrel mentality of most in the game, rushing from quest to quest as if their tail would be on fire - that is not how I play, role players do not play this way.

Callous2208 · March 2016

After reading through this thread, I am certain now that eso is doomed. A streamer I've never heard of and a handfull of forum experts that hang off his jock said so. Their opinions matter to me the most since they "allegedly" no longer play the game.

Lysette · March 2016

SemiD4rkness wrote: »

Only casuals defend this game.

That's our form of PvP

JD2013 · March 2016

Mettaricana wrote: »

Maybe better luck if they make a eso2 in 10 years with more to offer

I don't think there will be an Elder Scrolls Online 2 any more than there'll be a World of Warcraft 2.

Zyle · March 2016

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

The problem with the "casuals" argument is that it implies that "hardcore" is good and "casual" is bad.

With raiding, I can get the argument.

In pvp... the hardcore are the problem though. They work hard to reverse the perception, doesn't mean it isn't so though.

People celebrate Fengrush and his ranting... but last I checked he spends most of his time trying to gank pve players in IC... running at orc sprint with a train of mobs running around the zone and spamming wrecking blow on people fighting pve content. Not saying he doesn't do anything else, but that's his primary "vocation" in this game, a ganker abusing mechanics to harass and annoy people.

He will show up to keep battles to "farm AP" and ofttimes shows up with a red zerg who leave him alone. I've seen him enter the breach with a red zerg... He's not playing the realm war, he's just an AP farmer running solo most of the time trying to get people to follow him on twitch. It's doubtful he makes much, as you don't have to actually subscribe at 4.99 to watch his videos... which by Twitch is the only way he gets paid.

Lastly, on the casual vs hardcore argument. You do need to keep in mind that casual = normal person with a job and family. Hardcore is often the opposite of that.

Past all that... when is the last time you saw Fengrush make a positive contribution to anything? Do you see him "help" people on the forums? Do you see him testing out build and posting videos? Do you actually see anything that even resembles theorycrafting from him? I answer more questions and try and be helpful than Fengrush... and I'm mostly a troll, even worse I'm an anonymous troll... even so, if you take a look you will see there is a distinct difference in behavior.

P.S. the hardcore are ALWAYS bailing for the newest game.

That was a very long way of saying you don't like Fengrush.

WalkingLegacy · March 2016

Callous2208 wrote: »

After reading through this thread, I am certain now that eso is doomed. A streamer I've never heard of and a handfull of forum experts that hang off his jock said so. Their opinions matter to me the most since they "allegedly" no longer play the game.

While his rant video is spot on, it truly is....I never really liked his streams or 'we are ESO live'. If ESO is doomed it is because the devs leadership are screwing the game over. They have no idea where to take the game or how to fix anything.

+1 for his rant video.

Moglijuana · March 2016

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

Woo! I'm glad this thread is open again. I don't really care for the arguing, I'd rather see discussions to help make this game WE ALL WANT IT TO BE. The best MMO out there!

What would help the community the most to appeal to their desires? I feel like an actual community ambassador would help ZOS tremendously. Atm they seem way too transparent for an MMO developer.

I appreciate the sentiment.

Personally, I don't compare this to other "MMOs". If other MMOs are better at MMOing, that is fine with me. I have no idea what other MMOs do apart from what I hear second hand.

I like that this is in Tamriel. I enjoy the gameplay. I enjoy the narrative. I enjoy interacting with other people, grouping in dungeons, talking nonsense in Teamspeak in Cyrodiil. I enjoy developing my characters and crossing achievements off. I enjoy trying the game with different classes and with different attribute focuses. I like having persistence in my character in a gaming environment I can't control.

How does this compare to other MMOs? I don't know and I don't care. I don't say this to be contrary. I say this just to point out that a lot of devoted ESO fans are not comparing this game to other MMOs. My concern is whether I enjoy the game. I enjoy it. I might play a lot less the month before a DLC drop as I run out of fresh content and lose interest in repetition, but I am very satisfied with the game and I'm not sure I want to play any game 365 days a year.

Regarding being the best, no game will be the best at everything. Developers pick where they want to excel and they can be the best at that niche.

I mean...there really isn't another MMO to compare ESO to anyways. I have enjoyed every single part of the game. Some parts more than others. ESO is great as an RPG that has multiplayer added in. I enjoy doing things by myself at times, and I also enjoy being able to group of with friends and do things with them. I'm still a fairly new player since I started with console release so I haven't really run "out of things to do" but I've given up on certain achievements that do not appeal to me (hello master angler!).

The thing is, if you split ESO into separate categories, it is always beat out. PvE? not the best. PvP? close but not the best. End game? not the best. Character Development?not the best. It's great game right now because it has ALL of these things put together. But when they keep focusing on only ONE of those focus areas at a time, the others will fall short and be beat out. As a AAA title game they really need to start focusing on their power as an ALL IN ONE game because they seem to be aiming at a "questing" game that lets you run around with multiple people. That too me is very sub par in 2016. There are WAYYYYYY better games that have much more engaging story lines and memorable characters. Will I play those games? Of course! But I will always come back to ESO because I enjoy doing more than questing on my own.

Better engagement with ALL parts of their community is needed. Singling out certain players (Trading Guilds, PvE Guilds, ) keeps others who enjoy THEIR favorite parts of the game out of the loop. To me, that is unfair and is a main point @FENGRUSH brings up. It's an extremely valid point.

rfennell_ESO · March 2016

Zyle wrote: »

That was a very long way of saying you don't like Fengrush.

Doesn't make what I said untrue. I freely admit to not liking him at all, I think he's a phony trying to leech money from the game, probably not very successfully.

The key point is that 90%+ of the time I see him he's in the sewers trying to gank people fighting pve content.

The rest of the time he's trying to gank stragglers in Cyrondil at keeps or hiding in a tower trying to gank noobs.

Not all that sure how that means squat in pvp in context of realm warfare.

Lysette · March 2016

Faulgor wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Hate to break it to you, but this game IS NOT dominated by PvP players- although I know most of you want to convince yourself differently. For your information, this game is dominated by PvE solo-centric players and that is basically how the game was designed. Also, if Matt Firor even comes out and states that this game is more of a RPG than traditional MMO, then that should answer your question about how PvP fits into ESO.

That's because every demographic but the solo PvE questers have left, because the game has nothing for them.
And the game was designed around the PvP in Cyrodiil. That's why we are split into 3 factions in the first place. Heck, Matt Firor only took the job on the condition that he could make this a 3-faction PvP game. And it was always advertised as having these amazing large PvP battles - at least until the performance dropped and they swept all of that under the rug to promote a dozen colors of cat mounts instead.

And I don't PvP either, just pointing some stuff out.

I don't know why you guys do not understand adverts - they are made to catch those potential customers, which will not come to the game on their own - like TES fans do, they do not need a lot of ads to go to ESO, they come by themselves - so clearly the ads had to be targeted on those who had no clue about TES games - and they advertised something what was not part of TES before as in "we have this as well, and it's for you" - that is all what adverts do - they tease those who are not customers yet to come and buy it. If you trust in ad, that's your fault then - just look at a triple-cheeseburger ad - there are 3 slices of cheese in the picture and it is like 3 times taller than the real burger in your box - do you really expect to get 3 slices and a much taller box - no you don't, ads do not give a real impression, they are meant to tease and seduce - you cannot trust them.

Menelaos · March 2016

So here we have the new ESO elder statesman accusing ZOS of not doing things the way he wants them to be? And holding grudges because some random streamers either don't play ESO anymore or are being paid by ZOS to promote the game he essentially hates? And all covered in narcissm, self righteousness and bad language?

Yeah, but it's not a jealousy thing, sure.

RazielSR · March 2016

Now thia Fengrush...not that I dont agree with some of the things he says but...please people...can you read posts from me or others talking in those same topics or replying etc etc...more or less half and a year or more ago?

In short: to mix MMO with TES universe is an ENORMOUS MISTAKE AS ME AND OTHER SAID LONG BEFORE THIS FENGRUSH MAN APPEARED.Thats why NOW even Matt is saying this is an online rpg,not your typical mmo. Step by step ZOS is changing that and understanding that they made a mistake by USING TES NAME in an mmo world.

As many people is saying in this topic,or other topics,TES is about the journey,the lore,the atmosphere...not your typical pshyco virtual killer game just to feed potential fools brains.

Pvp is the sickness of this game. They would just delete it all but I understand it is not possible. Damage was done.

Im here until TESVI anyway. But I have to say that with these kind of dlcs like Orsinium or TG...ZOS is going the right way and Im happy because of that.

Lysette · March 2016

Tankqull wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

I think Fengrush has no idea about how casuals play and for how long they stay in a game. He said like 3 months and then they are leaving the game - why would they possibly do that?- They have seen like nothing from this game in 3 months, because they do neither rush through the content nor would they spend a lot of time playing - if they get to play 20 hours per month that is already a lot and if they get up to 40 they hit a boundary, where their spouses will start to seriously get mad at them.

For casuals the game content will not run out anytime soon - they simply are not gamers who would consume a game like it would be melting ice cream. They do not burn through the content like being on speed and they do not run around like squirrels from quest to quest - they try to enjoy their time in Tamriel, without stress or the insane idea, that endgame would be what the game would be about - it is not - that what hardcore gamers see as a necessary evil - the PvE content - that is their game. And that Pvp content is not much more than a necessary evil, because they will most likely never get to it anyway.

This game can perfectly live on for many years to come, paid solely by casual players - they might not play a lot, they will as well not be a burden on the servers, but they are willing to keep up a subscription for years to come - because that is what they want - enjoyable entertainment to get back to, whenever they have a couple of hours. They do not seek a challenge, but entertainment, something to get away from reality for a bit - so they stay subscribed, because this is the cheapest seen long term. And that is exactky what ZOS wants as well - reliable income for years to come - so it is a win-win situation - just not for hardcore players.

so basically in a nut shell: hardcore players,pvp fanatics,and streamers picked the wrong game to invest in. not arguing just interpreting.

Of course they did - like Mr. Firor said lately, this is not the typical MMO but more of an expansive expensive online Elder Scrolls RPG. And that is what it is going to be, you expect the wrong thing, if you think it will ever be something else.

just changed it sligthly for honesty...

Both - but I would prefer if you do not edit my post in this way - and expensive is relative - I have bought the game for 22€ on sale and spend about 15 times of that in the crown store and I subscribed for 6 months - is that a lot? - Really not, a good bottle of wine in a first class restaurant costs me like 5 times more and it does not last that long. It is not expensive at all, but actually a quite worthwhile form of entertainment.

Talyena · March 2016

I think people like Fengrush are part of the problem with this game. I totally disagree with him when it comes to balancing this game for 1v1 PvP when this is an RvR game. He wanted healing nerfed when I think we need more defense and less burst damage and crowd control in RvR. And he is so whiny.

That said, he made a lot of good points. The devs don't have good communication. They don't seem to have any idea on the identity of each class and what that class should do well and what tools they should be using to achieve that goal. They fix worthless skills by making them more worthless. They allow you to switch sides on a whim. And most importantly, they have no idea how to fix the ping and performance in Cyrodiil. If balance issues were the biggest problem then the game would be in a good place because players will never be satisfied with balance.

Mashille · March 2016

Wait, what the F*** just happened, log in and have 162 notifications. Wow.

Mojmir · March 2016

Lol he makes videos on here making fun of the devs and expects them to listen to him,get a job in the real world and see how that works out.I'm all for calling them out on bs,this video is too late and they've already dismissed it. Next game u go to try a different approach.

Katahdin · March 2016

keybaud wrote: »

Wait, what the F*** just happened, log in and have 162 notifications. Wow.

It automatically notifies you if people respond to your thread. You can turn it off in options.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · March 2016

I like how people throw around the term "casual" like its an insult. Pretty sure you are supposed to PLAY games casually and not make it your life's work. For many of us casuals we have lots of real life obligations. We might not play as much as these supposed hardcore people but our money spends the same. By definition casuals are the majority of people paying for and playing this game.

I wear it as a term of pride.

Mashille · March 2016

@Katahdin

I know. I just didn't really expect 162...