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Hope499

keybaud wrote: »

Not My Video. Just thought some more more people should see it.

FENG RUSH Youtube: https://youtube.com/channel/UC0qKzzZV1yf_nnrPQc2YcWA

FENG RUSH Twitch: https://twitch.tv/fengrush/profile

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o33iczl2PxE

My fav part:

"How do you expect people to keep playing Zenimax??"

As he is sitting there, playing it. lol.


I agree with lots of what he says, but a little overboard to say the least.

Waffennacht

Who cares? he's on PC

EsoRecon

Can someone explain to me why PVE players get so mad when we PVP players want something good to happen in PVP? I mean it doesn't affect you, so why get so worked up about it.

Morbash

Kahl_dur wrote: »

Sorry, I'm confused. Was that supposed to be a review of Thieve's Guild? Seemed more like the foul-mouthed rantings of a disgruntled streamer to me.

Sorry, I'm confused. Was your post supposed to add something of value to the discussion? If you can't handle coarse language, then please take your prudish bait post elsewhere. Feel free to come back and contribute to the discussion when you're wearing your big boy pants.

Mady

Mady wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

It's funny how he says that all players want aoe caps removed, than in fact only a small minority wants them to be removed..

I'm pretty sure there was a poll asking if players want AOE caps or not and about 80% voted No AOE caps. Still got AOE caps.
But I could remember it wrong. Long time ago tho.

"Someone" sent me the link to the thread:

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/88049/do-you-think-there-should-be-an-aoe-cap/p1

Over 4000 votes
That's just another part of 'not listening'. But people still say "they try". Maybe they actually do, but not as hard as possible!

Mush55

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

EsoRecon wrote: »

Mush55 wrote: »

I take it this is another mainly PvP moan fest...

yes

No, watch the video.

Of some person I have never heard of moaning about things that have been changed or not changed to his likeing .

No thanks, if you dont like the direction the game is going don't play it simples.

Zyle

EsoRecon wrote: »

Can someone explain to me why PVE players get so mad when we PVP players want something good to happen in PVP? I mean it doesn't affect you, so why get so worked up about it.

Mostly because PvPers get blamed for any terrible change done by ZOS.

RobboEU

rotaugen454

Mady wrote: »

Mady wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

It's funny how he says that all players want aoe caps removed, than in fact only a small minority wants them to be removed..

I'm pretty sure there was a poll asking if players want AOE caps or not and about 80% voted No AOE caps. Still got AOE caps.
But I could remember it wrong. Long time ago tho.

"Someone" sent me the link to the thread:

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/88049/do-you-think-there-should-be-an-aoe-cap/p1

Over 4000 votes
That's just another part of 'not listening'. But people still say "they try". Maybe they actually do, but not as hard as possible!

What % of the total player base are the 3700 who said "no AOE cap"? What % of players even ever get on the forums?

DaveMoeDee

Mojmir wrote: »

Lol he makes videos on here making fun of the devs and expects them to listen to him,get a job in the real world and see how that works out.I'm all for calling them out on bs,this video is too late and they've already dismissed it. Next game u go to try a different approach.

I may not agree with him on some things, but I at least recognize that he does have a job IRL.

So the 'get a job' ad hominem attack doesn't work in this case.

Preyfar

I disagree with some of the issues brought up, and I'm a hardcore PVPer. Granted, I don't broadcast on Twitch, so I'm not a known quantity. That said, I do want ZOS to communicate more with what's happening, what's planned and lay down a proper road ahead. ZOS is aware of the lag, and has done an admirable job with the TG patch of improving it. Still a long ways to go.

I think there's a lot more pressing questions which ZOS needs to ask itself, and to the community. What's the long term PVP plan? Where is Cyrodiil going to be in five years, because as it is, it's mostly the same fights day in, day out. Fighting over the same keeps on the same landmass gets dull, and if this were Coutner-Strike, it'd be the eqv. of a de_dust 24/7 server. I want some variety.

I want to PVP in Daedric realms, in war torn battlefields, in cities and more. I don't see Cyrodiil being a PVP staple for years to come.

That said, I think ESO has some of the best PVP in its class (when it works).

TheDarkShadow

Though there are mods that check out the forums and keep it out of fire, I doubt the devs actually notice much of it (left alone a 30m vid on youtube). Too many conflicted opinions, everyone insist that theirs are valid and they are the majority, sometime the argue on the 3rd page have nothing to do with the problem on the 1st. If you spend all your work time try to read thru them all, you will finally get lost and have no time left to do any actual fixing or updating on the game.
I think when they make dicision, they go thru their data, like: how many people playing within the last few months, how many % go to Cyrodiil, how many AP they made, how many doing pledge, how many time? How many people spend how much time in trial or Maelstrom Arena? What's the average level of players who played in the last few months. How much money each group of players spent on the game... It's where they get the idea which group of customers they would focus on next DLC. The others groups would shared lesser development time and resource.
So... yeah, I guess the hardcore pvp players and hardcore players in general isn't the majority of this game.

Callous2208

Morbash wrote: »

Kahl_dur wrote: »

Sorry, I'm confused. Was that supposed to be a review of Thieve's Guild? Seemed more like the foul-mouthed rantings of a disgruntled streamer to me.

Sorry, I'm confused. Was your post supposed to add something of value to the discussion? If you can't handle coarse language, then please take your prudish bait post elsewhere. Feel free to come back and contribute to the discussion when you're wearing your big boy pants.

Lol discussion. What discussion? I thought you were all here to stroke this guy's ego while patting each other on the back for agreeing with your vaunted interwebz hero. This thread is a support group for tearfull souls who supposedly hate and no longer play this game, same as any other qq thread.

Garldeen

Anyone would think people are being forced to play the game. I play the game because I enjoy it. When the enjoyment stops I will seek alternative games/activities to fill the gap. Life is too short to play a game which I don't not enjoy, just so it gives me something to complain about. Those who know me would say I can already find plenty of things to complain about, without needing to add to the list

This game will never be perfect for everyone. Impossible. Changing x to keep player 1 happy will result in player 2 becoming unhappy. The goal is to find the middle ground in which as many people as possible are happy. As the game is still going after two years, I would guess they are in the right ballpark.

There again, i'm a casual - I play the game for a few hours a week to relax after work and study. The game for me is entertainment, not a purpose.

*puts tin foil hat on*

Zyle

Callous2208 wrote: »

Morbash wrote: »

Kahl_dur wrote: »

Sorry, I'm confused. Was that supposed to be a review of Thieve's Guild? Seemed more like the foul-mouthed rantings of a disgruntled streamer to me.

Sorry, I'm confused. Was your post supposed to add something of value to the discussion? If you can't handle coarse language, then please take your prudish bait post elsewhere. Feel free to come back and contribute to the discussion when you're wearing your big boy pants.

Lol discussion. What discussion? I thought you were all here to stroke this guy's ego while patting each other on the back for agreeing with your vaunted interwebz hero. This thread is a support group for tearfull souls who supposedly hate and no longer play this game, same as any other qq thread.

10/10 edgy.

DaveMoeDee

EsoRecon wrote: »

I just now realized that the majority of people left are skyrim players. Well I have something for you. This isn't that type of game. Now don't get me wrong I absolutely loved skyrim, but ESO isn't skyrim. So there should be good pvp and things to do at end game. It shouldn't just be an RP quester game. It's an MMO!

"This isn't this type of game"

If that is the case, than no one should be complaining about Skyrim players since, as you say, this game isn't designed for them.

So who is it designed for? I assume those people you are referring to much be the most happy with the game.

On a side note, RP and 'quester' are two different things. People like TES games mostly because they get to develop their character and they feel an attachment with their own development and their impact on the world. Quite a few people put hundreds of hours into TES games without finishing the main story line.

Katahdin

They do listen. They just dont agree and aren't making the changes Fengrush and his minions want.

tinythinker

There are comments in the thread about both PvE and PvP, and both were even mentioned in the video. But the last few pages have been devolving more and more toward posturing and belittling based on the idea that everything resolves into "PvE vs PvP". If you have no problem with the boatload of new bugs each patch, the bugs that have been around for years, the relative lack of transparency that ZOS has admitted is a problem and still struggles with, the numerous issues with endgame PvE content and with AvA, and similar subjects being discussed, and you think ZOS/ESO is wonderful and shouldn't be criticized, that's great, but what value do you hope to contribute to this thread?

Believe it or not there are people who both PvP and PvE, who are often long time players, who have supported this game by helping fellow players/suggesting fixes/giving ZOS lots of money, who make reasoned suggestions and criticisms, and who still feel ZOS needs to do better in terms of the quality of what they put out and in their communication with the player-base. This is true whether you like or agree with the video posted, and whether you care about people who enjoy the game differently than you. If this thread becomes another sh%t-throwing or p$issing contest between those who mostly want to argue, any helpful criticism will get drowned out.

DaveMoeDee

EsoRecon wrote: »

Can someone explain to me why PVE players get so mad when we PVP players want something good to happen in PVP? I mean it doesn't affect you, so why get so worked up about it.

Look into how many of the complainers phrase their complaints. If they are complaining about so-called "casual", you have your answer.

Also, we need to keep our voices heard because we don't start many complaint threads. It is important to be heard so that ZOS knows that a large number of people like where the game is going and thought TG was a great addition (though with mixed opinions on topless NPCs and purple/pink critters.)

Lavum

Notice there has not been any comments to the Video and the issues raised from ZOS? I really want to be playing this game for the long haul, but the consistent issues are making it a challenge. The fact that ZOS does not engage with the community is very worrisome, and does not give me the impression that they are even actually read things like this.

SemiD4rkness

Pve is for casuals since ESOs pvp now sucks ESO is officialy declared by me a casual game.

Mady

rotaugen454 wrote: »

Mady wrote: »

Mady wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

It's funny how he says that all players want aoe caps removed, than in fact only a small minority wants them to be removed..

I'm pretty sure there was a poll asking if players want AOE caps or not and about 80% voted No AOE caps. Still got AOE caps.
But I could remember it wrong. Long time ago tho.

"Someone" sent me the link to the thread:

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/88049/do-you-think-there-should-be-an-aoe-cap/p1

Over 4000 votes
That's just another part of 'not listening'. But people still say "they try". Maybe they actually do, but not as hard as possible!

What % of the total player base are the 3700 who said "no AOE cap"? What % of players even ever get on the forums?

Every player is able to vote in those polls. If they don't want it's their thing, but then they can't complain about nothing changes. But should ZOS answer to players that say 'Hey, can we have a look at this' (+ the majority of people share their opinion & agree) - 'Nope, you're only 4000 players of 5000 PvP players reading the forums' (Kappa)?

Then we can stop sharing opinions, because only 10% of the player base is active in the forums. Not enough to represent a proper state how people think about the game. Everyone else is fine with lags or bugs then.... mhm?

Edit: I wonder if there is any other poll that has that much people voted?....

DaveMoeDee

Malmai wrote: »

Listen

"Listen", or agree and kowtow?

Morbash

Callous2208 wrote: »

Morbash wrote: »

Kahl_dur wrote: »

Sorry, I'm confused. Was that supposed to be a review of Thieve's Guild? Seemed more like the foul-mouthed rantings of a disgruntled streamer to me.

Sorry, I'm confused. Was your post supposed to add something of value to the discussion? If you can't handle coarse language, then please take your prudish bait post elsewhere. Feel free to come back and contribute to the discussion when you're wearing your big boy pants.

Lol discussion. What discussion? I thought you were all here to stroke this guy's ego while patting each other on the back for agreeing with your vaunted interwebz hero. This thread is a support group for tearfull souls who supposedly hate and no longer play this game, same as any other qq thread.

Agreement and disagreement do play a rather large role in discussions. Perhaps if you took time from being so Callous, then we could have a discussion. Fengrush made his case. Now, it's your turn to refute his points and offer some valid reasoning for why you disagree with him. Instead, you insist on flaming others for taking a stance. As a reminder, here's your contribution to this thread thus far...

After reading through this thread, I am certain now that eso is doomed. A streamer I've never heard of and a handfull of forum experts that hang off his jock said so. Their opinions matter to me the most since they "allegedly" no longer play the game.

In the end, it's up to you. You can contribute something of value to the discussion, or you can continue throwing around ad hominems. Your choice.

anitajoneb17_ESO

Regardless of very real formal issues (pedantic use of impolite vocabulary), the main issue is the confusion between :

- There's nothing left for me => game is bad and devs are incompetent
and
- There's nothing left for me => I don't belong to the game's target audience any more, time to move and let target audience enjoy what they have.

.

Malmai

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

Malmai wrote: »

Listen

"Listen", or agree and kowtow?

We dont need KowTow they need to FIX stuff and LAG !

Lysette

RazielSR wrote: »

Now thia Fengrush...not that I dont agree with some of the things he says but...please people...can you read posts from me or others talking in those same topics or replying etc etc...more or less half and a year or more ago?

In short: to mix MMO with TES universe is an ENORMOUS MISTAKE AS ME AND OTHER SAID LONG BEFORE THIS FENGRUSH MAN APPEARED.Thats why NOW even Matt is saying this is an online rpg,not your typical mmo. Step by step ZOS is changing that and understanding that they made a mistake by USING TES NAME in an mmo world.

As many people is saying in this topic,or other topics,TES is about the journey,the lore,the atmosphere...not your typical pshyco virtual killer game just to feed potential fools brains.

Pvp is the sickness of this game. They would just delete it all but I understand it is not possible. Damage was done.

Im here until TESVI anyway. But I have to say that with these kind of dlcs like Orsinium or TG...ZOS is going the right way and Im happy because of that.

me_ming

ADarklore wrote: »

dennischizophrenia wrote: »

ZOS keeps pushing their loyal players further and further away - that's a fact and Feng, well he's right. And after everything we dealt with a rant seems more than acceptable. :P

I wish the game would push more of these guys FURTHER out of the game! The PvP-centric people are the most toxic I've seen in gaming, and the more that leave the better IMO. Hate to break it to you, but this game IS NOT dominated by PvP players- although I know most of you want to convince yourself differently. For your information, this game is dominated by PvE solo-centric players and that is basically how the game was designed. Also, if Matt Firor even comes out and states that this game is more of a RPG than traditional MMO, then that should answer your question about how PvP fits into ESO.

While ZOS does have its fair share of problems, I'm still absolutely loving the game and I've been playing constantly for almost a year now. No, I don't PvP, I am one of the numerous solo-centric PvE players that you normally don't notice because I am too busy doing my own thing and enjoying the game. For those who think that ESO is 'losing players'- they're only losing the kind of players that you associate with... but the overall health of the game is just fine. Example... yesterday afternoon- a MONDAY afternoon- I started a new character and was annoyed because of the sheer number of players in the Wailing Prison, took me forever to reach level six because of how many players kept killing everything so quickly. Doing the Khenarthi's Roost and Auridon quests... same thing... players everywhere. So how can a game that is supposedly 'dying' be so constantly filled on a weekday afternoon with new players?!?

Wait 'til you get to end game, and learn that there really isn't much worth doing anymore.

Waffennacht

@SemiD4rkness what's not a casual game? Then, is this non-casual game available on console?

ButtersEP

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

I agree with Feng on some things, personally I think this video was a lot about him saying "I feel I don't receive the attention I deserve from Zenimax" BUT, he definitely has a few good points, for me its the end game PVE, not scaling the other Trials, the fact the last 2 new dungeons we received with IC are 6 months old currently, and will likely be 9 months (Dark Brotherhood hopefully) before we get new dungeons. Personally by the end of the Year I would like to see a SCT have a log report, and our 8 normal dungeons that don't have veteran versions, get veteran versions. I am a hardcore end game PVE player, I would like to stay challenged the entire time between DLC's. Maybe I will agree with Feng more next Tuesday when XB1 gets TG, we will see !