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Mashille · March 2016

Not My Video. Just thought some more more people should see it.

FENG RUSH Youtube: https://youtube.com/channel/UC0qKzzZV1yf_nnrPQc2YcWA

FENG RUSH Twitch: https://twitch.tv/fengrush/profile

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o33iczl2PxE

KatzMainTank · March 2016

Agree 100% with Feng. He's the only person to not filter his opinion and come up with an opinion that is actually valid for that matter. Unfortunately, ZoS has taken a really great idea and completely shredded it into something mediocre at best. I love both PvE & PvP, but the way they've handled not just balance between both but handled compromise between both portions of the community, is an absolute slap in the face.

I'll never really understand why certain people will stay inside ZoS's sinking ship and keep sucking up water with a smile. I understand people's connection to Elder Scrolls or MMO's, but at the end of the day it boils down to them being in total denial of having invested in a perpetually shattered game. Nobody wants to be the guy who choose wrong, completely understand. To each there own, but as for the rest of us we'll keep questioning ZoS and their competence of their OWN game.

It's one thing for an update/patch/expansion to be tolerable, but where they're going with this game is intolerable to myself and should be to others. I really hope that ZoS can turn this around! This game has so much potential to be the next big name MMO for years to come, but only if they build it right. Marketing and promotions will only go so far until the entire community realizes what you're doing and doesn't just turn on you but leaves with their money elsewhere. Just ask Bungie. Don't be Bungie.

Goodluck to you ZoS. Hope you packed a lunch, it's gonna be a long year...

Humatiel · March 2016

It's a shame I can only agree once.

Miszou · March 2016

meh...

I'm enjoying the game. When I stop enjoying it, I'll cancel my sub and move on.

Such is life.

Acrolas · March 2016

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JubJub · March 2016

It's only a game man.....

Gidorick · March 2016

FENG RUSH makes one fatal mistake in his assessment of ESO... not all of us are "Long Term MMO Players".. many MANY of us are "Long Term TES Players"

But overall... He's pretty spot on with his criticisms.

Shader_Shibes · March 2016

Can't really disagree with anything he said tbh.

EnemyOfDaState · March 2016

Never understood how people can be so arrogant that they think anyone cares when they threaten to leave a game and think that others will follow them. If it is really that bad and there is no hope for the future then go.

Mojmir · March 2016

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

Never understood how people can be so arrogant that they think anyone cares when they threaten to leave a game and think that others will follow them. If it is really that bad and there is no hope for the future then go.

If your videos of gaming have you there to,thats when arrogance begins.

magnusthorek · March 2016

I'm so glad that I'm not the only player who is not "afraid" of speak my mind and point ruthlessly what the hell is going on.

And then, something obscure and not publicly mentioned is changed requiring us to re-accept the TOS (otherwise we can't even login anymore) like if we could even compare to the older text (who is paranoid enough to keep "version control" of TOSs) and we read it carefully just to see that basically the whole Section 6 is a general [snip] off saying exactly what Feng said but with legal speech.

And we can't even sell our game we paid for because we're not allowed to transfer our accounts to someone else. I spent more than 300$ in the game due exchange rates in my country and I'm not the real owner of its licenses. That's unreal!

Company keeps screwing the game, from performance and down to mechanics and content, patch after patch, and I can't get a refund because... oh wait! It's also in the freaking TOS >:(
[edited for profanity bypass]

MacCait · March 2016

Sinking ship? Really?

Speak for yourself on this matter. I and many others enjoy this game, and I personally think its just beginning. Having come from an actual sinking ship, DC Universe Online (DCUO), where the devs really do not care about the game or the players and have a toxic and very greedy attitude, I can tell the difference. Looking at the posts in this forum, the updates, and the community, in my opinion ZOS does care about the game and the players and it seems to me they are always trying to find a way to balance the game and even listen to the players within reason.

I appreciate that balance, especially coming from DCUO where there is NO such thing as balance, and that company just makes tons of money releasing over powered flavor of the month powers so that everybody pays real money to switch to the FOTHM power. In this game there are no replay badges, there is a ton of content that is ever growing, dlc's are epic, and there seems a continual strive for balance, and you do not even need a subscription to play, and you are not limited in any way in the game. If you need a good comparison, leave this game and go join DCUO. I think then you will see this game and the devs through new eyes.

This is such a negative post

Mojmir · March 2016

magnusthorek wrote: »

I'm so glad that I'm not the only player who is not "afraid" of speak my mind and point ruthlessly what the hell is going on.

And then, something obscure and not publicly mentioned is changed requiring us to re-accept the TOS (otherwise we can't even login anymore) like if we could even compare to the older text (who is paranoid enough to keep "version control" of TOSs) and we read it carefully just to see that basically the whole Section 6 is a general [snip] off saying exactly what Feng said but with legal speech.

And we can't even sell our game we paid for because we're not allowed to transfer our accounts to someone else. I spent more than 300$ in the game due exchange rates in my country and I'm not the real owner of its licenses. That's unreal!

Company keeps screwing the game, from performance and down to mechanics and content, patch after patch, and I can't get a refund because... oh wait! It's also in the freaking TOS >:(

We need a hostile takeover!!! Ahem merger
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Samadhi · March 2016

The part where he talks about them being unwilling to remove AoE caps...

When AoE caps were announced, players told ZOS that if the game had AoE caps were in place, PvP would become a lag fest.

They didn't heed the warning, and the lag has become a mess.

Since then, they pour resources into "fixes" like removing deer and torchbugs from Cyrodiil.

At this point, they won't remove AoE caps because it will fix the issue, and that would require ZOS to admit that players were right, and that all the resources they invested into alternate means of approaching the issue were flawed.

ZOS keeps trying to put a band-aid over a bullet hole, while ignoring the insight that the bullet needs to be removed.

Moglijuana · March 2016

@FENGRUSH is the man. Literally touched every subject that irks me about this game and it's developers. I've only been playing since console release and have the utmost respect for the ones who have been here since beta...Idk how you have all dealt with the spew of crap ZOS calls their "updates".

There are SO MANY people who are extremely passionate about this game because it is literally one of the best MMOS to come out...HOWEVER...that number is dying (pretty rapidly) the more ZOS continues to work on spewing out content for the masses rather than addressing the actual issues that are letting this game reach its true potential. Do they care? Hell no. Will they change? Every one and their mother hopes so.

I joined the forums sometime after console release, and in less than a year I have already noticed a lot of names not participating in discussions anymore. Does this not ring any alarms???

I know ZOS reads all these posts ( I mean what else are they going to do? Actually fix broken lines of code? Righhtttttttt) and I honestly have lost 99% of my hopeful thoughts that maybe just MAYBE they will listen to their community and change things for the better (and correctly!)

P.s. I'm 24 and fresh out of college. All my design work is extremely time sensitive. If I EVER, I mean EVERRRRRR submitted any work that was a good comparison to what ZOS haS released as "finished" patches, you could bet your ass I would be jobless from the first time it happened...so whoever is leading you guys, SACK UP BRO. Seriously. People are getting nice and tired of your crappy work ethic. There are smaller indie companies pushing out content that is 100 times better than the stuff you put into live. Don't do it for us (that's a lie do it for us god dammit) do it for yourselves, because the recent updates are an exact representation of your effort.

krees28b14_ESO · March 2016

magnusthorek wrote: »

I'm so glad that I'm not the only player who is not "afraid" of speak my mind and point ruthlessly what the hell is going on.

And then, something obscure and not publicly mentioned is changed requiring us to re-accept the TOS (otherwise we can't even login anymore) like if we could even compare to the older text (who is paranoid enough to keep "version control" of TOSs) and we read it carefully just to see that basically the whole Section 6 is a general [snip] off saying exactly what Feng said but with legal speech.

And we can't even sell our game we paid for because we're not allowed to transfer our accounts to someone else. I spent more than 300$ in the game due exchange rates in my country and I'm not the real owner of its licenses. That's unreal!

Company keeps screwing the game, from performance and down to mechanics and content, patch after patch, and I can't get a refund because... oh wait! It's also in the freaking TOS >:(

Not saying I do not have some feeling towards Feng one way or the other. But, YOU were the one that agreed to the ToS so that is your own fault. If you are unhappy then cut your losses and play another game. Remember that companies respond to money. Take yours somewhere else and see what happens. Eso will either thrive or fold. But why stick around if the game makes you so unhappy?
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Gidorick · March 2016

krees28b14_ESO wrote: »

magnusthorek wrote: »

I'm so glad that I'm not the only player who is not "afraid" of speak my mind and point ruthlessly what the hell is going on.

And then, something obscure and not publicly mentioned is changed requiring us to re-accept the TOS (otherwise we can't even login anymore) like if we could even compare to the older text (who is paranoid enough to keep "version control" of TOSs) and we read it carefully just to see that basically the whole Section 6 is a general [snip] off saying exactly what Feng said but with legal speech.

And we can't even sell our game we paid for because we're not allowed to transfer our accounts to someone else. I spent more than 300$ in the game due exchange rates in my country and I'm not the real owner of its licenses. That's unreal!

Company keeps screwing the game, from performance and down to mechanics and content, patch after patch, and I can't get a refund because... oh wait! It's also in the freaking TOS >:(

Not saying I do not have some feeling towards Feng one way or the other. But, YOU were the one that agreed to the ToS so that is your own fault. If you are unhappy then cut your losses and play another game. Remember that companies respond to money. Take yours somewhere else and see what happens. Eso will either thrive or fold. But why stick around if the game makes you so unhappy?

Wow.. just... wow. So because we agree to the TOS we aren't allowed to criticize or speak out against the dev's decisions? That's rich.
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Kildayen · March 2016

[snip] I agree with some of the things said, but he just sounds like a spoiled brat who isn't getting his way. Move on, already! If ZOS doesn't care about your feelings, and you just keep playing the game, you are showing them that they win. Yeah it sucks, and I wish a lot of things were different, but dude get a hold of yourself.

I've been playing since beta. I hate a lot about this game, but I still play it. I will ***. I will get angry. I have pretty much finished everything there is to do and get bored sometimes. I'm not going to make a 30 minute video about how much I hate it. It is a game and if I get angry or bored, I just stop playing.

Get a grip!

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Vorcil · March 2016

I quit december 2014; had done finished everything and LITERALLY did all trials 100+ times (AA+HRC)

I've just started end of January again; three dlcs, I can see myself going for a little while, but I don't know [snip] people did in 2015 because there wasn't much of a change.
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me_ming · March 2016

Honestly? It's really hard to disagree with Feng Rush on this one. As much as, I don't agree with some of his opinions, this video is just too real and on point. The PTS version of TG is waaaaay better than the live one. I didn't mind it at first, but later on I feel cheated. Because I (or anyone else) didn't deserve to play a beta version of the game. The amount of bugs in TG is just intolerable. It's silly. And there really is no excuse for them to be releasing a DLC that is NOT ready. I understand that games will always have bugs upon release, but it shouldn't feel like you're playing a beta version-- a version that feels like you're still testing it.

Jhunn · March 2016

Vorcil wrote: »

but I don't know [snip] people did in 2015 because there wasn't much of a change.

We spent our time semi-afk while posting, arguing and crying on the forums.
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Andratte · March 2016

He's right. Love the game still but he is right....

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO · March 2016

I have been a long time player as well and was in Beta (took the PC transfer to PS4)..and I agree with alot of what @FENGRUSH has stated.. I do hope they do eventually balance and fix alot of the game though.. I really love this game as well as many, many others, it can be alot of fun and I am one of those looking forward to the PvE of Thieves Guild when it comes to PS4 and the changes that are in store for us when Dark Brotherhood comes next..

I totally believe him that ZOS shuts people out if they are negative though, they seem like they do not want input on "thier Game" and I love and Loathe new DLC's, because of the added content and the bugs that I know will come with it..

I will stay for as long as I can with this game (I definitely have a higher tolerance than others that play this game) and maybe I will see good change coming one day and maybe not..

GreenSoup2HoT · March 2016

I'm just waiting for @ZOS_KaiSchober to close this thread. Kappa.

Can someone please go through the video and censor all of Fengrush's curse word's. I just don't want to see this thread go down because of his language.

I do agree with Fengrush on some of his opinion's. PvP should be priority number one or else a lot of people will move on to other titles.

harrlockk616 · March 2016

got in before lock

Lysette · March 2016

I think Fengrush has no idea about how casuals play and for how long they stay in a game. He said like 3 months and then they are leaving the game - why would they possibly do that?- They have seen like nothing from this game in 3 months, because they do neither rush through the content nor would they spend a lot of time playing - if they get to play 20 hours per month that is already a lot and if they get up to 40 they hit a boundary, where their spouses will start to seriously get mad at them.

For casuals the game content will not run out anytime soon - they simply are not gamers who would consume a game like it would be melting ice cream. They do not burn through the content like being on speed and they do not run around like squirrels from quest to quest - they try to enjoy their time in Tamriel, without stress or the insane idea, that endgame would be what the game would be about - it is not - that what hardcore gamers see as a necessary evil - the PvE content - that is their game. And that Pvp content is not much more than a necessary evil, because they will most likely never get to it anyway.

This game can perfectly live on for many years to come, paid solely by casual players - they might not play a lot, they will as well not be a burden on the servers, but they are willing to keep up a subscription for years to come - because that is what they want - enjoyable entertainment to get back to, whenever they have a couple of hours. They do not seek a challenge, but entertainment, something to get away from reality for a bit - so they stay subscribed, because this is the cheapest seen long term. And that is exactky what ZOS wants as well - reliable income for years to come - so it is a win-win situation - just not for hardcore players.

JD2013 · March 2016

He makes a couple of points. I'm willing to grant you that. But it's completely lost in his own sense of self importance and childish ranting.

Yes, PVP is far from perfect I am certainly willing to admit that. But this balance that you speak of is a myth. In any MMO with PVP that I have ever played there's been more powerful classes, there's been imbalances, there's been discrepancies between abilities. And this is still going on in long running MMO's like World of Warcraft. Go ahead. Go to their forums and look. Even this many years into their game, players are shouting for class balances.

Performance wise in Cyrodiil? Yep, clearly there's a lot of issues. But how can you be so absolutely abd completely sure that if they removed AOE caps that this would magically fix the problem? You can't be. So, if they tried it and it didn't improve the stability and performance in Cyrodiil, then what?

You say that MMO's don't cater exclusively to casuals. This again is very true. In fact, a lot of MMO's have a lot of competitive stuff in their gameplay with PVP like battlegrounds and arenas. ESO doesn't. It's likely going to have Arenas before the year is out, but I'm willing to bet that the biggest chunk of the population of this game is here for Elder Scrolls. Not to be some sort of hardcore experience. Because this game does not and indeed has never promised or promoted itself as a hardcore experience game. In point of fact, in a recent interview, Matt Firor refers to the game as an online RPG as opposed to an MMO. Elder Scrolls has always and will always be about the journey and the stories. Not hardcore PVP experiences.

I do completely agree that patches should not be released that broken and full of bugs as TG was. I would say that patches need at least another month on PTS so that Zeni can get them fixed up better before releasing, but having something on the test server is quite different to having it on live server. Population for one is a big factor. But they certainly need to do more rigorous testing of patches. Because having one in that state can't happen again. They really need to pull their socks up and hire more QA testers.

Now, we all know that the PVP community around here are the most vocal. To that end I would maybe like to see a greater separation of PVP and PVE. As someone who enjoys both activities, this statement may seem odd, but for every cry of ability nerf that Zenimax pays attention to, it affects PVE as well as PVP. Could this be done with different abilities for PVP and PVE? Something else? I don't know the answer, but it would undoubtedly take a lot of work to implement.

There's having passion for a game, and there's sitting and ranting for nearly 30 minutes. If a game caused me this much stress, I would just get the heck out of dodge and find another game. But in the end, you'll come to realise that most, if not all MMO's share common denominators. Balance issues. Things breaking. Am I saying Zenimax are perfect? Gods, no. No game company is a holy grail of perfection, nor will they ever be. That the Thieves Guild patch was so buggy is a really, really really bad move on the part of ZOS. What should have been a smooth implementation of a classic ES Guild has turned sour because it's buried in bugs, and ZOS need to be a heck of a lot more careful with future DLC and game patches. A heck of a lot more.

But this - this is not helping the game either. If you're going to threaten to leave, then either go and find another game that suits you better, or at least have some decency to give actual and constructive feedback rather than creating a song and dance about it all like you deserve some kind of preferential treatment above all other people who play this game.

Mojmir · March 2016

Lysette wrote: »

I think Fengrush has no idea about how casuals play and for how long they stay in a game. He said like 3 months and then they are leaving the game - why would they possibly do that?- They have seen like nothing from this game in 3 months, because they do neither rush through the content nor would they spend a lot of time playing - if they get to play 20 hours per month that is already a lot and if they get up to 40 they hit a boundary, where their spouses will start to seriously get mad at them.

For casuals the game content will not run out anytime soon - they simply are not gamers who would consume a game like it would be melting ice cream. They do not burn through the content like being on speed and they do not run around like squirrels from quest to quest - they try to enjoy their time in Tamriel, without stress or the insane idea, that endgame would be what the game would be about - it is not - that what hardcore gamers see as a necessary evil - the PvE content - that is their game. And that Pvp content is not much more than a necessary evil, because they will most likely never get to it anyway.

This game can perfectly live on for many years to come, paid solely by casual players - they might not play a lot, they will as well not be a burden on the servers, but they are willing to keep up a subscription for years to come - because that is what they want - enjoyable entertainment to get back to, whenever they have a couple of hours. They do not seek a challenge, but entertainment, something to get away from reality for a bit - so they stay subscribed, because this is the cheapest seen long term. And that is exactky what ZOS wants as well - reliable income for years to come - so it is a win-win situation - just not for hardcore players.

so basically in a nut shell: hardcore players,pvp fanatics,and streamers picked the wrong game to invest in. not arguing just interpreting.

Lysette · March 2016

Mojmir wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

I think Fengrush has no idea about how casuals play and for how long they stay in a game. He said like 3 months and then they are leaving the game - why would they possibly do that?- They have seen like nothing from this game in 3 months, because they do neither rush through the content nor would they spend a lot of time playing - if they get to play 20 hours per month that is already a lot and if they get up to 40 they hit a boundary, where their spouses will start to seriously get mad at them.

For casuals the game content will not run out anytime soon - they simply are not gamers who would consume a game like it would be melting ice cream. They do not burn through the content like being on speed and they do not run around like squirrels from quest to quest - they try to enjoy their time in Tamriel, without stress or the insane idea, that endgame would be what the game would be about - it is not - that what hardcore gamers see as a necessary evil - the PvE content - that is their game. And that Pvp content is not much more than a necessary evil, because they will most likely never get to it anyway.

This game can perfectly live on for many years to come, paid solely by casual players - they might not play a lot, they will as well not be a burden on the servers, but they are willing to keep up a subscription for years to come - because that is what they want - enjoyable entertainment to get back to, whenever they have a couple of hours. They do not seek a challenge, but entertainment, something to get away from reality for a bit - so they stay subscribed, because this is the cheapest seen long term. And that is exactky what ZOS wants as well - reliable income for years to come - so it is a win-win situation - just not for hardcore players.

so basically in a nut shell: hardcore players,pvp fanatics,and streamers picked the wrong game to invest in. not arguing just interpreting.

Of course they did - like Mr. Firor said lately, this is not the typical MMO but more of an expansive online Elder Scrolls RPG. And that is what it is going to be, you expect the wrong thing, if you think it will ever be something else.

Samadhi · March 2016

JD2013 wrote: »

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Performance wise in Cyrodiil? Yep, clearly there's a lot of issues. But how can you be so absolutely abd completely sure that if they removed AOE caps that this would magically fix the problem? You can't be. So, if they tried it and it didn't improve the stability and performance in Cyrodiil, then what?
...

When AoE caps were announced, players told ZOS that it would result in players bunching up close together to mitigate damage, which would in turn cause lag.
Since then, everyone bunches up to mitigate damage, and whenever they do so there is lag.

It is indeed possible that the lag is caused by something else, but every "else" they have tried has not fixed it.
Worst case scenario -- the lag does not get fixed and people whine about zergballs being killed by small groups until the cap goes back into place.
Best case scenario -- the lag gets fixed, ZOS has to admit that players were right, and that their alternate solutions were a waste of both player and worker time.

The only reason not to try it at this point is fear of looking bad because it worked.

JD2013 · March 2016

Samadhi wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

...
Performance wise in Cyrodiil? Yep, clearly there's a lot of issues. But how can you be so absolutely abd completely sure that if they removed AOE caps that this would magically fix the problem? You can't be. So, if they tried it and it didn't improve the stability and performance in Cyrodiil, then what?
...

When AoE caps were announced, players told ZOS that it would result in players bunching up close together to mitigate damage, which would in turn cause lag.
Since then, everyone bunches up to mitigate damage, and whenever they do so there is lag.

It is indeed possible that the lag is caused by something else, but every "else" they have tried has not fixed it.
Worst case scenario -- the lag does not get fixed and people whine about zergballs being killed by small groups until the cap goes back into place.
Best case scenario -- the lag gets fixed, ZOS has to admit that players were right, and that their alternate solutions were a waste of both player and worker time.

The only reason not to try it at this point is fear of looking bad because it worked.

And I indeed am not saying this wouldn't work. But I'm not sure it's the magical fix that people are making it out to be.

However getting people to stop balling up would be a good start.