Guys, I am trying to find the DK execute skill, where i....oh wait....its gone....RIP.
Molten Armaments was good. Especially because it could be used for both Stamina and Magicka Setups!

@Alcast you are great players, is the chance that stam dk use as magicka dk?

Will be stam dk usefull for pve, or not?

Xantaria wrote: »

Honestly, Molten Armaments and Igneous Weapons had very interesting Mechanics and now it's just gone and rendered completely useless.

I want the old versions back!

Somewhere there is a happy marriage between the old, the new, and the old old (i.e. 1.5), because all iterations of the skill were useful ... just not useful to everybody. As a magicka DK, the version on Live has zero use to me but the one on the PTS does.

In general I do not like ZoS's formula where a base skill ONLY gets majority brutality OR sorcery. It's a complete waste of a morph because any build remorely interested in the skill will take the other half of the brutality/sorcery morph. Stop playing favorites ZoS and have the base skill grant both brutality AND sorcery, so both your magicka and stamina players are pleased and then you can present us with more interesting & viable morphs.

I said it earlier- and I'm saying it again (just in case it was missed):

Make Lava Whip the DK's execute. Give it two morphs.

Molten Whip (magick morph): While slotted, the damage of Ardent Flame Abilities is increased by (x). Causes 250% more damage against targets under 35% health.

Spiked Whip (stamina morph): This ability now scales off Stamina and Weapon power. Gain (x) stamina if target is killed. Causes 250% more damage against targets under 35% health.

That's a little too much damage maybe 100% is a bit more reasonable.[/quote]

Ha 250% would put it on par with something like Ransack. Whip does literally no damage in Cyrodil, none.

I also don't think DKs need an execute.

In regards to Lava Whip being underwhelming, couldn't we add an effect to the healing morph (I always forget it's name) that deals extra damage when the target is affected by an Ardent Flame DoT? Maybe based on the time that DoT has been on the target. To balance it with PvE, slightly decrease the damage of the DoTs (make sure that the combination still deals more damage) and increase the damage of the other morph, for PvE purposes.

Ardent Flame

Unrelenting Grip - Turned to stamina and physical damage.

Burning Embers - Damage/heal scales based on max resource so both stamina and magicka can use it to its full potential. Because Dragonknights need a self heal that isnt crap. Either this OR the Dragon Blood change below. Not both.

Flame Lash - Turned to stamina. Because people seem to want it?

Flames of Oblivion - Add toggle in options to hide the hovering fireball even if its just for the player. Because I hate it.



Draconic Power

Hardened Armor - Turned to stamina and physical damage.

Choking Talons - Turned to stamina

Dragon Blood - Turned to heal over time while over 50% health that heals for 33% of your max health over X seconds. While under 50% health it instantly heals for 33% of your missing health as it does currently and cancels out the heal over time effect so they cant stack.
Changes animation: Similar to flames of oblivion, character roars and is surrounded by flame, eyes burst into flame(similar to inner light effect). Because I dislike being a floating heart.

Green Dragon Blood - Turned to stamina. Every heal tick also restores 100-300 stamina.

Deep breath - Turned to stamina and physical damage?

Iron Skin - Block an additional 10% damage and reduce cost of blocking by an additional 10%.

Burning Heart - Increases healing recieved by 10% while a draconic power ability is slotted.

Elder Dragon - Increases health recovery by 5% and max health by 2% for each draconic power ability slotted.

Scaled Armor - Increases Physical and Spell resistances by 5120.



Earthen Heart

Stone Giant > Molten Fist - Becomes melee range, cost reduction and turned to stamina. Deals X physical damage to the enemy. Deals 300% extra physical damage if target is below 25%. If the enemy is killed with this ability you create a fiery explosion of rocks and fire dealing X physical damage instantly and Y flame damage to up to 6 nearby targets over X seconds.
Basically your fist turns into molten rock and fire that you use to punch the enemy in his stupid face until he dies. Maybe add a new animation too like a jump punch or fiery uppercut.


Igneous Weapons - Increases weapon and spell damage by 20% to you and everyone in your group. You burn 100-300 enemy stamina + magicka and invigorate yourself restoring 200-400 stamina with light and heavy attacks. Magicka gets stronger heavy attacks, stamina gets better stamina recovery

Fragmented Shield - Turned to stamina and physical damage.

Cinder Storm - Turned to stamina. Grants evasion when standing in the area of effect.

Eternal Mountain - Increases duration of Earthen Heart abilities by 20%. Reduced damage taken by 5% while a Earthen Heart ability is active.





While I'm at it...


Heavy Armour

Resolve - Increases physical and spell resistances by 2174. Each rank adds an effect reduction to fracture and breach applied to you. At 3/3 fracture and breach effects are 66% less effective. Only works when wearing 5 or more heavy armour pieces.

Constitution - Dont know. Just needs to be better.

Juggernaut - Increases max health and reduces damage taken by 1% per piece of heavy armour equipped.

Bracing > Phalanx - Decrease stamina cost of blocking by 30% and increases damage blocked by 20%.

Faulgor wrote: »

Purdomination33 wrote: »

Why am I reading so much about "Stam DK's in a good place?"

Because of this:

Faulgor wrote: »

Class skills I use on my Stamina Dragonknight
Skill points spent: 54

Ardent Flame
Standard of Might
Empowering Chains
Unstable Flame
Burning Breath
Flames of Oblivion
Kindling
Warmth
Searing Heat
World in Flame

Draconic Power
Take Flight
Hardened Armor
Choking Talons
Green Dragon Blood
Dragon Fire Scale
Iron Skin
Burning Heart
Elder Dragon
Scaled Armor

Earthen Heart
Corrosive Armor
Igneous Weapons
Igneous Shield
Fossilize
Cinder Storm
Eternal Mountain
Battle Roar
Mountain's Blessing
Helping Hands

Class skills I use on my Stamina Nightblade
Skill points spent: 50

Assassination
Soul Harvest
Killer's Blade
Ambush
Double Take
Piercing Mark
Relentless Focus
Master Assassin
Executioner
Pressure Points
Hemorrhage

Shadow
Bolstering Darkness
Dark Cloak
Surprise Attack
Mass Hysteria
Shadow Image
Refreshing Shadows
Shadow Barrier
Dark Vigor
Dark Veil

Siphoning
Soul Tether
Siphoning Attacks
Catalyst
Magicka Flood
Soul Siphoner
Transfer

Class skills I use on my Stamina Sorcerer
Skill points spent: 36

Dark Magic
Restraining Prison
Defensive Rune
Dark Deal
Unholy Knowledge
Blood Magic
Persistence

Daedric Summoning
Greater Storm Atronach
Bound Armaments
Power Stone
Daedric Protection

Stormcalling
Energy Overload
Boundless Storm
Critical Surge
Streak
Capacitor
Energized
Disintegrate
Expert Mage

Class skills I use on my Stamina Templar
Skill points spent: 20

Aedric Spear
Biting Jabs
Blinding Javelin
Piercing Spear
Spear Wall
Burning Light
Balanced Warrior

Dawn's Wrath
Restoring Spirit

Restoring Light
Repentance
Purifying Ritual
Focused Healing

+/- a few here or there depending on the build.
Hope you notice the trend.

Stamina DKs have a-ma-zing utility from their magicka abilities and passives. NBs are very similar in this regard, except they also have a spammable stamina-based attack and in turn fall behind DKs in survivability.
From the point of view of almost any other build, stamina DKs look fantastic.

Draconic Power

1. Take Flight

Launch yourself at an enemy, dealing (x) Physical Damage to all enemies in the area and knocking them back.

Short simple, viable in all situations, Looks great. This is responsible for most of the non stam dk Q.Q ...

Counters> cant cast while rooted(even though its an ultimate, ima use this same argument meteor users used) Can be canceled by jabs or any attack even light attacks(glitched wings anyone?)....can be dodged(meteor cannot be dodged but thats ok thats why we cc before we leap like it should be) can be blocked(but unlike meteor it doesn't follow you to the ends of the world) you would think if we take flight we would be able to control where we flew... like with wings and all... but i guess not ... still a viable and good ulti for stamina DK.

2. Hardened Armor

Release your inner dragon to gain Major Resolve and Major Ward, increasing Armor and Spell Resistance by (x) for 20 seconds.
While active, the armor returns (x) Physical Damage to melee attackers and for 3.5 seconds after activation, it absorbs up to (x) of your Max Health in damage.

Viable for certain builds and aoe detect.

3. Choking Talons

Call forth talons from the ground to deal (x) Physical Damage and immobilize nearby enemies for 4 seconds.
Talons also afflict enemies with Minor Maim, reducing their damage by 15% for 4 seconds.
While enemies are held, an ally can activate the Impale synergy, dealing (x) Physical Damage to enemies held within talons.

Would be a potentially great synergy with tanking except it cost... magicka. But deals physical damage... hmmm something that does physical damage shouldn't cost magicka... but well here is room for another stamina morph.

4. Green Dragon Blood

Draw on your draconic blood to heal 33% of missing Health.
Also grants Major Fortitude and Major Endurance, increasing Health and Stamina Regeneration by 20 percent.

Viable is questionable... as a self heal as it was intended no. But the recovery this gives for the duration it gives us Yes. If this would instead heal 33 percent of missing health unaffected by the major mending or battle spirit then this would be an ok class heal.

5. Dragon Fire Scale

Flex your scales to reflect up to 4 projectiles over 4 seconds.
The reflected projectiles deal 20% additional damage to the attacker.

Viable. Shouldnt reflect 4 meteors but should either absorb one even partially (like harness magicka) or to reflect one it should cost as much as they used to cast it, if you dont have the ultimate built up for it then you wont be able to reflect it.

6. Iron Skin

Block an additional 10% damage.

Viable? Not really...

If this is supposed to be my skin and its iron why would be about blocking... If this is supposed to help DK mitigate damage why not instead reduce light attacks by (x) percent and heavy attacks by (x) and have the effect stacking the more light/heavy attacks you are hit with in (x) seconds reducing the amount of damage you take from skills by (x) afterwards. Cause if you strike iron rapidly your weapon should dull faster and become a butter knife.

7. Burning Heart

Increases healing received by 12% while a Draconic ability is activated.

Viable? only if you use green dragons blood, or harden armor. But one of the those two are not really up to par with other class heals. Situational to get the benifits of this passive.. yes.

8. Elder Dragon

Increases Health Recovery by 4% for each Draconic Power ability slotted.

Viable? not really... Even if it increased health recovery by 25 percent by having all draconic power abilities and out of those abilities listed maybe only the ultimate and the harden armor really make it anywhere... green dragons blood where we are paying 3.5k magicka for the regen every 24 seconds... takes up a slot and is not useful as a self heal... even with the massive cost.

If this is supposed to be a DKs sustainment passive, Why not instead just increase Stamina, Magicka, And Health recovery by just flat out (x) percent. While having a draconic ability activated.

9. Scaled Armor

Increases Spell Resistance by (on mines its 3300) I guess this is supposed to be a resistance passive, but nothing for physical resistance cause its outdated. Just like the old CP tree.

With penetration in the CP tree being the way it is even if we had a spell/physical resistance passive it would get very easily negated rendering this passive useless and a waste of skill points.

If this passive is supposed to be about our natural Armor it should instead give us reduced damage by 6 percent. If you're worried about this stacking with the racial passives rugged for a total of 12 percent mitigation it would give a viable reason to play other classes with rugged and not just give all the bonuses favoring the burst dps meta.

Also Khajiit gets 10 percent stamina recovery, breton gets cost reduction and max magic, redguard is the same but with stamina, the Bosmer gets increased stamina regen, Dunmer Max magicka/stamina same with orc, Altmer gets magicka and max magicka, Argonians is like wtf.... Nord is like resist frost by like 2k (on top of the fact that frost staffs is one weapon out of the many staffs you can use let alone frost spells...) so they threw a bone and added max health.. and that Health recovery passive... like what the hell.... Any thing Health RECOVERY should be removed as a passive. Anyways those are racial passives and thats besides the point of this thread.

LorDrek wrote: »

Will be stam dk usefull for pve, or not?

Yes, it is still good, dont worry

Targuris wrote: »

Purdomination33 wrote: »

That's a little too much damage maybe 100% is a bit more reasonable.

Ha 250% would put it on par with something like Ransack. Whip does literally no damage in Cyrodil, none.

"My whip has an 8k tooltip with 32% more damage due to racials and cp it could be adjusted but that would be insane for it to do 2.5x more damage"


Gents,
I was trying to make it comparable to these Executes:

Radiant Oppression:
Burn an enemy with a ray of holy fire, dealing Magic Damage over 3 seconds.
Deals up to 20% additional damage in proportion to your current Magicka.
Targets with less than 50% Health take up to 330% additional damage.
Can critically hit.

Killer's Blade:
Thrust a magic blade with a lethal precision to stab an enemy for [x] Magic Damage.
Causes 300% more damage to targets with 25% Heath or less remaining.
Heals you for 17% Max Health if the target dies within 2 seconds.
Now scales off Stamina and Weapon Damage and heals you if target dies within two seconds of use.

Mage's Wrath:
Call down lighting to strike an enemy for [x] Shock Damage.
If target enemy’s Health falls below 20% within 4 seconds, an explosion deals an additional [y] Shock Damage to the target and [z] Shock Damage to other enemies nearby.
Explosion deals more damage.

Parafrost wrote: »

All classes except dks got a execute, so yes DK should get an execute.. To the person saying 250% is too much, you gotta realize Templars Execute is 300% and thats xk dmg over 3 seconds. 250% is not much to ask for.

Templars is 330%, every other classes is 300% i think.

jaburns wrote: »

@Parafrost @leepalmer95

I quite literally posted the percentages just above both of your messages.

Good for you?

jaburns wrote: »

You wouldn't need to say:

"Templars is 330%, every other classes is 300% i think."

No guessing involved.

Isn't it rather obvious that i never read your post?