Not going back to veteran Maelstrom Arena until it is nerfed on consoles.

found1779 · December 2015

Seen a mod commented on this post I thought it was them talking about the subject it's self but it was just a warning about not getting along I wished they showed posted that was actually about the subject on the thread it's self and post from mods about forum rules didn't show up on the thread saying as mod commented I see no reason for it

Personofsecrets · December 2015

There have been at least 200 hundred people who play ESO complete the arena. No need to nerf anything.

Ezareth · December 2015

rdbrown1987 wrote: »

I use a gamepad with xpadder I do perfectly fine, my issues is I smoke too much between each round so my time sucks ^^

see video below I did this afternoon of rounds 1-4 naked before I had to go do RL stuff, hopefully in the near future I'll do a vid for 1-9 for naked fun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vKw_7lzRrQ

That's actually pretty funny.

pdebie64b16_ESO · December 2015

Xantaria wrote: »

Paulington wrote: »

To assuage some curiosity, I decided I needed to do Veteran Maelstrom Arena with a PS4 controller to prove that whilst it makes it harder, it does not make it impossible.

https://youtu.be/uHzr7kQycbs

This is the last boss, it was easy enough, not as easy as with KB+M but just fine. This is my first ever run with a controller and I managed to do it with one death to a total screen freeze that locked my screen for over seven seconds and caused me to die, otherwise it would have been Flawless. The "extra" death I had was because I forgot to wayshrine to repair my gear so I just suicided. .

To finish vMA you need decent gear for your class in at least purple quality, a decent amount of CP (150 or so) and just to practice, practice and practice. Spend a few sessions wiping and using 500 soul gems and you will learn it so you never really die anymore.

This content is not too difficult, however I would like for it to have a save function that meant you weren't eligible for leaderboards as I do recognise some people have issues with this and it doesn't affect anyone else so why not? Once you get practiced and do it 10 or so times you will be doing a whole run in less than ninety minutes, I am sure the majority of ESO players can sit down and play ESO for ninety minutes just fine without having their cat catch fire or having the ceiling cave in.

I think the vitriol and sensationalism needs to stop surrounding vMA. Yes, it is hard but not impossible. Spend time practicing and refining your setup and you will do just fine.

For the curious, I also did it without addons:

https://youtu.be/8kGGFVoN9lw

Same thing, harder but nowhere near impossible.

This just shows that the console guys (plebs) are just bad at MMOs ... they don't have the experience needed to cope with content like this. Look how easy this guy clears it with a PS4 Controller and no Addons. The only difference between you and him is his experience. In other words: L2P issue! Console people are not used to work towards something. Not calling all of you out but those who complain.

Its not only a LtP issue, some players like me are older and not as fast as players who are in there twenties, i have solod Craglorn bosses and group delves in the past but Vmsa is much harder and i cant complete it even with legendary gear and capped cp. Just to many mechanics at the same time to handle.

Rayste · December 2015

Difficulty aside, the rewards for completing this need to be better. The gear sets and weapons seem lackluster. Maybe I am missing something. I received a sharpened 2hnd axe my last complete This weapon looks perfect at first glance for my DK, but I am actually still not using it as it messes up a set bonus I have going. It shouldnt even be a choice, I should NEED to equip this if I am running 2hnder spec.

I can confirm that it gets easier with each run (improved from 357 to 27000 score this time) and finished it in around 3 hours. It is however frustrating and the first few runs aren't really worth the effort required. I believe I spent 9 hours in there the first Saturday I attempted.

If a save function cant be implemented, they may consider doing a couple things:

1) make the rewards better to garner more participation
2) scale down some of the more troublesome levels

Only so many will run this out of the 'competition' factor alone. And we will be competing against the same people over and over. How many new storm proof titles do you see daily? How long has this been out?

Edit: problem levels for me are as follows (your mileage may vary)

1) Stage 6 - ill timed swarms or missed spiders cost me a few deaths just about everytime
2) Stage 9 - Boss fight with crematorial guards / healer at the start always results in a few deaths as it is a definite dps race. Missed ghosts are also a reset.

nimander99 · December 2015

I actually thought I was pretty good at this game till I played regular MA and couldn't beat it...

blabafat · December 2015

"who use macroes"

....really? lol

Also, it's endgame content. It SHOULD be challenging. It SHOULD NOT be a one time run through easy mode for casual players. If you don't have the gear and skill, don't try it.

pronkg · December 2015

pdebie64b16_ESO wrote: »

Xantaria wrote: »

Paulington wrote: »

To assuage some curiosity, I decided I needed to do Veteran Maelstrom Arena with a PS4 controller to prove that whilst it makes it harder, it does not make it impossible.

https://youtu.be/uHzr7kQycbs

This is the last boss, it was easy enough, not as easy as with KB+M but just fine. This is my first ever run with a controller and I managed to do it with one death to a total screen freeze that locked my screen for over seven seconds and caused me to die, otherwise it would have been Flawless. The "extra" death I had was because I forgot to wayshrine to repair my gear so I just suicided. .

To finish vMA you need decent gear for your class in at least purple quality, a decent amount of CP (150 or so) and just to practice, practice and practice. Spend a few sessions wiping and using 500 soul gems and you will learn it so you never really die anymore.

This content is not too difficult, however I would like for it to have a save function that meant you weren't eligible for leaderboards as I do recognise some people have issues with this and it doesn't affect anyone else so why not? Once you get practiced and do it 10 or so times you will be doing a whole run in less than ninety minutes, I am sure the majority of ESO players can sit down and play ESO for ninety minutes just fine without having their cat catch fire or having the ceiling cave in.

I think the vitriol and sensationalism needs to stop surrounding vMA. Yes, it is hard but not impossible. Spend time practicing and refining your setup and you will do just fine.

For the curious, I also did it without addons:

https://youtu.be/8kGGFVoN9lw

Same thing, harder but nowhere near impossible.

This just shows that the console guys (plebs) are just bad at MMOs ... they don't have the experience needed to cope with content like this. Look how easy this guy clears it with a PS4 Controller and no Addons. The only difference between you and him is his experience. In other words: L2P issue! Console people are not used to work towards something. Not calling all of you out but those who complain.

Its not only a LtP issue, some players like me are older and not as fast as players who are in there twenties, i have solod Craglorn bosses and group delves in the past but Vmsa is much harder and i cant complete it even with legendary gear and capped cp. Just to many mechanics at the same time to handle.

Sorry but getting older also means you have to accept you can't do everything anymore. If you know you can't handle it, just forget about it.

I can't do craglorn stuff cause I don't have the time to get a guild with team speak or whatever. I've accepted that and moved on. I've beat VMA several times, but still haven't beaten DSA even on normal cause I can't solo it.

I just said okay, this is 4 man group content with no group finder. This is not for me.

Never set foot in sanctum Ophedia.

Never set foot in hel Ra citadel.

Can I blame zenimax for me not being able to do this content even though I paid for it? No I can't

It is as it is. If you can't do it you can't do it, nothing more.

azoriangaming · December 2015

Ezareth wrote: »

rdbrown1987 wrote: »

I use a gamepad with xpadder I do perfectly fine, my issues is I smoke too much between each round so my time sucks ^^

see video below I did this afternoon of rounds 1-4 naked before I had to go do RL stuff, hopefully in the near future I'll do a vid for 1-9 for naked fun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vKw_7lzRrQ

That's actually pretty funny.

it's what happens when i get bored i get naked

Casdha · December 2015

From a few posts here, I will say again. I don't want this content to be nerfed

What I do want is a solo version of Battle spirit or something like it for Maelstrom that effectively kills the Alliance and Undaunted skill lines.

This is a solo arena and everyone doing a solo arena should be on even ground. The advantage shouldn't be given to folks who like to PvP and/or do Undaunted (group) content in a solo arena.

Example: Don't try it on Stamina build without Vigor,,,, I will probably never have Vigor, It is not a Solo skill

MrDerrikk · December 2015

I can't believe I just read all of that...some of the arguments on here remind me of why I stay away from Tumblr...

Dubhliam · December 2015

pronkg wrote: »

...
3. Maybe even be able to practice stages at your choice without rewards.

There IS one such thing, it is called normal Maelstrom Arena.
If it's too easy for you, just go naked and practice your heart out.

found1779 · December 2015

the polymorph should be added to the normal version also

Cîanai · December 2015

found1779 wrote: »

the polymorph should be added to the normal version also

And you should get weekly rewards.

Dubhliam · December 2015

Cîanai wrote: »

found1779 wrote: »

the polymorph should be added to the normal version also

And you should get weekly rewards.

And Maelstrom weapons.

pronkg · December 2015

Dubhliam wrote: »

Cîanai wrote: »

found1779 wrote: »

the polymorph should be added to the normal version also

And you should get weekly rewards.

And Maelstrom weapons.

And a ferrari

Urnbak · December 2015

zornyan wrote: »

Justice31st wrote: »

I am tired of these 1% players who keep posting veteran malestrom arena videos who have the best gear, items and maxed out champion points. Many use keyboard macros and other cheats. I don't know why ZOS even cares to use these players as the dungeon difficulty example. In reality, the majority of eso players are struggling to even complete veteran maelstrom arena; let alone have a chance at the new master weapons, and especially on console. Just look at the leaderboards. I do not understand why ZOS wants the majority % of eso players to rage quit the game. @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert

And also inb4 the elitist and L2P groupies.

Here is a quick list of reasos why malestrom arena needs to be nerfed on console.

1. 9 trait gear needed.
2. Massive repair, food, potion cost.
3. Horribly designed catered to ranged and primarily sorcerers.
4. Having to respect to a min/max build in order to get the best chance possible.
5. Champion point heavily dependent.
6. No addons on consoles which give a big advantage.

Feel free to add to the list below with your own frusterations about the veteran Maelstrom Arena.

Just to help you out a bit here, since your obviously very salty.

1. People are using sets like hundings or julianos. This is 6 trait gear. They have done deathless runs with 6 trait gear.
2. Repair costs have been nerfed, gold is easy to come by, pots are dropped everywhere and cheap to buy in stacks
3. Not catered to sorcs, every build in the game can be ranged, sorcs have an easier time because of shields
4. Not really, just use a decent build, you actually need a bit more health and regen so min/max isn't optimal
5. Again nope, people have done deathless runs on 150cp, with the catch up mechanic every new player making a vr16 char will have 200 cp by vr16.
6. Addons help, but not an advantage , is knowing your dps going to make you avoid the water on round 3? Is having addons going to prevent the poison from killing you in round 7? Nope.

It's not that bad actually, many people have completed it on console, just because you lack the skill doesn't mean it needs nerfing, go player normal.

I think the issue is console players haven't had their skills tested before, when I played on console nobody really did vet pledges, those that did struggled to understand builds and mechanics, I've seen so many people struggle on even normal arena which is a walk in the park.

The first time I did normal it took my ps4 friends a week to beat, they told me it was extemely difficult and they struggled, I went in and did it in under an hour, with 1 death. Because it's easy.

OMG you must be so elitist...easy for one is hard for another, just coz you can do it easy doesn't mean others should.

More and more games are catering for elitist players and the casual is being neglected, thats why i don't play LOL it's full of elitist jerks.

pronkg · December 2015

Urnbak wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

Justice31st wrote: »

I am tired of these 1% players who keep posting veteran malestrom arena videos who have the best gear, items and maxed out champion points. Many use keyboard macros and other cheats. I don't know why ZOS even cares to use these players as the dungeon difficulty example. In reality, the majority of eso players are struggling to even complete veteran maelstrom arena; let alone have a chance at the new master weapons, and especially on console. Just look at the leaderboards. I do not understand why ZOS wants the majority % of eso players to rage quit the game. @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert

And also inb4 the elitist and L2P groupies.

Here is a quick list of reasos why malestrom arena needs to be nerfed on console.

1. 9 trait gear needed.
2. Massive repair, food, potion cost.
3. Horribly designed catered to ranged and primarily sorcerers.
4. Having to respect to a min/max build in order to get the best chance possible.
5. Champion point heavily dependent.
6. No addons on consoles which give a big advantage.

Feel free to add to the list below with your own frusterations about the veteran Maelstrom Arena.

Just to help you out a bit here, since your obviously very salty.

1. People are using sets like hundings or julianos. This is 6 trait gear. They have done deathless runs with 6 trait gear.
2. Repair costs have been nerfed, gold is easy to come by, pots are dropped everywhere and cheap to buy in stacks
3. Not catered to sorcs, every build in the game can be ranged, sorcs have an easier time because of shields
4. Not really, just use a decent build, you actually need a bit more health and regen so min/max isn't optimal
5. Again nope, people have done deathless runs on 150cp, with the catch up mechanic every new player making a vr16 char will have 200 cp by vr16.
6. Addons help, but not an advantage , is knowing your dps going to make you avoid the water on round 3? Is having addons going to prevent the poison from killing you in round 7? Nope.

It's not that bad actually, many people have completed it on console, just because you lack the skill doesn't mean it needs nerfing, go player normal.

I think the issue is console players haven't had their skills tested before, when I played on console nobody really did vet pledges, those that did struggled to understand builds and mechanics, I've seen so many people struggle on even normal arena which is a walk in the park.

The first time I did normal it took my ps4 friends a week to beat, they told me it was extemely difficult and they struggled, I went in and did it in under an hour, with 1 death. Because it's easy.

OMG you must be so elitist...easy for one is hard for another, just coz you can do it easy doesn't mean others should.

More and more games are catering for elitist players and the casual is being neglected, thats why i don't play LOL it's full of elitist jerks.

I'm sorry,
But ESO is very very catered to casuals.

Can't we just keep this one thing as a challenge?

Justice31st · December 2015

Callous2208 wrote: »

Catblade wrote: »

All the big shots in here telling ppl L2P. This is why no one wants to play ESO. Look at the numbers again 0.1% and 0.2% is not acceptable. L2math

It's really sad when people throw out insults and l2p, then post a video of themselves completing it with the class/build that most of us can do it with our eyes closed on now. I'm not calling for nerfs just yet but let's all stop posting our flawless sorc runs and spouting l2p like it's the same for every class.

^This

Justice31st · December 2015

pronkg wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

Catblade wrote: »

All the big shots in here telling ppl L2P. This is why no one wants to play ESO. Look at the numbers again 0.1% and 0.2% is not acceptable. L2math

It's really sad when people throw out insults and l2p, then post a video of themselves completing it with the class/build that most of us can do it with our eyes closed on now. I'm not calling for nerfs just yet but let's all stop posting our flawless sorc runs and spouting l2p like it's the same for every class.

Ignore those comments, cause yeah that's no comparison. Still... Having cleared it a couple of times now it mostly comes down to the fact you need to know the place like the back of your hand in order to finish. The difference between sorc and stamina users is on a sorc you can make a mistake here and there and still survive cause of shield. Stamina users don't have this privilege.

I think the whole reputation of sorcs being able to finish it easily is what causes loads of people to give up to fast. Also it's costly so many people don't think it's worth it and I agree.

I don't want this place to be nerfed and I'm gonna try on my Stam Nb as well. I'm pretty positive I'll be able to finish it on stam.

What I would really like to see as a solution to the time and cost is

1. Allow people to save once or twice (not infinitely) so you can come back later and resume

2. Have the merchant offer free repairs.

3. Maybe even be able to practice stages at your choice without rewards.

And this^

Jura23 · December 2015

found1779 wrote: »

Seen a mod commented on this post I thought it was them talking about the subject it's self but it was just a warning about not getting along I wished they showed posted that was actually about the subject on the thread it's self and post from mods about forum rules didn't show up on the thread saying as mod commented I see no reason for it

Yeah I came here to see if some devs posted here anything constructive, but nope...

Personofsecrets · December 2015

Yea this is the only challenge in the game at the moment, but really anyone can do it with a few hours of practice here or there. It's not that hard people.

Nifty2g · December 2015

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Yea this is the only challenge in the game at the moment, but really anyone can do it with a few hours of practice here or there. It's not that hard people.

That is true, it really is the only challenge left in the game PvE wise because everything has been nerfed into the ground. But that said, 95% of the community is not ready for this solo play, and here is why

ESO is very demanding combat system, you're either geared right or you're not. Honestly I blame all the people who wanted SOLO content and not GROUP content, back when Orsinium was announced and the content was teased I posted this http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/222134/orsinium-where-is-the-raid-group-play/p1

A lot of people in the thread were happy for Maelstrom and they wanted the solo content, now that it is out I wonder how many people in there have actually beaten it and how many of them are competitive with it, that said it is clear that Maelstrom is quickly dying out as there is no reward, no gear grind, nothing to sell, no motivation to keep running it.

ZOS took the wrong direction and as I said, they should have released a trial or a new 4man/2man arena before solo content. The first proper PvE content in over a year was a solo arena; an extremely challenging one that hardly any of the players are even ready for or geared to do so.

The so called "solo" players are the ones who are taking the game in a direction it wasn't even meant to be in, the whole point and advertised was ESO to be an MMO, the combat system is resolved around synergies. And it really shines out in solo play that some classes are clearly not made for this type of thing.

Justice31st · December 2015

Nifty2g wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Yea this is the only challenge in the game at the moment, but really anyone can do it with a few hours of practice here or there. It's not that hard people.

That is true, it really is the only challenge left in the game PvE wise because everything has been nerfed into the ground. But that said, 95% of the community is not ready for this solo play, and here is why

ESO is very demanding combat system, you're either geared right or you're not. Honestly I blame all the people who wanted SOLO content and not GROUP content, back when Orsinium was announced and the content was teased I posted this http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/222134/orsinium-where-is-the-raid-group-play/p1

A lot of people in the thread were happy for Maelstrom and they wanted the solo content, now that it is out I wonder how many people in there have actually beaten it and how many of them are competitive with it, that said it is clear that Maelstrom is quickly dying out as there is no reward, no gear grind, nothing to sell, no motivation to keep running it.

ZOS took the wrong direction and as I said, they should have released a trial or a new 4man/2man arena before solo content. The first proper PvE content in over a year was a solo arena; an extremely challenging one that hardly any of the players are even ready for or geared to do so.

The so called "solo" players are the ones who are taking the game in a direction it wasn't even meant to be in, the whole point and advertised was ESO to be an MMO, the combat system is resolved around synergies. And it really shines out in solo play that some classes are clearly not made for this type of thing.

^Well put. In addition from either being geared or not; you either have a maxed out class more suitable for vMA or not. Class imbalances have hurt the Maelstrom Arena tremendously.

Rhazmuz · December 2015

Personofsecrets wrote: »

There have been at least 200 hundred people who play ESO complete the arena. No need to nerf anything.

Cant tell if trollin or...

Ethromelb14_ESO · December 2015

Justice31st wrote: »

I am tired of seeing a majority of these 1% players who keep posting veteran Malestrom Arena videos who have the best gear, items and maxed out champion points. Many use keyboard macros and other cheats or have addons to also help do the work for them. I don't know why ZOS even cares to use these players as the dungeon difficulty example. In reality, the majority of ESO players are struggling to even complete veteran maelstrom arena; let alone have a chance at the new master weapons, and especially on console. Just look at the leaderboards or trophy % achievement. I do not understand why ZOS wants the majority % of eso players to rage quit the game. @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert (Tagged just to hopefully get a "soon" or /lurk) @ZOS_Alex ( tagged because he enjoys giving me warnings)

@L2P_Groupies @elitist (And also tagged inb4 the elitist and L2P groupies.)

Here is a quick list of reasons why Malestrom Arena needs to be nerfed on console.

1. 9 trait gear needed.
2. Massive repair, food, potion cost.
3. Horribly designed catered to ranged and primarily sorcerers.
4. Having to respect to a min/max build in order to get the best chance possible.
5. Champion point heavily dependent.
6. No addons on consoles which give a big advantage.

Solution: Drop the current difficulty of veteran Malestrom Arena and there should be three difficulties added into the game to keep the PC players (with there unfair advantages) happy. Normal, Veteran, Hardcore. The vMA and hMA would both have a % chance at dropping the master weapons. But with hardcore Maelstrom Arena having the higher percent chance.

Feel free to add to the list below with your own frustrations about the veteran Maelstrom Arena. And thanks for your time.

I will not act like your point is entirely moot. The arena could stand to perhaps have fewer enemies than it currently does, and the bosses could stand to have their health bar taken out of the million point mark, but not too much less. The way things are right now, requires one to don all hats- being a tank, self-healer, and of course DPS. The truth is many players have never considered being that well-rounded, because, well many approach the game from a cookie-cutter mentality. The mentality where a player can only be one or the other- never a hybrid since most players believe hybrids don't work. This is the reason for many of the players failing to beat this challenge.

The question is... exactly how easy do you want the content to be?

I can do the content on veteran mode and I'm on console (PS4). I now know what my weakness is and I'm fixing it so that I can complete the arena once I reach V16. Mind you I'm a melee dps.

If you expect to be rewarded well for your efforts, then make sure you really have to put forth some effort. I don't want some supposedly "fair" adjustment made that's going to have near everybody baring the title of "The Maelstrom Champion", otherwise then it wouldn't be worth getting. The content is intended to separate the "Men from the boys". So then, anybody that can't do it- guess what category they end up in?

Ethromelb14_ESO · December 2015

Zenimax,

Please leave the veteran arena the way it is. If you have to make any changes... then just add a third in between mode for the complainers having difficulty, but wanting to still be counted among the best.

ch.ris317b14_ESO · December 2015

Welp...

Now, I have no character beyond normal level 25 lol... but I discovered that I could put heavy armor on, max magicka for character stats.... and use the resto staff HoT, and sustain both magicka and health better.

Got me thinking combining a Stamina/health passive race with heavy armor, max points into magicka, resto staff and nightblade just might be ridiculous faceroll.

Alcast · December 2015

nurf everything, nurf it hard
also, nurf well-fitted, too stronk

Thelon · December 2015

Ethromelb14_ESO wrote: »

Zenimax,

While you're at it... Can you'll make another new title distinguishing between those that have done arena on normal and those that have completed it on veteran?

@Ethromelb14_ESO

Its already there.

Normal - Maelstrom Arena Champion
Veteran - Stormproof
No Death Veteran - The Flawless Conquerer