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The "Crown Store" is currently a horrible business practice and I refuse to support it as is.
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ViscousSummer88✭✭✭RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »Tannakaobi wrote: »While we are at it, how about a bit of life in the vanity pets. My Dog does not do anything. Why no random emotes like licking it's butt, or wagging it's tail? Rip of galore!
You can teach its ass to do that stuff. I can't teach my virtual $8 dollar cat to do jack. All it would do is remind of how I let Zenimax's devs screw me each time I play the game.
It's a cosmetic, there is absolutely no reason for you to buy it if you don't agree with the price. It's really that simple.Steam Profile | Discord: Oliver#0001 | EU Megaserver: @ViscousSummer880 -
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That's it. That's all a $25 premium avatar on Plug does. This is a company that deserves to crash, because they never figured out where the money would come from before building a freemium website. Unsustainable.
ESO has a retail box with optional add-on purchases. You're never obligated to make a single purchase in the game. But compared to a lot of amateur productions, at least you get something good for your money that won't get boring after two songs.signing off0 -
wraith808✭✭✭✭RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »So if they charged $1000 dollars for a virtual lizard, you'd call that reasonable?
If noone buys it means it's not priced reasonably.
If at least one person buys it it means it's worth it to that person.
If a million people buy it then it means it's worth it to all those people.
Point is, YOU don't get to decide if a price is reasonable or not.
If it's not reasonable to you, DON'T BUY it. It will not hurt you to NOT BUY something, will it ? Especially since it's about a video game, and not anything important like food, shelter, education or medical care.
I say again, most of the people who pay these con artists are just giving in to their desire to have the item. No in their right mind thinks eight dollars is an appropriate price for a big ass rat.
Actually it is because how good and how educated the developer is that created it. In fact the coder is being devalued here in my opinion because he is worth a whole lot more than $8.
I know it isn't my business but what do you do and how much do you get paid to do it? Just would like to compare you with the developers that code and make this game and see if you are really worth what you do!
I'm in school for Coding myself. And again, what in the world are you talking about? Those guys have set salaries, they're not getting paid directly from these DLCs. They get the same pay no matter what unless they're fired. Reducing these ridiculous prices would not force them to layoffs.
That is not necessarily true. Especially not in the gaming industry. That's why f2p sucks so hard... because of the incentives built into salaries based on the ROI of the features they build. That's actually a thing.Quasim ibn-Muhammad - VR 12 Redguard Dragon Knight
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wraith808✭✭✭✭RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »
I'm typing this on an iPhone 6. I'm able to do more with an iPhone 6 than I'm able to do with any cheaper smartphone out there. I can't do more with an $8 costume than I can with a $2 costume. And they shouldn't be selling in-game motifs to begin with if that's something they're worried about. Sell crown store only motifs.
You can find several smartphones that outperform the iPhone for less money. Easy. Trust me, I have a dozen smartphones, including an iPhone 6.
But an iPhone is more than some phone device. It's an accessory that helps building up your identity. At least, that's what most people pretend.
The same is working for $8 costumes vs $2 costumes.
Apparently enough people feel that an $8 costume is worth the price and buy it. They don't play better, they don't have any kind of bonuses but they like to work on their in-game identity and are willing to pay mucha money for it.
Get over it. Like others said: vote with your wallet.
That's just what they want you to think. I've had several low end galaxies, straight talk "supreme" smart phones, LGs, Insignia, all that crap. My eyes were opened to the truth when I bought the iPhone 5. They all suck compared to it.
I want appropriately priced DLC or I'm quitting. Simple as that. I won't give long term support to rip off artists.
Didn't you already quit because they wouldn't give your low level character a class change and you weren't prepared to re-roll or create an alt?
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HungryHobo✭✭✭Wouldn't we be paying subscriptions anyways? Would you rather pay $15.00 per month for no update for 10+ months? This way, its a semi-"optional" choice to purchase the DLC to play. Or you could currently Sub, get small passive bonuses, and your money's worth of crowns each month... use that for DLC and unsubscribe whenever, but still play if you choose.0 -
OneWhomWaits✭✭✭This game is cheap compared to some "FTP" games. I'll take these prices every day. I also get better value in this game. At least my horse is available to all 8 toons etc.1 -
NobleNerd✭✭✭✭Again if you don't approve of the prices, no one is forcing you to buy these cosmetics on the store. I mean c'mon, don't tell me you haven't encountered anything in real life that you think if overprice. It is part of business. If they want to 'overcharge' for some cosmetics items in the crown store, they can. YOU, being the consumer, have to make decisions whether you take out your wallet or not.
No where in the original post does he/she ever say he felt like he had to pay for anything in the Crown Store (accept now the DLCs). His point and concern is that they are over priced and I absolutely agree with him/her!
There is very little in the store at the price they are charging that compels me to break out my wallet to buy. If the prices were at least 10-15% cheaper I may buy a few items OR if they actually ran sales like most of the other MMOs with stores. Not sure what ZOS is thinking when it comes to the Crown store.0 -
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✭✭✭ViscousSummer88 wrote: »
From a huge MMO, not really expensive compared to these right?
This has been my first MMO and I must admit that it's been a real eye opener. I have always played games where it's not uncommon for people to complain about the likes of Capcom, EA etc charging around £2-£4 for mic transactions or people feeling short changed because devs have stuck a £12 price tag on some absolutely garbage short story dlc. Here, people will literally pay through the nose for anything. In fact, people come on here (assuming it happens on other MMO dev sites too) asking devs to charge them for this, that and another before the devs minds have been made either way.
If anything, people are so desperate to throw their cash at skins and the like that I actually think ZOS are short changing themselves only charging £15 for a single skin. If they can charge the willing around here 5000 crowns for a motif, then they would snare the same suckers charging between 6000-7000 crowns for a horse skin.
It's actually hilarious watching people lap this stuff up. I fully understand it takes money to keep servers running and whatnot, but as RED said before The Witcher 3's release, reskins cost next to nothing to make, so a very large part of that 5000 crown motif is pure profit going into Beth's and their parent company pockets.
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✭Prof_Bawbag wrote: »ViscousSummer88 wrote: »
From a huge MMO, not really expensive compared to these right?
It's actually hilarious watching people lap this stuff up. I fully understand it takes money to keep servers running and whatnot, but as RED said before The Witcher 3's release, reskins cost next to nothing to make, so a very large part of that 5000 crown motif is pure profit going into Beth's and their parent company pockets.
It's not pure profit.
Since they are not charging for time on the server, it also has to go to maintenance of their infrastructure and salaries across the board. Reskinning is not hard, no, but you're not paying for access to the game itself, so this takes its place.
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✭✭✭✭✭I made a thread suggesting the Crown Store costume bundles be split up while the Crown Store was still on the PTS:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/150857/please-split-up-costume-bundles-in-the-crown-store
I completely agree that the bundle idea is beyond comprehension. But what do we know? We're only the people playing and paying.What ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
That's right... Horse.
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Selique✭✭✭✭MudcrabsRus wrote: »MudcrabsRus wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »Honestly, what cheapskates. You have to pay to play the the game, yet the overcharge for their extras as if it's free to play. Have they lost their damn minds? First you overcharge for the crowns okay, that's one strike. Second, you can only buy them in bundles. Why is that a thing? Same goes for the costume bundles, why can't I just buy the individual items I want? There are a few good ones I like, but I'm not going buy a costume pack with two ugly outfits and one good one. Then 750 crowns costs $8.00, they don't even give you the full 800 crowns. And what can I do with that? Oh I can buy a virtual cat, I'm paying $8 for a virtual ass cat. Then the largest crown package costs half the price of the game, what sense does that make? Where the hell do they get these figures for value? All this crap should be between 1.99-4.99 like any normal cosmetic DLC. This is utterly and absolutely ridiculous. Get rid of the bundles and stop overcharging like this was free to play, it wasn't. You should've thought about that before you had GameStop stock their shelves with a $60 price tag.
You don't need to pay to play the game? No subscription required, and if your talking about plsystation plus, you would have got that anyway for other games.... I do agree with the crowns being overpriced, and also their fly tactics with the DLC " hey it's only 2,500 crowns but wait, you got to pay for the 3,000 pack if you don't have your enitial 500 crowns from launch"
You have to buy the disk or Down load.
Stating the obvious here, I didn't think that was worth mentioning, you know, because you do need to pay for games.
Ever heard of Free to play games. They are free to download and play, but either offer a subscription or micro transactions. Thus the meaning of the term FREE TO PLAY. So yea, I'm going to make a statement about it. Deal with it.
ESO is not Free to Play, its Buy to Play, they even advertise it that way.
In MMOs, there is a difference in F2P and B2P.
ESO is Buy to Play... Not Free to Play.Falls-With-Grace ~ Shadowscale (Argonian Night Blade)
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✭I'll just add Zos could have made a lot more money off me w/ smaller micro transactions. Also I probably would have broke down and bought a few of the items that are no longer in the crown store. Their loss I guess.0 -
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✭✭✭If there were no Micro Transactions then there wouldn't be enough income to support the Servers and play the Developers on the long haul. Please learn how the world works before commenting on it.House Baratheon: 'Ours Is The Fury'0 -
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I only have PS+ for ESO....if I didn't need it for that, I wouldn't have it.MudcrabsRus wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »Honestly, what cheapskates. You have to pay to play the the game, yet the overcharge for their extras as if it's free to play. Have they lost their damn minds? First you overcharge for the crowns okay, that's one strike. Second, you can only buy them in bundles. Why is that a thing? Same goes for the costume bundles, why can't I just buy the individual items I want? There are a few good ones I like, but I'm not going buy a costume pack with two ugly outfits and one good one. Then 750 crowns costs $8.00, they don't even give you the full 800 crowns. And what can I do with that? Oh I can buy a virtual cat, I'm paying $8 for a virtual ass cat. Then the largest crown package costs half the price of the game, what sense does that make? Where the hell do they get these figures for value? All this crap should be between 1.99-4.99 like any normal cosmetic DLC. This is utterly and absolutely ridiculous. Get rid of the bundles and stop overcharging like this was free to play, it wasn't. You should've thought about that before you had GameStop stock their shelves with a $60 price tag.
You don't need to pay to play the game? No subscription required, and if your talking about plsystation plus, you would have got that anyway for other games.... I do agree with the crowns being overpriced, and also their fly tactics with the DLC " hey it's only 2,500 crowns but wait, you got to pay for the 3,000 pack if you don't have your enitial 500 crowns from launch"
The downside is that because I have to pay for PS+, I'm not going to be subscribing. I'll happily pay for ESO plus or PS+...but not both.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭IMO it's fairly simple - if you don't think it's worth the money don't buy it. If it's something you would buy if it was cheaper use /feedback to let them know.
It doesn't have to be an all or nothing deal either. You can buy things you want and feel are worth the money and avoid the ones that are overpriced or pointless.
And if you don't like the crown store at all you can play the entire game without touching it.PC EU player | She/her/hers | PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
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✭✭RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »MudcrabsRus wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »Honestly, what cheapskates. You have to pay to play the the game, yet the overcharge for their extras as if it's free to play. Have they lost their damn minds? First you overcharge for the crowns okay, that's one strike. Second, you can only buy them in bundles. Why is that a thing? Same goes for the costume bundles, why can't I just buy the individual items I want? There are a few good ones I like, but I'm not going buy a costume pack with two ugly outfits and one good one. Then 750 crowns costs $8.00, they don't even give you the full 800 crowns. And what can I do with that? Oh I can buy a virtual cat, I'm paying $8 for a virtual ass cat. Then the largest crown package costs half the price of the game, what sense does that make? Where the hell do they get these figures for value? All this crap should be between 1.99-4.99 like any normal cosmetic DLC. This is utterly and absolutely ridiculous. Get rid of the bundles and stop overcharging like this was free to play, it wasn't. You should've thought about that before you had GameStop stock their shelves with a $60 price tag.
You don't need to pay to play the game? No subscription required, and if your talking about plsystation plus, you would have got that anyway for other games.... I do agree with the crowns being overpriced, and also their fly tactics with the DLC " hey it's only 2,500 crowns but wait, you got to pay for the 3,000 pack if you don't have your enitial 500 crowns from launch"
I had to pay to get it so I had to pay to play it. We didn't sign up and get free copies in the mail.
Would you have bought the game with the old payment model? Back when monthly subscriptions were compulsory. Cheaper option, providing players can afford to do so, is to pay the monthy sub, let the crown build up, then buy stuff you might want/need.Edited by phairdon on September 17, 2015 9:13PMYour immersion is breaking my entitlement. Buff Sorc's. Darkshroud the cremator Death by furRubeus BlackFluffy knight BladesThe Fat PantherPsijic Fungal SausageFlesheater the VileCaspian Rafferty FernsbyArchfiend Warlock PiersThe Black BishopEvil Wizard Lizard (EU)Neberra Vestige Fajeon (EU)Salanis Deathstick (EU)Blood Mage Alchemist (EU)0 -
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✭✭✭Prof_Bawbag wrote: »ViscousSummer88 wrote: »
From a huge MMO, not really expensive compared to these right?
It's actually hilarious watching people lap this stuff up. I fully understand it takes money to keep servers running and whatnot, but as RED said before The Witcher 3's release, reskins cost next to nothing to make, so a very large part of that 5000 crown motif is pure profit going into Beth's and their parent company pockets.
It's not pure profit.
Since they are not charging for time on the server, it also has to go to maintenance of their infrastructure and salaries across the board. Reskinning is not hard, no, but you're not paying for access to the game itself, so this takes its place.
People are so desperate to claim they are being ripped off.
Poor ZoS. They're not the only devs running game servers that require maintenance. There are Non MMO's that run their own servers, yet don't charge £25 for some reskin. Sometimes you really do have to wonder if some of the people who are quick to put others down and defend the practice are attached to the companies themselves such is their staunch defence of the practice. Just like myself with my "massive profit" comment, you have no idea just how much profit they're actually making from a £25 skin. I know the servers need money to run. After all, I said that much myself. Do I think they need to charge 5000 crowns for a motif, purely to keep the servers running and so the devs can feed their poor starving children, no they don't. Gaming publishers being what they are, most of that will be profit. Ubi, EA, Activision and so on make massive profits from dlc, so why do you think both Beth and Zeni are any different? These large publishers aren't shy at pulling games that aren't bringing in large profits.
I fully appreciate arguing this out on a dev site, where most people love the game more than most is akin to pissing in the wind. I don't expect many people to see the forest for the trees.Edited by Prof_Bawbag on September 17, 2015 9:15PM0 -
If there were no Micro Transactions then there wouldn't be enough income to support the Servers and play the Developers on the long haul. Please learn how the world works before commenting on it.
Not once in this entire topic did I say micro transactions shouldn't exist. Please learn to read before replying to my thread.Rinnegan Dovahkiin: Daedric Prince of Balance1 -
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✭✭Prof_Bawbag wrote: »Prof_Bawbag wrote: »ViscousSummer88 wrote: »
From a huge MMO, not really expensive compared to these right?
It's actually hilarious watching people lap this stuff up. I fully understand it takes money to keep servers running and whatnot, but as RED said before The Witcher 3's release, reskins cost next to nothing to make, so a very large part of that 5000 crown motif is pure profit going into Beth's and their parent company pockets.
It's not pure profit.
Since they are not charging for time on the server, it also has to go to maintenance of their infrastructure and salaries across the board. Reskinning is not hard, no, but you're not paying for access to the game itself, so this takes its place.
People are so desperate to claim they are being ripped off.
Poor ZoS. They're not the only devs running game servers that require maintenance. There are Non MMO's that run their own servers, yet don't charge £25 some reskin. Sometimes you really do have to wonder if some of the people who are quick to put others down and defend the practice are attached to the companies themselves such is their staunch defence of the practice. Just like myself with my "massive profit" comment, you have no idea just how much profit they're actually making from a £25 skin. I know the servers need money to run. After all, I said that much myself. Do I think they need to charge 5000 crowns purely to keep the servers running and so the devs can feed their poor starving children, no they don't. Gaming publishers being what they are, most of that will be profit. Ubi, EA, Activision and so on make massive profits from dlc, so why do you think both Beth and Zeni are any different? These large publishers aren't shy at pulling games that aren't bringing in large profits.
I'm not really sure what point you were trying to make here. ZoS is a company making money like all the other devolopers? A company will pull a product that is not profitable? If that's what you were trying to say, congrats, you're correct. Frankly, you don't know how much they need to charge to keep everything up and running, because you're not currently working for ESO's development team. Everyone who disagrees with your opinions which are not based in fact or prior knowledge is not working for the company. Grow up. I would venture to guess these non-mmo's running their own server you speak of, don't have near the costs ESO accrues. ESO's cash shop model is similar in pricing or better than its piers in the field. Using this info, why should we single them out as crooks and thieves. You're entitled to your opinion, but I don't share it since it's based on emotion and personal ideals toward cash shops, and not solid facts.1 -
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✭✭✭Callous2208 wrote: »Prof_Bawbag wrote: »Prof_Bawbag wrote: »ViscousSummer88 wrote: »
From a huge MMO, not really expensive compared to these right?
It's actually hilarious watching people lap this stuff up. I fully understand it takes money to keep servers running and whatnot, but as RED said before The Witcher 3's release, reskins cost next to nothing to make, so a very large part of that 5000 crown motif is pure profit going into Beth's and their parent company pockets.
It's not pure profit.
Since they are not charging for time on the server, it also has to go to maintenance of their infrastructure and salaries across the board. Reskinning is not hard, no, but you're not paying for access to the game itself, so this takes its place.
People are so desperate to claim they are being ripped off.
Poor ZoS. They're not the only devs running game servers that require maintenance. There are Non MMO's that run their own servers, yet don't charge £25 some reskin. Sometimes you really do have to wonder if some of the people who are quick to put others down and defend the practice are attached to the companies themselves such is their staunch defence of the practice. Just like myself with my "massive profit" comment, you have no idea just how much profit they're actually making from a £25 skin. I know the servers need money to run. After all, I said that much myself. Do I think they need to charge 5000 crowns purely to keep the servers running and so the devs can feed their poor starving children, no they don't. Gaming publishers being what they are, most of that will be profit. Ubi, EA, Activision and so on make massive profits from dlc, so why do you think both Beth and Zeni are any different? These large publishers aren't shy at pulling games that aren't bringing in large profits.
I'm not really sure what point you were trying to make here. ZoS is a company making money like all the other devolopers? A company will pull a product that is not profitable? If that's what you were trying to say, congrats, you're correct. Frankly, you don't know how much they need to charge to keep everything up and running, because you're not currently working for ESO's development team. Everyone who disagrees with your opinions which are not based in fact or prior knowledge is not working for the company. Grow up. I would venture to guess these non-mmo's running their own server you speak of, don't have near the costs ESO accrues. ESO's cash shop model is similar in pricing or better than its piers in the field. Using this info, why should we single them out as crooks and thieves. You're entitled to your opinion, but I don't share it since it's based on emotion and personal ideals toward cash shops, and not solid facts.
Where did I say everyone who disagrees with my opinion works for the company? Please feel free to point that out because I never once said that and you're now twisting what I'm saying whilst patting yourself on the back. Jeez, if you're gonna rubbish my arguement by all means do so, but on stuff I actually wrote. Not on what you think I should have said. If I thought ALL people, I would have clearly stated ALL people.
Stopped reading after that because, well, you've obviously not read what you're responding to.
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✭✭Prof_Bawbag wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »Prof_Bawbag wrote: »Prof_Bawbag wrote: »ViscousSummer88 wrote: »
From a huge MMO, not really expensive compared to these right?
It's actually hilarious watching people lap this stuff up. I fully understand it takes money to keep servers running and whatnot, but as RED said before The Witcher 3's release, reskins cost next to nothing to make, so a very large part of that 5000 crown motif is pure profit going into Beth's and their parent company pockets.
It's not pure profit.
Since they are not charging for time on the server, it also has to go to maintenance of their infrastructure and salaries across the board. Reskinning is not hard, no, but you're not paying for access to the game itself, so this takes its place.
People are so desperate to claim they are being ripped off.
Poor ZoS. They're not the only devs running game servers that require maintenance. There are Non MMO's that run their own servers, yet don't charge £25 some reskin. Sometimes you really do have to wonder if some of the people who are quick to put others down and defend the practice are attached to the companies themselves such is their staunch defence of the practice. Just like myself with my "massive profit" comment, you have no idea just how much profit they're actually making from a £25 skin. I know the servers need money to run. After all, I said that much myself. Do I think they need to charge 5000 crowns purely to keep the servers running and so the devs can feed their poor starving children, no they don't. Gaming publishers being what they are, most of that will be profit. Ubi, EA, Activision and so on make massive profits from dlc, so why do you think both Beth and Zeni are any different? These large publishers aren't shy at pulling games that aren't bringing in large profits.
I'm not really sure what point you were trying to make here. ZoS is a company making money like all the other devolopers? A company will pull a product that is not profitable? If that's what you were trying to say, congrats, you're correct. Frankly, you don't know how much they need to charge to keep everything up and running, because you're not currently working for ESO's development team. Everyone who disagrees with your opinions which are not based in fact or prior knowledge is not working for the company. Grow up. I would venture to guess these non-mmo's running their own server you speak of, don't have near the costs ESO accrues. ESO's cash shop model is similar in pricing or better than its piers in the field. Using this info, why should we single them out as crooks and thieves. You're entitled to your opinion, but I don't share it since it's based on emotion and personal ideals toward cash shops, and not solid facts.
Where did I say everyone who disagrees with my opinion works for the company? Please feel free to point that out because I never once said that and you're now twisting what I'm saying whilst patting yourself on the back. Jeez, if you're gonna rubbish my arguement by all means do so, but on stuff I actually wrote. Not on what you think I should have said. If I thought ALL people, I would have clearly stated ALL people.
Stopped reading after that because, well, you've obviously not read what you're responding to.
I didn't twist your words. I read them and responded accordingly. Don't back out of your ludicrous statements now just because I quoted them and you can see how rediculous they sound.1 -
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✭✭✭Callous2208 wrote: »Prof_Bawbag wrote: »Callous2208 wrote: »Prof_Bawbag wrote: »Prof_Bawbag wrote: »ViscousSummer88 wrote: »
From a huge MMO, not really expensive compared to these right?
It's actually hilarious watching people lap this stuff up. I fully understand it takes money to keep servers running and whatnot, but as RED said before The Witcher 3's release, reskins cost next to nothing to make, so a very large part of that 5000 crown motif is pure profit going into Beth's and their parent company pockets.
It's not pure profit.
Since they are not charging for time on the server, it also has to go to maintenance of their infrastructure and salaries across the board. Reskinning is not hard, no, but you're not paying for access to the game itself, so this takes its place.
People are so desperate to claim they are being ripped off.
Poor ZoS. They're not the only devs running game servers that require maintenance. There are Non MMO's that run their own servers, yet don't charge £25 some reskin. Sometimes you really do have to wonder if some of the people who are quick to put others down and defend the practice are attached to the companies themselves such is their staunch defence of the practice. Just like myself with my "massive profit" comment, you have no idea just how much profit they're actually making from a £25 skin. I know the servers need money to run. After all, I said that much myself. Do I think they need to charge 5000 crowns purely to keep the servers running and so the devs can feed their poor starving children, no they don't. Gaming publishers being what they are, most of that will be profit. Ubi, EA, Activision and so on make massive profits from dlc, so why do you think both Beth and Zeni are any different? These large publishers aren't shy at pulling games that aren't bringing in large profits.
I'm not really sure what point you were trying to make here. ZoS is a company making money like all the other devolopers? A company will pull a product that is not profitable? If that's what you were trying to say, congrats, you're correct. Frankly, you don't know how much they need to charge to keep everything up and running, because you're not currently working for ESO's development team. Everyone who disagrees with your opinions which are not based in fact or prior knowledge is not working for the company. Grow up. I would venture to guess these non-mmo's running their own server you speak of, don't have near the costs ESO accrues. ESO's cash shop model is similar in pricing or better than its piers in the field. Using this info, why should we single them out as crooks and thieves. You're entitled to your opinion, but I don't share it since it's based on emotion and personal ideals toward cash shops, and not solid facts.
Where did I say everyone who disagrees with my opinion works for the company? Please feel free to point that out because I never once said that and you're now twisting what I'm saying whilst patting yourself on the back. Jeez, if you're gonna rubbish my arguement by all means do so, but on stuff I actually wrote. Not on what you think I should have said. If I thought ALL people, I would have clearly stated ALL people.
Stopped reading after that because, well, you've obviously not read what you're responding to.
I didn't twist your words. I read them and responded accordingly. Don't back out of your ludicrous statements now just because I quoted them and you can see how rediculous they sound.
Not going to waste any more time on you because I really can't be bothered with people who make *** up as to make their own point seem better than it actually is. You should maybe hone your comprehension skills if you seriously think you didn't twist my words. And you have the neck to wonder why I'm brushing you off as a joke.
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MercyKilling✭✭✭✭✭I'm also in the "not buying anything" frame of mind, but for far different reasons. I don't like the direction the game has taken, so I'm showing my displeasure by not spending any of my hard earned cash on it. Not until at least one of the changes in my signature is made to the game.I am not spending a single penny on the game until changes are made to the game that I want to see.
1) Remove having to be in a guild to sell items to other players at a kiosk.
2) Cosmetic modding for armor and clothing.
3) Difficulty slider.
4) Fully customizable player housing that isn't tied to anything in the game other than having the correct resources and enough gold to build. Don't tie it to PvP, guild membership, or anything at all. Oh, make it instanced so as not to take up world map space, too. Zeni screwed this one up already.
Any /one/ of these things implemented would get me spending again, maybe even subbing.0 -
Slonekb05✭✭✭Preach! Crown store is a joke, They need to price stuff low to fall into the "impulse buy". Why do crappy iphone games do so well and make a lot of money? Because no one thinks twice about $1-5 .
Common sense price(Impulse Buy): New mount for $1-5 YES PLEASE
Current Prices(Over thinking/no justification): Ok.. DLC pack 2500 crowns..little high but i get it. (click purchase) ..Fire mount 2500 , dlc mount 2200.. Wait a mount is the same price as a DLC pack....Why would i buy this.. or anyone for that matter? No thanks im goodEdited by Slonekb05 on September 17, 2015 10:03PM0 -
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Really, the crown store are extras, if they are 8$ and you don't want to pay them, you don't need to
you can play the game as if there is no crown store, it is waaay better than when you had to pay 15$ a month to play the game as it is today now you don't thanks to the people that support the game by paying 8$ for stuff they don't need just to keep the game in business so you can keep playing.
And the game is still the same, they did not remove any features they just added optional stuff and if you don't like the price don't buy it.2 -
Flynch✭✭✭✭If there is no intent to buy from the crown store then really there isn't much discussion to be had over the cost of the items on the crown store.
If there IS intent to buy from the crown store then of course you can have a discussion over whether the items you want to buy are overpriced.. for yourself.
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This is the stupid entitled attitude I'm getting sick of hearing from gamers like you. Cheapskates? What a moronic statement.RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »Honestly, what cheapskates.
Look at the base game. I mean, look at the base game. This is what you get for $70:
-3 factions x 4 areas each = 12 playable areas. HUGE areas. Days to play each.
-1 PvP area that's so freaking huge, you could spend months in it. MONTHS!
-8 slots for characters.
-Weapons, armor, buffs all in the game. Sure, they're leveled, but what game isn't? You don't have to buy a thing to get them, unlike other games. You don't have to grind for them. After you get them, you don't have to grind to improve them.
-So many emotes that make the game fun.
-Chat, both world and guild.
All this and more for $70 and you're bitching about prices in the Crown Store because ZoS/Bethesda:
-Didn't break each of these areas into purchasable DLC. Hey, maybe you'll feel better of paying $40 just to play a few more planets in that other game? Or I know! Pay $30 for DLC so you can play the same areas all over again.
-Doesn't require you to purchase a thing.
-Gives people, like me, options so that an $8 cat makes the character more "ours".
-DOESN'T REQUIRE YOU TO PAY A MONTHLY FEE.
If you don't like the pricing, go play Destiny. Maybe then you'll get a realistic idea of what "overcharge" really is.
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