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The "Crown Store" is currently a horrible business practice and I refuse to support it as is.
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✭Rinnegan, you're blurring the lines between "virtual items" with practicality.
These are virtual items and as much as you or me or anyone else thinks that "virtual items should cost much less because they are intangible" doesn't mean it should follow that notion. It IS virtual items, but to make impromptu pricing of these items is not your call (but only with ZOS). Again, as mentioned before, vote with your wallet.
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I've never even heard of that game. That looks like a raggedy ass, virus ridden MMO with PS0 graphics. That doesn't count. No mainstream games charge these crazy prices for their vanity DLC.RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »I agree, I would rather they have no income and the game failed meaning I could never play again.
Also their prices are pretty standard to most MMO's these days.
As you've said in the thread title though, if you don't like it then don't support it. Play the game without any of the extra items from the store.
There's nothing standard about charging $8+ for vanity items. They could charge reasonable prices and still make decent income. This, however, is overboard.
Oh how the inexperienced complain! The prices here are fairly reasonable in comparison with other B2P and F2P games that offer a store, if you want to see extortionate prices check out EVE Online, a game that offered a cosmetic monocle you don't even see in game apart from on a tiny character portrait for $70, and they're stil subscription based! or check out The Secret World where a pair of sun glasses costs $15.
As to the issue about selling in packs, that's pretty industry standard, nearly every single B2P or F2P mmo that has its own store currency has set packs of their currency, they do it that way because it's easier to keep track of and administrate.
Here are some examples off the top of my head ...
FunCom Points (AOC/TSW). Note: TSW's DLC is usually 1800 points, but you have to buy 2400!
Zen (NW/STO etc). Note: ST's DLC is usually 6000 zen, meaning you have to buy 11000 zen!
Turbine Points (LOTRO/D&DO). Note: LOTRO's zones are gated behind purchases, costing on average 900 points (some are more some are less), meaning you have to buy 1250 points!
We actually have it good here, please don't spoil it.
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✭✭✭✭✭RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »And they shouldn't be selling in-game motifs to begin with if that's something they're worried about. Sell crown store only motifs.
This proves again that you don't understand how economies work, be it ingame or IRL.
Selling Crown-store-only motifs would be truly P2W because crafters ingame can SELL stuff in that motif in the game. They would concretely convert crowns into game gold, thus getting an advantage ingame.
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✭LOL first they yelled kicked and screamed for the game to go F2P. Then when they went B2P they wanted to never pay to keep the game moving forward to fix bugs and add content. So now we come to this point in time when they scream and yell about things being too high priced. Oh and they do not like how the items for purchase are put up in the crown store.
This is sad really and makes me wonder when we ended up as a community that wants everything handed to them at their own price or non-price. What right does the companies have to make a single dime so they can do what they enjoy doing, in this case making fun games?
Maybe this all started when we stopped spearing the rod and started spoiling the children. Either way I really have a hard time looking and respecting this new generation. But as a grandfather I guess am just as guilty of creating these kids. Oh and you 30 or 40 year old's that are complaining about this, yes I look at you as children are old generation created.
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anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »
Except a Mercedes is actually worth more than those cars. A virtual dog is not worth more than Jason in MKX.
How ?
A 30K $ car will drive you to work and shopping and holidays and fulfill your transportation needs just as fine as a Mercedes. I understand a Mercedes can be faster but there are speed limits anyway so that's useless. Really, Mercedes is ripping off their customers.
Because a Mercedes costs more to make. It doesn't cost more than virtual Jason to make virtual rats.Rinnegan Dovahkiin: Daedric Prince of Balance0 -
Belidos✭✭✭✭✭RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »
I've never even heard of that game. That looks like a raggedy ass, virus ridden MMO with PS0 graphics. That doesn't count. No mainstream games charge these crazy prices for their vanity DLC.RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »I agree, I would rather they have no income and the game failed meaning I could never play again.
Also their prices are pretty standard to most MMO's these days.
As you've said in the thread title though, if you don't like it then don't support it. Play the game without any of the extra items from the store.
There's nothing standard about charging $8+ for vanity items. They could charge reasonable prices and still make decent income. This, however, is overboard.
Oh how the inexperienced complain! The prices here are fairly reasonable in comparison with other B2P and F2P games that offer a store, if you want to see extortionate prices check out EVE Online, a game that offered a cosmetic monocle you don't even see in game apart from on a tiny character portrait for $70, and they're stil subscription based! or check out The Secret World where a pair of sun glasses costs $15.
As to the issue about selling in packs, that's pretty industry standard, nearly every single B2P or F2P mmo that has its own store currency has set packs of their currency, they do it that way because it's easier to keep track of and administrate.
Here are some examples off the top of my head ...
FunCom Points (AOC/TSW). Note: TSW's DLC is usually 1800 points, but you have to buy 2400!
Zen (NW/STO etc). Note: ST's DLC is usually 6000 zen, meaning you have to buy 11000 zen!
Turbine Points (LOTRO/D&DO). Note: LOTRO's zones are gated behind purchases, costing on average 900 points (some are more some are less), meaning you have to buy 1250 points!
We actually have it good here, please don't spoil it.
Erm all 4 of the games I mentioned here in are in or have been in the TOP 10 of mainstream mmo's.
The three store images I posted were from:
Funcom: The Secret World, Anarchy Online and Age of Conan
Perfect World: Star Trek Online, Neverwinter Online, Swordsman, ArchAge
Turbine: Lord of the Rings Online, Dungeons and Dragons Online and Asherons Call 1&2
All were or are at the top of the game where mmo's are concerned.
The fourth one I mentioned was EVE online, this has broken records in the mmo industry over the years, t's one of the most well known mmo's after WoW and Runescape.
Seriously, get out and play some more mmo's and learn something about them before complaining, you're just showing yourself up.Edited by Belidos on September 17, 2015 12:36PM3 -
MisterJimothy✭✭✭I really wish they'd kept the mandatory sub. The focus on the crown store is detracting from the rest of the game. What's worse, I don't think their current strategy of selling (mostly) cosmetic items is paying the bills (partly due to how lacklustre the cosmetic items are), which means increasingly they will be forced to target the whales and I can see them moving toward modifying the gameplay, through nerfs, introducing lengthy grinds, etc., in order to sell experience pots and worse.
Honestly, this is probably the best store ever. It's a bunch of small convenience stuff that is incredibly simple and quick to make. Half of it they just reskin, probably by some intern in the backroom with MS Paint. It's perfect. It costs them practically nothing and it basically prints money that keeps the lights on.
"But what about P2W items like food, training and XP scrolls?" -- Psijic Ambrosia is really not that hard to come by and it pretty reasonably priced. Those with high amounts of CP (which is far fewer than people thought) probably did not get there because of XP scrolls, as I could venture to guess, as prevalent as gold is in this game, that they simply made/bought their own XP potions in game. Horse training is a grind, sure. It's always been. Now it's just a bit less of a grind. Boo hoo. Food? In game stuff is better and is absolutely easy to find at almost any in-game income level.0 -
briandivisionb16_ESO✭✭✭✭RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »Honestly, what cheapskates. You have to pay to play the the game, yet the overcharge for their extras as if it's free to play. Have they lost their damn minds? First you overcharge for the crowns okay, that's one strike. Second, you can only buy them in bundles. Why is that a thing? Same goes for the costume bundles, why can't I just buy the individual items I want? There are a few good ones I like, but I'm not going buy a costume pack with two ugly outfits and one good one. Then 750 crowns costs $8.00, they don't even give you the full 800 crowns. And what can I do with that? Oh I can buy a virtual cat, I'm paying $8 for a virtual ass cat. Then the largest crown package costs half the price of the game, what sense does that make? Where the hell do they get these figures for value? All this crap should be between 1.99-4.99 like any normal cosmetic DLC. This is utterly and absolutely ridiculous. Get rid of the bundles and stop overcharging like this was free to play, it wasn't. You should've thought about that before you had GameStop stock their shelves with a $60 price tag.
Use the crown store and support the game which requires ongoing staff, maintenance, updates and fixes.
Sorry to say but your measly $40 won't keep the game running for very long.
That said, there are limits - if I see a 'uber pwnall' sword on the crownstore I'm out.Edited by briandivisionb16_ESO on September 17, 2015 12:26PMIf your group is bigger than 6 members gain 75% damage reduction.
Write this on the back of your box and see how many sales you get!
You won't get any new PvP players until this archaic AoE crap is fixed.
I for one won't resub until:
1.) You fix lag.
2.) You remove AOE caps we voted against.
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✭RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »
Except a Mercedes is actually worth more than those cars. A virtual dog is not worth more than Jason in MKX.
How ?
A 30K $ car will drive you to work and shopping and holidays and fulfill your transportation needs just as fine as a Mercedes. I understand a Mercedes can be faster but there are speed limits anyway so that's useless. Really, Mercedes is ripping off their customers.
Because a Mercedes costs more to make. It doesn't cost more than virtual Jason to make virtual rats.
So now you decide what the coder that created the item is worth? I can't believe you are actually saying this!
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anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »And they shouldn't be selling in-game motifs to begin with if that's something they're worried about. Sell crown store only motifs.
This proves again that you don't understand how economies work, be it ingame or IRL.
Selling Crown-store-only motifs would be truly P2W because crafters ingame can SELL stuff in that motif in the game. They would concretely convert crowns into game gold, thus getting an advantage ingame.
Make crown store motifs bind to the player. Have the crown store motif items bind to the player on creation. Simple solution.Rinnegan Dovahkiin: Daedric Prince of Balance0 -
Cillion3117✭✭✭✭✭RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »Cillion3117 wrote: »If you don't like it, don't buy it. Problem solved.
That doesn't solve my problem because I still want it, just not at those ridiculous cheapskate prices.
I really want a beach house in Malibu. But I've come to terms with reality and accepted that I'll never be able to afford it. That's just the way life goes.1 -
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✭Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »You realize that you can play the game while completely ignoring the crown store, right?
This ^^^ Don't like the crown store don't use it, you can play the game get all the goodies you need to play the game by playing the game not the crown store. There is nothing in the store that makes my toon any better bigger or stronger.0 -
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✭RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »
I've never even heard of that game. That looks like a raggedy ass, virus ridden MMO with PS0 graphics. That doesn't count. No mainstream games charge these crazy prices for their vanity DLC.
OMG, and you're here complaining? Educate yourself. The games quoted above is generally known by everyone that plays an MMO. If you claim that you've .
, then you should be aware that we actually have it good with the pricing of these items.RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »
....played enough games to notice.
All I hear is a self-serving individual
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✭✭✭✭✭RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »
Except a Mercedes is actually worth more than those cars. A virtual dog is not worth more than Jason in MKX.
How ?
A 30K $ car will drive you to work and shopping and holidays and fulfill your transportation needs just as fine as a Mercedes. I understand a Mercedes can be faster but there are speed limits anyway so that's useless. Really, Mercedes is ripping off their customers.
Because a Mercedes costs more to make. It doesn't cost more than virtual Jason to make virtual rats.
But it supports the development of the entire game which IS costly. Yes, you know, that game you're playing...
Furthermore, you have to understand that the price of things on ANY market is NOT determined by production costs. It is determined by supply and demand ONLY. If production costs exceed market price then the item is not produced (or requires sponsoring).
In the present case obviously there are enough people who think the costumes are well worth their price so that's the price. There's no such thing as "overpriced", except in the sense of "higher than market prices".
And, by the way, you'd probably feel horrified and ripped off for good if you knew the production costs of your so precious iPhone6 !!!
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Genomic✭✭✭✭✭LOL first they yelled kicked and screamed for the game to go F2P. Then when they went B2P they wanted to never pay to keep the game moving forward to fix bugs and add content. So now we come to this point in time when they scream and yell about things being too high priced. Oh and they do not like how the items for purchase are put up in the crown store.
Is there one person playing this game? Or do you think 'they' might be a diverse group of people who want different things? Personally I was happy paying a sub, and hate B2P/F2P shops, which inevitably become an intrusive marketing exercise that is folded into the gaming experience.
(BTW, don't give me that nonsense about this generation being the most entitled. You boomers are certainly just as, if not more entitled. And your parents were the last non-entitled generation.)
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✭RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »
I'm typing this on an iPhone 6. I'm able to do more with an iPhone 6 than I'm able to do with any cheaper smartphone out there....
Your point? By saying this, you've created an opportunity to INVALIDATE your argument. I can say, Well I'm able to do the same things (or even more) with a cheap Smartphone than an Iphone 6
(which for many IS OVERPRICED).Edited by Qyrk on September 17, 2015 12:33PM2 -
Belidos✭✭✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
And, by the way, you'd probably feel horrified and ripped off for good if you knew the production costs of your so precious iPhone6 !!!
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LOL first they yelled kicked and screamed for the game to go F2P. Then when they went B2P they wanted to never pay to keep the game moving forward to fix bugs and add content. So now we come to this point in time when they scream and yell about things being too high priced. Oh and they do not like how the items for purchase are put up in the crown store.
This is sad really and makes me wonder when we ended up as a community that wants everything handed to them at their own price or non-price. What right does the companies have to make a single dime so they can do what they enjoy doing, in this case making fun games?
Maybe this all started when we stopped spearing the rod and started spoiling the children. Either way I really have a hard time looking and respecting this new generation. But as a grandfather I guess am just as guilty of creating these kids. Oh and you 30 or 40 year old's that are complaining about this, yes I look at you as children are old generation created.
What in the world are you talking about? You talk like you're 127 years old and are reminiscing over the horrors you saw in World War I. Normal people know when they're being ripped off. Most of the people supporting this BS know they're being ripped off, they just give into the hype and say "it's whatever". You probably don't even know what's going on this thread. But they don't have to charge an arm and a leg to make a "fun" game. They made plenty selling the game at full price and would not suffer from charging reasonable prices for their add onsRinnegan Dovahkiin: Daedric Prince of Balance0 -
PinoZino✭✭✭✭RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »
I'm typing this on an iPhone 6. I'm able to do more with an iPhone 6 than I'm able to do with any cheaper smartphone out there. I can't do more with an $8 costume than I can with a $2 costume. And they shouldn't be selling in-game motifs to begin with if that's something they're worried about. Sell crown store only motifs.
You can find several smartphones that outperform the iPhone for less money. Easy. Trust me, I have a dozen smartphones, including an iPhone 6.
But an iPhone is more than some phone device. It's an accessory that helps building up your identity. At least, that's what most people pretend.
The same is working for $8 costumes vs $2 costumes.
Apparently enough people feel that an $8 costume is worth the price and buy it. They don't play better, they don't have any kind of bonuses but they like to work on their in-game identity and are willing to pay mucha money for it.
Get over it. Like others said: vote with your wallet.Founder of Tradelodge, a trade guild operating on the European Megaserver for Playstation®4.
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anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
And, by the way, you'd probably feel horrified and ripped off for good if you knew the production costs of your so precious iPhone6 !!!
It costs almost exactly $11 to produce and iPhone 6
It costs around $200. I still got ripped off and didn't even realise it.. But it still isn't as bad as this. This is rigodamdiculous.Rinnegan Dovahkiin: Daedric Prince of Balance0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »And they shouldn't be selling in-game motifs to begin with if that's something they're worried about. Sell crown store only motifs.
This proves again that you don't understand how economies work, be it ingame or IRL.
Selling Crown-store-only motifs would be truly P2W because crafters ingame can SELL stuff in that motif in the game. They would concretely convert crowns into game gold, thus getting an advantage ingame.
Make crown store motifs bind to the player. Have the crown store motif items bind to the player on creation. Simple solution.
Bound-on-craft..... most silly idea I've ever heard. No crafter crafts only for himself, that defeats the point of being a crafter in an MMO. Really, you're not making your case any better...
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RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »
I'm typing this on an iPhone 6. I'm able to do more with an iPhone 6 than I'm able to do with any cheaper smartphone out there. I can't do more with an $8 costume than I can with a $2 costume. And they shouldn't be selling in-game motifs to begin with if that's something they're worried about. Sell crown store only motifs.
You can find several smartphones that outperform the iPhone for less money. Easy. Trust me, I have a dozen smartphones, including an iPhone 6.
But an iPhone is more than some phone device. It's an accessory that helps building up your identity. At least, that's what most people pretend.
The same is working for $8 costumes vs $2 costumes.
Apparently enough people feel that an $8 costume is worth the price and buy it. They don't play better, they don't have any kind of bonuses but they like to work on their in-game identity and are willing to pay mucha money for it.
Get over it. Like others said: vote with your wallet.
That's just what they want you to think. I've had several low end galaxies, straight talk "supreme" smart phones, LGs, Insignia, all that crap. My eyes were opened to the truth when I bought the iPhone 5. They all suck compared to it.
I want appropriately priced DLC or I'm quitting. Simple as that. I won't give long term support to rip off artists.Rinnegan Dovahkiin: Daedric Prince of Balance0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
And, by the way, you'd probably feel horrified and ripped off for good if you knew the production costs of your so precious iPhone6 !!!
It costs almost exactly $11 to produce and iPhone 6
It costs around $200. I still got ripped off and didn't even realise it.. But it still isn't as bad as this. This is rigodamdiculous.
How is one worse than the other ?
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✭✭I don't buy anything in the Crown Store. Problem solved.RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »Oh I can buy a virtual cat, I'm paying $8 for a virtual ass cat.
Where in the Crown Store did you find a virtual "Ass Cat"? That, I might pay for!
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✭RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »That's just what they want you to think. I've had several low end galaxies, straight talk "supreme" smart phones, LGs, Insignia, all that crap. My eyes were opened to the truth when I bought the iPhone 5. They all suck compared to it.
I want appropriately priced DLC or I'm quitting. Simple as that. I won't give long term support to rip off artists.
That's just what they want you to think. I've had several iphones (4, 4s, 5, 6, 6s), all that crap. My eyes were opened to the truth when I bought the HTC. The iphones all suck compared to it.
Oh and good bye, don't let the door hit you. Prices are not budging, so either enjoy the game or don't. smh.2 -
Belidos✭✭✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »And they shouldn't be selling in-game motifs to begin with if that's something they're worried about. Sell crown store only motifs.
This proves again that you don't understand how economies work, be it ingame or IRL.
Selling Crown-store-only motifs would be truly P2W because crafters ingame can SELL stuff in that motif in the game. They would concretely convert crowns into game gold, thus getting an advantage ingame.
Make crown store motifs bind to the player. Have the crown store motif items bind to the player on creation. Simple solution.
Bound-on-craft..... most silly idea I've ever heard. No crafter crafts only for himself, that defeats the point of being a crafter in an MMO. Really, you're not making your case any better...
What case? That case went out the window the moment he/she admitted to never hearing of half a dozen of the best known games in the mmo industry.Edited by Belidos on September 17, 2015 12:48PM2 -
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✭RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »LOL first they yelled kicked and screamed for the game to go F2P. Then when they went B2P they wanted to never pay to keep the game moving forward to fix bugs and add content. So now we come to this point in time when they scream and yell about things being too high priced. Oh and they do not like how the items for purchase are put up in the crown store.
This is sad really and makes me wonder when we ended up as a community that wants everything handed to them at their own price or non-price. What right does the companies have to make a single dime so they can do what they enjoy doing, in this case making fun games?
Maybe this all started when we stopped spearing the rod and started spoiling the children. Either way I really have a hard time looking and respecting this new generation. But as a grandfather I guess am just as guilty of creating these kids. Oh and you 30 or 40 year old's that are complaining about this, yes I look at you as children are old generation created.
What in the world are you talking about? You talk like you're 127 years old and are reminiscing over the horrors you saw in World War I. Normal people know when they're being ripped off. Most of the people supporting this BS know they're being ripped off, they just give into the hype and say "it's whatever". You probably don't even know what's going on this thread. But they don't have to charge an arm and a leg to make a "fun" game. They made plenty selling the game at full price and would not suffer from charging reasonable prices for their add ons
Oh I know exactly what am talking about and know what is going on in this thread. Personally I pay the sub in all MMO's I play. I don't expect anything for free and nothing in this game is over priced because the gaming company gets to set the price for everything in their game and if you do not want to pay the sub every month then you get to pay the store if you want to keep playing it. It is people like you that expect to be able to pay what you want to play online games. You and others like you started this F2P/B2P in game stores and now you cry over it because you do not like paying for anything.
You should stick with single player games that way you will get everything you want for one price.
Oh nothing in the crown store is overpriced because like I said the company gets to set the prices in their game.“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
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anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »And they shouldn't be selling in-game motifs to begin with if that's something they're worried about. Sell crown store only motifs.
This proves again that you don't understand how economies work, be it ingame or IRL.
Selling Crown-store-only motifs would be truly P2W because crafters ingame can SELL stuff in that motif in the game. They would concretely convert crowns into game gold, thus getting an advantage ingame.
Make crown store motifs bind to the player. Have the crown store motif items bind to the player on creation. Simple solution.
Bound-on-craft..... most silly idea I've ever heard. No crafter crafts only for himself, that defeats the point of being a crafter in an MMO. Really, you're not making your case any better...
Oh what, so you can get rich quick? "No crafter crafts for himself", trying to sound noble. There are plenty of other motifs that you can craft for others with and charge ridiculous prices for. The crown store motifs should be exclusive to the buyer.
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